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i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i think taxes. but i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and hear see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok and you don't i'm trying hard luck comes a big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right here.
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all right it's time for show and tell on tonight's program now last time we told you the wired magazine to finally release the alleged old shot logs between bradley manning adrian lamo but now the details of those conversations are out in the open and you're wondering if wired should have released the child logs a lot earlier so let's go to producer patrice and the sensi to find out what you have to say. so. kevin posting a huge story the alleged full chat logs between him and bradley manning and wired magazine well they chose to only publish excerpts until recently so by the time they have released the full logs more than a year had passed now it turns out limo told manning that talking to him was like talking to a journalist and worse yet told him it was like talking to a priest so he promised he would be treated either as a confession or an interview neither to be published so for the past year all of us
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reporting and following the story had no idea what wired was concealing by the way it looks like now either come imposing an x. factor himself genuinely believe that pieces of this chat were personal or a matter of government security as he claimed or he was just trying to protect his longtime associate and source adrian lamo when we asked you for your comments no one seemed very happy with how wired magazine handled the situation miles lacy well he said they should have released earlier so that everyone knew what the heck they were talking about when it came to discussing the manning case yeah i'm sure the department of justice what are great furious maxwell he told us yes it was definitely a disappointment they didn't release the chart logs earlier it would have come about on a lot of media oh max even this new. information i think the media should be crying
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out a lot louder than they are now let's go over to ted he said that they should have released the full logs right from the beginning and they have to agree with you guys by holding back the full chat logs for more than a year wired magazine they not only protect you from well deserved scrutiny in the press but they also could have hurt bradley manning's the facts this is a head of credibility not just the limo but kevin posted into wired magazine as well. thanks for giving us your input and here's our next question for you which is poked and despairing of the young turks janks departure from the us and b.c. and where the future of the media could be go so for now it's easy exposure remains that goal for people to reach but when will that change let us know you think how long until web news media surpasses the big three able networks you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you see you and knows your responses just might make it
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on air. or the latest chapter of hacktivists versus the world anonymous in a non-secular unleashed fieri on a new entity think of it as an organization that supposedly represents the height of military power in global politics i'm talking about nato now through a string of tweets this morning anonymous announced their latest retrieval of data saying yes nato was breached and we have a lot of restricted material with some simple injection in the next days waiting for interesting data or just a short while later they decide to be very nice about their cyber attack and said we're sitting on about one gigabyte of data for nato now most of which we can not publish as it would be irresponsible but oh it may go now just to make sure everybody knew their claims were serious that they did tweet a link to a restricted file although neither you nor i have access to the servers they can actually read that protect that information and then shortly afterwards i notice also it's with a link to pieces of nato security handbook and then pointed out the irony that nato workers have failed to follow their own security procedures meanwhile. unnamed
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members of nato have also confirmed that attack citing the dangers of the hacktivist organisation gaining such incredibly secret information perhaps a blessing in disguise yes anonymous did get highly sought after information from one of the most well known organizations in the world but they decided to play the nice card in opted not to release classified information for now but nato isn't the only group that's feeling the burn of hacktivists right now even rupert murdoch's empire can't hide from the cyber hacking ways of little sec according to their own tweets they're currently working with specific news organizations to share what private information they've obtained from hacking news corp and the news corp pretty sure that will cycle uncover a treasure trove of information on the way they conduct business so it appears of anonymous and will also have strong as ever and despite the fact that laws like announced its retirement back in june it was like they just couldn't help themselves they had to get back into the game but they've also teamed up with an onset seems like the hacktivism realize that they have a lot more things in the world to correct early stand out and for that i'm quite
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interested to see how nato and the f.b.i. are going to respond to anonymous sex efforts to take down some of the most notorious organizations in the worlds. all right so last week instead of just talking about the bloated defense budget and wasteful programs in broad terms we decided to give you a specific example on the could end up costing us six hundred billion dollars the g.l.t. the so this week we're going continue that trend we're going to take a look at the littoral combat ship program where a combat ships are fast they're designed to operate in shallow coastal waters are lightly armed and the navy is planning on building fifty five of them that means that they would comprise more than one sixth of the entire fleet and the navy is funding two different versions of the l.c.s. there's the freedom class led by lockheed martin and the independence led by general dynamics in australia say of no the alabama the cost of those vessels have already doubled from two hundred and twenty million dollars per copy to four hundred eighty million and now in the president's fiscal year two thousand and
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twelve budget we soon as to meet and cost of five hundred and thirty seven million for the l.c.s. one and six hundred fifty three million yes q so it's not cheap it's rising in price each year but most importantly are these vessels even going to work apparently there's a little bit of a problem between building the vessels and the mission modules and our guest tonight is going to tell us all about it here discuss this is the cleary reporter for defense technology international paul thanks so much for being here thank you ok so give us some of the details fill us in on exactly what the problem is with this littoral combat ship program so the ships are being built but then when it comes to the weapons systems there's a bit of a time lapse yeah the mission modules i mean the ships are designed to go on a different missions so there's a different mission modules were through you were going to port and switch out one mission module for the other then go back out into the mine hunting surface surface to surface you know a bunch of reviews of things like mission modules are behind schedule and over cost
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so that's part of the problem the problem is probably with the ship as well. the congress put four hundred eighty million dollars cap on the ships which are gone. over but the second version of both ships one was seven hundred million one of six hundred million so now we're building the fourth and fifth. you know there's going to be supposed to stay in the four or five hundred million range why do we need a fourth and fifth model because the first second and third weren't built correctly so we already wasted a lot of the buildings in ships essentially making small tweaks go by fifty five so i think there are ten more coming this year twelve more each year for the next decade or two now can you explain to me why it is that they have to have two different companies working on them why is that general dynamics and also and why lockheed martin. why the competition if you have one you know end of project or end goal in mind because it's just it was rude initially supposed to keep costs down and to throw to the companies that the problem and say come up with the best
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solution. oh solutions you know some parts for example it's don't but the navy then decided to buy both and split the cost directly driving the cost down for the entire body that is yet to be approved that that's going to happen. and people are confused as to exactly what the navy's thinking in doing this over the long haul that might reduce some costs but now you have the problem where you have two different ships different mission modules so you have to design a new mission modules different mission modules all ships which drives up the cost of the mission modules but i think it's across the whole battle grounds absolutely genius is what he is what is it that approved all this is it's strictly in the hands of the navy it's not congress anymore it's the navy yeah the really driving the ship on this but congress like you mentioned they initially put that four hundred eighty billion dollars cap on it and now the price is gone and can they still get another time when they say no this is really going in for two thousand and twelve just said yes. i mean it's i mean we have two hundred eighty ships now
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over the navy wants three hundred thirteen and so this is as you said it was make up a big part of the fleet in future years so on someone. well congress hands are tied because they don't have a lot of they have the d.t.g. one thousand program that flamed out so they don't have too many new ships coming so this is really going to be the future the navy well let's talk about what the future of the navy is my it is that they want to build it up so much i mean we've heard from people like former secretary of defense robert gates of the future is these air and sea wars but you know is our navy fleet really equipped for that i think there was a report that came out recently that said twenty two percent of the navy ships didn't even pass the inspections for twenty eleven of those that were the ones that we already have yeah the numbers have been about between fifteen and twenty five percent of the fleet is not has problems with with spare parts and parts it just don't work for a couple years now that mostly comes from i mean the big defense budget cuts in the
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ninety's are kind of rearing their head here so all the services to hit manning and staffing i love that stuff in came in procurement and people would be encounters those are the guys who go first so they weren't keeping a very good eye on this for the past twenty years or so. so a lot of the ships have just been kind of floating along and they have the navy hasn't done a very good job of acting on what is the right way to go about this because you see you're blaming this on the budget cuts you say in the ninety's what we need right now is we need budget cuts in twenty eleven when it comes to defense especially when you see social programs that are the ones that are being cut so how do you keep enough people around that they can make sure that our equipment is up to par that all of the ships in the machines are up to par but they're also not launching these you know decades long projects that take forever and run up in cots that's part of the problem the navy hasn't spent wisely want to do hasn't spent wisely to spend a lot of money but not spending in the right spots you know just those cost two
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hundred twenty million and not being six hundred seven hundred million that's a lot of extra money that they didn't expect to spend that didn't go to spare parts that didn't go to higher. more people to to inspect that's a cop out just to say right and spend wisely sorry please forgive us but so what is are they going out for you know what kind of barren land unseriousness me errancy wars are we really gearing up for in the future in china or. china is the big threat china's air sea battle is geared towards china will never say it but i mean that's that's what they're looking at for the south china sea i think what they're looking at with l.c.s. is using you ease my funding minesweeping for the bigger ships the kind of run a screen for the carrier strike group. and you know with fifty five of them i mean the us too has problems with rusting now that's in dry dock they had to take the second one and the problem they have it actually take it out of the water going but then what about eight months. that's just a pleasure makes me feel really good about where all of our money is being spent
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paul thanks so much for joining us thank you very much. all right just ahead we have our tool time winner tonight that winner thinks they can get no offers great accommodations i have one now we come back and then have a our bill o'reilly makes a very stupid comment about the poor and the t.s.a. is going to start looking at your private parts. you know sometimes you see the story of the siege so you think you understand it and then. here's some other part of it and realize that everything. you don't. charge is a big. and yet.
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going to see the. kind of time for tonight's tool time a wharton's night it goes to brian kilmeade from fox and friends think during this morning's show hosts we're talking about a boy scout leader from the u.s. who was arrested in the bahamas he spent four days in jail after a bullet was found in his family back when he was trying to board a plane to listen to dr brian kilmeade comments on this story. so we're it does especially in the bahamas where your interest in the combinations are quite there were a kid more which are here or sterling but it's good to know some ways word of the whole lot of like a good row offers sterling accommodations who know now brian now joins
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a long list of crazy right wingers who think they get no it's just a tropical resort we documented on the show some of the stupid comments of the g.o.p. has made about guantanamo bay growing over the last year or so i wonder if you remember this one. keep in mind these detainees they have things they never had before you and the biggest probably get low is right now it's obesity you're eating better than they've ever eaten before they had better medical care they had better they had legal counsel i mean you know you got to draw the line somewhere. that's right the only problem the detainees at gitmo are facing is putting on a few extra pounds according to senator inhofe plus a very getting medal medical care so what more could a detainee possibly want we also called our professional wind bag rush limbaugh for calling get mo club for muslims on his web site he sells t. shirts about to stay classy rush now if you've been paying attention to our show you should know the good mo is no clue that the prison facility in cuba is seen as
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the symbol of u.s. human rights abuses around the world the facility was established in two thousand and two by the bush administration to hold the trainees from the war in afghanistan and later also iraq and since that time reports of abuse and torture of prisoners has been widespread the international red cross has said that they're concerned about waterboarding sleep deprivation beatings indefinite detention i put the syllabi and many detainees even been held that facility for years without any legal representation sound have been just declared under triable because they've been tortured and so therefore they will never see a day in court they could simply be detained indefinitely in the bush and now obama administration's refused to discuss those reports of abuse because of national security issues and fact that we don't even know how many people are. all i reports will tell you about one hundred seventy detainees are currently out of the syllabi but of course the pentagon won't confirm that number and we've also spoken about the eight detainees who have died while being held at guantanamo bay depending on
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claims they were suicides but a lot of critics disagree and in fact on this show we interviewed harper's magazine scott horton who wrote an award winning article casting doubt on the official story of those suicides so with all of that information on get go including accounts or former detainees about ramp. abuse of a facility is certainly sound like they offer sterling accommodations maybe brian kilmeade should back his bags for a long weekend head down to give over a little r. and r. i bet of the g.o.p. these would make it one day living in inhumane conditions that those detainees face daily and that's why we're getting brian kilmeade tonight still time work. ok time for happy hour and bring you this evening as our producer jenny church health and medicine nonny the head heard on the hill reporter for roll call thanks
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for joining me guys. that's. been a pretty tough area. you know i just i think you have very little elbow that area in my ear it was so it was low over here it is loud for you. to talk to my own family. ok those who thought. it was stupid and so are bill o'reilly and lou dobbs take a look why. if you're going to report the poor in america they cry if you're going to leave you can still watch jobs in a row your cable absalom let me know your holiday a blessing and they're being you know that you know we don't want to do. oh my god it is just makes me angry in so many ways that because i just love that they get so lost fox news they just watch bill o'reilly lou dobbs so obviously they're not poor i mean i think there's something to be said for the fact that clearly people that live in poverty in the united states are not living the same type of poverty that
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we see in a lot of undeveloped countries or people live less you know on less than a dollar a day and you literally are starving but there is still poverty which is rampant in this country and for them to just brush it aside like it's new big deal. crazy well yeah i was trying to point well you know we didn't have a lot of money when i was growing up we didn't get a t.v. until i was in high school you know lou you didn't get a t.v. until you were in high school because you're old when people. point is also that poor people in the us are actually quite poor and just say i think in that case that something like poor people have stuff and i'm not sure that that is actually a barrier. metric for being poor is because you have star and because you eat doesn't necessarily mean that you aren't work right and having a microwave that cost you thirty dollars at best buy really makes you living it up i mean i really like to see both of them live for one year on twenty two thousand
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dollars a year with children and all the expenses i know actually paying taxes which i. no because to them if you have cable that makes you poor if you don't have you know if you have direct t.v. then maybe you're more along the normal ranks of individuals out there let's move on to another one and have fun enough we were just talking about this with the controller of the cut is something to do with bill o'reilly during the whole scandal. when he was leaving voice mails on our producers about the sex isn't really the things he wanted to do with the sex toys is that her. sex toys are back in the new thanks to the economy as they followed thank you is this illegal search . and employees should receive. their be. nearly two years ago. sex toy sales are booming right now see n.b.c. has been reporting on this too is i guess you've got to trust the business news people right. i think there might be
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a number of factors for this my personal take is not necessarily that people are having more sex although it could be it is if you stop going out if you have less money to spend so you're just spending more time at home doing it or you know maybe guys have less money to take girls out on dates so they're just more sex toys for themselves and keep themselves busy times are really tough and when you know there are economic stresses and financing issues usually people aren't getting along and so while. i mean it's also something that you actually how you know you have something more fun to be aired than perhaps sitting at home with a video right but i am just uncovering right now i think that hansen is the experience here a week we can say that yeah i mean i guess you know when you're down and out in america you get down and dirty i don't know. because normally when the when the economy is bad you normally see divorce rates go down because people can't necessarily afford it we had to get a divorce and or to get a lawyer you could say or to you know split their earnings and start leading
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separate lives so maybe that's the only way that couples that really like each other anymore have to try to get along and keep going ok i. mean. well i'm sorry i always manage to make things uncomfortable. here's a story that's funny i don't know who's suffering obviously not bill o'reilly or lou dobbs or poor people in america but the hill reported today that apparently a lobbyist in washington d.c. are suffering because congress is just so caught up with this entire debt ceiling debate they haven't had time for any other legislation and so there are a lot of us that are sitting around trying to get trade deals passed and everything well they just have they have nothing to do and you know boo hoo it's actually it's a really sad day in america when the people who make their money by passing laws that affect other people can't make their money it's really. i mean i think it's interesting that the lobbyists are in fact well not all of them but mainly some of the like patton boggs for example who's a big big law firm they've actually made quite
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a bit of money but other law firms with like the highest but not behind it i'm happy you mentioned that because my second reaction to the story once i started actually reading into it was the first i looked at the hill headline and then start reading into the numbers and you realize that it's really just a crock it's all a freaking lie because patton boggs last year made it twenty four point seven million and this year they made twenty point five million and so according to the blogs they're really down to now and that means that they're suffering this is cyclical it sure is. gates last year meet nine point eight million this year there are nine point six million and also our time and also remember that base we so know what's going to happen with the debt ceiling bill as the lake once all of you know all the dust settled and then i think we'll obviously kind of gear up and head out and figure out what's going to happen and how they're going to let me buy your vote . for you guys because you know that some of the members of congress are missing their steak dinners right now because they actually have to work into fundraisers
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last story we obviously talk a lot about the t.s.a. on this program they're kind of changing their ways so we have a visual of was with a few things we're going to look at. usually it was the full body scanner that you had to go through and a lot of people were upset oh we have it we have to do it now you don't have to feel so naked when you go through the airport body scanner the government will install new software at forty one airports instead of a full body image that reveals everything the new software shows a generic silhouette any suspicious object a generic it's a little. like everybody today was thinking to privacy when i think about it's a good question to start asking but then apparently people are taking the t.s.a. agents out of the pictures you're no longer having a person actually sit there and look at you it's not as creepy but actually the t.s.a. agents are viewing those passenger the things in a separate room so it's not as awkward for you so you don't have to see them and you images are very cartoon like and i love that they work for months to develop
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the software to make that image crappier if you like i just i know you can. read all right because we left a lot of hard work to go back to nine hundred ninety graphic which apparently technology has become too advanced now we have to downgrade it but that's what happens right technology gets to advance and our privacy starts getting screwed but we should point out that this is only for like the super extremely graphic photos which only accounts for seventy two machines and the other two hundred fifty are back scatter machines so it's kind of that almost funny image i mean i think there's no more than eighty machines that actually do this and then we have something i've read somewhere between fourteen thousand plus airports in this country so my question is for privacy but only for eighty machines and. you got to wrap it up thanks for that. thank you for tuning in and make sure you come back tomorrow milou in the center and kate i was going to be on to discuss the
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