tv [untitled] July 14, 2011 10:00pm-10:30pm EDT
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the news today is once again flared up. these are the images the girls been seeing from the streets of canada. corporations are. welcome to the lower show or get the real headlines with none of the mersey are live in washington d.c. now and i will speak with jeremy scahill about his new report on the cia's secret sites and somalia we'll take a look at a number of new polls that show the majority of americans think tax increases need to be in the budget deal but then we're going to ask why there are still so woefully unaware about income equality overall and after more than a year wired has finally released what they claim to be the full chat logs between
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bradley manning and adrian lamo and these are details that you need to hear we're going to have all that and more for you tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has missed. all the corruption of the world all the lies that are told all of the wrong doings which case would you pick to have the media report on something tells me it wouldn't be this one. the judge in this case says that he may have no choice but to clear up a mistrial after prosecutors violated his order that if there is a mistrial then we have to start all over again this jury would be dismissed there have to be another pool called in there have to be more questions to going to take another week or so to impanel a jury all of this is in question whether or not any of this is going to move forward that is because the judge presiding over clemens' perjury trial has now declared
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a mistrial in this case going to be following this now listen i understand that baseball is the great american pastime that roger clemens is one of the most famous pictures of all time so yes can't give an update or to sleep at c.b.s. began to go over every single little detail but is this really great news can you imagine if the media person pursued wall street with the exact same tenacity the courage for not only brought down the world economy but then also lied to congress when they were testifying about it why haven't we seen a trial there yet why haven't we seen more anger aside from maybe dylan ratigan and jane out there the rest of the worthless mainstream media is perfectly content to close its eyes and results the eyes of america when you see true grit and greed and corruption and this says a lot for our justice system as well for our governments which the mainstream media gives an embarrassingly easy pass to but here is a story that does deserve your attention because it has to do with your privacy and what a corrupt and overbearing government is trying to do with it he said there's ron
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wyden and mark udall both deserve a round of applause today as well as danger room found out that you are sending a letter today directly to the director of national intelligence james clapper and you see thanks to the smartphones that we all carry around geolocation technology has made it increasingly easier to spy on us to monitor our every move and senators wider than you all want to know if the intelligence agencies in this country think that they have the right to track us whenever they want the widens already introduced legislation that would require. law enforcement get warrants but as of now about to go to the supreme courts of course the obama administration is going to be furiously fighting to get them to rule that they can spy on you worry free but that doesn't apply to the intelligence agencies or for the purpose of simplicity let's just call them the spies they've been using the phys amendments act which was passed under bush in two thousand and eight to make all that warrantless wiretapping illegal to collect more data on americans and their communications abroad so a lot of the new doll said that they want on classified answers from clapper and so
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how far that goes when it comes to geolocation that unclassified answers people even believe that i'm sure just the sound of those words is making clapper cringe after all i'm sure that he's gotten used to operating in peace in secrets without anybody really questioning intelligence efforts so i just can't wait to see if he actually gives these two senators a response i'm sure wire to be on it will be on it but for now all that stuff about your privacy and agencies spying on you and lots of the mainstream media chooses to miss. reporting for the nation jeremy scahill is released a report on cia operations and secret sites in somalia recording scahill in a back corner of mogadishu's international airport as a sprawling a walled compound run by the cia where they run a counterterrorism training program aimed at building an indigenous strike force to
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carry out combat operations against members of al shabaab but that's not all or poor leaders another secret prison buried in the basement of somalia's national security agency headquarters or prisoners are held some of them are under from kenya and all no although the underground prison is officially run by the somalis u.s. intelligence personnel pay the salaries of intelligence agents and also directly interrogate those prisoners it's direct evidence of an expanding a u.s. operation in the country and also a continuation of bush. era policies carried out by the obama administration just how many resources the us putting back and does this mean that our counterterrorism policies really are reaching worldwide proportions where earlier i caught up with jeremy scahill national security reporter for the nation magazine and author of the book of blackwater the rise of the world's most powerful mercenary army and i first asked him if he had any idea when he went to mogadishu and this is what he would find why i went there as part of an investigation i'm doing into u.s.
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targeted killing operations and my original intent in going there was to look at the way that the joint special operations command was engaged in targeted killing operations inside of somalia within a couple of days of arriving in mogadishu i received information that indicated that the cia had just set up a secret counterterrorism training base of the airport and then i met a man who told me that he had been in a basement dungeon prison in a facility where there were also cia operatives and that's how we started our investigation so yes we were looking into the idea of targeted killing and covert ops no we did not know that the cia was using the secret prison there or had set up a new base at the airport in mogadishu and also can you tell me a little bit more about these compounds starting first at a new base at the airport is this something that's really closed off and secretive or is it just out there in plain sight for all to see. well it's probably the most poorly kept secret in mogadishu if it is secret because everyone from the kids chewing khat leaves on the street to senior government officials certainly knows
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that the cia has set up a base at the airport in fact you can see it from the tarmac as you're standing there waiting to board planes or as you get off the planes it's a fairly big compound with walls that guarded guard towers in all four corners and the reason it caught my attention was because it looked very much like the u.s. forward operating bases that i've seen in afghanistan and elsewhere and then when i started talking to government officials from the u.s. back somali government and intelligence officials on the ground i did. covered that in fact it was a cia base and that they were training and paying somali counterterrorism agents and they're trying to set up an indigenous strike force capable of doing targeted killing capture operations against the militant group al-shabaab now you also reported that your son line source for one of them that you spoke to said that these guys are lined up about once a month and pay two hundred dollars in cash how much money is that for somalia. for somali people two hundred dollars a month is
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a huge amount of money i mean let's remember this is a country that hasn't printed its own currency since one thousand nine hundred one it's a place where they're the best chance that a young man in particular has of employment is by working as a militia member with a with an a k forty seven so to to have two hundred dollars is a pretty decent salary especially if it's consistent and to have it paid in american money is the best way that it could be done i mean relative to what you and i would think would be good pay obviously it's not much money at all in somalia that's a that's a tremendous amount of money for an individual to make ok and so then if we look at the fact that they've been paying these people they've been training them to set up these operations has any of that actually been successful. i mean i think the u.s. so-called counterterrorism approach in somalia has relied on two primary things one is the u.s. is doing unilateral strikes using j. sock or the cia in rural parts of somalia and in some cases civilians have been
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killed making the shabab even stronger and angering local populations on the other hand inside of mogadishu the only thing that the u.s. can rely on for the most part as a replacement for intelligence is indiscriminate shelling by the african union forces known as amazon that are funded and armed by the united states they just indiscriminately shell areas where the shabaab how are believed to have strongholds and and they force everyone to flee the shabaab and the civilians that were living there and it really is just a replacement for accurate intelligence and it's angering enraging a lot of people and causing a lot of civilian damage and civilians to be killed and as part of that this counterterrorism training program the cia has is in theory aimed at doing more surgical operations but these somali intelligence sources that i spoke with said they've only tried one operation in a chicago controlled area and it was a disaster of the somali agents ended up getting killed and they haven't tried one
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since and that was late yes last year they also told me they don't have a single. credible informant in the shabaab areas and remember the u.s. backed government in mogadishu only controls thirty square miles of the capital city much of the rest of the city and in fact the country is in the hands of warlords clans or al-shabaab and i really want to get into this. prison that you were told about what goes on there when we talk about interrogations are u.s. officials directly involved in the interrogations i think it's harsh interrogation techniques and you get any of those details i just want to be clear that what i reported in my article was what i felt that i had a journalistically have the right to report in other words i had multiple sources i believe that it was true. on the issue of harsh interrogation i don't have any information that i can report that there is torture taking place in the prison or anything that we would know in this country as harsh interrogation techniques having said that the conditions in the prison themselves sound to me like would be
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use it's in a dungeon where there are no windows and no sunlight the air was described to me as thick and disgusting in a totally unsanitary conditions bed bug infestation throughout the prison mosquitoes prisoners that seemed to be going crazy rocking against walls banging their heads on the walls i was told there are children young boys that are also inside of the prison many of the people that are there were picked up on suspicion of having links to al shabaab or al qaeda and i was told very directly by multiple somali intelligence officials and government officials that the american and french intelligence agents that work with the somalis directly interrogate prisoners if they ask and that it does happen and that the somali intelligence agents let them do it freely when i spoke to well i can't say the name of the entity that i called for comment because they told me that i could only identify them as a u.s. official but let's just say u.s. official familiar with these operations said that the americans only de-brief be
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brief terror suspects in the presence of somali agents and only jointly with those somali agents that was contradicted by everyone else i talked to for this story and jeremy everything that you've reported here. is a very big deal not only is it a continuation of bush policies by the obama administration when it comes to having secret prisons when it comes to rendition when it comes to detaining people and such harsh conditions but i'm just curious why that is that we haven't seen you on every single news channel why all of those real news networks out there are dying to get this story from he'll. yes so far it's just been democracy now al-jazeera and russia today r.t. that have expressed serious interest in this story and i should say the story is one hundred percent true and the u.s. government when i called them for comment confirm that it was true they just tried to play semantics with they were concerned that i was going to call it a black site they were they were concerned that i was saying that they were
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directly interrogating the prisoners they prefer the term be briefing of prisoners you know so that was where the issue was i think that there's a couple of factors here one both c.n.n. and a.b.c. news good stories on their websites that in the case of c.n.n. didn't even mention my report and just basically reprinted a press release from the cia saying that you know they were just assisting the somali government a.b.c. news did something far more insidious they mischaracterized what i reported and then had a u.s. official responding and denying something that i didn't even say which is that the u.s. was running a counterterrorism detention facility what i said is exactly what i reported and that is that the u.s. is paying the salaries of somali agents who are operating in underground prison and that u.s. officials are interrogating prisoners there that is one hundred percent true and no one from the government will come forward to deny it because they know it's true and so these media outlets are serving as conveyor belts for the propaganda of the central intelligence agency which is very good at spin and lastly i just want to
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ask you we have there have been some critics out there of people that say they even discuss national security think i think you could be putting americans at risk what's your response back. our our counterterrorism policies in many of these countries are putting americans at risk especially when we kill civilians but specifically on the issue of these sites the cia needs to investigate their own operational security because when a kid chewing khat leaves on the street knows where your headquarters is that's not good operational security when you can see it when you fly into the airport that's not good operational security so if anything i think that this should be used as a wake up call for the cia to examine its own operational security procedures everyone knows about this including journalists who just for some reason have decided not to report on it but it's the worst kept open secret in mogadishu i general and i thank you very much for joining us tonight so happy you could make it on the program and very happy that there are people like you out there reporting on these stories. thank you. our it's time for
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a break when we come back is the new google plus even worse than facebook when it comes to not protecting your privacy when getting to the new social networking sites a stunning or lack of those protections and wired has finally released the full chaffetz when bradley manning adrian lamo for you the details when we come back. into that only a military mechanisms do don't work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government's true if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. getting some the gist of the story and it seems so easy to understand it and then something
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are you one of the select social media savvy people that's already on google plus did you get a little excited when that super exclusive invite e-mail arrived in your inbox and i must admit i was a little disappointed it took me a few days you get the invite my friend guess that makes me a loser but now i'm wondering if that coveted invitation is more trouble than it's worth starting on july thirty first everyone's a google plus profile is going public and during the current testing phase you can keep our profile private but that's all about to change google says the purpose of
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google profiles is to enable you to manage your online identity and today nearly all google profiles are public we believe that using it google profiles to help people find and connect with you online is how the product is best used private profiles don't allow this so we've decided to require all profiles to be public so that you're wondering what happens if you don't make your google plus profile public and reveal your identity to all of everybody on the internet well it's to lead it but he doesn't love the google or tell us your real name or will cancel your account seems a little harsh wouldn't you say now google says if they're only going to make the users full name and gender displayed on the public profile of that so should google force everyone to make their profiles go public i don't think so but here's my big question for anybody who signed up for google plus should this policy really shock any of us the company has a long history of trampling on privacy rights and something that we've documented numerous times on this show humor former google c.e.o.
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eric schmidt and what he says about online privacy if you have something you do want and you want to know we shouldn't be doing it in the first place but if you really do that kind of privacy the reality is that search engines including google do retain this information for some time. and it's important for example that you are also getting a sense of the patriot act and used that information could be made available to you through. an inventor of the creepy line a google glass isn't. only google platform that's moving away from privacy protections maser changes have been made to how you tube users can register and operate on the site for years you tube it allows users to upload videos and comments anonymously it was a hallmark of the site for better or for worse and they've been a very proud of this position they claim that a blog post on the google web site that anonymity was a hugely important feature of you tube which dissidents in the middle east comments and upload content without governments or anyone else being able to track. that
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noble position is apparently changed and youtube will no longer let people register with anonymous names they will now have to use an existing email account to upload or comment on the site and that's a major departure from all that lofty talk of the importance of allowing people to remain anonymous what about their requests for democracy and trying to stay safe so while google talks a big talk about protecting its users identity and their privacy it seems like their recent actions simply aren't backing up the rhetoric so it looks like now that google's got a big bad social network to compete with basic work they also turn to the dark side of privacy and anonymity as in they no longer believe that it should exist. after hanging on to them for more than a year yesterday wired finally released with a claim to be the full chat logs between bradley manning and adrian lamo those same laws they had previously only released excerpts of they have been used to launch investigative reports by frontline and c.n.n. logs which adrian lamo quoted in numerous interviews for which up to this date no
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one had any ability to verify another out there we can get a deeper look into what manning allegedly said and how the u.s. government will try to use it against him in court and he's logged show the limo told may to pink of him as a journalist and minister to think of what he told him as a confession and interview never to be published they also documented describing julia silent as someone who takes the source protection very seriously and asks to be lied to which basically debunks claims that a songe may have known that manning was his source so could any of this change anything in the public's perception of manning or the government's handling of this case joining me from our studio in new york to discuss this is chase not our civil rights attorney and author of the passion of bradley manning which will be coming out this fall chase thanks so much for joining us tonight now before we get into what's in some of these travelogues i want to get into what you are writing about do you think that bradley manning should get the presidential medal of freedom i
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think you and i probably both know that's never going to happen at least not during this administration but why do you think you deserve that award. we've badly need to know what our government is doing after ten years of disastrous foreign policy we need some serious public supervision and thanks to bradley manning and the leaks that he is allegedly supplied us with we can finally make that supervision possible now what are some of the other reasons to you know in your piece you document for major reasons that you think the gravity manning has really changed our world and our knowledge i guess you could say of this world. well bradley manning is part of a long and heroic tradition of american military whistleblowers people like dan ellsberg who have really brought honor to our armed forces by blowing the whistle on wrongdoing and this is not some radical new idea that was just invented last week by julian assigns it was james madison who said that
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a popular government without popular information or the means of acquiring it is but a prologue to a farce or a tragedy or both that's james madison the primary architect of our constitution the need for transparency in government and for a minimum of government secrecy is a very good idea it's a very old idea in our american political system and intellectual history and fortunately we have people like bradley manning who come along and remind us of this when we have strayed too far from this with disastrous results i might add over the past ten years how would you compare bradley manning through some of the people that over the past years have received this presidential medal of freedom including donald rumsfeld cheney now former secretary of defense robert gates. well i hate to say it but i think the currency of the presidential medal of freedom is somewhat debased given all the people who have known it donald rumsfeld tony
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blair always the grinning and eager accomplice to the iraq war george tenet who thought the war in iraq would be a slam dunk i can't say that any of these people reflect well on our country and their record of government service is is a good one so perhaps the presidential medal of freedom really isn't the right award for bradley manning now i want to get into some of these it shall all of the released by wired yesterday and i just had two passages that i decided to highlight and i'm going to go through with them with you one by one and so the first one in the first one manning says he's trying to keep a low profile for now though just a warning to which a limo responds i'm a journalist and a minister you can take either and treat this as a confession or an interview never to be published and enjoy a modicum of legal protection so obviously it looks like one mole lied to manning here i guess some could even say that he manipulated him but what do you think that
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says especially considering the fact that limo has been parading himself around the media release the man the media has been jumping on the mo for at least the past year and nobody ever knew that he said these things until wired released that well it certainly reflects very poorly adrian lamo i frankly feel bad for that guy he seems like kind of a said character he was in voluntarily committed to a mental institution of some kind just weeks before he fingered manning and he has his own criminal past as often with criminal informants. they tend to have said stories we had he is the one that you could say. that the government is using a lot of the evidence at least to imply that manning is guilty here so is that fair . well these charges have not been authenticated so i don't want to speak to their it mis ability is evidence so the bin may well wind up in court and they do clearly
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implicate bradley downing if they are legit but to the many people who think that would bradley manning did is good for our country this is not a game changer i want to read you one more passage here to you and this one has to deal specifically with julian assigns because lamar was asking manning what happens if somebody comes for you julia sign she actually use his name if he slipped up and manning said he knows very little about me take source protection or seriously lie to me he says which george will most said interesting and then manning said he will work with you if you reveal too much about yourself now i did this passage is also really important because we've seen numerous investigations be it by p.b.s. frontline or c.n.n. it are all trying to find a way to connect manning to assign an assigned has repeatedly claimed that he does not know who his sources are do you think that this at least helps you know give some proof to that do you think of this could damage the government's argument at
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all absolutely i think this actually backs up what it has been saying. it frustrates the attempt of the government of our government to link asuncion some kind of conspiratorial relationship with manning so that does not seem to come out at all in these new fuller chat logs and why it is getting a lot of flack for the fact that they didn't release these until and having them for more than a year of the four they only released certain excerpts do you think they deserve all that scrutiny. i think they deserve some flak i think they probably did the right thing in withholding some of the information and some of the dialogues there's a lot of personal information about bradley manning that certainly makes for gripping often heartbreaking reading but really brings nothing could bear i think about the motives for what he allegedly done you know there's a whole rush on the part of many commentators to assign that strange motives to
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bradley manning that he allegedly leaked all these documents because of family issues or people as he's gay or because he's thinking of gender transition none of this speaks to his real motives which are very plainly stated in the chat logs that he did what he did because he wanted to provoke worldwide discussions debates reforms and that he did what he did because he didn't think people could make informed decisions without information some people have called this wide of thought childish an archaic but i hate to say it if that's what it is that's the kind of childish anarky that our constitution is built in that much of our political tradition depends on. very quickly do you think that opinions will change that perhaps manning one day be as ellsberg is now considered a national hero by the majority of absolutely i'm very optimistic about that it's
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important to remember that dan ellsberg was vilified in his time and people have really come around even the state department sees him as a hero there are a growing number of people on the right left and center who see bradley manning's alleged deeds as heroic and tiredly beneficial to our country i chase thank you so much for joining us and i will see if the presidential medal of freedom ever comes through but for now i will have to start monitoring what comes out of the fact that these have been really thanks so much. thank you. all still to come tonight show and tell and why don't americans know that wealth disparity in this country is at a record high now are politicians taking advantage of that when it comes to budget cuts when you get into it it seems you are trying to. get us i'm going to see a story and it seems so poorly sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else you hear or see some other part of it and realized everything.
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