c.n.n. global security today here is that international security add there while it is the chief of international affairs alex this crowd. last year russia and the united states strengthen ties by signing the new start nuclear disarmament treaty which warmed russian media relations and made things clearer with the european missile defense program but things are still where they started the alliance wants into septimus silence in eastern europe and russia wants guarantees they won't threaten its security the two parties also disagree with the current middle eastern issues like syria and libya. alexis thank you very much for coming into the show it's a pleasure to have being here and first of all before we start talking about war and missiles and all those things let's talk about the from the more lively things like the rupert murdoch affair which which really lives not this holiday season

well is it and it's those two or three would you would you consider to be in an. international international interest scale because every the whole world follows well certainly i mean it's definitely a transatlantic affair because of course rupert murdoch's interest in the wall street journal ties it to to the north atlantic business community as well and and attention is drawn toward britain naturally because these sort of scandals of corruption and police chiefs resigning aren't supposed to happen in the old western countries you know these are safer things of other countries but it's happening right in london it's happening right in westminster as we speak. the project killing themselves. it's you know it's it's an interesting affair and i think also. at the start it wasn't it wasn't very clear how much this would affect cameron but i think it might affect him greatly i think he he behaved in such a way which was. which was fantastic in that he was very candid in the way he

responded in a way wasn't guilty of anything but the wave which he was slow to. to punish course and for what had happened i think is is going to hurt him in the long run they call people called me for a couple of colleagues from different russian. sources considering me an expert in britain saying should do really change the law should they will change the law regulating the work of the press and the and the relationship between the press and the society and when i said no the new reason i think it's a matter of implementation because people when people are breaking the law what's the use changing the law or maybe i'm not right because people are the government they want to change the law well no i mean i think it's also looking at the way in which the law protects the people in this if you follow the super injunctions scandals as well in the u.k. and of course we had julian assange a year ago. i think the way in which the relationship between the media and

technology and people is evolving in such a rapid pace but this is a scandal of all the i mean this is you could write this in a book could be fiction it could be a television show or film so this is something i know was there was the bond film in which there was the villain was loosely based on report murdock i believe so i think the relationship is changing but i don't think we should create new laws or disband or one simply because they're broken. as you quoted the film does that mean you we needed there were low person to to deal with there were in your mind the scenes. somewhere with a lot of. ok well. do you think that this may seriously harm. the business or will it maybe give more publicity to papers. well i mean certainly not the news of the world of course that one would

be selling anytime soon but i think. something like the wall street journal is going to be brilliant and. in a way businessmen my group of murdoch are buoyant until they become the house of cards comes falling down like it did with for example ken lay and enron but that's not a scandal of that kind of proportions i didn't think trickling down it's more of a question of his legitimacy so from here on out he's probably going to be completely inhibited in terms of pursuing business. i would say it is harming the reputation of the british press do you agree absolutely journalism in general journalism. but i mean i don't think papers for example like the financial times will suffer. so hopefully not ok now let's switch to two to two to world peace in the middle east needs israel is changing and has changes

started there with an established you were non fly zone over libya and now now to go into more offensive operations in the region but the war in libya in its current form is not was not sanctioned by the united nations doesn't mean that what the what nato was doing in libya is illegitimate no i mean i would say that apart from the french dropping weapons. by and large nato is fighting with its hands tied behind its back it's it's almost crippled in its execution of hostilities there or just underneath hostilities in accordance with the u.s. congress and in order to fight within that remit i believe that it's not fighting as effectively as of course it could do so i do think that it's fighting within the u.n. security council along those lines apart from funding weapons. resolution ninety

seventy three of the united nations security council. allowed nato to secure this no fly zone to stop president daffy from slaughtering his own people but. don't the a turns to assassinate who will to their feet and and there have been a number of them and later seems to be obsessed with that idea doesn't mean that the real real idea behind the campaign is regime change in the country well if you go back to from the nineteenth of march i'm words there's a real there's a great word in english which is backsliding there was a real backsliding and skidding into what began as upholding un resolution one thousand seventy three and really trying to protect civilians in the slaughter of civilians. for example you had b.h.o. not only livy and france really pushing this we've got to say the civilians much in

a sort of recalling rwanda and what happened in kosovo and in bosnia. and so that was the real the real tension pushed for the moment and then you backslide into well how are you going to do that do you need to remove gadhafi from power and in a sense you do so there was a real reticence to use the words regime change and change and then all of a sudden it starts sliding back into this well we don't seek regime change but gadhafi must go. and so now the real question is how do you remove a man from power. do you put him in an asylum that one of the things is putting him in asylum but within libya but i don't really necessarily know how that's going to work even though it will i don't think it will work i don't think that if gadhafi is in the mood do is get out if you do believe it because he himself seems pretty confident these that he was he did look worried this couple of weeks but now he

seems confident oh yes he's got staying power that. many he's got staying power so long. as nato cannot fight a war effectively which it cannot do. because it's fighting within the bounds of the un security council resolution it's not going to really be able to step up its efforts unless it goes back to the security council and another resolution is passed which one wonders the viability of that russia has refused to recognize the libyan rebels as the only legitimate authority in the country spotlights you know the media reports. when nato started its military operation in libya four months ago the u.s. promised not to take sides last week washington changed its mind but an international conference in this done it to recognize libya's transitional national council as the country's government until an interim authority is in place united states will recognize that t.n.c.

as the legitimate governing authority for libya and we will deal with it on that basis in contrast the united states views the gadhafi regime as no longer having with authority in libya more than thirty nations for would suit now with diplomatic recognition the u.s. will officially be able to fund the big gaza based opposition it can use some of the city bunion use dollars of could darfur regime assets frozen and american banks russia has condemned the american decision. but those behind the recognition are fully siding with one political force in the libyan civil war this again just means that those who took this decision are pursuing a policy of isolation that in this case the solution of tripoli is not only to go. russia maintains contact with both tripoli and benghazi urging both sides to get around the negotiation table meanwhile you need

a secretary general called only alliances numbers to certainly aircraft to deliver strikes only been targets so far two months of need involvement have not helped break the deadlock in this civil war. well you mentioned kadar feasibility to resist and it certainly has been underestimated the need to what was the reason for this underestimation which is why well i think to begin with again you're fighting as a swordsman with one hand tied behind your back because regime change wasn't mentioned to begin with if you look at the international community in the wider international community sometimes if you look at nader's engagement with other countries for example afghanistan. and iraq it's given nato a bad name it's means that the u.k. and the u.s. are coming to see regime change sensually and so because of that bad name to begin with france and britain and the u.s.

did not explicitly did not use the words regime change and of course there are several air power theories one of whom is called eliot cohen from america and he said that the use of airpower exclusive airpower to carry out a political solution is equivalent to modern courtship it offers immediate satisfaction without little guarantees or commitment and so in that sense there is a policy of what robert pape calls decapitation decapitation policy literally taking the head off of a regime does little to change anything political the ground as we've so clearly seen in afghanistan with the removal of the taliban and so we've clearly seen with the removal of saddam hussein so it's not a policy that works regime change. however i would say that therefore it wasn't on the cards to begin with. in that very overt sense but of course it had to be because if you're thinking of stopping him killing his citizens you obviously have to stop him. from being in power in some sense says alex this crowd expert on this

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a military fiasco do you do you agree with that though that the mill truly the military did a lousy really lousy job on the ground i think this is symptomatic of the west's attention deficit disorder we might say it looks it looks at a problem area it looks at an issue it is size it wants to solve it and then it deliberates too quickly and hard to solve it so was too little too late and this is of course what a lot of people said about obama's decision to step up troops in afghanistan that it took him far too long to deliberate over this decision so i would agree i would say that in libya either we should have gone in a tall. or we should have done something like this which of course is not the nature of coalition fighting i'm reminded of napoleon's comment when he said next time i fight mord may be against the coalition. but is there a military solution in libya in the region in general. do you believe in english

like no i think this is the greatest single greatest problem of modern conflict. anywhere understand anywhere and this is the problem is. does need to have the military capacity to wage coalition warfare yes it does granted if you have partners such as germany on board you know the danes are actually quite on board so it doesn't have the capacity yes it does of course has political infighting things called national car. and and problems of material however the real question is political will and does it have the political will to sustain operations on the ground and afghanistan in the last decade has proven no we don't have that can follow the rule is no consensus because germany you mention italy the learn exactly enthusiastic about all this but may be a least what do you think a compromise between britain and france is the main partners in the you know this

well i think in the architects of the franco british defense treaty are very glad to see that france and britain have agreed and continue to agree and really rallied round in europe and knocking on other leaders doors and across the globe it's not love visit. well no i would say it's a marriage with love how do you think the brits and the french in general i mean this specifically here is renewed passion in the movement of this specific issue of one hundred million i don't want specifically ok now. airstrikes are not working so do you think that nato may start really a land invasion the world will need to be going for a resolution of the security council for a full scale liberation no i don't see what you will have what you have had since the start are spread what's equivalent of what kennedy sense special advisers on the ground in vietnam and you have special forces on the ground and i think

increasingly in modern conflict you will see special forces operating on the ground in a small sort of shadow capacity. i think you'll continue to see that but not a ground invasion president medvedev of russia said that moscow will not support a resolution against syria's bashar regime does it undermine common approach towards the problem. well this these visas generally intend to do so if russia would china. it is something within the security council of course it detracts from the world but i think it seems to me that at the moment any kind of potential military solution or any kind of resolution against syria wouldn't happen at the moment as as i understand it i'm i'm not an expert on the middle east per se but i understand it. is making efforts to negotiate with opposition

and in so far as he continues to do that i think it will buy him time physically the security council ok now there is a risk as experts say that the assistance given to the rebels to do to the so-called trans national transitional national committee will go to al qaida to al qaeda elements that are present within the ranks of this committee. do you think there are grounds for research for social expectation well if you make a connection to al qaeda that's a quote it is quite a long connection to me i don't even think you need to make that form of a connection simply because do we really know who the benghazi rebels are and i think this is a big question did we really know who the majority in were when the c.a.a. funded them back in during the war in afghanistan i mean this is this is the real question is not necessarily links to al qaeda a word to

a q i am al qaeda name something margret but even to any other group flooding flooding. a civil war essentially or an area prone to civil war with weapons is not necessarily an inviolable policy you have no idea where those weapons will end up or who those people will be eventually because good question of what happens to countries like a like libya after the war is over so we just leave. if we just stop fighting and that is it it will turn them into sort of an afghanistan local law lawless land. like a nice place for all those clowns and rend and groupings and then and then and. who all that try to tribal leaders coming to power but if we want to to establish a sustainable peace in the country it's a long and costly for do you think that the europeans will be ready to to go for it

in times of crisis economic difficulties i don't think the west has the political will or the attention span to see that out i think the west is losing as attention span shorter and shorter it gets focused on domestic political consolidation look at what's going on within europe within the euro delaying the inevitable regard to greece and now to to new debt ceilings in italy look at the congressional battles in washington as you can see that the attention span just snaps so i don't think. that a lasting peace will be stabilized and imposed by the european union by need or by the u.s. . and the other thing. if. people within nato if they will decide to go for peace too to work for or for for a treaty between khadafi of the rebels will they let mediators like like south

africa for example or russia step in and try to to to to set up an agreement because this would this would this crude the previous policy which was the inevitable i would think of intially i would think that i believe that that makes sense i know that. president zuma just got into sort of deep raúl with cameron in south africa over this matter and i as i understand you sent your great chess experts to negotiate libya so i mean i think that that is what makes sense in terms of bringing in other members of the international community and their experiences of resolving conflicts. what do you think. libya's war means for the future of nato and the e.u. common defense project does it need rethinking is it in the in the in the rethinking process the moment a sign of things to come i think that increasingly we will see coalitions of the willing we saw in iraq. like we saw it like we're seeing in libya.

i think what will happen within nato is you will see these coalitions of the willing group around certain issue areas so for example with cyber defense or with climate change or with nuclear defense and in terms of i think it's ringing the death toll the interventionism i think imposing values at the point of a gun hopefully is a policy which is being rid of the west as we speak in libya at the moment it's highly ineffective this week as we discussed and. it seems that nato is richer getting russia's proposal to share the responsibility for europe's missile defense according to the sexual principle is it a sign of the persisting distrust in europe towards the russian. i think that the problem within europe itself is that you've got so many different gazes towards russia there's a german gays and there's a british gays and there's

a french gays and there's an italian gays and very very very seldomly do all of these gazes look you know in the same direction and so i think this will just be symptomatic of european relations with moscow but as a i mean as i see it i think that the european union does far better in negotiating with russia as a collective entity than nato does but i think things initiatives like the nato russia council are very valuable and even if they disintegrate at some point it's important if even if they're sort of suspended they don't disintegrate so i think it's important to keep them in place and the you know the role of the united states it seems that for the first time in decades the u.s. is not playing a leading role in the military operation doesn't did put the idea of self dependent european defense policy into leisure and absolutely absolutely and i think this is this is again indicative of

a shift of of washington's gaze toward the east if you look to what secretary of defense bob gates one of his last sort of tours he talked about the pacific and the importance of the pacific and the way in which washington's attention will be much more focused on pacific looking at newer global strategic partners in a way that france germany britain might not be the default strategic ally and i think that is that is indicative of things to come thank you thank you very much and just reminding that my guest in the studio today was alex this crowd the next group on international security at the institute of international affairs and that's it for now from all or part like we'll be back with more and comments on the what's going on in the show little went to take.

norway's nightmare at least ninety four are confirmed dead after the country's worst shooting spree in modern history it's a youth camp and a huge blast shatters the scepter abbas law. so police arrested thirty three year old old hegemon allegedly behind the tags party speaks exclusively to a bad news the shooter a person and believes he was brainwashed either by nationalism or religion. konami troubles just playing in europe and the us research credit rating under threat again while america blues closer to defaulting on its massive debt.

all it's midnight here in moscow the twenty fourth of july you're watching r t thanks for being with us now to our top story at least eighty seven people are now confirmed dead after a shooting spree at a region youth camp now that attack in just a matter of hours after a powerful blast in downtown all slope at least seven lives and extraordinary pictures emerged from friday's events if you look to be a bottom left of your screen an act of desperation as a man in the water pleads for his life while the gunmen carries on with this brutal executions in a way thirty two year old norwegian man is being held in connection. with both the bombing at the shooting and there are reports he's linked to a far right movement. that was seized by special forces in the area where victims' relatives had gathered but it's not clear if he's an accomplice an atrocity

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