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that way. i have this funny memory of buying a greenpeace stick and that you put on your windows of the rainbow warrior and. terrorism and now i'm. on a bike that was on a peaceful mission really sort of shook my idea of living in a safe country i think it's the younger generation that teaching the next generation a legacy of hope really the thing that we have given young people. twenty is it's we actually passed the rule and we want a young people to know about the law because any was only four when the law was passed. and the old hands of the if it's just and i swear this. and that's. what. i have. is. that they are putting. this. thing here that if all
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that. listening to the stories of people like mum and peacemakers and israel and the work that they've done is make it hard and i think that of say more ordinary citizens can make a difference and i feel that i can try. to prevent the young people from feeling a sense of powerlessness the pacifists remind them of the long crusade that made their country nuclear free and under neither confirm nor deny you can feel the pride in me that we had governments and politicians prepared to go on those boats to go out there and actually protest i mean it was something we did as ordinary citizens working with governments you've got a partnership model there that is and you unusual i think right around the world you notice it took another twelve years to get along a government that actually ran on a nuclear ticket and won. and then it was consolidated by the stupidity of the french in thinking that they would somehow stop this problem.
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but doubling the robot warrior what it did instead was it absolutely cemented it hope. remember that the british and australian on aboriginal lamed the fallout that came from near actually came over to new zealand not just from what was happening by the french entirely. the british preceded the french rickets affair beginning in one thousand fifty two they tested their way into the very restricted. by the u.s.s.r. . with the assistance of the australian and new zealand military. using them to spiritual study. results demonstrated the presence of elevated chromosomal disturbances of new zealand veterans in the fifty years ago so they're basically saying i have suffered any damage and we spoke recently as a national conference here on disarmament when the daughter of one of the trends
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spycatcher father was too old to speak and she talked about growing up with that fear of having a child prone to food and even uneasy and because of the effects of radiation from her father they were exposed to nuclear tests in the pacific. and i'm lucky. i have three move children. and i don't live with these. i was so it was normal until i got disco and sit on the mess around so it would appear. and most of the kids would say a mother to take her necklace and then. tries to stop nuclear. because that's how i understood. crane as an external command her now working at the disarmament security center.
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back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when i was in and she submarine helicopters i was required to train my air crew in using this new to a depth bomb which we were given. if we ever had to release it true a helicopter we could not escape before doesn't it and so it was a suicide mission i asked a few questions i was reassured that we probably would never really have to use it it shocked me but i was ambitious no one else was complaining and we were told that this is the only way that britain could keep independence. i realize that. only later many years later of. this was completely untrue. as a new converts against nuclear weapons i was looked upon with great school by the.
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peace movement in britain i tried to explain that i was not a psychopath my friends we are psychopaths and we are professional military men. who thought for a deeply about what we did but i did agree with them the nuclear weapon aspect was an aberration. i'm trying to think. he had a conscience to do something about these and i can imagine a guy around its merits. and i just can't imagine and i see him so now so passionate about what he does that i just said nother rob well it's the ultimate cautionary tale but what they say is nothing like that. the always tend to overdo it because you really understand you know which of what is
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being proposed the pentagon. will say oh don't worry we have everyone well trained we have plenty of safety systems there can not be a accidental start of a nuclear war but no through weapons are built to be used the risk is not zero that something might be going off by mistake specially with thousands of nuclear weapons on head trigger alert in the us and in russia if the united states does drop i think it's eleven atomic bombs accidentally. we dropped four off of space and we have dropped one a nuclear weapon in a marsh here in the united states now still there are a number of. nuclear nuclear weapons are such a huge issue with such high risks associated with them that there's a natural tendency to play both sides. away and they say they're cutting back but
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at the same time they maintain extremely high numbers of weapons. given the number of near misses we are lucky to still be here the activists are convinced that an accident is pending ok and that the only valid security system is the total abolition of nuclear weapons in ninety six when we began the swell project idea there was this dream if you say i'm going to clean it we've been selling go in everywhere else in the world by going to the world court we could get the conscience of the ordinary citizen around the world saying these are against the moral conscience of people it's an illegal to use nuclear weapon tomorrow and the dream was that it would be easy to get it through the u.n. and into the world court and that eventually these weapons would be declared illegal as we had done in our own country and thank goodness that we were dreamers and i'm realistic can help. that that we were both stood by the sense of how this
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could happen but the real sources of international treaties customary international law and the general principles of law recognized by the legal systems of the world . that quite categorical on the batting of nuclear weapons and the legality of nuclear weapons the fact that nuclear weapons cannot be used by way of a strike threat. you know to mislead. i think that only use of force by means of nuclear weapons and that is going to lead to article two paragraph four of the united nations charter and article fifty one is unlawful. nucular deterrence says we have nuclear weapons but our goal is not to use them if they. are
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goal is to have them at our disposal. this means that we are not in the realm of the real we are in the realm of the virtual need don't know what you're going to argue it is contrary to international law or even to have in one's ass it is this rep and because the purpose of the weapon is to use it as a threat or as an actual weapon the nuclear powers are alliances like nato still rely on nuclear deterrence which is threat and so the fight continues i was on a panel with a senior advisor to the british government about nuclear policy and he's pro nuclear. and we were debating about. the world court opinion and whether nuclear deterrence was legal and he was extremely cynical he said that . it was a mistake to go into the court but governments would ignore it and that's true they
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have an answer and the other thing he relied on all the time was he said and of course we never actually will have to use them and the to me is the heart of the problem for the people who brought you to terence is that if they try to claim a level use and then turns doesn't work we're meant we would argue that terence does mean use of it is a use of a nuclear weapon to actually threaten to use them and that's when you're into that will cause the first time you've fought to get that threat you know and this isn't it it was the south pacific noise and the activists that i get to have threesome clued in their original question is if you have you clearly threats then the. nuclear states could barguti well we're only relying terence which is threat and so we're not going to use so i waited for him in. return from here is going to go back to the court house rules prevent. at the time the judges agreed unanimously on
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the requirement for total nuclear disarmament the activists are fighting ted that opinion on and. this is. what i understand that the lewis and others wanting to do is to use the unanimous part of the opinion and i wanted to say to new zone how can we make that stronger how can we you know what are they doing that state practice that is still illegal. is that your understanding of it is i mean that they're looking for some new leiva to put more pressure on the equip states to comply and disarm completely not just to reduce. yes on nuclear weapons in fact it's reverse since the world court decision the americans particularly have come out and said that. they see new roles for nuclear weapons and so we're back to almost like a sort of cold war situation again but with the war on terror instead and so it's
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going to be far more difficult to get governments to put their heads over the parapet of the nonproliferation treaty does provide a framework for ending the threat of destruction species for the greater work and the signing signers states they agreed to take good faith effort to eliminate nuclear weapons none of them lived up to that and now of course we focus on well ations by others those who like policemen on the word scene and i'm talking of the nuclear powers they are violating this very little which they want other countries to observe now what if a policeman violates the law he cannot expect the rest of the hood to comply but the law of the only system that would work would be one that is perceived to be nondiscriminatory and fair and equally applied to all countries one approach that has followed these fairs is you know dividing the word or between
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friends court and god good countries and court on court bad or rogue countries or evil to do with that approach doesn't work it doesn't take too much to remember that in the one nine hundred eighty s. daboll sand in the rock was a friend of the west. understood what intelligence agencies knew the invasion of iraq would spur nuclear proliferation and terror. for good reasons these are the only means of deterrence to the other side. and nobody's going to turn to the united states where the us spends about as much as the rest of the world. are spending so the only way to turn. nuclear weapons and. the activists are understandably anxious as a result of the nuclear posture review in this classified u.s. military document the security guarantees that protected countries without nuclear
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weapons against a nuclear offensive are cancelled a strategy of action is being adopted in addition to deterrence so the arsenals must be upgraded to make them easier to use france and britain have responded with surprising enthusiasm to this nuclear renaissance that the united kingdom is going to pretend that it needs nuclear weapons for its survival or its security who is attacking the united kingdom so i have got the very strange idea that because there's terrorists in the world we need to have nuclear weapons can they use nuclear weapons against terrorists but it would that not be rather like shooting musk eaters with chemicals i think the british would make a much bigger splash in the history of the world if the decider that they let the program expire we are still fighting the polio war between britain and france because when i finally corner.
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any senior british military man these days and ask him why do you need nuclear weapons they say every time it's nothing to do with security it's nothing to do with the russians it's to do with the french we cannot allow france to be the only european nuclear power. and there is this fear that britain will become like new zealand if they're going to be free there will be. of no consequence in the world. even though i do this where i constantly keep i'm from well i mean the discussion that we have been having talking about the reality of next here on the streets sometimes i just want i just. had enough. and lose heart but at the same time i think. something has to be and if i have any position that i can do
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something i will. now commence generation's i go out the middle of the woods and doing pretty soon but now i mean i don't know maybe you guys amongst the young people i speak to me when i go out there. and i think they also saluted some names all parties did that and some new engines online now that people can sign up which is and i've got a shame but i think that belonging because yes which comes from that live sort of active projects yes go on and people solidarity images from it which i don't think exists so much among so young people that it might it just as. before the invasion of iraq there were millions of people protesting and still you know there's a million people around and i'm interested went to washington so i mean it's not necessarily it's you go to commits the public or the pope said suddenly we're going to be a star and yet we're going to be here and what i think everybody dreams about you trace and i think they mobilize action that would occur would be huge and many said
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fear like no one's turning away any piece moment because it's kind of the feeling is still there the kind of pace down. there. but i also think that a lot of young people that aspect might be interested in some of these issues but not complacent and they're overwhelmed by all of us here resentment was amazed at them and what do you do it isn't going to divide the peace movement can say to humanity you know if you keep spinning the true. in dollars a year on weapons of venture you're going to blow everybody up you you know people are dying from these weapons but until we actually see it people don't don't wake up to it. in two thousand and six canadian activists tried to drum up public interest in nuclear disarmament worldwide military expenditures had risen to more than one trillion dollars this was a traumatic event for those who took to the streets during the cold war. the anti nuclear movement of the early nineteen eighties was probably the most the largest
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and most effective nonviolent peace movement in history and successful a man of the united states was moving towards shore increase in offensive nuclear capacities and it girl was forced to back down in fact of the reagan administration was forced to adopt the rhetoric of the peace movement in order to continue with their programs and that's where the storm surge comes from and we're not planning to tack anyone or just planning to eliminate nuclear weapons if you measure the peace movement by the number of people who march in one thousand nine hundred two the one million marched in central park in new york at the height of the cold war. last year there were forty thousand who marched at the review conference of the nonproliferation treaty well the big difference in
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numbers true is the peace movement lost its we're going to. talk significantly but the lesson there is very clear the mass on violent political movement can change rooms. and the importance of nuclear proliferation is very much . aware of or concerned with what a surprise to discover a fifteen year old concerned by the outcome of the nonproliferation treaty is name is rafael even though. i'd just like to say that you and your speech is now serving part of my school. right here. and i like to play. right through it once i actually found out how bad it was three different people who really made it clear to me speakers. and the search.
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and i washed my actions were very last stage to have a speaker all the way from new york. she is an activist nuclear disarmament educator producer and your advisor on the list just keeps going this different warm welcome for kathleen. ok the effectiveness of a social movement is sometimes very surprising and hard to track but it also depends on the creativity of the of the social movements themselves in the activists involved with ideas and images and stories and that's why we sailed boats into nuclear test songs they've kind of surmised that all the weapons used in the second world war are equivalent to say three megatons that includes the two nuclear weapons used here seem another saki all the bombs in the bullets. that represents all of the firepower of the second world war ok so now i'm going to give you another sound and this second sound is the equivalent firepower
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seeking the capability to make nuclear weapons is for those countries that have nuclear weapons to find a way to give them up and to rely full security on non-nuclear means. when i say mad rush over the past couple of weeks five or six countries have indicated that they might be interested in developing a capability to enrich uranium australia canada ukraine kazakhstan south africa. these countries that's sad why should they be left behind canada is interested in the small level of richmond very far away from a nuclear weapon capability but the technology for enrichment nonetheless is the same we sometimes for for to it as a latent proliferation you put in place all the technologies to make nuclear weapons but you stop at
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a much lower level. orders to use part in all this we were third world good at our dedication to peacekeeping as a percentage of gross domestic product is now dropped down to late we used to be leading the world in the battle against nuclear proliferation and we were little leading countries in the world in the battle against the weaponization of space canada has very little space in which to. make progress because. it's a member of nature and nature is a neutral lots just like mafia that have signed on to us clearly canadian foreign policy and the best policy military policy is going to change dramatically and we canadians are big trouble in terms of birth historical commitment to peace and disarmament. every. thing is in place to proceed with disarmament when one hundred eighty eight countries committed to disarm they sent the shining message that
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goodwill could prevail but so far the governments choose to spend billions perfecting this terminal threat rather than fighting poverty or global warming. will future generations heirs to the thousands of bombs be as lucky as their parents will be live without seeing a nuclear explosion either by accident or by design maybe maybe not. but until the treaties and international law are. made the bond between.
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the grand imperial truly the taj west coast coromandel hotel to sit down to go and. read the sun the colonel was hotel as a treat. over thirty countries including the u.s. officially recognized the libyan rebel council as the legitimate governing authority reiterating earlier calls for gadhafi and his family to give up power. public outrage in italy is the latest e.u. country to be hit by the financial crisis as its parliament approves an austerity budget in a bid to stave off the threat of a bailout. and as the u.k. phone hacking scandal puts the future of the murdoch media empire at risk questions arise as to why it's taken so long for action to be taken this by police knowing about many of the allegations for years.
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with news and comment from around the world this is r.t. live in moscow twenty four hours a day the u.s. along with more than thirty other nations has decided to recognize libya's rebels as the legitimate government of the country that they've been contact group convening in turkey there's also word colonel gadhafi to give up power to get after he's reacted to that by fight on going to church can has more now from our washington bureau. hillary clinton has announced washington now accepts the transitional national council as a legitimate government governing authority of the libyan people and diplomatic recognition of the council means that the u.s. will be able to fund the opposition with some of the more than thirty billion dollars in khadafi regime assets that are frozen in american banks but it's not only that the obama administration has provided overwhelming military and political support for this transitional council the head of the council has recently traveled
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to washington showed his gratitude asked for more support analysts say it's no surprise that he's being propelled to power in levy a by washington. who has studied in the u.s. for years he has talked to the u.s. so he's quite well connected with the united states but how it often comes with strings attached and some say the leading opposition leader is sure to get instructions from washington on how to return the favor so to say but some experts also point out that in an attempt to propane certain people to apply where the west supports the rebels and the rebels are not a homogenous group there are all kinds of people there are some radical elements as well a former jihadist who we now feel even in two thousand says he estimates one thousand he had is are among the rebels in libya one believe in rebel commander has openly admitted his fighters have to leave and even a u.s. military study three years ago said deviance made up the second largest group of jihadist seen in the world right after saudi arabia so analysts say this.
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