coming out to wrap it up the wait with our big picture rumble i guess panels that are certain erica erica community and brian darling all join me after the break. let's not forget that we have an apartheid regime right. i think. either one well. we have a government says they're going to keep you safe get ready because of the freedom.

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are you ready to rumble it's time for that i'd say big picture rubble where i debate the week's biggest stories of the panel of expert political commentators and i'm joined by heather servo conservative strategist and that you know her for forty a group public relations as well as a blogger heather servo dot com erick annuity democratic strategist and brian darling columnist at human events and contributor to red state dot com big government dot com and director of government studies at barrett foundation a lot of titles here welcome to all of you let's get started. there you know it's official john boehner walked away from the debt negotiations today and wouldn't return the president's phone calls and then after the president came out did his

press press conference john boehner came out and said this. i take the same oath of office of president of the united states i've got the same responsibilities as the president of the united states and i think that's for both of us to do what's in the best interest of our country ok well you know the third part i agree with but is this is an al haig moment you know when reagan got shot i'm in charge here i have the same responsibilities as the president is that it was a great moment for the president that john boehner walked out of these talks it's about time he finally stood up for himself and said i'm not going to raise taxes i'm not going to allow you the president to hold the debt limit increase hostage and demand that republicans vote to increase taxes as a condition to be increasing the debt limit remember that obama walked out last week so it's a shame or you know i mean we're and here's the able to block out the week before it is cut or it's a bit like rotating walkouts but i mean i think that you know the president put

a plan on the table that not only raise revenues but also cut taxes and was a three to one ratio as i believe i think some are saying is. in terms of dollars that were cut versus radical and i think i do agree with boehner that he has the same responsibility that he has a response to an american people and to the public and he gets credit given how you know he doesn't have all the same responsibilities not caring that in this sense he is he does have a no they're obviously saying here is a responsibility he is holding and he's holding a football right now and i think that this is a time where as he said when he took the tart vote that that was a vote that separates the men from the boys you do the right thing this is the time to do the right thing in compromise because it was when you had a republican president it was a no by the way. you know the most successful there are programs never having the money is all been paid battle with me and i'm. sure you know you know we incentivize censor public and we incentivize the irresponsible behavior of those guys on wall street and that's crony capitalism and so when the

republicans take the economy and we close. cut off their paychecks now that what you're saying first of all bail them out anybody can see that i mean it's going to be the president because the president is the one that's making news on reasonable demands on republicans so it's a reasonable to say three for one yes you have three ideas say i'm going to raise the debt ceiling only if you vote to raise taxes on all americans so you don't think it's unreasonable to say i will only vote to raise the debt ceiling if you slash benefits for social security recipients medicare and medicaid i think it's unreasonable to say i'm going to go in and start you know start the wars and i'm going to give tax cuts everyone and i'm not going to pay for it and i'm going to have these you know these tax cuts go on forever and ever and ever i think that's irresponsible i naturally happening on the american people are weighing in on this we've got a gallup poll here this is it shows that americans are concerned about the unemployment in general thirty one percent unemployment and jobs twenty seven percent deficit sixteen percent basically you know it so i think it's only worth saying economy in

general that includes whatever they think that debt ceiling debate is going to realize that we we know about the debt ceiling we know what it's all about the average american knows the economy is in trouble that includes us talk about this nebulous talk about the debt ceiling but get the economy moving ahead look at the have to do with the debt ceiling in our debt was one hundred twenty six percent of g.d.p. after world war two and nobody was running their hair on fire instead risin our started spending money like crazy building national highways and we spend our way out of it we get where we are because we're saying it's enough republicans are saying republicans are saying republicans but the bomber i'm going to say is i'm talking about we are we are saying it there's a there but there is an uproar there it's a different time people are saying they like these of these people to represent them you know two thousand and ten i'm sure not a lot of republican house members where we got the majority and there and people are saying we don't want to raise the debt ceiling with out having significant cuts we can't take this anymore so this is a different time and a different president obama offered very significant cuts he put he put the things

that i personally don't think she ever been on the table which are social security and medicare i think you can remember therapy. ran all these ads saying oh no the democrats are going to are cutting hundred million dollars from medicare lions tigers and bears oh my which still wasn't quite correct characterization of the health care bill but that was their plan and then was to run these ads and then now they're there advocating for these cuts and the president i mean if if that exact opposite were to happen if the democrats were to barrel in and say our way or the highway you would have something that would have had it you know increased spending you would have increased education funding you'd have something so polar opposite the president on the table that makes me anything on the. plan and i don't you're talking about speculative opinions on the other side have been have been cartoon characters and in fact it extends today four thousand and four thousand f.a.a. workers are going for gold and i'm going to be on a plane i don't know if it's going to fly or is essential employees will be there in your i know there's

a leader need all those people didn't they you might say they're building their boards there are you there i'm sorry if you're angry you should be angry at democrats in the senate for blocking consideration of the reauthorization bill the block consideration of it because the republican said we will only reauthorize the f.a.a. of all things if you strip the union rights from these workers who were does this come from i think this is scott walker on federal sterling. nation should have been gone last year and my vote i think it was a no brainer then i think it should have gotten time and this kind of speaks to me this is the consequence of the bigger problem that we have here with having the debt become this massive in issue that's tied up all of this time we should have a vote that was done months ago and we should have moved on but at the same thing that happened last year that's happening now is that we've had you know because the procedural rules because of the partisan fighting we're not getting the legislation through congress that really should be going through congress and we're not having debates it took us forever to get food which should have been just a kid in the brains of the republicans. republicans who are injecting ideology into

every peaceful. just lation and so this is where we stand and yet when you look at you know john case it did that scott walker did that rick scott did that rick snyder did that in respectively wisconsin and ohio florida and michigan and now they're all in the tank i mean in all probably. could be facing a recall election john case it would if they could isn't this suicide for the republicans to have gone so far off the tea party well i mean i think that they feel like they have a mandate from the people they ran there be they're being consistent with the platform that they ran on and you know in two years and two thousand and twelve if the people decide that they're not doing what they want to do it and they're out of there that's the nature of the house of representatives but i don't i think i think we have to remember that we have the house the republicans only have the house right now if republicans want to make any sort of statement they have to do it through the house maybe the senate will prove it well they have even you could argue they have the senate president going to veto it is that which in this the so

you must have sixty votes to do anything which has never happened in any of it was how much you have minority who are all in the senate at this point i mean that will not necessarily minority rule but minority dictating whether or not we're going to function at all it's minority shutdown or halt or going to cease business when actually it can actually pass anything in the minority can't pass and he just now uses it and of the boys of that minority is fox news and let's also remember what started this whole thing in my mind it was the health care thing i mean president obama did a terrible thing when it comes terrible qualities and it would have had a poll results you know health care to growth sure you want to talk he says drop the medicare eligibility age does zero to ten years every five years and then you got any of nor do i get is speeding up the d.o.j. yeah you know even pre-birth you know let the commission program we've got the it is the department and so it works more in a lot of other countries the department of justice is about to issue subpoenas the f.b.i. is looking into rupert murdoch the british parliament is now saying you know well

you know maybe james lied to us but just before the u.n. had their big. copenhagen environmental conference in two thousand and nine somebody hacked into the university of east anglia and got a bunch of e-mails where you had. so we say competitive scientists doing some back biting and they turned it into this whole scandal but that now has been investigated by the university by the i.p.c.c. by the government of england and every single investigation is completely clear the but the two groups the blues thing out were the news of the world paper and the sunday times the wall street journal and fox of the three groups and fox news surprisingly all along is it too much to think that if he was asking everybody else that he was doing the one thing let's not say that rupert murdoch was hacking everybody you know that he was you have to stick it here you have proof that rupert murdoch was doing what you said i mean what you people were going to say that at least once a month they get along phone calls from him wanting to know everything they're

doing he was a very he is a very he was going to overhead we were hacking i you know and i'm not that you know when you're when you're authorizing a seven hundred thousand dollars from money payment to somebody and the chairman calls up and says why don't you think let's be honest about this this is a liberal witch hunt and the liberals are going to talk about the conservatives right here you know you're going to find which is that fox news or wall street journal none of that out in the united states. and they say yeah yeah actually i would say i don't i don't think they're going to i don't think rupert murdoch said hey you know what we should totally i can get prince william's on the cell phone right now i'm sure that it was clearly his deputy that did it however from rupert murdoch played down or you know show that he was a shell of an owner that he used to be but i will say i will say as a liberal i have never thought that man was stupid he is smart he is a good businessman he runs his companies incredibly well and so just to believe that he didn't or that it was just continue this one person well that he had no

indication that they're not going to go. she's there now when you know what happened here in the united states there's there's there's a for advertising company the news corp actually admitted in two thousand and nine in court and ended up paying off twenty nine million dollars as part of that admission that they had acted to this company's computers and gotten their customer lists because they were competing with them and this i mean british news corp don't know this is u.s. news corp in the united states and new york city it's from two thousand and nine so it's in iraq has a long history and i guess i also begs the question of is this more rampant interest in news or c.n.n. how does him as an e.c. i mean i mean he's how a lot of his seriously could be m s n b c yeah i mean everybody's doing it. can you say ariadne for same time france is now as it was originally from julian assange who was. trying to get information from us i think there is a lot of people that didn't agree with that but i will say that the important thing to kind of man is that he'll become a billionaire media mogul without knowing what's going on and there's

a certain amount of trouble daily that you know if we go to war here take this back to politics one recall election down in wisconsin eight to go six for republicans to for democrats scott walker could be a little trouble here's what happened when he showed up in public a couple of days ago. i. was. so you know you should be very proud that he went and they yelled at the governor their governor and screamed i'm trying to give a speech you should be very proud of them there was i mean i think i think there's a bigger problem tom you asked this question earlier how there it is when people are putting that kind of partisan intend into legislation like having gone too far and i won't pretend that there isn't partisan legislation on both sides when

they're unwilling to compromise and when you shove it down the throat of the other side and that when. you aren't willing to take a step back we sure you should be a no i mean we all of you have philosophical fundamental differences and we we all believe these things because we think they're right and we should be fighting for them but we also have to know when to pull back and the fact that scott walker pushed so far beyond where he and his campaign promises and shut down the senate and so that senators had to flee in order to stop the legislation from lynn pilot at the open meetings law he is his by the to the trust of many many many wisconsinites not just union members and not just democrats but i guess i'll be i will see and i mean you know it alls like i said in the before too that we don't have elections for governor every month you know there's a there's a reason why it's every two to four years is that as there are a lot on on your side that the people are just going to come around to wake up and realize that this was the right thing that goes to unions and and stripping but i mean i think that i mean i think that the question is who are the people i mean if you're saying the people are the labor unions that's what i'm talking about just

you know a majority of voters well i mean i think i probably i mean in order to maintain he was pushing to build the budget the one election you referred to was a democrat who won his reelection and was subject to recall i don't think that's a referendum on what's going to happen in these other election i think it's a referendum on how the public responds to the senators leaving the state i think that that what it shows is that the public does understand why the senate democrats left the state and it does support those that did well i think i also figure there also is a lot of education that's happening about what the nature of labor unions really is do we really need them anymore i mean it's kind of is going to be more yeah i mean i think there's a there is a market in the workplace we're going to should have a voice no i mean there is it was a time for unions and the question is whether some of these unions should still be in existence we really need them representing the people or if you know people are putting themselves in different ways so i mean you know one person can stand up to a billion dollar corporation just as easily as all the workers together i'm say raver unions that's what only labor unions democratic institution out of all i'm

going to sleep. corporations do leave the union leader knows. or it's an initiation in wisconsin not to go to the doctors and that's because they're interested in articles consonance labor policy as part of their nuclear. ambitions i think the more they want to think if they came up their right to strike in order for collective bargaining because there used to be big public strikes a wisconsin state employee said that we will no longer strike and shut down the government i'm going to label just labor in order to collectively market so it was it was a it was a compromise and it was kind of at the time which was very peaceful and allow for years and years and decades of peacefully our negotiations are going to last question for very shortly very quickly here john boehner walked away the president is calling for another means of it tomorrow with more than a week to go told of will we have a debt limit deal and if so what's it going to look like. yes it will have a deal and you know i think it's going to end up looking

a lot more like what obama wants than what the house republicans want just because you know the democrats still are in control but the house republicans have to make a statement they have to show they're representing the people that are. i really hope that there's an idea i can't think of anything worse than there not being a deal i mean there really isn't anything i'm not i'm not a big fan of what obama proposed but i think it's a really good deal and if the republicans don't take it they may not get anything that good or complicate things close to their goals again sorry yes no entire reform no tax increases ok so very very interesting i mean he has to do my take on this is that what we're going to see is the mcconnell reid reverse double floor republicans get to vote against it but they're actually voting for it so they can sort of vote you know the and they just clean the whole thing out but we'll see how the sermon. and thanks so much for all future. coming up

a daily take on why far so-called news. and why the only way we can stop them is an amendment to the us constitution. what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions. made who can you trust no one who is you who with the global machinery to see where we have a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more.

people wonder why it is that fox news can lie over and over and over again yet continue to call itself news it's because fox news is a corporation and ever since that eight hundred eighty six supreme court case of the southern pacific railroad versus santa clara county and a road court reporter named john chandler bankrupt davis slipped corporate personhood into the legal record the courts have ruled and again corporations since they have all the rights that actual people have could also law just like people can. actually there was one exception back in one thousand nine hundred eight a political activist named mark caskey sued nike alleging that night he was lying

to its customers by publishing in the san francisco examiner a letter assuring everyone that the corporations workers around the world enjoyed basic labor rights like a minimum wage health and safety regulations and equal opportunity employment gascony the claim wasn't true in one thousand nine hundred six audited nike revealed that workers in vietnam for example were teen lee exposed to cancer causing chemicals that here in the united states were illegal and a mother jones article later cited a nightly funded study that found quote evidence of physical and verbal abuse and sexual harassment at nine of its contract factories in indonesia and of course after realizing that he and thousands of other nike customers were lied to and were by nike products under false assumptions caskey took the corporation to court and in two thousand and two caskey won his case before the california supreme court which ruled that nike did indeed break laws against unfair competition and false advertising rather than paying the fine and that he appealed to the case to the

supreme court and the high court actually agreed to hear the case in two thousand and three and nike claimed that as a corporate person it was entitle to freedom of speech which means freedom to lie cascades lawyers shot back and even reference my book on equal protection to the supreme court justices in an effort to prove that the eight hundred eighty six corporate personhood case was a sham but the supreme court never ruled that corporations are people but instead that road court reporter i told you about had the nation that's when something strange happened. after hearing the argument against corporate personhood taken from my book by cascades lawyers chief justice right william rehnquist suddenly dismissed the case basically saying hopes were made a mistake in agreeing to hear at the first place so the lower court's decision was upheld nike lost the case and settled with caskey agreeing to make a seven figure gift to help sweat shop workers around the world it was actually

were at a rare when it was corporate personhood but it was short lived because just as nike was coughing up the cash box news was about to him or fox corp was about to mount its own defense of a corporation's right to lie and that very same year in one thousand nine hundred eighty two investigative reporters janie her and steve wilson working for a local fox affiliate produced a series on how a synthetic hormone known as bovine growth hormone b g eight routinely given to cattle down florida all over the country that could be causing cancer in america and not in europe where it had been banned but since the local fox station owned by rupert murdoch's news corp forced aker and wilson to rewrite the story several times until finally it was just an outright lie that was pretty much consistent with monsanto's p.r. even though europeans have banned the stuff here you know we shouldn't worry we should just be happy but aper and wilson refused to tone it down they believe as

journalists it was their job to tell the public the truth about what's in their milk so the fox t.v. station fire them and when wilson fired back by suing the fox t.v. outlet for wrongful termination and a jury of six of their peers unanimously agreed with acre and wilson and ward of the four hundred twenty five thousand dollars in damages the jury found that quote fox acted intentionally and deliberately to falsify or distort the plaintiff's news reporting on b.t.h. end of quote. case closed not so fast in two thousand and three just as the supreme court was dismissing the nikkei case fox news was appealing its own case and sure enough that year and appeals court reversed the lower court's ruling and claimed that as a corporation thoughts had the right to lie and not only that it had the right to force its reporters to lie with the threat of firing them if they don't comply that decision still stands today which means right now fox can tell its reporters to lie

to protect corporate and political friends and interests and those reporters must comply or else they'll get fired and by the way it's not just fox this is true every media corporation in america and as we've seen in the recently leaked e-mails uncovered by media matters that show fox news executives telling anchors to for example call the public option a government option because it sounds better for republicans and to inject skepticism into every report about global warming box news is up to their ears in the wind and yet they still can call themselves news everyone knows well everyone knows that rush limbaugh isn't news and rush limbaugh himself doesn't call his program a news program that everyone knows the big picture tom hartman is a news i don't claim to be either i do opinion but fox news is in the same business as rush limbaugh basically carrying the water for the republican party in corporate interests it calls itself news historically from the one nine hundred thirty s.

until the one nine hundred eighty s. when a media organization called itself news it had to be free of bias it had actually the real news and reagan blew up the fairness doctrine in one thousand nine hundred seven the rule that required self-proclaimed news outlets to report straight news and open the floodgates of distortion and infotainment and the courts then piled on by ruling that media corporations have the absolute right to lie to their viewers and force their reporters to do so. now can you see where the news media in america is in complete and utter disrepair and why nobody believes what they see or hear any more as i speak republicans are pushing for a constitutional amendment to balance the budget that's not what america needs our nation actually needs a constitutional amendment stripping corporations of their personhood and bust their right to lie to us then maybe we can once and for all force fox to drop the

word news from its name and call the network what are really is as roger ailes and vision did back in the one nine hundred seventy s. when he worked in the nixon administration g.o.p. t.v. . so big picture for more information on the stories we covered visit our website to tom hartman dot com free speech dot org and r t dot com also check out our two you tube channels there are links to thom hartmann dot com entire show is available as a free video podcast on i tunes and we have a free tom hartman i phone and i pad app in the app store you send us feedback at twitter at underscore our on facebook at tom underscore our blogs message boards and telephone comment line it's hard enough and don't forget the mockers he begins with you you show up get out there get active tag you're it see you next week.

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