to block the person from taking place group wants the courts to declare perry's organization promotion and participation in the event to be unconstitutional because it violates the establishment clause of the first amount as the cause of the constitution that says congress shall make no law is holding from the crown from the constitution congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion and to quote the f f r f convince the perrys participation in the event by late in the constitution because it gives the impression that the american government quote prefers evangelical christian religious beliefs over other religious beliefs and non-beliefs and of course so is repairing gone too far this time and should elected officials be pushing events that clearly support one particular religious viewpoint when they're supposed to be upholding the separation of church and state your offer to take on this issue is dr carol swain conservative commentator and author of the the people a call to reclaim america's faith and promise i persuade her back thank you good to see you again. i'm

a christian i believe in separation of church and state and you then have a lot as additional day and i think the the worst thing that would have it could happen to this country is for any religion to take over the government i think some day they may come after me. why why should we be tolerating a political figure who is saying that his religion is now he's using his political platform to promote his personal religion. this country was founded on judeo christian principles it was founded as a christian nation not it is true definitely true and i did so as your sign through the new testament and all the mirror that suffered by thomas is still. on the status of he was one person why he was that he was the d.s. and i'm here most of the other phones wide open george washington i'll use the other him up until nineteen sixty two we had a reading and prayer in school and it was an atheist that got rid of that and since

the one nine hundred sixty s. that country is believed because of course there will be constant a.p.'s filed a suit and i think that the atheists have really hurt our nation the overwhelming majority of americans are christians over seventy eight percent profess to be christians even though they don't live like christians they profess to be christians so let's let people have their religion have their worldview have their perspective and live in peace but let's not have the government not having go you know if rick perry was was a mormon or if he was a buddhist or if he was hindu or something like that and he was saying hey let's all pray to rama you know for the rain i would be concerned wouldn't you not if he was in front of a politician they can say whatever they need to say but i think that his position before christian group in america where the country is overwhelmingly christian that it makes a lot of sense and i believe that one reason we have some of the conditions that you talked about at the beginning of the show is because we have ousted god from

public life because of a small minority of people those a.p.'s that created trouble in one nine hundred sixty two and the constitution does not say anything about a wall of separation between church and state that was to prevent this stablish man of the state church not to say that god had. no you asked what rick perry is doing the last abolitionist station as he established in that state here because he is calling people to under the name of jesus yesterday or today yes by the way they say those all those countries we were talking about any quality in the first segment and denmark is the least religious country in the western world and they're the most equal and they are you know by all standards the happiest they have one of the longest lifespans the great well it's not about religion carol why did you say that because because the countries of europe are not religious like we are you have to look at you most of you or most of europe is in a manner most and most of europe is not really it actually most of europe is doing pretty good thank you very much other than what the banks did to them. and i'm sorry i lived there for what america was ok. america was founded as

a judeo christian nation and we've gotten away from those principles because of atheists and how believe that part about the crime is because of the choices that we are making that are unbiblical and so are rick perry i don't know how sincere he is maybe just being a politician i don't know that pierre i do know that prayer works and i know that america needs to change course that we have fallen in the wrong and a lot of it is coming from the secular humanists and atheists they are leading us down the wrong the secular humanists and atheists accepting those who are even joel who are trying to convert us all. the only ones in america that i'm the seat and i'm sorry the atheists are under siege they will be the first to tell you about their drive in the universe of the. people here in this country it's a quick path of persecution clear and frankly any kind of nonstandard religion it's

like. an a d is the resolution this being under the seat right now how i mean if you want example all the time one example but you me one example just one example when you just gave about the attack those are our shooters yeah well a tissue like sand well look at the crosses on the highway that we've always had look at every time that they're trying to remove any references to god any cross if your grandmother crosses her actions yeah states are trying to remove those because people slow down to look at them and causes more current yes show i know some people turn them into shrines and say it's a federal law because people are going to die when times across this for the better instead of been there for you know fifty sixty years all the sudden they vs the so concerned about the crosses and the ten commandments that we've already had up in the seas in the back of my book i think the foundational document the declaration of independence the bill of rights first of the turn

a minute. it was the first. of the ten commandments as though she had no other gods before me yet where is that in our constitution it's not an act because the ten commandments say that you know when i hear father and mother and if you don't you should be taken on the public so when disco in the death where exactly that you should say that we the people have the power and if we the right people are not god we the people are christians we have a right to have influence on you are going to majority rules and i certainly am just authority over this concept i am hearing that's known as the territory and i'm very disappointed with the majority in america because they profess to be christians but they live like devils you're obviously like one of the what the movies want in iran so be it i'm at but i'm not arguing for a theology i don't believe. people should be forced to live by my bay use and principles we should be able to argue public policies with religious we're hearing in scripture we're out of time ok you had was with thank you very much thank you

but earlier today several texas newspapers there earlier today several texas newspapers reported on a transcript of a private meeting governor perry held made raise funds for the purpose of retail business leaders he was called to the ministry and serving as governor of texas is a pope who provided to him by god at this time to do his will it is true governor perry may have missed his calling at the expense of one of the fundamentals of american democracy separation of church and state. with a nine hour ceremony and amid much fanfare south sudan became the world's one hundred ninety third country and trees independence was the climax of the two thousand and five peace agreement that ended decades of civil war in the arab native north sudan a bitter conflict that cost over two million lives and called for a referendum last winter when south sudan voted overwhelmingly first the session people of south sudan are exuberant over their newfound independence they also seem to be very aware that they have a long road ahead of them north and south sudan still have to agree on

a. and clarify the critical issue of citizenship and they have yet to reach an agreement on oil and wealth sharing as south sudan holds the lion's share of this valuable natural resource and the north is going to be depended on keep their country running and of course south sudan must develop all of its democratic institutions fighting corruption and dealing with threats from insurgent groups my next guest was in south sudan to witness the birth of a nation with his own eyes and is here tonight to share his thoughts of what is next for the world's newest country joe madison as those of the joe madison show on sirius x.m. satellite radio good friend joe welcome welcome back thank you but everywhere is going to miss. this time with us as you were the last on its way to new sudan yeah well i mean and that's that's how things change since you and i were there what two years ago well. juba is quite different there are there's two juba's there's the extremely poor and then of course it is now

a capital it may tempt it may be temporary capital because there is discussion of moving it. but. as you remember there were very few hotels there weren't any paved road where they want to say because they are good and the and the rusty water and the like but but there are a lot of businesses and it's primarily because again money is flowing oil is flowing to the north and you know normally i think the dutch are counting the money or least oil is there we know we didn't succeed and then we didn't start counting the oil as part of the agreement because you can't trust the cartoon to count it so it's changed quite a bit a wheel again where we were is very rule still no infrastructure there's still a little less than probably one hundred miles of pay. clinic's people

are still living in mud probably the same way they did. four hundred years ago but what is happening is this new constitution. is quite honestly the s. limbs constitution in other words these were the men and women who fought in the bush for twenty three plus years they control the government now they are now they have now gone from military to being now governors they now are politicians and it's interesting some are capable and some aren't quite as capable they have not made the transition or as soldiers that they were for example my commander paul known as governor of a wheel and i spent several hours with him and he in the minute on the days he

spent in the bush for most of the twenty three years and wasn't quite sure if he was a good governor or not. you and i met silva kier one year as the guy who is now the president of south sudan all right he was the leader of the revolutionary forces i was really i mean it when i first walked in the room with him here's this great big guy you know who's got this big hat on and he just i just read mark i could just see him with you know with a k. forty seven or something and we set out and he was so not as well spoken but soft spoken some ways but very emphatic very precise and very he really struck me as a man who could be a great leader and so was his speech yet. because he was sworn in as the president but constitution was signed that day so we watched a new lesion to we see that you got trite as was july ninth so we watched the new nation war and we watched the first president snoring and. and we watched their

constitution sign and he and and what was really amazing was that bashir who is the president of sudan came in recognize southern sudan a really yes and they stood side by side well it's a good sign for the radical exasperate now remember bashir of course is a indicted world criminal and people kept wondering if he would be arrested but he was this is such a country of contradiction he was warmly received by the southern sudanese states but he said we will cooperate now he has the problems going on now in in the upper now certainly in the newbie in mountains but understand this of bashir is fighting right now in our battle zone for funds he cannot afford to fight southern sudan or now the republic of south sudan one is because south sudan can

sustain itself this is not only where the oil reserves are or the oil fields but it is it has enough agricultural land pashley feed most of central africa and it is the source of the nile river and so watter is as important to now northern sudan khartoum area as it is a country the size of the state of texas and what would and what was also said to us what was also said to us is that it will be the easiest country to do business in as long as it is mutually beneficial people who will go to south sudan thinking that they can take advantage of these individuals need to think again they made sure we understood that it had to be mutually beneficial after twenty three. wars

two point three million people guy but here made it very clear even right there in front of bashir we were marginalized we were discriminated against we we were enslaved i think he showed photographs we now see people have been taken slaves years ago are now being told ok you've got a new country go back home to south sudan and it is it was an amazing trip very few people i think in our generation get a chance to see a new country and i wish you had been there because i think you would have appreciated like we all did thank you for bringing the story back while saying you were not reducing it. south sudan has some huge challenges ahead of her but i can tell you as a person who's been there the will and strength and tenacity of our people is tremendous wealth for sausage down the very best. coming up you've been commenting and i've been listening after the break all or some of your comments and opinions

in our new segment my take your take. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions it's considered a breakthrough that sort of had to be made who can you trust no one who is in view with a global missionary to see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called sasha's when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

we're in the news in a new segment here on the big picture your take mighty it's your chance to send in questions comments rants observations about anything that we talk about here on the big picture or during my radio show and it's my chance to give you my take on it one more time or on your take our first counted tonight is from the viewer rant line for years i've been talking about the necessity of bringing back america's manufacturing base we need to make it to be a country that makes things again so how do we entice american corporations to bring the jobs back home there's a caller with one possible solution if we go boycott it companies that were making things in other countries if we boycott it everything except the

united states and related items including cars we might get somewhere especially with people that seem to be running those kind of companies. perforations and congress. where i really appreciate your sentiment and then thanks for the call the problem is that generally speaking boycotts don't work it's because what basically what a boycott means is that people with money are deciding the outcome of things because they're either buying or not buying and what we really need to do. as change our laws if we don't like the way things are work and change our laws in the case of bringing our our jobs back home we need to change our tariff laws our trade laws we need to go back to the kind of trade policies that this country had from seventy nine hundred three to one nine hundred eighty six and and restore tariffs that will protect manufacturers in the united states and earlier this week i thought pigs mostly circle in the skies over d.c.

because i actually found myself agreeing with new game bridge when he said that the supreme court has turned into an unconstitutional institution i agree with the supreme court is not acting in a capacity that our founding fathers and vision for the third branch of government and carolyn my take on it has hit home with some of you we are in agreement with mr hartman about his analysis of the supreme court and its powers thank you so much for sounding off on that sure mr hartman is meeting with a lot of resistance but it doesn't matter sometimes when you're right he gets more resistance there's a saying that says a lot goes around the world three times before truth is putting on her proof and it's true in this case and so you're absolutely right what we need to do is go do away with the idea just the core idea that we're a monarchy that we have kings in this country for some somehow we have been been

convinced over a couple of generations that five guys in black robes in the supreme court building five men and women in the supreme court really should be able to make laws strike down laws and tell us how to conduct ourselves that's not what the constitution says and we need to do away with the concept of judicial review new in our newt and i are not the only ones who have some criticism for the supreme court but i have to admit that these ladies found a much more colorful way to voice their thoughts. raul. i really. was an. asset. in the. right. earth.

that. was. the last. time she had my ad and yes the it. if you would like your comments and questions heard was set up we want to know your take send us your comments by visiting the tom hartman facebook page by a twitter at tom underscore her on or in the chat room on the message boards or through the blog at thom hartmann dot com you can also leave a message on our rant line at two two five three six fifty three zero six agree disagree sound off it's all welcome but remember that your comments may be used on the air. or so the guys on wall street want you to think after all they're looking at the two point six trillion dollars surplus in the social security trust fund and

thinking how many billions they get a zero on by skimming just a little bit off the top of it were privatized and if they get their hands on medicare which is even more money than social security and growing faster is boomers age and they could make hundreds of billions of dollars paul ryan privatization plan. so the politicians and the think tanks they help fund are hysterical here's an example in the washington post senate budget committee chairman republican pete domenici warned the nation's governors the other day medicare could be bankrupt in two and a half years some way is found to put the brakes on its burgeoning costs opes that was from the washington post on march sixth one nine hundred eighty three how about this one from the new york times the fund that pays all government reimbursement for hospital care of medicare patients is projected to become insolvent in the next decade or so. that was from the new york times on january

twenty second one nine hundred eighty nine in fact there's a long history of predicting medicare is going to go go broke any minute and along with social security you'll see republicans getting hysterical about it everyplace from congress to morning joe nedda care is going broke right and here's a graphic from the congressional research service that shows how last year of progressions the the projections changed the dotted lines are they projected income and expenses when calculated in two thousand and nine and see how bad things looked when they recalculated things last year and the solid lines are the new projections you can see how the actual numbers in past years were always pretty close to each other you know this this is up to the projection point you're always pretty close projections on actual costs all the way back to nine hundred sixty four when the fund was created. but here are the projections that were made when the fund would

be exhausted starting in one nine hundred seventy it was projected in one nine hundred seventy and seventy one actually it would be bankrupt seventy three i don't remember that happening to you i mean it's in seventy one they say we'd be out of business by seventy three and one hundred seventy two the nixon administration projected disaster but i'm hundred seventy six in one thousand nine hundred one the reagan administration said we're going to be out of the top in one nine hundred ninety one and the next year they even got a more dire in one thousand nine hundred two they said that it medicare was dead in eighty seven i remember nine hundred eighty seven i don't remember medicare dying every year of the reagan bush one nine hundred eighty s. and first couple years the one nine hundred ninety s. in fact their care was predicted to croak within at the most fifteen years and usually like in one thousand nine hundred four it would be in the sewer and six years. there's an old saying beggars don't lie but liars can figure that's why the republicans got medicare part d. in there so the government can't negotiate wholesale drug prices it'll suck over

six hundred billion dollars out of medicare in the next decade and handed all all of it as in profit over to a dozen or so big drug companies medicare part d. was intended to be a poison pill plan to kill off medicare want to save medicare just change the law so they can negotiate fifty or sixty or eighty percent discounts on the billions of dollars worth of drugs that they buy every year let them do exactly what the veterans administration and wal-mart and walgreens pharmacies to negotiate lower prices and what about the other big entitlement social security most likely you like other americans make less than one hundred six thousand dollars a year which means that every penny of income you get you and your employer pay a social security taxes even if you only make or thousand dollars a year so little money you pay no income taxes you still pay social security and medicare taxes and so the green here is the source of europe if you make sixty this

is forty nine hundred dollars a year if you make sixty one hundred dollars a year or seventy seventy three hundred dollars a year like some wal-mart employees with all the social security taxes you're paying but did you know that if you earn more than one hundred six thousand dollars a year the magic republican fairy dust gets sprinkled on you and after the first hundred six thousand dollars you no longer have to pay social security taxes now panic so last year when felipe threw on c.e.o. viacom took home eighty four point five million dollars. he had to take eighty four million three hundred ninety four thousand dollars of it totally free of any social security tax not a penny while business robert iger took twenty eight million dollars in income but only paid social security taxes on the first hundred six thousand when x. twenty seven million eight hundred ninety four thousand dollars that he took was

tax free at least with regard to social security taxes this is what's referred to as the social security app on fix social security forever just do away with the cap and then the millionaires and billionaires are paying the same rate as everybody and when the end when they pay the same percentage as you do it'll start to work through easy except that if you even mention it to a republican like eric cantor paul ryan or mitch mcconnell they'll walk out of the room got to protect those billionaires so let's stop all the stupidity and the demagoguery and and stop scaring average working people and make these relatively small changes like letting walt disney c.e.o. pay his fair share of the social security taxes that will solve arms i don't program shortfalls pass it on. as the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered visit our website at thom hartmann dot com free speech dot org dot com also check out our two youtube channel for

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