cut it out already though i wait with the wrong bolt insert is jamie weinstein and a mcdaniel helper along with liberal tommy christopher all join me in the ring after the break. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think rock. on well. we never got that says the keep things safe get ready because their freedom.

you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here see some other part of it and realize everything you saw you don't i'm sorry there's a big. fight . for.

it but it's time for tonight's big picture rumble a look back at the week's biggest stories tonight i'm joined in the studio by daniel helper deputy online editor the weekly standard tommy christopher media correspondent white house reporter at media right dot com and jamie weinstein senior editor at the daily caller let's get started guys. started five days attends meetings the president finally says that's it throws a rib audio out thirty six thirty six hour deadline to you know go back come back let's see what we can work out and making clear that if the debt ceiling isn't raised that the very least that will happen is arguably what happened in the last year the carter administration we had a half

a point rise in interest rates the lasted for almost a decade as a consequence of that just a little tiny after a one hundred twenty million dollar default and he says you know that will have the same impact as a tax hike and it presumably would tim geithner had this to say about this. we looked at all of the. sions and we have no way to give congress more time to solve this problem and we're running out of time and the eyes of the country are on us and the eyes of the world around us and we can make sure we stand together and send a definitive signal it we're going to take the steps necessary to avoid default and also take advantage of this opportunity to make some progress in dealing with our long term fiscal problems we don't have much time it's time we so daniel do you hear fiddling as america burns i hear urgency but that's not what i see the more i think about it i mean we've been talking about this on this show for a couple months and you've thought that there was a going to be

a good deal and i've said of course there's going to be a deal and now the more i think about it the more i think there's not going to be a deal but i think it's because that's what president obama wants i think he wants a fight i think he's getting the fight that he wants that's why does he keep saying i think i'm here to compromise sources here because my what is what is he trying of course that's what he's saying but what i'm trying to do he's trying to raise taxes this he's trying to raise taxes with and without keeping in mind that the democratic but their house they rather have said we'll let you do that with the democrats at the house of representatives they voted to maintain the current tax rate same with the senate and president obama signed up the want and now all of a sudden it's up for debate in a republican house that's insane and i think president obama played this thing beautifully. played it like a poker hand and people are saying so by calling bross he can call it what he's not making up what he's check raising for republicans but he knew all along that the ceiling was not something that we were going to mess with so he knew that you want

to talk about some lies he messing with that he would not he is messing with he's saying i'm ready to make a deal because you know he's not ready to make a deal the public are offered a deal and he's offering a deal that they want to interview him or do drugs has no particular problems they are going. to be mr optimism here you know i was a little nervous early. today i didn't get the i was going to happen but you know after actually watching his press conference again and listening to republicans i actually think this is just their version of the rumble that we do every night they're going back and forth and they'll eventually get a deal however you know the president now let's have his big package with taxes where was he when the commission simpson bowles commission came back with a report on a tax and some bowles commission and come back with a report you think you know they didn't we should recommendations there was a cap the way to page two out of commission did not issue recommendations it was a majority were no minority report there were several there was a majority report with tax recommendations but it is using the word legal for them to be legal in this area i mean the other is nothing illegal about the organization of it was that they wouldn't have

a report put forward that would be taken seriously by anybody unless it was you know it was and it was well you know he could still act on his own plan he didn't put forward any serious tax plan i think you could have a deal on going on taxes to lower rates and close loopholes i think the deal is there you know who supports it paul ryan it was in it's in his you know plan for prosperity like this is the president what is it i don't hear that yeah thirty thirty seconds you know i was going to say where were the republicans who thought up the debt commission the deficit commission when it came time to work why did obama have to do. an executive order for me if i'm from mike where you are the republicans when it comes time to do anything when they came out of it it's that we're going to be embracing all sure that it was not go forward and you know let's tommy thompson says that they're not playing poker then why why is president obama saying don't call my bluff because nothing because he's loving it has always been very good i suppose that's a damn scary question and he sees take one for a ride and you know what he might actually that is his biggest platform and then. out of there as well but we got to move along here on the here although it's

related to this in the heels of moody's saying that they might downgrade as s. and p. came out yesterday i guess it was and we've got the there the graphic of this is that owing to the dynamics of the political debate on the debt ceiling there's at least a one in two likelihood that we could lower. the long term rating in the u.s. within the next ninety days i mean you now they went on to say by the way that if if basically the republicans don't stop playing like children and saying no no no no no we're going to hold our breath in the house of representatives and you know that's not what they said they went on to say this they would on this say that unless there's a quote credible solution to the rising u.s. government debt burden now which party has introduced a play and that's credible in that deals with the debt burden the long term you have the ryan plan on ron klain actually increases the deficit so it does not you have there i play it on the republican side short term i think everybody would rather go play if they have not introduced to play it in the short atmosphere in the short term plan or increase the deficit because that's the nature of these

things the president's budget does as well paul ryan's plan does it by far less and gets to a stable position as a quite quick actually put much quicker a budget that is what my balance the budget within my point is and doesn't cut it my point has always been this fall of the courage and the person who has been in front putting his neck on the line is a whole ryan by putting something that is politically unpopular and putting out something that is necessary to solve our problems what is the president done that is politically unpopular putting out there putting our neck on the wrong issues there my god it doesn't mean it's good that's so you know it's like bush saying i don't throw polls they don't do something smart they're going to look at this i mean it's good but it also means that they're saying it was like the old ladies off the bridge what is he doing they're not putting on an alternative version it's a third rail of politics you don't go after medicare and medicaid because they don't want to be don't want to face the wrath of the o.t. the legal resident has actually done that i mean that's the thing i do see that on my radio show all day like he said he's willing to compromise his will he's done in the sixty's do it because it's not something when it's you know something. like

listen to you to get a decision you guys aren't giving anything to get on a give yourself this is one of the republicans aren't giving up anything so you go you guys are like well let's see what your best offer is this number just over you know this is we're not we're not going to go off we're going we're in how we got to this point we got to this point because there was a clean debt ceiling vote up for. vote in the house of representatives and it failed miserably and shout about it not go not just republicans almost half the day right had to do a single time early voters here as you know it was ronald reagan was president when i asked her why she was still president and george which we provided almost half true as i said we would go to sort of a state that is like what the what the republicans giving up as if by coming out and saying they're willing to take on medicare medicaid they are they are doing something for themselves no they're they're making their election prospects much less because of the better traditionally very popular programs but they are doing so because they think it is necessary for the solvency of the country but no they're doing it because they're fulfilling a decades long campaign to destroy medicare and social security but that's not the way we want it contrary this is the first time for grabs in the history of the

republican party that the republicans are actually accepting medicare and saying medicare is something that we want to keep we want to keep around but this is what so many think it was a show says. oh you see the silencers it is a we want to keep it in your book but this is how we have to keep it we have to reform or should long term what is what is paul ryan gaining by putting these proposals on the table and going after medicare he's gaining lots and lots of money from billionaires he's going to be very well maybe get a billionaires get on aids today he he had been standing up defiant saying you know i've we did nothing wrong and today he visited milly what's her name's the teenage girl in britain visited her family and apologized he came out and showed shame when he came out of the meeting he published an apology for what's going on eight news corp employees have been arrested les hinton today the c.e.o. of dow jones a guy who's been with rupert murdoch for thirty forty years resigned might be going

to jail i mean it's possible that he perjured himself before before parliament twice he was the chairman of news international from ninety five to two thousand and seven so is the handwriting on the roll on the wall and and if so can we at the very least if it doesn't go down can we have them at least take the. news out of fox news. i mean british tabloids are notoriously sleazy and i would be surprised if you don't find other tabloids who engage in a sleazy being a good york post what is your i mean whatever it is that if they did something illegal to get i get a say in an article but frankly no surprise there it's about that they get that something you legal that they got information and they publish it were the average of the new york times publishing wiki leaks documents sorry i have far more problem of them publishing those legal documents which they eat legally and then when i do you have these so you know i want you know i'm not going to even think it was right let's say you know you don't mind watching it with you wait a minute did you write me saying it's cool to publish the the intimate muscle ory

of nine eleven victims or i think it was cool of like there are children but it's not a good thing to publish the secrets of a government that is condoning rhyno both are morally reprehensible one is far worse and that's what we do in your time speed with weekly leads and nobody comments like you disgusting point what the taboo did was awful and he should condemn it but in terms of long term consequences to a nation in it because of good not only wiki leaks but new york times has published several things that were not illegal that the bush administration did but they were helping in the war on terror after the bush administration begged him not to because it would stop these programs from going on and alert the terrorists that was far worse than the national security tommies this is the strategy all together any time we talk about murdoch let's talk about the new york times yeah i know. more than to be able to get back to your original question i think that the thing with fox news is that they've already got this sort of car compartmentalise organization where you can within fox news they draw the line between opinion side and the news side and so i think fox news viewers are going to be able to draw the

line between what happened in great britain and fox news so i don't think it's unheard that there has unit of actions by those who are you know in this case i saw a report on it this morning that argues that we finally started quick you're not you have you're not seeing it like you are the new york times just having a day over because. finally their main competitor rupert murdoch who owns the wall street journal yeah they're being paid what a bunch of george speight we're not getting there george i'm just saying it's not it's not there is no hey it's a big half over there is to wouldn't do we are so pleased that morley he's done what they did it's not morally consistent editorial line. i mean it's all look i think what he did is awful but the idea that this is a major news story in new york times what it's what happens the british tabloid industry i mean that's you know they're not i mean i visited conservative les hinton who was running the wall street journal apparently is the guy who was running this i mean he was running that institution in great britain before he came over you know honest i've never had to do something about it because it's on the

legal should be should be they should be prosecuted the full extent of the lobby question is might my point is that i'm being morally consistent i think that it's like just as the people that work for rupert murdoch should be should be prosecuted the full extent of the law so should the people the new york times for birds alone and they should be prosecuted to the to the time we're back with russian classified information but going back to fox one of fox's favorites is michele bachmann michele bachmann her husband has been denying the hundreds of thousands of dollars that they get from medicare to help pray away the gay is actually about praying away the gay well today he came out in a radio interview and said yeah we will pray away the gay with that all these federal funds that we get but that my wife trashes both the american psychological association the american psychiatric association is that praying away the gay not only doesn't work it can do harm to people and and you know so does my michele bachmann really believe that she can be the that her husband can be the first husband when this is his gig i would prefer to help him as he is

a long standing patient of mr bachmann to give his girls a positive but what a slight if. that's all you have to say you know i mean this is all this is not good obviously not good for a presidential campaign it's obviously going to be so good but you know what people are not looking to him to look at not even right wing paper. serious people are not looking to hurt people always the people are not how do i not get out of my friend and frankly you're saying what i said how my not the gay want to frankly offended. now that i'm a southern good they have it all irish it's obviously it's all going to be not good for her presidential campaign to have this come out i mean it's not like an industry that you want your spouse to be in if you're running for office i mean both of you for a candidate he's not i mean well michelle michelle obama i mean all the there were a clinton they don't they have their sort of pet projects but it's only overseas and being in the business is there not because i mean he's a harder and there's a part of his own there is not just him i don't think people are going to run a good race clinic i think she run i just don't think people are going to be that

concerned about i think old are you going to come down as you would be good for our polls right comes down to president obama has led this economy to nine point two percent unemployment and what can another candidate can for us and michele bachmann is able to articulate a better position about jobs in the economy than barack obama has just as currently presented michele bachmann a winner brucknell list that's all i don't think it has to do with these little things yes going to her for a couple days might hurt her with some credibility with people like tom who wouldn't support her anyway so what not such a big deal but i agree with you that it's going to hurt people who are going to want her to help her probably with her brother in the republican primaries but can you just say that one part again or we can see it but i always as bachmann will win because i want to make that my money which i have discussed it on this show before i think bachmann has the clearest path to victory of any republican in this incident where they're not as rich as you know where and how does this relate to the in the caller's right i said if she can present a better position than barack obama that's and if people could be unusual in a segment of this knowledge example ok let's i would like to actually should shift

topics considerably here for a moment the d.c. court of appeals today said that the t.s.a. violated federal law when they installed the chertoff or no scanners in the form of scanners in the airports around here without first notifying the public and seeking public feedback but that's that's the log. that's the rule they didn't order the t.s.a. to stop radiating people and peeping at their privates but they did say you've got to do something consistent with this in the meantime and ninety four year old wheelchair wheelchair bound florida woman says that she had to stand up for ten minutes in one of these porno scanners while he patted her down very early and a woman in seattle said that she was pulled aside for a pat down of her curly hair before going through the porno scanner so how much do we have to and then donald rumsfeld today that's i was a little those of us but. yes rest of the pictures of him getting patted down this discussion that i go see that was actually a code pink citizen's arrest right well the obvious is going to say someone

actually probably is responsible for more deaths than outside and that's an entity look this guy some how much more you know how did were we say that before we say the o.t.s. is a security theater is not making us safe although it is making michael chertoff a millionaire look i am happy that if you all want to get patted down and not go to the scanner old make it much easier path for me to get through the airport scanners obviously these ridiculous state things where they're patting down ninety four year old women are absurd to sort of the cancer goes through with their whether it was or resigned last year it wizards behind the t.s.a. probably could do a better job with picking out who are necessary to get these pat downs just like anybody who relies so this isn't shared offs policy this is charles says a lot of israelis think this is you know and it's president obama and his t.s.a. chief which are buying them in which they're using them so let's just be clear on that point i'm not saluting and i don't have such a problem with them personally i went through one the other week and you know i if

they want to see it i don't have anything to hide but the cancer shows up in ten or fifteen years we'll see we'll talk then amounts but i did something nice and going overseas but i do know that we are just i think the larger point is that they're not doing adequate job security and don't run so it has some of the deepest. state secrets in his mind and you know it he has some of the. income here he's getting the pat down also i mean that's it's insane i mean. well that's your point and we had to just say i thought you were saying they were gathering as minders on the rumsfeld getting ok last question quick fire this is just you know one sentence yeah i keep asking people this and i could not get an answer can any one of the three of you name one shared sacrifice that the republicans are offering that they put on the table sure indeed in the ryan budget there they will that means testing social security and medicaid which would mean that wealthy people would not get the money to put in chris cuomo so the wealthy people lose a thousand dollars and i think i read somewhere that there was a writer proposed that they would write their cigars with five dollar bills on her

car because that's that's a pretty big yeah that's actually look at the talk on the table now that there can be two trillion dollars cuts i think most republicans want six trillion they want a whole budget they were able to hold deficit seem to be paid off so and so i think lenny the structure of the american middle class is there is there is there sure it's on the contrary you know here's what i want i think i think they're sharing their shared sacrifice and they're willing to for now compromise on something less than what they want what are the democrats what's around what if the democrats will sacrifice by giving you what have the democrats offered as far as shared sacrifice because they're talking about yeah i would i want to know was why your people in the rest of america who have lost their homes in their jobs and their wages and access asked to sacrifice everything we already did our part. i mean there's an eighty five percent cuts fifteen percent revenue which they should be the other way around anything but you won't get a budget deal that's right exactly so it's only about fairness now it was basically

even when you were going to let us hold you guys on the finish line feasible but even if we get to that fifteen percent that's not fair either are you sick of obama saying it is right for you to get on the exact million and millionaires and billionaires a hundred percent you still wouldn't feel the deficit problem that's that's the old yes that's. right no i haven't read the progressive budget proposal the progressive carcasses of the rich but you'll be amazed james tommy daniel thanks so much but i thought bridget after the break i daily take on the real life expectancy of medicare and what needs to be done to sustain that while. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions to break through it through to be made who can you trust no one who is human view with a global missionary see where we had a state controlled capitalism that's called sessions when nobody dares to

ask what we do our t. question more. last night i shared with you how right wingers and the news media they influence have been predicting the collapse of the medicare insurance program ever since it

was created in the summer of one thousand nine hundred sixty five by lyndon johnson as part of his great society program here's an example that i shared with you from the washington post on march sixth one thousand nine hundred three senate budget committee chairman republican pete domenici warned of the nation's governors the other day medicare to me bankrupt in two and a half years and the subway is found to put the brakes on its burgeoning costs and this one from the new york times in january twenty second one nine hundred eighty nine the phone that pays all government reimbursement for hospital care of medicare patients is projected to become insolvent in the next decade or so in fact there's a long history of predicting that medicare is going to go broke any minute the new york times continued that tradition wednesday of this week by writing officials have said that the program which provides health care to people sixty five and older is not sustainable in its current form really fortunately the real

economists over at the center for economic and policy research noticed that and wrote in their beat the press blog this is not true there is no as in zero none official documentation that says that the program is not sustainable its current form there are official documents that show the program will need additional revenue at some point the a c. a passed by congress last year though reduce the projected shortfall in the program by more than seventy five percent while the a c. a fixed medicare last year what's the a.c.l.u.'s but actually it's usually called obamacare by republicans the rest of the country knows it as the affordable care act. and it did largely fix medicare which is why the congressional budget office published this graph last year showing in the dotted lines where medicare was going before obamacare and in the solid lines where medicare is going now

yes the president has fixed medicare in fact it's even more astounding than that as the folks over at the center for economic and policy research pointed out as it stands the projected shortfall of the program's seventy five year planning horizon is less than zero point four four tenths of one percent of g.d.p. this is less than one quarter of the cost of the wars in iraq and afghanistan and the wars in iraq and afghanistan have been going on for ten years and they cost four times more than all the seventy five year projections for shortfalls in medicare and another point when you look at your paycheck you'll see it's a fight headed dutch and if i see it that induction for medicare and social security fica is also known as the payroll tax because everybody even if you only are in a few thousand dollars a year everybody pays it but consider this the name f i see a stands for federal

insurance contributions act insurance yes insurance the real name of social security is the old age survivors and disability insurance program and that insurance program was amended in one thousand sixty five to include health care insurance in what we call medicare insurance social security and medicare are insurance programs that insure all of us against poverty and illness and old age so whenever any politician refers to them they should include the word insurance as in are thinking of cutting the benefits in the medicare insurance program. you see these are not welfare programs they're insurance programs and as such they shouldn't be turned into welfare programs by being means tested so that they're only available to poor people because as bill clinton showed us when he bragged that he had ended welfare as we know it it's easy

to cut things for poor people and tragically it can even be politically popular even a democrat can get away so let's once and for all stop the stupidity and all the demagoguery their insurance programs we all pay into and they're not going broke and balancing the nation's budget by cutting medicare instead of the pentagon is just wrong end the wars and heal americans pass it up as the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered visit our websites of thom hartmann dot com free speech dot org dot com also check out our two youtube channels there are links to thom hartmann dot com this entire show is also available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a free thom hartmann i phone and i pad app in the app store he did so this feedback a twitter autonomy score are on facebook at tom underscore of our blogs message boards a telephone comment line of tom hartman died and no forget the mock receive begins

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