tv [untitled] July 12, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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buchan the lower show will get the real headlines with none of the mercy from a lot of other washington d.c. now and i will get details on julia saunders latest appeal from extradition to sweden where the chances are that he'll be getting sent here to the u.s. also take a look at the latest developments in the pack relations ahmed wali karzai being assassinated the u.s. cutting some aid from pakistan we're going to ask what all of that means for now the longest war and a new piece of legislation in congress sounds like it's going to save your kids
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from child pornographers but is it really just a mask for a massive move to force i as big as the record your data and take away your privacy julian sanchez is going to join us on that what are you know all of that and more for you tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to make. now if you haven't noticed yet it's summer it's made july depending on where you live you probably have at least another two months of warm weather to enjoy unless of course you live in california my former home and you get to enjoy perfect weather all year long and yeah i'm a little bit about not no longer getting to enjoy that weather but the point here is that it's summer i want you know what happens during the summer. it gets hot temperatures rise you should wear shorts drink water wear your sunscreen check your local news the weather channel weather dot com if you really care to get an exact
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date but this summer the national news the anger's of news hours have decided to start reporting on this really crazy bizarre thing called summer all by themselves let's begin this morning with that oppressive heat that's now being felt all across the east and with so unique about this heat wave the fact is that it's hot in july it's how hot it is how much of the country is being affected and how long it's laughing right it is brutally hot weather right now baking two thirds of the country with highs in some areas up to fifteen degrees above average but he designs blast warnings that advisories are in effect in twenty three states where the heat index expects. really people that's your breaking news for the day that during the summer it gets hot or you know what it is hotter than usual then like i said why don't you leave that to the weather channel the one that's dedicated to talking about the weather or even the weather men and women that work at your channels whose job it is to talk about the weather i know you focus on where you're supposed
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to be devoted to which is the news and here's a story that none of your worthless mainstream media networks reported today you know how for months the u.n. special special rapporteur on torture was trying to get permission from the obama administration to see bradley manning while he was being held on a go. you know they wanted to evaluate the conditions that we he was being held at make sure that didn't amount to torture make sure that his human rights were being violated by the country which claims to put human rights above all but guess what even now months later with bradley manning at fort leavenworth in kansas where his conditions are reportedly much much better the obama administration it still will not let one mendez the u.n. official see him in his conditions of a groove so drastically if you're so sure mr president that even when he was being held back at quantico that he was being treated within the pentagon's regulations then what does appear trying to hide you know even the bush administration allow detainees at guantanamo bay to be visited and they definitely do not have
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a good track record so you're going to let bush make you look bad now well today one mendez a special investigator on torture for the u.n. released a statement saying the u.s. is of violating the un's rules on access to inmates so once again we're just flagrantly violating international standards that we expect others to follow and i say done mr president the u.n. the american people are not going to give up on it forget the gravelly man exists unless of course we're talking about the mainstream media which seems a very content to let this one fly and call it a miss because hey there are much bigger things going on like the fact that it's hot outside. the wiki leaks founder julian assigns was back in a london courtroom today he's fighting extradition back to sweden where two women have accused him of sexual misconduct misconduct and the son just fighting that these charges dropped but perhaps even more importantly to stay in the u.k.
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archies lawyer and that gives us more details on why he's so worried about of chance of going back to sweden. he soon associate right. here on tuesday he was flying by his lawyers and he says he was told that he was in uganda g.'s we were all asking. how you felt about how today was going to go but he didn't answer any of us but he's had a haircut he's now wearing glasses so we look that she much older than his forty years and certainly much older than him but he did it looks like the these months of virtual house arrest that he's been on to have really taken their toll he calls been staying at the home of a friend of his out in the countryside where he's had to wear an electronic tag he's been under a curfew and he's also had to report to the police station every day to a kid to really take its toll on him this hearing that we're seeing this week is scheduled to last until wednesday but even then the rulings expected to be reserved so we might not hear what decision the judge has made for days or even weeks and
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inside even if this appeal is rejected. that he vows to take this case higher up the justice chain here in the u.k. first to the supreme court and then if he has to go on to the european court of human rights because he was last in court in february here in the u.k. where the judge ruled in favor of we didn't say said that he should be extradited to sweden saying that there was no reason to expect that our souls wouldn't receive a fair trial but even that he's now in court today to appeal that decision and he and his supporters have always suggested that the prosecution on sex charges is politically motivated and that the end goal of this is this weekend will eventually send him to the u.s. where of course the grand jury is currently investigating the work of wiki leaks. and i was artie's a laura and it so while we wait person has less appeals in british courts we should start asking what person have been if it fails if they all fail well sweden sent
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him to the u.s. and why would he be in sweden first do so and how long will the u.s. government keep trying to get a son here and we discuss this is kevin zeese co-founder of voters for peace an executive director of come home america out. if you could quickly recap for our audience you know obviously one of the primary concerns for julian assigned right now is that if he is extradited back to sweden then he will very quickly after that be sent over to the u.s. can you recount why he has some of those fears perhaps some of the past you know examples you can find in the relationship between so when any less that sets. well i think there is a legitimate fear the u.s. green jury has been searching to find a way to indict junior science now for months and they really thrilling you know it's interesting to see how much challenger have accomplished you know and i mean they recently called several people from boston who were involved in the computer
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they're all three refused to testify we haven't seen with the government's nose was going to be on and so we really first still trying to find some evidence to get us on surely that they want to do their sweetest states have a very close truly wish it we are sweden's biggest trading partner we have a very strong weapons industry. being used in libya were built by the swedish weapons industry we have a very strong banking relationship was sweetly and so all these interests combined to make this happen i was working as an. anonymous on this and they think this is about really in control of the nasdaq composite. market which is the biggest market in the world as markets all over. the world and putting a swedish bank even in the one for another seat on a bank we've seen where they think are committed number of times where steps are taking us a son in one of our family moves we're going to see an as there so step by step
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with it so there's all sorts of possibilities with a bomb line is united states wants. it don't want wiki leaks to continue we don't know we recently copied we don't want more information coming out about us we're crimes and misbehavior in the world and the scientific you're trying to stop them over here anything you know there are some people that will speculate also. former justice minister from sweden has his own personal reasons why he would want to go to the u.s. because he's afraid that some information might make out about asylum seekers that sweden handed over allegedly no question in fact the partner of the former justice news here is the lawyer for the two women who were accusing your son so it's a pretty small world and that certainly is one factor the fact that the u.s. were to take two swedish folks to egypt to be tortured they were returned to sweden not guilty of anything and actually even green large larger payments for the for the trouble you went through so there's definitely something going on here not you know i don't know i'm sure that assad has to go to sweden before he comes united states and there's a lot of talk about how the more difficult they're screwed in the u.k.
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but i think the key here is really time we this is swedish effort which by the way you know he's not accusingly but just one question which is minutes is this extradition so strange that it question like you're questioning me right now risk like we can do by telephone is not always a question somebody without international arrest warrant is it's a very strange use of arrest warrant with the key is we delay this long legal process is in the u.k. will be a long legal process is in sweden it goes out far and it gives us more time to us case you know that this is not he could be. as was even. in the u.k. as very strong as well we can certainly pushed you to send him your to they don't think there's a chance of perhaps the u.s. government if enough time passes might just let it slide by forget about julian aside you think they're going to keep doing whatever they can to eventually get us to get their hands on him. i was a lot of fear. is doing so when he leaves the canadian kid without documents they
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have a whole cache of documents was allegedly leaked by barely million very glad you mention the un report your being denied access to bradley manning still the us government hiding what it did to torture barely meaning it's obvious there's some guy so yes i think they want they want signs greatly a model that he's developed wiki leaks were you look at anonymously provide information from government from big business and have a visual easily out the source of the information being known is one they want to stop us illegally or times to hold back a national security concern is watching both c.n.n. and the other control of corporate media where they can control a democratized media and wiki leaks or it represents a democratized media and it scares the national security state united states let's say that they do get their hands on join us signs that he has brought here to the united states some of the allegations so far are some of you know the word that's being spread is that they like to try him under espionage charges but that doesn't
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really go along with anything pertaining it to waking leaks or to julian assigned himself so what do you think the worst is if they really could do better. i think they're trying to find a way to prosecute some very conspiracy some kind of. misuse of computer information you'll find you try to find some way to get in and you know it's amazing how long you struggle sentences can be so once it once they actually go into the united states they'll be put into a prison i don't think it's gone tunnel it was mentioned when i don't mean it doesn't happen to us but in your present and we held them that person pretrial not released well for bail even though he's no flight risk he can't leave united states they will still keep him in prison another trial will take a long time to develop me out of circulation was i'm with you it'll be an active all the time they'll they'll find some way to prosecute you may or may not be found guilty it's a very risky prosecution and only it's
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a very strong case so far we'll see if we come up with some surprises but so far as you know real strong case where they'll delay they'll keep him in prison for years and the process will be a long and if you found guilty he'll be gone for five years or more and so it would be real inappropriate obviously prosecution would really make a person united states joining the science case if it happens will be the john peters angle case of the twenty first century in order to find freedom of the press it will define transparency of government in the computer age my hope is we move toward democratized media so the american people know more what's going on in their name by their government and at the moment we can use force or it is copied in carbon copy and there are more organizations in the same kind of thing releasing information from big business and government lawyers and what's really going on with our money and our government but i think that even if they did end up ganguly aside at some point we're already seeing this start to work and the other other organizations that i want to call them cappy copycats that are trying to do the
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same thing as we can even with some of these hacking collectives like anonymous lol say anti-sex there are so many of them where they come together we're already seeing a lot of these leaks come out so something has happened leaving thanks so much for joining us. i saw it come tonight american residents often see stories of martial law being imposed in a foreign country now it's happening a right here in the u.s. we're going to tell you where that is when we come back as tensions between the u.s. and pakistan are getting out that washington is suspending aid money to pakistan third pascal by move for a fact already poisonous relationship between the two countries. into it only when there was a mechanism to do the work to bring justice or. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes.
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i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sleep you think you understand it and then he's in something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid. i think. one well.
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police department in the area of the fighting has finally reached the pinnacle with the city now being put under martial law tensions have been growing ever since the city council raised water and sewage rates a first for the area in over ten years add to that a reason discovery that there had been widespread corruption when it comes to mailing out city paychecks and that gives you the back story but let's give you the million or with some of the players here as i already mentioned it we've got mayor ed foster who's fighting the city council the ones that are responsible for raising rates on water and sewage and the local police who sided with the city council and then there's jennifer jones jennifer jones a civil activist who has attempted to call out the city council for their backhanded legislation and payroll and we should mention that she's been targeted by police for starting a local newspaper called the desert freedom press to document all the wrong doings over when jones took her argued before a city council meeting last week that's when everything really came to a head take note of the mayor the police chief and city council city councilman joe
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winslow began arguing over whether or not jones has a right to speak. you are out as mr centricity in cities and towns but you've got to challenge notions allow us to decide whether. a low life to be out of order or not. our in algeria before he retires as the leader. he has no i have not you can be you will be escorted out of your words no i have sworn that power is what i want to hear or your way marlene the order to start the sardar never enjoy the added value of getting four hundred everyone and this is the framework digitalis is not man he is just. plain old you are in violation of my rule of the water started the ball and they are. the three
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i have not read the bill. or even the bar rules or the the. rajkumar rules. in regard. to the law of. that city council meeting ended with jones being arrested so ultimately her voice was not heard and as if that wasn't bad enough the city council held another meeting after the you tube video leaked to the public and this time council members privately voted to oust the mare and declared a state of emergency get a state of emergency apparently council members claim that they were getting threats from the public over the way that they denied jones her first amendment rights whether these were death threats or is an outcry over a denial of this woman's rights we don't know but from there the name calling
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continued between both sides with the marriage saying of this town was under martial law and of course when questioned by a local reporter. the police chief said that law enforcement had done nothing wrong now meanwhile siders a calling is brewing battle a disgrace to the first amendment and wondering if you can present your argument before the government's and what hope is left to keep officials from becoming corrupt so while the courts cite city councils under a state of emergency all meetings are being closed to the public and they've suspended all public comment foster continues to fight for his position and against what he says is martial law i think that it's pretty fair to say that the actions of the city council the local police here are just very small it's just one small you know very important example what i like to call a police state. and it's only tuesday but it's already been quite a week in the region and for relations between pakistan and afghanistan and the u.s. and i wali karzai a half brother afghan president hamid karzai and a man who controlled much of southern afghanistan playing both on the side of the
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cia and considered to be a drug kingpin was assassinated by close associates today the obama administration announced it will be withholding a third of the aid that it gives to pakistan eight hundred million dollars worth until they see more results in pakistan's fight against the taliban but apparently that has not stopped us from launching air strikes in the country three separate missile strikes reported in pakistan in a matter of less than twelve hours and those killed at least thirty eight alleged militants now the reaction from pakistani officials has been rather mixed the defense minister saying that pakistan could pull back troops fighting near the afghan border if the aid it really is cut off all the army issued a statement saying that no problem they can do it on their own so the game here continues but where will it end here to discuss this with me is jim hansen retired special operations master sergeant and military blogger at black five dot net and thanks so much for being here tonight. i'm just wondering what you think of this
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move for starters and we're going to start with the obama administration cutting off or announcing that they're going to cut off about eight hundred billion dollars in aid is that really going to want to make pakistan start to play nice once they start missing the money or is this really going to only egg them on what i mean what do you think the odds are of us actually. i would be willing to go on the record and say likely i mean we're playing a game of chicken with everybody talks about the fact that it's al qaeda and the taliban that are reason for supporting this and it's they have nuclear weapons and we bribe them with money we play games with them and we will continue to pay them as long as they have nukes so we're not going to cut it off it's going to be game of chicken you know they be called domestic political statements we make the best of political statements and in the end we'll pay them and the money will leave the country go to dubai and you know any other examples where we really have done where we threatened the aid because somebody is flagrantly violating whatever rules we like to place upon them or what we want them to do i mean how many times has israel i'm sorry but you know dumb things in the face of the obama administration
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especially when it comes to building the settlements but never once has aid to israel been questioned especially by the administration itself so why in pakistan why i would say between the two israel's a much better friend than pakistan's ever been i mean they're pakistanis are the best friends money could rent and if they were rated on you know even the standards you put on a car rental agency we would have dropped them for another one in a long time ago so they're not really anybody we can count on but they're the only one we've got here you dance with the one and the only ones we've got you can do anything in the northwest regions where the taliban hands are. one of the things that was said by at least the pakistani military because of course they said we heard from the defense minister but he's not really not really the one with any of the power he doesn't run it so what we hear from the army are those are the statements usually that matter they said either we can do it on our own or they said we can always go to our all weather friend china which is that's a threat that we've heard quite often from them lately but when do you think that
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might actually become a realized threat when is china actually going to start stepping into that role and we have to worry about pakistan becoming closer why would the chinese want that you know i mean they're pretty great give the chinese some credit they know that it's a soup sandwich the whole region is a mess and always has been so there's near zero chance of the chinese becoming the pakistanis all weather friends and write a new kind of checks we do so what will happen is we'll make a deal behind the scenes they might be writing checks let's get this straight but they are just won't be following it up with a ready made rules are ready just for other things like they're doing behind the scenes kind of developmental things but they're not going to become the foreign gurus that we are in the people who bring the satchels of cash that the pakistani military government and intelligence agencies can use to build those why do you think is brought out also the fact that despite all of this is going on despite the threats to withhold from the funding despite the threats on the pakistani side so we're still launching airstrikes there. i'm sure the you think that is fine when
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people die. alleged bad guys we don't even know but let's talk about a private why or why are we so concerned with launching airstrikes and trying to kill the taliban why are they our supreme bad guys when constant we hear about is that we're trying to fight al qaeda worldwide and the new secretary of defense leon panetta says there's only ten or twenty guys left to take out why do we care about this taliban in pakistan. but it is getting his info that he's putting out publicly but it's not the same as the info that's going on behind the scenes there are plenty of al qaeda folks intermixed and intermingled with the taliban and the whole region the entire north. your region is a place where the terrorists train and go to work missions for us so the idea that we're killing guys they're thirty eight or however many it was great let's stack and like cordwood i think that's a wonderful thing when we're killing bad guys and i hope we don't really bad guys and we kill countless civilians when it comes to these airstrikes which is why people in muslim countries where we launch air strikes where we launch drone attacks that's why people don't like us is because we cause death they don't like
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us because they disagree with our religion and the way we run things though you can complain that the people we do have to stand over there. is not really care about how america runs its country they have no idea how america goes with the ones who are in the northwest frontier in terrorist training camps and in meetings where we verify that it's terrorist leaders coming together to play in bad things in pakistan in afghanistan and against us i think it's pretty safe to say they're bad guys and so if we're sticking them with hellfire missiles you know and last and then when they're component molecules we'll probably why do you think that out of and it's making the statements likely think he's trying to justify the obama team's cut and run phase of the fold surge you know we had the phone with the guaranteed withdrawal date and so now we have to be able to say we succeeded in order to go ahead and justify politically that it's time to leave so you see saying well this is this is about time to leave or could this also have something to do with defense cuts because they are panetta that's one of the big fear is that everybody had that usually when they thought it was going to come in is that he was going to start
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cutting the budget and if there are only ten or twenty al qaeda elected killed then why do we need these giant screens that now we can't yet know that's part that's absolutely part of its domestic budget cuts for us than just applying the fact that the mission there is over whether we won or not i want to ask you quickly if we segue every afghanistan about the nation today. how do you think that actually changes anything i mean sure this is a guy who was a big player who really controls how the afghanistan and the cia worked with who is a big drug drug kingpin but does it really change anything for us now to really point. that we have absolutely no real allies in that country there's nobody there we can trust there is no real governance when the brother of the president is i mean if you're going to hold the most corrupt person in afghanistan competition could be tough to pick a winner but a.w.k. would probably have come up top of the list so him catch a few bullets is highly shocking and doesn't change anything in the end not really it just points out the fact that we have no reliable partners and is another reason
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the obama team can rightfully say there's not much we can do there that's going to do any good so you think of that could be a good excuse to say that it's time for us to get out because if you think about it right you can call him an unreliable partner but the point is that we have to depend on these people because people like the u.k. as you call them they help our troops transport equipment they help them get say to you it was a come see their base difference now but also you know people like him are the ones that make the local population still think are going to so they make more they create more resentment which maybe creates more taliban which keeps furthering this war it's a vicious circle you know the ones along we're going to agree. to both of us i don't know right now that the money we're pouring in there is doing anything but fueling that corruption fueling the idea that the national government is nothing but tribal corruption and in the end is going to do no good so i'm getting close to the point where it's time to pull the plug finally finally welcome to the i'm going to the club i've been trying to say we should pull the plug for a while now tim thanks so much we're going to see you on happy hour to later on the
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show. well still to come tonight we have our tuesday edition of shelly's help and washington lawmakers are discussing a new bill aimed at protecting children from sport but is this really just another overreach by the government playing sanchez research fellow at the cato institute were telling me this morning. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charged welcome to the big picture of. the world we are broke. and yet though.
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