on the other hand once the government. what to do. the government the snow do a good job of looking good in the nodal for people to wake up otherwise we'll just become slaves to the system who want to be treated as humans and they believe they can make a difference. the government has to change things because they don't have a choice. with greece in shambles and neighboring portugal trashed by the rating agencies spain is facing not just a financial but a deepening social crisis members of the so-called indignant marchers say they want their dignity preserved but whether their calls will be heard is another issue even though. madrid well there is more bad news for greece as well its credit score has dropped to just one notch above default following last week's second bailout package well ratings giant moody's says rejigging of the debt imply substantial

losses to private investors financial journalist johan van overtveldt says the rescue package is nothing more than banks paying money to other banks we're bailing out the banks and we wouldn't be that soft i presume with greece if there wasn't the problem of the french and the german banks not only of these two companies but of course there are the major players in this if they were in that vulnerable to the greek situation and beat were throwing money at the banks through greece this package will certainly not help the greek economy the greek economy needs growth and since you're in the midst of a very bad recession you're blige the country to cut spending to increase taxes then throwing some money. is not the solution greece is now effectively in default because if you calculate on the net present value what private bond will give in.

you amount to a value reduction or four you come to a value reduction of around twenty percent europe we don't have a political union and we don't we certainly don't have flexible labor markets so from the beginning. there were huge weaknesses in the whole construct of the monetary union in europe and my big surprise is that it has lasted then years before through this kind of crisis these weaknesses came to the surface on the other side of the ocean american politicians are still tussling over how to raise the country's debt ceiling while republicans and democrats argue secretary of state hillary clinton has been trying to calm a nervous asian investors that they will meet next week's deadline let's talk to michael panta who is a senior economist at europe the civic capital in the united states thank you very much for being on the program now but us secretary of state as well as the treasury secretary are confident that a compromise will be reached and that the debt ceiling will be raised what do you

think are you convinced well i don't want to. ensure you get. to really when we have. so the. evolution of the church they should carry very unlikely. even today. but you seem to be referring to a deadlock we're talking about at least what doesn't america have an obligation to other countries to sort this out because any u.s. default will have serious consequences asian investors are already very worried and there is also the all of the nation. sure that our foreign creditors you know we

will all our deficit problems you know usually you know suggested the ratio on. our will is ninety seven percent. or twenty three trillion dollars knowing our tree on a platter or anywhere near the united states that our deficits are growing at one point five trillion dollars and no one should be on the planet as this problem we made a hundred and fifteen trillion dollars worth of promises to our seniors through our own programs. that money available what we are trillion dollars dollar economy most of which is. day and salacious it's mostly a falling economy and we have an obligation to show our clearly times not to let them know that we will not raise our debts you'll get our under mandates under

control but you seem to be perhaps painting a rather bleak picture here is ok even if the u.s. does manage to avoid a default do you think that this crisis is an indication to investors to basically pull out and put their assets or investments elsewhere well you know i did laser like i did all of your friends in russia i had to tell you there is no way the euro know if you trade it. as it is. even as you go to measure it measures it is three point six percent sheepy i have three point six percent year over year interest rate is our early teen and harrison is year over year. as measured by and you are growing in the old it's we have an inflation problem and a massive issuance of debt problem and yet we yield on treasury all jurors are. there is no law. and the emphasis.

when it is your language. then i or the. economy is revealed to the. lesser value you did start to lift it up a bit earlier you said that you're one of the few with the opinion that you hold but what is the view of the american people over their death be a big issue it is a big issue for lawmakers to thrash out are just again another democrat republican a political bickering well. i just i don't. know st. joe's and. it's almost as if. there's very little space there. secretary clinton showing up and told you there is. a look at the united states.

to demand you back you form triggers almost fifty percent or. any of you back your money your principal interest dollars that are. already left. but only time to time in order meet. sure and a little. every word and the inexorable initiation perpetrated upon the american people by the reserve bank and mr patten thank you very much for some sorry that's all the time we have a thank you very much for your thoughts here and side senior economist at the euro pacific capital in the u.s. thanks again. well there still are much more to come on the program including and the cost of war as nato forces in afghanistan a cause and more civilian injuries we ask how much longer the alliance can judge.

defiance means as anger in afghanistan grows. plus and no conviction but no apology either a former guantanamo inmate lifts the lid on the prison that ruined his life in our exclusive interview in about ten minutes time. but thousands of their regions gathered in the center of oslo one monday for a candlelit vigil for the victims of twin attacks that left seventy six dead people health hours and candles to commemorate those massacred in the shooting at an island youth camp as well as the bombing of government buildings the man who has admitted the atrocities as been charged with terrorism at a close court hearing in ask though that he will be held in isolation for four weeks others brevik pleaded not guilty saying he wanted to save europe and send a strong signal against immigration he also claimed there were two more cells in the organization he belongs to investigative journalist tony gosling says police may have already been aware of it. it was interesting the police said they never

come across him before the norwegian police but i wonder very much i wonder if the secret service in norway has been watching him because it was very strange that when he was first arrested on friday the police actually called out his name to him now it was very i would be if they would have actually known as they first approached him what he was i would have thought that from the arrest point that's where the investigation would have started from this guy obviously needs to go down if that's what the jury finds and let's make sure that he's not free to roam the streets because what concerns me is some of the right wing terrorists we've had in europe over the last thirty forty years really still are this is from the operation gladio and other similar operations by nato still are walking the streets. that was investigative journalist tony gosling talking to us there. of five afghan children have been injured in an attack by a british apache helicopter they were working in a field in helmand province on saturday where u.k. forces were targeting an insurgent on

a motorcycle nearby almost fifteen hundred civilians have been killed this year which is already the deadliest since the invasion started in two thousand and one peace activist lindsey german told me earlier that the alliances actions prove the war is not working. i think it will convince more people in afghanistan the war isn't helping them but it is actually killing and injuring more and more people so it isn't working isn't going to work when you have a war where the risk of growing insurgency will be all sorts of people who are victims of this and children are obviously one of the worst of the casualties the only solution to this is to say war isn't working it has there is absolutely no justification for nato forces to be there and that they should withdraw the troops this is now coming up to the tenth anniversary of the war and there is absolutely no question that this war is not getting better it is getting worse it is almost

certain that whatever settlement eventually comes in afghanistan it will involve the taliban in some capacity nearly everybody now recognizes this so what is the point of continuing this war the point of continuing this war is because the americans and the british and their allies kamelot admit defeat in the second country after what happened in iraq that is why they're there they're there in order to prop up a government that they have no real confidence in. in order to save their own faces they are there to protect their interests they're not there to protect the ordinary afghans and we've seen this again this week. that was an a-z. german from the stop the war coalition. and now it syria's government has approved a law to allow the formation of political parties other than president assad's ruling baath party opposition movements were bad when it came to power in one thousand nine hundred sixty three now it's part of a series of reforms promised by assad to try and quell months of protests against

his regime for more that we can now talk to political theorist benjamin a barber thank you very much for being with us so we know you've been waiting there for a few minutes now mr barber a multi-party political system is a key to. and of the anti-government protesters do you think this will bring about the beginning of the end of the uprising. i'm sorry i we don't seem to have a stylish a sound connection with mr barber we'll try to bring him back into the program later on. ok will be alastor serbian fugitive wanted by the u.n. a war crimes tribunal has appeared in court gore on how to traces fourteen charges including crimes against humanity during the balkans war in the one nine hundred ninety s. serbian officials hope his arrest will clear the way to e.u. membership janet johnstone has written extensively on the balkans war says the

hague court was set up to bring only one side to justice. the tribunal that it is indeed set up may need to to back the natal version of the yugoslav crisis as being the responsibility of a syrian joint criminal enterprise i don't think there are areas more corrupt and other countries are already and militants of the e.u. but i think the thing is is this really in the benefit to the benefit. if you listen to what the europeans are saying they're saying up another hurdle has been crossed they're not saying the last hurdle there is saying an important hurdle and the other hurdles remain namely is that the recognition by serbia of the rip off of its problems of kosovo i think that most return to the group that is in power which is the group that is backed by the united states and the european union is in fact ready to give away everything it can be given away it's only

a question of how they can formulated in order to get it has the syrian borders. all that was balkans expert janet johnson giving her appraisal of what will come out of the had a trial. and i wor world news in brief for you this hour the new york hotel maid who accuses the former i.m.f. chief of sexually assaulting her has gone up public nothing. told newsweek magazine that she's telling the truth about the attack in may and that she wants to see dominic straus gone and behind bars your thought is are considering whether to drop the charges against him amid doubts over her credibility. and denies all the charges. hundreds of gay couples got married in new york on sunday the american state has become the sixth and most populated to recognize same sex unions the i do's began at midnight to the cheers and applause of friends and family meanwhile thousands condemned the weddings at rallies across the state.

well we now go back to one of our stories on a serious government having approved a law to allow a multiparty system in the country let's cross live to a political theorist benjamin barber thank you again for being with us sorry for the a disconnection earlier now and mr barber a multiparty said political system is a key demand of the protesters do you think that this change will be the beginning of the end of the uprising it will not because it is not anything but a formal and technical change the reality is this government cannot afford to have a genuine multi-party approach because the parties that will be empowered include powers that want to see the end of holloway rule and the end of bashar assad you know the words if they do more than just a formality it will lead to the fall of government so i do not believe that this is

anything more than a attempt to stall for a while the uprising and i do not believe it will lead to multi-party democracy and i do not believe that in the end it is going to stop the uprising in any meaningful way ok welcome. she's like britain france and the u.s. they have been actively pushing for the u.n. to condemn the syrian regime do you think that push will continue despite a concession which actually you don't think will actually come to anything well by the way a number of years ago about four years ago assad actually talked about a multi-party system and the only result was that the muslim brotherhood and other fundamentalist powers led to the opportunity and the baths as a result backed off i mean if they were really to empower parties it would be the fundamentalists who would who would benefit but i would suggest that the united states and the western powers are being hypocritical they talk about wanting change but of course they haven't really put any pressure. on syria of the kind that they

have put on libya for example and i don't see any nato warplanes preventing civilian casualties i don't see anyone really moving to look for an alternative the fact is the west doesn't like bashar assad but he is the known evil and i think they're very worried about what the unknown alternative might look like so i suspect that while they will continue to posture in public and pretend to condemn the regime they will do little to actually remove assad he knows that and therefore he will make some nice noises about multi-party democracy and about accommodation but in reality he will hang tough and i believe that very little will change here you did mention a libya there and the same countries i mentioned earlier didn't sense that the violence could be stopped only with nato intervention could weaken pair the two countries i mean just how similar is the situation in syria to the one in libya

well they're not and i've been writing for a long time that each of the countries involved in the arab spring is very different from one another libya is a country of five million or six million people with a great deal of oil. that had actually relatively friendly relations over the last seven years. from the. nurses and hostages that he was holding and had a pretty good relationship the uprising in benghazi it was the uprising of a tribal nature of those who in the one nine hundred fifty s. supported the monarchy that was headquartered in benghazi and what we have in libya today is a tribal war not just about gadhafi but between the. east and tripoli and triple a tanya in the west and this is a war that's going to go on even i think if gadhafi is killed in. syria

on the other hand is the long standing monopoly of one party a. secular party headed now. the fault. of assad who is in fact an ophthalmologist in london and had no political experience and came back to undertake a governance and who is rather naive and not really very. very used to holding power and the result is that in syria you have i think a regime that will not fold will not. will not accommodate and probably believes that the west doesn't really want it to fall even though it's publicly criticizing syria so there are two completely different situations in libya i think you're going to get a persistent civil with or without gadhafi in syria you're going to get

a persistent tyrannical government that will not yield and will not be forced out of power by the west ok well thank you very much. thank you. thanks very much. well that's how the news. tonight from moscow now despite president obama's pledge to shut the notorious prison camp one tunnel bay continues to wreck lives and spoke to one former prisoner who says the u.s. has not even given a simple apology for his years of torment that interviews next. the

united states held. a detention camp for five years before releasing him without charge mr been given an apology or an explanation by the americans. they did not what's even i don't thing that are going to apologize when you were arrested in pakistan in two thousand the. group it's called. helping. young people who have problems with drugs or homeless people who has problems at all they always come from pakistan they have their own fault eighty million members. i think the biggest group.

nonpolitical. against war of course and they also hate it. because they are against war but. when i went to pakistan i went to that school. they have each year i guess. between thirty and forty. students who was wisting that school each year. what were the circumstances of your wrist when i got arrested. they didn't told me anything and what's going on they didn't told me. that they're looking for terrorists so there was a set just we don't. going to check your passport a lot i did not know that time was a default bonspiel through some dollars for each person and. not under my name but for anyone who was to him no lots of the americans as

a terrorist they would receive through and through some dollars in pakistan a lot of money was not socialism just when i had my first interrogation i can go months to my detention in pakistan. they asked me if i want more with osama bin laden he didn't there was not interested on me it was you were transferred to come to haul in afghanistan what happened there in qana was happening. all kinds of things like you can just imagine on the thoughts. and. on myself i saw many people got killed on the torture and. i was one of those who survived those kind of closure on myself they used electroshocks because i will not sign papers and. i was forced to agree that i may be a member of probably want to go and. even really i didn't know at the time

what used to be i didn't know a lot i tried anything so. when they asked me what i thought in taliban i said i'm not a member of them and they brought me papers forced me to sign i refused and that they tortured me about they forced me to write me to sign. electroshocks and. in other times he forced me to to water. in a school a lot a lot of boarding that's not. on the water boarding so another time they hang on chains i had chains on my hands and i was hanging on the ceiling it was pulling me on the ceiling with a chain and you into my feets used to be all over the floor and. off the few days i start to pos of course because in that situation i could not eat or drink and it was freezing call it was during winter time and i had no clothes on so i was

hanging there for many days when the interrogator came he pulled me back down and he asked me are you going to sign on out every time i said no he just made like this and they're putting that up what happened to all the detainees at guantanamo i got water. after i had seen a couple things got a couple couple of people got killed in front of me so it wasn't the first second one i got i had so many people got killed and some of them got just keep on his head the until he died. and saw that one he was hanging on chaney until he did. many things but when i got to waterboard of course i was sure. i can be the next one whether any under each detainees in guantanamo yes the youngest one was nine years old the second youngest was twelve and i still can't

understand. why they get arrested do you agree with u.s. officials who say. that it makes people tell the truth when they told me if i will be terrorist i never will to agree because they are touching me anyway so what i have to do is tossing it tom people on the top told them couple things i don't know if it was a. lot many people are lying because. if they torture they are asking. especially questions so. they can just answer yes or no and that's why in the most of the station it's where you told anything about your legal status at guantanamo i never did know the first three years i didn't know even that my family knows that i'm a life and i even didn't know did not know that my family doesn't know that i'm in

guantanamo i didn't know anything so. when i got arrested for you know told me anything else thank you for speaking with l.t. . for the. we've got. the biggest issues get the voice face to face with the news makers. the top stories on our t.v.

a show of my did madrid the sound of the spanish capital over soaring unemployment and the government's handling of the struggling economy. across the atlantic the rush to reassure the world's markets that the u.s. can avert the looming default even though the president and legislators can't agree on how to lift the multi-trillion dollar debt limit. and over one hundred thousand people gather in norway's capital to mourn the seventy six victims of friday's atrocities the man who admits the attacks is charged with terrorism. and bounty hunters have been around for centuries but even they are having to adapt to changing times when our t. special report we discover who is on their helpless these days that's up next. by the rest. of the weapon ok he would be on the stomach and then i got the weapon ok that's one now that was left handed i had to be prepared for either hand if it was his right hand right hand saying thing if it's his right hand ok i

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