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the fallout from the french tests went beyond the polynesian islands it caused outrage in new zealand which took the lead in the anti-nuclear movement and became a black sheep among western countries yes unlike any other country new zealand refused to rely on nuclear weapons for its security but here nuclear technology is damned it's the law i think a lot of the young people do feel proud about new zealand's victory for opposing but i think people would come a bit complacent and feel that it's foreign we're safer there are these other ships and i mean a lot of people say people in the place of man does have a certain ultimatums gravy it's reserves and that's what people say. even in new zealand it's difficult to find young people concerned about this issue they are

more sensitive to the melting of the antarctic and he wants to revitalize the ageing pacifist movement when i'm working at peacetime nation and my role is to use outreach coordinator. and i recently got me to tell he's going to be pacific he's accused of all. us basing all these amazing people from twenty seven different countries in the pacific and i felt for the first time in my life that music was not remote and that we would think we are paid to. so things out the pacific our country. i was put up on the high road for peace activist mother she's been around during peace it took his last starts and my blood and i feel of sponsor for the city to continue that we. have this funny memory of mom buying a crane place stickers that you put on it when the news of the rainbow warrior and

the fifth terrorism are in harbor on a part that was on a peaceful mission and really sort of suppliers here living in a safe country i think it's the younger generation that teaching the next generation the legacy of hump really there's a saying that we have given young people actually a good policy because it's twenty is since we actually passed the rule and we want to young people to know about the war because any was only four when that law was passed. and the old times as i see it it's a sign was worth is not. enough and that's. what. i have a feeling this is what they think it's the. man and the service and the thing like a venue that is all. listening to the stories oath people like mum and peacemakers and israel and the work that they've done is me hard and i think

that what i've seen what ordinary citizens can do you make a difference and i feel there are going to try. to prevent the young people from feeling a sense of powerlessness the pacifist remind them of the long crusade that made their country nuclear free and under neither confirm nor deny even free. the pride in me that we had governments and politicians prepared to go on those parts to go out and actually protest i mean it was something we did as ordinary citizens working with governments you've got a partnership model there that is unusual i think right around the world you notice it took another twelve years to get along with government and actually ran over. to get one. and then it was consolidated by the stupidity of the french in thinking that they would somehow stop this problem by bombing the rainbow warrior and what it did instead was absolutely cemented that hope. i

think it's important to remember that the british and australia on aboriginal lamed for that came from near actually came over to new zealand not just from what was happening by the french into heat. the british preceded the french from the pacific beginning in one thousand fifty two they tested their way into the very restricted nuclear u.s.s.r. . with the assistance of the australian military. people study. the results demonstrate the presence of elements of chromosomal disturbances introspections any thirty years ago so they're basically saying they have suffered damage and we spoke recently as a national conference here on so much when the daughter of one of the eclipsed patron's spycatcher father was still to speak and she talked about growing out of

that fear of having a child only for home even in israel and because of the effects of radiation from the sun starts to nuclear tests on the pacific. and i'm lucky. i have three children. and i don't live with the thing. i was so it was normal until i until i got to school and sit on the merits and go around so i would appear. and most of the kids would say i'm not as a take. and then i would say oh and my mom tried to stop nuclear because that's how i understood. crane is an extent command her now working at the sam and security center back in the one nine hundred seventy s.

when i was in and she submarine helicopters i was required to train my air crew in using this new cadets bomb which we were given. if we ever had to release it that from a helicopter we could not escape a fortunate it and so it was a suicide mission i asked a few questions i was reassured that we probably would never really have to use it if. i was ambitious and no one else was complaining i mean we're told that this is the only way that britain could keep independence i realize that. i mean later many years later of. this was completely untrue. as a new convert against nuclear weapons i was looked upon with great school by the. peace movement in britain i tried to explain that i was not

a psychopath my friends when i started that's how we are professional military men . who thought free deeply about what we did but i did agree with a nuclear weapon it was an aberration. a big. plank thank you. conscience to do something about it and i can imagine a kind around it's we have. and i just can't imagine and i think i'm certain now so passionate about what he does that it's just said mother rob well it's the ultimate cautionary tale but what do they say it's nothing like called it . from the always tend to overdo it because you really understand you know much of what it's been proposed the pentagon and others will say oh don't worry we have everyone well trained we have plenty of safety systems there can

not be a accidental start of a nuclear war but no fire weapons are built to be used the risk is not zero that something might be going off by mistake specially whether thousand nuclear weapons on hair trigger alert in the us than in russia or the united states has dropped i think it's eleven aplomb make bombs accidentally. we dropped four off of spain we have dropped one a nuclear weapon in a marsh here in the united states and that was still there a number of the nuclear nuclear weapons are such a huge issue with such high risks associated with on that there's a natural tendency to play both sides with the way they say they're coming back but at the same time they maintain extremely high numbers of weapons. really given the

number of near misses we are lucky to still be here right the activists are convinced that an accident is pending ok and that the only valid security system is a total abolition of nuclear weapons and ninety six when we began the project idea there was a stream if you say i'm going to clean you can we can certainly go then everywhere else in the world five going to the world course we could get the conscience of the ordinary citizen around the world saying these are against the moral conscience of people it's illegal to use nuclear weapon tomorrow and the drain was that it would be easy to get it through the u.n. and into the world court and that eventually these weapons were very clear legal as we had done on our own country and thank goodness that we were dreamers and i'm realistic and. but that we were posted by the sense of how this could happen by the real sources of international law apart from treaties customary international law

and the general principles of law recognized by the legal systems of the world. that quite categorical on the banning of nuclear weapons and the legality of nuclear weapons the fact that nuclear weapons cannot be used either by way of a strike or by way of three. you know the most any. threat or use of force. by means of nuclear weapons and that is going to lead to article four of the united nations charter and article fifty one. is unlawful. nucular deter and says we have nuclear weapons but our goal is not to use them if. your goal is to have them at our disposal. this means that we are not in the realm of the real we

are in the realm of the virtual need don't know what you're just reading it is contrary to international law even to add in brands acidulous this weapon because the purpose of the weapon is to use it by that as a threat or as an actual weapon the nuclear powers or alliances like nato still rely on nuclear deterrence which is threat and so the fight continues i was on a panel with a senior advisor to the british government about nuclear policy and he's pro nuclear. and we were debating about. a well court opinion and whether nuclear deterrence was legal and he was extremely cynical he said that . it was a mistake to go into the course but governments will ignore it and that's true they have ns and he of the relied on all the time was he said and of course we never

actually will have to use them and this to me is the heart of the problem for the people who brought you to terms is that if they try to animal abuse and then turns doesn't work we're many would argue that terence does mean it's a sin is a use of nuclear weapons which they threaten to use them and that's when you're into the work or the first time you want to keep it through it you know and listening it was the south pacific noise and the activists that i get to have threesome clued in the original question is if you have a clean threat then the. nuclear states can bargain it well we're only relying terence which is threat and so we're not ready so i waited for him in. return from years ago to go back to the course personnel speech and. at the time the judges agreed unanimously on the requirement for total nuclear disarmament the activists are fighting terror that opinion on it. is based on. what i

understand that they do is another's wanting to do is to use the unanimous part of the opinion and i wanted to say to new zone how can we might that stronger how can we you know what are they doing that state practice that is still illegal. is that your understanding of it isn't that they're looking for some new lever to put more pressure on the stage to comply and design completely not just to reduce new yes but nuclear weapons effects it's reverse since the world court says and the americans particularly come out and said that. they see new roles for nuclear weapons and so we're back to almost like a sort of cold war situation again but with the war on terror instead and so it's going to be far more difficult to get governments to put their heads over the parapet of the nonproliferation treaty those provide

a framework for ending the threat of destruction speech and spoke nuclear we're assigning sinar states they agree to take good faith efforts to a limited nuclear weapons i'm not with that and of course we focus on one of the nations by others those who are like policemen on the world scene i'm talking of the nuclear powers they are violating this very lot which they want other countries to observe now where if a policeman but it's the law you cannot expect the rest of the world to complain but the law of the only thing that would work would be one that is perceived to be nondiscriminatory and fair and equally applied to all countries one approach that has followed these days is you know dividing the world between friends court and court good countries and court and court bad or roll countries or evildoers that approach doesn't work it doesn't take too much to remember that in

the one nine hundred eighty s. babel sand in iraq was a friend of the rest. of. the story but until its inception since the invasion of interact with spur nuclear proliferation and terror. for good reasons and these are the needs of the turn understand. nobody is going to through the united states would. be responsible as much as the rest of the world. from spending so the only reason for turning it. into. the activists are understandably anxious as a result of the nuclear posture review in this classified u.s. military document the security guarantees that protected countries without nuclear weapons against a nuclear offensive are cancelled the strategy of action is being adopted in addition to deterrence so the arsenals must be upgraded to make them easier to use

france and britain have responded with surprising enthusiasm to this nuclear renaissance that the united kingdom is going to pretend that it needs nuclear weapons for its survival or security it was attacking the united kingdom so we have got the very strange idea that because there is terrorists in the world we need to have nuclear weapons can be used nuclear weapons against terrorists and it will that not be rather like shit in most cases with camels i think the british would make a much bigger splash in the history of the world if they decided that they let the program expire we are still fighting the pollie war between britain and france because when i finally cornered. any senior british military man these days and ask him why do you need nuclear

weapons they say every time it's nothing to do with security it's nothing to do with the russians it's due to the french we cannot allow france to be the only european power. and there is this fear that britain will become like resilient if they believe you free they will be of no consequence in the world. even though i do this work i constantly get overwhelmed minute discussion that we were having talking about the reality of next year we put in some three sometimes i just want a list i've had enough. and lose heart at the same time i think. something has to be time and a five minute recess that i can do something i will. now that's generations go out in a middle of the woods and try to said now you know i don't know maybe you guys but

none of the people i speak to a movie night go out there. and then also some different names on how she's doing this song engines you can sign it and i've got a shame. that belonging. has much comes from livestock she's gone and people solidarity emerges from it which i don't think exists so much among young people that it might it just that it's just it's for the invasion of iraq there were millions of people are just dying and still you know there's a million people around and i'm curious story for water so i mean it's not just a really it's you know they're committed to public safety net all the pubs are suddenly going to be a sign you are going to be here and we're going to be very extreme try to trace and i think the mobilization that would occur if the human message here like no one's going away anything is my point because it's kind of a feeling it's still be

a kind of face time. so there. when i was just like a low young people that aspect might be interested in some of these issues but not complacent and that was brown by all of us here is the money or the maid and what do you do. you get to the guards the peace movement can say to humanity you know if you keep spending a trillion dollars a year on weapons of venture you're going to blow everybody up you you know people are dying from these weapons but until we actually see it people don't don't wake up to it. in two thousand and six canadian activists trying to drum up public interest in nuclear disarmament worldwide military expenditures had risen to more than one trillion dollars this was a traumatic event for those who took to the streets during the cold war. the nuclear early night huge problem. the largest and most effective nonviolent peace movement in history and successful m m the united states was moving

towards shore increase in offensive nuclear capacity. that it was forced to back down in favor of the reagan administration was forced to adopt the rhetoric of the peace movement in order to continue with their programs that's where the stormers comes from and we're not planning to attack anyone with interest but to eliminate nuclear weapons if you measure the peace movement by the number of people who march in one thousand nine hundred two their one million marched in central park and new york at the height of the cold war. last year there were forty thousand who marched at the review conference of the nonproliferation treaty well the big difference in numbers true the basic law states organization of for short term significantly but the lesson there is very clear.

about what political reform can change. and to state the importance of nuclear proliferation a very biased one in the house. or a conservative one is surprised to discover a fifteen year old concerned by the outcome of the nonproliferation treaty is name is rafael even though. i just like to say that because of you and your speeches right now serving the. people. i like to play. that's one side i actually found out how bad it was. for different people who really made it clear to me speakers. and scripted scripts. and i watched this and i were very last stage to have a speaker all the way from new york. she is an activist disarmament educator

producer your advisor on the list just keeps going there's never a warm welcome for kathleen. ok the effectiveness of a social movement is sometimes very surprising and hard to track but it also depends on the creativity of the of the social movements themselves in the activist involved with ideas and images and stories and that's why we sailed boats into nuclear tests and they've kind of surmised that all the weapons used in the second world war are equivalent to say three megatons that includes two nuclear weapons used here so you may not a sucky all the bombs in the bullets. that represents all of the firepower of the second world war ok so now i'm going to give you another sound and this second sound is the equivalent firepower of the world's nuclear arsenal today.

the only way forward that would make sense and would stop this nad rush for seeking the capability to make nuclear weapons is for those countries that have

nuclear weapons to find a way to give them up and through life the security of non-nuclear means. but when i say america rushed over the past couple of weeks five or six countries have indicated that they might be interested in the bout of being a capability to enrich uranium australia canada ukraine asics down south africa. these countries have that why should they be left behind canada is interested in a small level of richmond very far away from a nuclear weapons capability but the technology for enrichment nonetheless is the same we sometimes refer to it as latent proliferation you put in place all the technologies to make nuclear weapons but you stop at a much lower level the orders to use part in all this we were third were good and our dedication to peacekeeping as

a percentage of gross domestic product is now dropped down to like. we used to be leading the world in the battle against nuclear proliferation and we were little leading countries in the world in the battle against the weaponization of space canada has very little space in which to. make progress because it's a number of measures later it's a neutral alliance it's like nothing i've signed on to which clearly canadian foreign policy the best policy military policy is going to change dramatically and we canadians are big trouble in terms of birth historical commitment to peace and disarmament. everything is in place to proceed with disarmament one hundred eighty eight countries committed to disarm they said the shining message that goodwill could prevail but so far the governments choose to spend billions protecting this terminal threat rather than fighting poverty or global warming. the

future generations heirs to the thousands of bombs be as lucky as their parents will be live without seeing a nuclear explosion either by accident or by design maybe maybe not. but until the treaties and international law are. made upon being.

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