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to. move to. probably get a little welcome to spot like they enter the shelter on r t i'm now doing all of that and they might get to the studio as alex described when last year russia and the united states were discussing the new start treaty they argued whether or not it would protect europe from potential building in this but very soon a different threat than merged revolutions and warfare spread throughout north africa and the middle east toppling regimes and bringing stability to the region so what are the biggest threats to european and global security today here's an expert on international security add their while in states with other international affairs alex this crowd. last year russia and the united states strengthen ties by signing the new strong nuclear disarmament treaty which warmed

russia needs relations and made things clearer with european sound class program but things are still will be started as the alliance wants intercept the me styles in eastern europe and russia wants guarantees they won't threaten its security the two parties also disagree with the current middle eastern issues like the syrian. hello isis thank you very much for coming to the show it's a pleasure to have been here first of all before we start talking about war and missiles and all those things let's talk about some. more lively things like the rupert murdoch affair which was really lousy at this holiday season what is it for you would you would you consider to be in an international international interest in the international scale because of it the whole world fell well certainly i mean it's definitely a transatlantic affair because of course rupert murdoch's interest in the wall

street journal ties it to the north atlantic business community as well and attention is drawn toward britain naturally because these sort of scandals of corruption and police chiefs resigning aren't supposed to happen in the old western countries these are safe things of other countries but it's happening right in london it's happening right in westminster as we speak. the primary killing solves . this it's you know it's it's an interesting affair and i think also. at the start it wasn't it wasn't very clear how much this would affect cameron but i think it might affect him greatly i think he he behaved in such a way which was which was fantastic in that he was very candid in the way he responded in a way wasn't guilty of anything but the way which he was slowed. to punish course and for what had happened i think this is going to hurt him in the long run

they call people called me a couple of colleagues from different russian. sources and seem electorate in britain saying should the really change the law should they will change the law regulating the work of the press and the relationship between the press and the society and lastly no the new reason i think it's a matter of implementation. because people when people are breaking the law changing the law or maybe i'm not right because people are the government they want to change the law well no i mean i think it's also looking at the way in which the law protects the people in this if you follow the super injunctions scandals as well in the u.k. and of course we had julian assange a year ago. i think the way in which the relationship between the media and technology and people is evolving in such a rapid pace but this is a scandal of all the i mean this is you could write this in a book could be fiction it could be a television show. or films this is something i know was there was the bond film in

which there was the villain was loosely based on repressed murdock i believe so i think the relationship is changing but i don't think we should create new laws or disband or them simply because they are broken. because of the film does that mean he we needed the below person to deal with there are going to be a man in the scenes. somewhere with. ok well. do you think that this me seriously hurry. it is a business or will it need to give more publicity to distributors. well i mean certainly not the news of the world of course that one won't be selling anytime soon but i think. something like the wall street journal is going to be brilliant and. in a way businessmen like rupert murdoch are brilliant until they become the house of

cards comes falling down like it did with for example ken lay and enron but that's not a scandal that kind of proportions i don't think trickling down it's more of a question of his legitimacy so from here on out he's probably going to be completely inhibited in terms of pursuing business and so i would say it is harming the reputation a liberal person you agree absolutely journalism in general journalism. but i mean i don't think papers for example like the financial times will suffer. hopefully not ok now let's switch to to to to to war and peace in the middle east and the ages world is changing and has changes started there within the stablish your non fly zone over libya and now you know to do going to war offensive operation in the region but the war in libya in this current form is not was not

sanctioned by the united nations doesn't mean that what the nato is doing in libya is. no i mean i would say that apart from the french dropping weapons. by and large the neato is fighting with its hands tied behind its back it's it's almost crippled in its execution of hostilities there or just underneath hostilities in accordance with the u.s. congress. and in order to fight within that remit i believe it's not fighting as effectively as it could. so i do think that it's fighting within the u.n. security council along those lines apart from funding weapons. resolution ninety seventy three of the united nations security council. allowed nato to secure this no fly zone to start president duffy from slaughtering his own people but.

the attempts to assassinate who will condemn free and. there have been a number of them and lately seems to be obsessed with that idea doesn't mean that the real real idea behind the campaign is regime change in the country well if you go back to from the nineteenth of march i'm words there's a real there's a great word in english which is backsliding there was a real backsliding and skilling into what began as upholding un resolution one thousand seventy three and really trying to protect civilians in the slaughter of civilians. for example you had b.h.l. going out of the levy and france really pushing this we've got to see the civilians much in a sort of recalling rwanda and what happened in kosovo in bosnia. and so that was the real the real tension pushed forward the moment and then you backslide into well how are you going to do that do you need to remove gadhafi from

power and in a sense you do said there was a real reticence to use the words regime change and change and then all of a sudden it starts sliding back into this well we don't seek regime change but get off the moscow. and so now the real question is how do you remove a man from power. do you put him in asylum that one of the things is putting him in asylum but within libya but i don't really necessarily know how that's going to work we will see i don't think it will work i don't think that if gadhafi is going to do what would you say is get out if you do believe it because he himself seems pretty confident that he was he did look worried first couple of weeks but now he seems confident knows he's got staying power the pressure. has got staying power so long. as nato cannot fight a war effectively which it cannot do. because it's fighting within the bounds of

the un security council resolution it's not going to really be able to step up its efforts unless it goes back to the security council and another resolution is passed which one wonders the viability about russia has refused to recognize go into rebels as the only legitimate authority in the country spotlight the media reports. when nato started its military operation in libya four months ago they do weiss promise not to take sides last week washington changed its mind at an international conference in this plan you can recognize to leave this transitional national council as the country's government until an interim authority is in place united states will recognize that t.n.c. as the legitimate governing authority for libya and we will deal with it on that basis in contrast the united states views the gadhafi regime as no longer having regional authority in libya more than thirty nations or would suit now the

diplomatic recognition the u.s. will usually be able to fund being in gaza based opposition it can use some of the city bill and use dollars of guffey regime assets frozen in american banks russia has condemned the american decision to look cool the cool of those behind the recognition are fully siding with one political force in the libyan civil war on this again means that those who took this decision are pursuing a policy of isolation in this case they solution of tripoli's little difficult. russia maintains contact with both tripoli and benghazi urging both sides to get around the negotiation table meanwhile nader secretary-general called on the alliance is number aircraft to deliver strikes to libyan targets so far two months and they didn't call them and have not helped break the deadlock in this civil war . well you've mentioned that there are

feasibility to resist and it certainly has been underestimated in later what was the reason for this so less traditional which is a toy well i think that to begin with again you're fighting as a swordsman with one hand tied behind your back because regime change wasn't mentioned to begin with if you look in the international community in the wider international community sometimes if you look at meters and gauge of other countries for example afghanistan. and iraq it's given into a bad name it's means that the u.k. and the u.s. are coming to seek regime change sensually and so because of that bad name to begin with france and britain and the us did not you explicitly did not use the words regime change and of course there are several air power theories one of whom is called eliot cohen from america and he said but the use of air power exclusive air

power to carry out a political solution is equivalent to modern courtship. immediate satisfaction without little guarantee commitment and so in that sense it is a policy of what robert pape calls decapitation of the capitation policy literally taking the head off of a regime does little to change anything political the ground as we've so clearly seen in afghanistan with the removal of the taliban and so we've clearly seen with the removal of saddam hussein so it's not a policy that works regime change. however i would say that so therefore it wasn't on the cards to begin with. in that very overt sense but of course it had to be because it well if you're thinking of stopping him killing his citizens you obviously have to stop him. from being in power in some sense says alex this crowd expert on this national security out there law institute all international affairs spotlight will be back shortly after we take the drapes as they would.

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operations there had been carried out that it was a military fiasco do you do you agree with that the mil truly the military did a lousy really lousy job going around i think this is symptomatic of the west's attention deficit disorder we might say it looks it looks at a problem area that looks at an issue it is size it wants to solve it and then it deliberates too quickly and hard to solve it so was too little too late and this is of course what a lot of people said about obama's decision to step up troops in afghanistan that it took him far too long to deliberate over his decision so i would agree i would say that in libya either we should nuke on it all. or we should have done something like this which of course is not the nature of coalition fighting i'm reminded of. comments when he said next time i fight mord may be against the coalition. but is

there a military solution in libya in the region in general and do you believe in ministries like no i think this is the great the single greatest problem of modern conflict. anywhere in the stone anywhere and this is the problem is. does need to have the military capacity to wage coalition warfare yes it does granted if you have partners such as germany on board you know the danes are actually quite on board so it doesn't have the capacity yes it does of course says political infighting things called national card. and and problems of material however the real question is political will and does it have the political will to sustain operations on the ground and afghanistan in the last decade has proven no we don't have that right so the rule is no consensus because germany you mentioned italy the learn exactly enthusiastic about all of this but. at least where you think

a compromise between britain and france is the main partners in the you know at this point i think in the architects of the franco british defense treaty are very glad to see that france and britain have agreed and continue to agree and really rallied round in europe and knocking on other leaders towards an across the globe lower visit. no i would say it's a marriage with love how do you think the brits and the french in general i mean this specifically here is renewed passion in the mood. of this specific issue one hundred million i want specifically ok now. tell strikes are not working so do you think that nato. really old invasion the world will need to be going forward for a resolution of the girls will prefer a skilled commission no i don't see what you will have what you have had since the start. was equivalent of what kennedy since special advisers on the ground in

vietnam when you have special forces on the ground and i think increasingly in modern conflict you will see special forces operating on the ground in a small sort of shadow capacity. and i think you'll continue to see that but not a ground invasion privilege of russia. moscow will not support a resolution against syria's bashar regime does it undermine common approach towards the problem. well this these visas generally tend to do so if russia would china. it is something when the security council course it detracts from the worth but i think it seems to me that at the moment any kind of potential military solution or any kind of resolution against syria wouldn't happen at the moment as as i understand it and i'm not an expert on the middle east will say but

as i understand it it is is is making efforts to negotiate with opposition is and in so far as it continues to do that i think it would buy him time he's a b. the security council ok now there is a risk experts say. the assistance given to the rebels to go to the so-called trans national transitional national committee will go to al qaida so the al-qaeda elements that are present within the ranks of this can really . do think there are grounds for research or social expectation of god if you make a connection to al qaeda that's a credit you know it's quite a long connection to me i don't even think you need to make that for the connection simply because do we really know who the because the rebels are and i think this is a big question did we really know that image. when the c.a.a. funded them back in during the war in afghanistan i mean this this is the real

question is not necessarily links to al qaeda or words to a q i am marketing something but even to any other group flooding thought being. a civil war essentially or an area. and a civil war with weapons is not necessarily an impossible policy you have no idea where those weapons went up or who those people will be eventually. because good question of what happens to countries like libya after the war is over so if we just leave them if we just stop fighting in there that it will turn them into sort of an afghanistan local law well lawless land. like nice place for all those clowns in rend and groupings and and and. who. try to clobber leaders coming to power but if we want to to establish a sustainable peace in the country it's a long and costly affair do you think that the europeans will be ready to go for it

in times of crisis economic difficulties i don't think the west has the political will or the attention span to see that out i think the west is losing as attention spans shorter and shorter kids focus and under massive political consolidation look at what's going on within europe within the euro delaying the inevitable we're going to greece and now are to go to new debt ceilings in italy look at the congressional battles in washington as you can see that the attention span just snaps so i don't think. a lasting peace will be stabilized and imposed by the european union by need or by the u.s. . you know the thing. if. people within the a.t.o. if they will decide to go for peace to to work for a for for

a treaty between garfield the rebels will feel that maybe years like like south africa for example or russia step in and try to to to to set up a little remains because this would this would describe the previous policy which was the variables i would think eventually i would think but i believe that that makes sense i know that. president zuma just got into sort of deep browed cameron in south africa over this matter. and you century great chess experts to negotiate a libya so i mean i think that that is what makes sense in terms of bringing in other members of the international community in their experiences of resolving conflicts. what do you think. libya's border means for the future of made to the the e.u. common difference project does it need rethinking is it in the in the in a rethinking process the moment a sign of things to come i think increasingly we will see coalitions of the willing

like we saw in iraq. like we saw it like we're seeing in libya. i think what will happen within nato is you will see these coalitions of the willing group around certain issue areas so for example with cyber defense with climate change or with nuclear defense and in terms of i think it's ringing the death toll the interventionism i think the imposing values at the point of a gun hopefully is a policy which is being rid of the west as we speak in libya at the moment it's highly ineffective as we as we discussed. it seems that. russia's proposal to share the responsibility for europe's missile defense according to the sexual principle is it a sign of the persisting distrust in europe towards in the russian.

i think that the problem within europe itself is that you've got so many different gazes towards russia there's a german gaze and there's a british and there's a french gaze and there's an italian gaze and very very very seldomly do all of these gazes look in the same direction and so i think this will just be symptomatic of european relations with moscow but as a i mean as i see it i think that the european union does far better in negotiating with russia as a collective entity than nato does but i think things initiatives like the native russia council are very valuable and even if they disintegrate at some point it's important if even if they're sort of suspended they don't disintegrate so i think it's important to keep them in place and you know the role of the united states it seems that for the first time in decades the u.s. is not playing a leading role in the military operation doesn't that put the idea of self dependent european defense bots instantly and absolutely absolutely and i think

this is this is again indicative of a shift of of washington's gaze toward the east if you look to what secretary of defense bob gates one of his last sort of two wars he talked about the pacific and the importance of the pacific and the way in which washington's attention will be much more focused on as i think looking at newer global strategic partners in a way that france germany britain might not be the default strategic ally and i think that is that is indicative of things to come thank you thank you very much and just to remind you that i gave him a few years of great was alex this crowd the next group of international security at the institute of international affairs and they're sifting out from all of the spotlight will be back with more comments on the what's going on in the show when they were to take. you.

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