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all right is time for tonight's told i warded tonight it goes to a past where twenty twelve presidential candidate herman cain has seen a stop in the race for the g.o.p. nomination improved in recent weeks but was spot is believe that he's not going to be the nominee he's still on the campaign trail shaking hands and looking for possible votes and polling pretty damn well ok it was in tennessee on thursday when he was asked about a new boss is being built in murfreesboro and what out hesitation he launched into the g.o.p. typical talking points when it comes to muslims and is not ok and said it is an infringement and amuse of our freedom of religion and i don't agree with what's hot

. because this isn't an innocent nazi now this came into refresher course on the constitution and religion the document that our founding fathers came up with more than two hundred thirty five years ago guaranteed everybody the freedom to practice the religion of their choice without interference from the government just because cain likes to spread islam phobia doesn't mean it is law and is not a religion in fact there are about one point five billion muslims worldwide it was the second largest religion it's the fastest growing religion in the world so how can hurricanes they even allowing somebody to practice their blog is an infringement and an abuse of his freedom of religion i think he's a little bit confused here but should we really be surprised about cain's latest offensive remark about islam he has made some off the wall comments about muslims and for he's made them several times in the last few months actually just this week in iowa in progress asked cain about a comment he made about muslims serving in his cabinet if he were to be elected president and he said you wouldn't believe this and you're going to be exclusive to

your position that was a mistake that i made right now if you. get my response was not because. the preacher was almost to tears but a lot of the church of those who are just a few of those would like. it kind of sounds like cain is trying to rewrite history here take a look at an interview also with think progress from may we came was asked if he would allow a muslim in his cabinet or point when as a judge. you just walk. the streets in the two. to gradually. in the most you'll see our government. so what is your stance or maintain please make up your mind now if you just google herman cain the word muslim believe me you will read a quote after quote about his views on islam and how he's so scared the sharia laws

here in the us and mind the fact that he's never seen a case of sharia law being dragged as year but gave his g.o.p. buddies love to fear monger and scare white folks of islamophobia because that seems to be a winning ticket with their voters every time and also wins herman cain so it's tools i work. now we often talk about the bloated defense budget on this show the massive amounts of wasted money being thrown to projects with no sense of logic contracts the run over budget over time end up taking decades to complete and costing you the taxpayer millions if not billions of dollars so today let's get into a few specifics the jail t.v. it's a vehicle it's currently being billed by partnership of all your usual defense contractors to replace the hummer and the purchase price for each vehicle with our without armor already quitman just the chassis is three hundred thousand dollars minimum now once you add some armor than that price takes it right up to six hundred thousand dollars per vehicle on all the initial purchase price for the entire fleet

is about sixty billion dollars and then when you add in lifecycle maintenance costs the vehicle is going to tax the american tax. because the american taxpayer roughly three hundred billion that sounds expensive and it sounds really really fancy or apparently there's one other giant problem according to our guest tonight he doesn't meet a single requirement for use in combat as stipulated by the army so what's wrong with it and why the hell is this project still on here to discuss this with me is not the zeller former u.s. army captain thanks so much for being here tonight thanks for having me now i know this is something that you're riled up about a need it really angry because it's alvin a huge waste of money and it is tell me exactly what's wrong with this thing why didn't it work show the army. when they actually make a new vehicle has an entire office of people that i wedged lee will sit down to write the basic requirements and i have four wheels and several combustion engine minimal amount of margaret cetera and then it says ok once you've built the thing

it has to be able to survive certain types of explosions go up and down hills at certain degrees and cetera but all of a ship and then they go in they build a few prototypes and they put it through its paces well what they found out after the initial testing of all the prototypes is that none of them actually meet all the exposure. stipulated by the armor and that the weight ratio that would be required to do it made the vehicle to have it for transport airplanes so the army went back and revised the requirements that they stipulated in the contract so that the current prototypes would actually meet future requirements as written in requirements but there's just been lowered a few wrong yes but basically we lowered the standard and so we're going to be getting a vehicle as it's currently made that will simply not be as protective as it necessarily needed to be and not meet the type of things that the army wanted to see of a vehicle that was ultimately going to cost about three hundred billion dollars to build so who exactly is building and when you see how we say that it's your typical defense contractors out there who's responsible for having

a set of requirements and then building something that doesn't it's into those requirements so ever so this is where it gets fascinating it's companies like the northrop grumman those types of enterprises there's a couple that are working as a team in agreement there are others they're working another team agreement kind of in competition which so ridiculous about this is that a review a call a couple years ago general motors basically got bailed out by the american taxpayer yeah right well the reason why these vehicles cost so much for these defense contractors is because they don't actually usually make vehicles so when it comes time to actually building these things they often go out and build a factory and they have to build all the robotics for the factory and staff it manage and they only use it for one purpose building a vehicle and then they tear it all down and so in the contract they write out how much it's going to cost to build a factory put the robotics and employ all those people and then actually tear all that down and sell it off and the government has to pay for that well what's been saying about this is why don't we just use general motors to do this we already own

them as a company general motors needs work we did this during world war two with tanks and everything we basically asked the u.s. auto industry to put its people to work building our supply materials that we could do this again but we're not we're with this and that's kind of my plan but then you run into the problem of. you know creating work where normally there would be not and so then you just perpetuate this military industrial complex even further because then you have people that are dependent on a continuing and expanding defenses and continuing strikes because the well that's the only thing i have to build we'll invest in other projects that's what president eisenhower warned actually as his farewell address was the idea of this military industrial complex and so what i want to talk about and i want to highlight this issue is it just shows how broken the defense procurement process is this is a long one in the list of programs that we've we've spent billions on the army spent forty billion dollars on an artillery system that ultimately did not buy it spent forty billion dollars on

a stealth helicopter that it ultimately did not buy that's eighty billion dollars actually spent they've built prototypes of everything they're going to field and then they are canceled so this is it shows you just how broken the procurement run claim or do you blame members of congress who perhaps are perswaded very easily by lobbyist to come from these defense contractors because they say we're going to build a factory in your town that's right for my work for your constituents and that's going to be a big thumbs up for you or do you blame it on the people at the pentagon. combination of both who are that combination of both in congress is for example the thirty five there is two different variants of it and they decided one of the variants had a really expensive engine that they didn't need they were going to get rid of it and that was the defense apart and they said we don't want this well congress keeps throwing it back and so i blame congress and that type of instance but in this instance with the jail t.v. it's the army's procurement office of the four hundred plus people who work there there's only one guy who has an engineering degree and it's a nuclear engineering is not an automotive engineering supervisor people who don't

even understand the basic concepts of building an automobile writing a proposal that says hey listen it needs to meet these spec requirements ok now this might be a silly question forgive me if it is but let's why do we need a replacement for the hummer that's what's wrong with what we already have the hummer has a serious design flaw. and we found out in iraq and afghanistan and that basically the bottom hole separates when there's an explosion and people get sandwiched inside and die which is why we're fielding em around because then rats have a v. shaped hole and so the idea was well the en route was not an actual procurement process it wasn't something that the army went out so we're going to design this from scratch and make it fit all our future needs it was a deal that a vehicle that already existed the south africans had developed it for use in the ngo and more and so we wouldn't just by existing models and then put a bunch of them forward because we need to protect soldiers and sailors and marines lives and afghanistan and iraq and there are a few interesting details if you talk about the m rapid as well that also shows how incompetent and broken our entire system is i hear that basically they are allowed

to write their own contract yes all of the pentagon what to do so the contractor the end of that is a company called s c i c it's one of the large defense and intelligence contractors and they were sending people in iraq and afghanistan to literally oversee the government personnel who were supposed to be in charge of them and it just came out this week that they were actually reprimanding and disciplining those government personnel which is very illegal and more importantly they were the ones who are in charge of writing the read that when the government wants to go out and award a contract that has already been awarded if they see you know it's five year period after that five years they have to repeat it out well the s.a.i.c. people were the ones who actually wrote the rebate and then were the ones who advised the government on who they should pick to alternately why that is surprise surprise that it was and i said yeah i think we could i think probably speak for the call hour not for a days about example after example of these projects you think that that's going to change anytime soon can leon panetta take any of that i hold it up i hope so his

marching orders apparently are to be you know slash four hundred billion off the defense department's budget and if you look at just an example between the army and the marines in the lead up to the iraq war the army took a thirteen million dollar chemical warfare detection system with them that did not work it had a bunch of false positives a lot of u.s. army soldiers throwing on their chemical warfare protection equipment when they didn't need to because they thought there was an incoming attack from saddam's forces the marines took canaries. when you start a force of resources it forces them to be very very smart and how they spend their money well we'll see we'll see if they actually have any success in terms of making you'll be smart with their money but of course there are a lot of jobs and a lot of money for congress that's right thank you and say about thanks so much for joining thank you so much for having me. so sad we have our fireside friday and i wake up the weekend with happy hour talks news believe the media is being unfair in the coverage of the hacking scandal in the u.k. and the a.c.l.u. and federal government are battling over top secret documents concerning afghan detainees just enough to. ensure that all

we are military mechanisms to do the work to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. but i would characterize obama as the charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's some other part of it and realize that everything is just you don't. charge the big picture.

let's not forget that we are in the fourth quarter. i think. well. we have the government says they're going to keep him safe get ready because of the freedom.

to tonight's by inside with your host. this week the war in libya continued on and became even more of a murky wired and that's the wall in a world tour hillary clinton stopped in istanbul to meet with representatives from nato nations and there she announced that the u.s. will now officially recognize the libyan rebel rebels of the legitimate interim government of the country also includes freeing up about thirty billion dollars in assets for those rebels to use a cyber recognizing that the rebels those nations meeting in turkey undoubtedly will come to no conclusion about what to do other than to keep fighting keep hoping that all market off he steps down or at the end of the day. but nobody knows yet how this situation is going to aunt but there's one thing that's become very clear

if it every single day more people are losing their lives and by people i mean those civilians that the u.s. and nato nations are supposedly there to save or protect the a humanitarian mission the nato has denied reports in libya's inspector general this week that over a thousand civilians have perished i don't blame them for not believing what libya is trying to sell but there's no question that people are dying the. i'm is that we just don't know exactly how many there are let's put this recognition of the rebels by the us into perspective is the this week c.j. chivers of the new york times reported those same at libyan rebels that we're supporting training funding and assisting and they're looting villages they are burning homes of those who are loyal to gadhafi forces and the thing that really got me in that whole report is that china has made it seem like don't worry could obvious forces are still worse oh isn't that something we've involved ourselves in a civil war pick the side one that's not organized it's chaotic who we don't know

well apparently for the better of two evils to something not seem utterly wrong to everyone else here this is what happens when you get your country involved in a conflict that you don't belong in and has nothing to do with you and in reality you probably end up making worse now meanwhile let's not forget about the accuracy here let's not forget that it's taken until this week for the u.s. to finally say out loud that assad is becoming da vinci tonight despite the fact that people have been dying in syria for months at the hands of his forces go back to libya to give you another little tidbit of information that came out this week british forces admitted that they're running out of military targets to hit they're running out because they bombed a majority of them because gadhafi isn't so stupid as to only do use military targets he's a sick man that's going to exploit civilians and use them as shields that he needs to use and i just wonder how long that's going to hold out but i wonder how long before nato forces decide to do this means we need to troops on the ground because well striking civilian targets from the air just would look right at being

a humanitarian intervention at all and nobody's going to complain if they just step beyond the rules of the u.n. resolution anyway i hope we don't see that happen but we need to do is we need to keep the pressure on and make the back of politicians in the u.s. have their heads so far up their asses right now having a fake debate over the debt ceiling all the attention has turned away from the illegal actions of the president they got us involved in this war in the first place i want a perfect. strategy becomes so distracted by putting the country on the brink of a deep balls of course everything looks minuscule in comparison but it doesn't have to be that way we don't have to be on the edge of default we don't have to be talking about cutting social programs well and leaving defense on touch and we sure as hell don't have to be fighting and fix conflicts around the world six just think afghanistan iraq pakistan yemen somalia libya it's too much it's unnecessary it's not smart it's creating more damage and destruction and death around the world and i have to stop.

trying to it's friday and it's time for happy hour and joining me tonight is our team producer jenny churchill and my craig says the editor at reason magazine and reason dot com so obviously we have been covering some of the murdoch scandal for you asking if this could be the end of the empire but the funny thing is that everyone has been covering this except for fox news for the most part and here is them trying to explain why it's really not that big of a deal. and the company has come forward and they've said look this happened a long time ago at a tabloid in london somebody did something really bad and the company reacted the closer newspaper all those people got fired even though ninety nine percent of them absolutely had nothing to do with and for mystique and the murder coolidge's has

apologized but for some reason the public media keeps going over the score again and again. that isn't so bad i think i mean can you imagine if box news was all over some story and let's say they were doing something about the president now he's a muslim and he came out and apologized to people and that's very i've been lying this whole time about my religion where they just let it go but they don't get over it so i'd call it grounds for impeachment but i have problems with that segment one of them is that all those people getting fired in the paper getting shuttered was murdoch still exist he did not have to do that he could have waited for an investigation he could have let rebecca brooks who was the head of news of the world take the fall i think that shows you that he knew what was going on and the second part of that is actors go to jail for like a long time like nobody you know could say sorry for doing that you don't consider sorry for stealing you don't say sorry for the other stuff they're punishments you know what i mean you know i when you murder someone you just say sorry and everyone gets over it that's just how it works. but i mean honestly in the later in the clip

they talk about all the hacking that's going on in this hacking is really getting out of control i know it's part of a larger issue you know i'm sorry this is not the same this is you hiring a private not an organization hiring a private investigator to go snooping on people that's not even close to the same as like low security in anonymous and all but one of the f.b.i. is looking into it which i think rightly so they are i think it's great i am curious to see where this all goes because murdoch has just seemed like this all powerful media mogul first so so long i wonder if this could take a little or maybe early to start speculating totally but we'll see now also during this weekend. there is this big gathering going on of all these elites and it's a nails only club and it's called the bohemian grove and it's something that there are media has actually been reporting on for years and decades take a look at small clips every year on the early around the country got together and want to have on

a game so people say with this much power and this much money located in one place there is more to the whole give me and club and campfires and the new way the stated reasons for the demonstration were the connections of the clubs members to nuclear weapons research by political and business deals made there and the exclusion of women from membership inside the compound there have been persistent rumors about closet homosexuality. there in love the rumors about it was a story we did a couple weeks ago and so it was accused of homosexuality let me get into i get accused of something like that but. anyway you did since you don't know if you look it is just prison in a funny way right i mean especially when you have people like that the stories that came out today did not mention that alex jones the slightly not so radio host from austin has been he's been going about this i'm sorry he has been treated for he has been cleaned out spears people have complained about tons of other meetings and i think what they're missing here is that like horrible decisions and crimes against

humanity if you want to call some of them like war horrible citizens get made have bars they get made private dinners or a lobbyist or they get made almost no sinister when you have an illegal rupert's together for two and a half weeks who knows maybe some very speculative satirizing want to stick you with us and she came alone and i were to tell offer to weeks every year not tell anyone what we were doing and call it like i don't even know in college i would be carrying. a day i'd be done through watching as that is what he's a very talented artist but it was started after the civil war is now it has about twenty four excuse me five thousand twenty four hundred members among those are every republican. president supposedly since one thousand twenty three cabinet official c.e.o. of major companies banks oil company executives i mean this it's not just about a bunch of believe getting together this is about all of that who loses and it isn't supposed to be going on when you talk about why government and corporate powers and wall street all are working for each other and this revolving door

that's what the problem is all supposedly all the republican candidates are chosen there and not only that he manhattan project was there too so. you're hearing a lot of why you look at look at some of the corruptions we've had in government tom de lay did not work out his deals with indian casinos had a huge campground ok in texas and california he people do this in small groups they do in big groups conspicuously conspiracy i said another major no not him it actually is very curious they released a whole video let's take a look. we must know. our government officials to meet with c. of large companies military contractors oil companies and to big banks without the direct consent of the people without transparency. it is a wonder of anonymous to be able to dig something up and then stop all the conspiracy theories from don't know if you have a shot up a day early just not they got the date i'm fairly certain some members started

protesting and they came a day early let's move on to god this is so so ridiculous the story i think are very well how i feel about the incessant coverage of the casey anthony trial and because of that coverage this is what's now happening to people. listening to her baby's mouth this is going to stop the crap and they get blackmail says damon followed her around her truck causing it to flip two and a half times she says she never talked with her attacker but believes she was targeted because people tell her she resembles casey anthony oakley's reports i'm going to tell you exactly why that woman was attacked and this woman is the reason for it but let me just. bring tonight. he was with me here a little the woman who maybe looks like he and he's being attacked in her garb you

were saying you were her babies you know i mean we have to be clear here she did have a daughter named caylee and it was really confusing that's really just really had a lot of i don't want to. call laurie it could be her that we know. maybe grazes not yet what oh yeah you know you look at art i don't buy that i don't buy that it's a very sad some really in some areas some really stupid people are actually saying oh so are you going to be this way you know she did like told me jump off a cliff alone i'm not going to do it ok you know but i mean really helping out come on. the point is like nancy grace is like a despicable human being who is kind of entertaining but like this isn't her fault this isn't her fault this is the fault of like somebody is bad parents ok i'm going to say i need nancy grace bell in i'm going was really rude and whoever watches are actually listens to her is that fault which unfortunately people are you guys are going to wrap it up have a great weekend that's a pretty nice show thanks for tuning in and make sure that you can back on monday not well from reason magazine if you're joining us for another dose of happy hour

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people are dying from these weapons but until we actually see if people don't wake up to nuclear weapons or a bill. that represents all the firepower of the second world war this. is the equivalence of firepower of the world's nuclear arsenal today.