hello i'm john harwood in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight the big picture it's back to square one for republicans after speaker baiters grand old plan proved only to be a grand debt limit disaster with only five days left with the house to be able to draw up a new deal before a nation of faults and if the right wing continues to inject their most fear mongering rhetoric into american society that our nation faces the same consequences as norway.

you need to know this there was supposed to be a vote in the house tonight on speaker john boehner his debt limit plan but instead the chamber is silent why because droves of republicans came out against boners plan yesterday after the c b o said the proposal doesn't quite deliver on its promises innards of his plan save a trillion dollars actually the cvo. only eight hundred fifty billion so just like that better better full poll the vote now just hours ago beta release day revamped proposal saves nine hundred seventeen billion and he's telling his republican colleagues that it's time to get in line so will they listen and can republicans really be taken seriously anymore in the debate after the legislative embarrassment of this week for more on this i'm joined from capitol hill by organ congressman peter de fazio congressman welcome so i stopped. a source at standard and poor's

said that the boehner plan will still lead to a credit downgrade presumably the new one as well and the c.d.o. slashed beaners estimated trillion dollars eight hundred fifty billion so the republicans backed out of the deal so boehner you know he recycled it once. no not here well i don't think they really care to tell the truth you know we are we've got an example from last week last week of funding for the federal aviation administration. you know construction for safety and security programs expired we've stopped collecting the tax thirty million dollars a day most of the airlines are treating it as a windfall and sort of as republicans say cut taxes on corporations and bill passed on to consumers and guess what they're taking the money and ninety thousand destruction workers have been laid off critical safety projects and security projects are stopped four thousand f.a.a. employees and the republican shrug so taken the country to the precipice on

a default i really think it's kind of part of their game plan and make things as bad as possible and they hope that somehow their presidential candidate whoever that might be emerges from the rubble what kind of country they're going to have left and i don't know if they really care because the rich people will still be doing fine they'll live behind you know their security gates and they'll fly in their private planes and you know i mean they won't. it's a pretty tragic. view of it but i think i believe you're absolutely right in a press conference today congressman larson in cliburn so that they believe that there's a failsafe mechanism if republicans are hell bent on destroying the government the fourteenth amendment's statement that there could be a debt of the united states should not be question your thoughts. well i mean the president could say you know we're going to continue to roll over debt and issue bonds and you know the republicans what with their record speed if you record as they go to court and probably the courts as usual would say it's a not just likable controversy because congress is so in the president or they

could impeach him those are their only alternative so yeah that's that's possible the you know the president could do that confronted with unbelievable her responsibility on the part of these people what is a non just a couple hundred years. well i've run into this several times when i've tried to sue presidents for having wars without congressional constitutional authority and the courts have decided that since congress controls the powers of the purse therefore it you know it has recourse they can just cut off money and therefore they can't sue for the president not following at least in the case of wars the constitution of the united states this would be a little fuzzy your case but you know probably by the time it not on its way through the courts who knows you know by then maybe you would have solved the problem so they're basically saying this is between the legislative and executive branch and there's no room for the judicial branch in this. historic way but that's

before we had an activist right wing supreme court so who knows that's true they're deciding elections like they did in two thousand and three do anything reports are that obama and boehner have agreed to raise the medicare age or had agreed to before the negotiations fell through what what does the president think. i got no idea what he's thinking you know clearly he doesn't live in the same world the same people i do. who would tell people with sixty five. sorry you can't have medicare till sixty seven i mean we already have a huge problem anybody who's unemployed over age fifty have a heck of a time getting a job in their cobra is right out and try and buy private insurance in this market if you're over age fifty if you've ever been sick one day in your life so i don't know what he's thinking with that there are ways to reform medicare there are ways to you know secure the future so security not by raising the retirement age but by

just making people pay on all their income social and on medicare we could you know go to a negotiated drug benefit that save twenty billion a year there are many other ways that save money in medicare and you could look at a progressive premium for higher income people what other options are on the table at this point and and even you know in that larger thing of having a discussion about debt debt plans and budgets and all i kind of stuff is that really all just nonsense i mean the bottom line here is we're arguing over basically a housekeeping procedure raising the debt ceiling. that's true alternately it has been routine in the past although political but routine it's order torkel points but never really been threatened i offered an option yesterday which i think is a winner which is the do nothing. congress is really good at doing nothing especially the senate so we pledged to do nothing when it comes to extending the bush tax cuts and the president as a backup pledges to do nothing which means they could beat zero should congress

decide to extend the bush tax cuts and that means seventeen months from now we would drop three point eight trillion dollars the ten year deficit and then we could get on the real issues like creating jobs harry truman would love to hear are there any plans i guess that sounds like one of them won't screw over working people. that one wouldn't i mean yeah granted down to as low as fifty thousand people pay a little bit more because what their parents or grandparents once they get medicare are so screwed you did get medicare and social security their kids would still get you know pell grants and student financial assistance other programs are essential for a you know for a civil society we continue and so i think it would be a pretty fair way to resolve this issue but senator obama ari caved once on the bush tax cuts and now he himself has adopted this stupid republican idea of the so security tax holiday. very little chance that he would agree to his part of doing nothing yeah that's that's unfortunate well we'll keep an eye on it congressman

peter de fazio thanks for the great work you're doing the house of representatives and thanks for keeping us informed and thank you tom appreciate the opportunity great to have you with us for more on the political side of this i'm joined by eric burns former president of media matters for america and currently a partner and strategic communications consultant at bullfight strategies eric welcome and how are you great to see hear. your take on the politics of this well i mean i think it's all politics you know if the republicans in the house were serious about protecting the full faith and credit the united states and in preventing a tax increase an economic calamity on the country they would pass a clean debt ceiling increase and i'll say i actually brought one that was passed when george h.w. bush was president you'll notice it's looks like it's going to it's one sets i mean this is here they claim they cry about thousand page bills it's what literally one

sentence is all they have to pass to basically their basic duty but they already introduced this and every republican in the house voted against it yes half the democrats is and i'll tell you you know i went look back at the when the bush presidency seven different seven different times the republicans controlling congress pass a debt ceiling increases for president bush since obama's been present there have been three that still increases not a single. republican has voted to increase the debt ceiling since opposing president what it shows you is just it's political and nothing else and what their agenda is is to essentially have obama. and the economy crash on the rocks so that they can yes we can it's only twelve the same thing we saw in the ninety's with your console project and you know which is going to well documented and so project was out of the arkansas project was the well funded orchestrated effort in a case on the mystery of much yes and it would cost the taxpayers billions of dollars and seventy one million i think it was walsh in this bill yesterday

and so you know it was it was obviously seven years of waste and political ambition going to lie and that's what we're seeing again today and it's but it but i think it's at a different level tom well it's almost like you know a bomb a squeaky clean you know his his wife wasn't a lawyer so there's no rose gate rose law firm gate he hasn't fired anybody in the travel agency so there's no travelgate. there's no land deals in his past so there's no water but watergate there ever was and and it looks like he's not get on with it in turns in the oval office does the same neighborhood i think it is and what are they going to do in his career when he was yelling no he actually did . you know represent acorn and that's i think one of the reasons that the republicans went so hard after acorn as a way and of course we know that they for your fight for fox in the party they've launched massive campaigns to attack and discredit the president calling them

horrible names that we haven't seen anyone call president of states i don't think ever in this in this country socialist communist you know not american not american and i'll tell you what what shocks me is you know people are talking about enough the majority leader the house eric cantor short selling treasury treasury because you know against this debt ceiling crisis when he's in a position to. so we make this happen or really not make it happen it's unethical it's like pete rose you know betting against his own team. in major league baseball but you know he's eric cantor's actually betting against america and when people have people out there in the country don't maybe don't realize as a reporter enough that when you see these facts you know about the voting records and the majority of the house voting against america it makes it pretty obvious to the astute observer what's going on here john boehner before he went to his own caucus and went to russia. but this is telesales or what what does this tell us

about the state of the republican party and who's really in charge here would i have said for a long time you know that really the giant media apparatus that the right has built in rush limbaugh and then of course the roger ailes of fox news really is running the party or was it a question about that we really would i was a media rather circular prove that out of a number of years with with data watching the talking points kind of go with the other direction and rush limbaugh was worth four hundred million bucks or that was his last track is really worth more than. hannity's contract was two hundred million one back you know forbes they said he's made eight hundred thirty eight million bucks last yeah and so it's like millionaires driving the political dialogue in the multimillion is multimillionaires and then of course billionaires and the koch brothers which will escape the other incredibly incredibly powerful rich individuals in the shadows that are funding you know this is the this campaign that's been growing effort for almost three years to just rip apart the structure

of the same suit with with hatred and racism and violence this is the way they think they're going to win the white house and amazing eric thanks so much for that let's take you to operate see again it's becoming increasingly clear republicans invented this economic crisis now just five days away by turning a routine housekeeping matter done eighteen times during the reagan administration seven times during the bush administration into a hostage taking at that. it's now gotten out of their own control and the hostages of the american working people and now the success or failure of the obama presidency i'm sure the real leaders of their party rush limbaugh and grover norquist are right happy. after the break it's our mid week alone liberal rumble so one of my panelists and jay daniel helper and jamie weinstein had to say about the republicans and devil in failures this week trying to. get website with twenty four seven live stream news towns what to do about the

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this was a night and time for the lone liberal when i debate to expert political commentators on the big issues of the week on our panel tonight daniel helper light editor the weekly standard and jamie weinstein senior editor at the daily caller daniel jean let's get started i think i was watching the most news in this morning and saw this . nixon one. said i gave my critics a sword. and a very famous. statement in this sense. has given in the republican seat cake in this sword of the default and they're in there they're going to hold it over is and you're right it's the it's true you coming toward us but what they do is a short term diversion in week two in the early next year in my god yes right as this again and. again like. groundhog day we're going to we're going

to keep repeating this i couldn't find a sex scandal on obama they couldn't find watergate they could you know that so this is it they're going to blow up the economy well i'm good working out preparing myself for the anarchy that will ensue in rated america. the documentary is the. machine guns are saving food i know just to get myself working out i just don't want to i don't want to get knocked off by it who knows but the fact of the matter is we are in a serious debt crisis more so than we were we are not previous we are if there is going to drag races people would be buying or bonds in interest rates to be a real question that we have long term fiscal problems that we have to get under control i believe that is not a crisis that is inherent but it's not urgent it's never as i'm sorry i said before you you you can say that now and then you have a black swan as they call it to come along that you have no no one expects and puts us over the edge wharton's but not urgent i believe we're going to there's no question either should you they should manufacture and nice i'm not doing anything

we want there's no why should a lot of clear already there is no i there's no question we should and we will pass the debt ceiling but it still does not believe it will end but we still need to deal with our long and difficult problems if the republicans are manufacturing a problem out of thin air then why are why are democratic leadership in the president of united states agr. being with republicans on the central premise which is that we've got an urgent problem that we have to fix well first of all i don't i don't i don't stipulate that most of the democrats in the house and senate are agreeing with the president on this but your question why is the president running i just didn't take notes i don't know how to read a ship i would harry reid has said we have an urgent problem president obama has said we have an urgent problem we have to do something about our spending he is still have bigger problem he says i look into refusing to go he has said that we have to live within our means that we need to reform the way we do things he said if not now if they are not now when this is a problem that we can i don't think this is not a partisan issue this is

a part this is a problem that both sides agree on the differences in the solutions and the solutions of course are very different and one side has offered a solution several solutions which is the republican side and that democrats have now in the last few days with harry reid offered a solution president obama still has no solution we don't know where president obama stand it's not for a solution that's the legislative leader of he is the president of the united states what he's been negotiating it that case he has been negotiating with the graphic party if he doesn't have a position republican what's the issue i can you agree with what actually have been proposed my problem is with his position and frankly that he's been he's been willing to put social security on the table that he's been negotiating you know medicare raises i you know and you know speaking of crazy right wing. brother this guy in norway is fifteen hundred page manifesto i mean he's just he's gone nuts he's courting pamela geller frank gaffney david horowitz the foundations for defense of democracies pajamas media it's

a who's who of the right wing you'll support and york times the washington post. i think it's offensive that you just led in with the right wing this is not well i'm not a right wing let's call let's let's not be nice to him let's call him what he is he's evil and what and it's not it's too nice to him to say he's an evil guy is you mates muslim is he who is he isn't terrible night tom. piers you of course not rational what do you think what do you think would be your game on progressive he quoted what do you think of one program so you put it well that this is easy and so i could do like noam chomsky were you thinking noam chomsky that's not the issue now is the issue this osama bin laden went on when he's one of his rants held up a noam chomsky book and said this is what this is a book that americans should read do you play noam chomsky for the death of three thousand people in the world trade center says i was you know noam chomsky it's the same type of our god is that is a saying is absolutely not it is is absolutely it is some have argued whole what it is it's evil it's evil it's not right wing it's not christian and let's see did you

leave let's see the late that day and let's stipulate also that nine eleven was evil and let's stipulate also that that would seem unfaded was evil when tim mcveigh blew up the oklahoma city building bill clinton said the guy's a criminal we're going to arrest him we're going to run into the criminal justice system right now jens stoltenberg the prime minister of norway is saying this guy's a criminal we've arrested him we're going to run him through the criminal justice system and by the way he held a press conference today no church no scanners to get in no wanding no metal the sheens he's saying we are going to continue having an open society george w. bush are not allowed in he said. be afraid we've got to have a patriot act we've got to do away with civil liberties we got to start groping people here. are things right people for a watch the comparative comparison is ludicrous first we live in a very open society in the united states in a post not a world in america it's not that hard i do it all the time i'm going to do it tomorrow i'll do it the next week and a week after the radiation i'll be fine i'm not worried about that i was in japan

recently for forty eight hours as much or more worried about my brief they had your hand than i once was getting on an airplane going back to the matter is that the let's do away with that nine eleven there was a group that cleared war on america an international network of people to make them a declared war on america he was he's a lone actor how many movies that have there been since that well this is these these guys were essentially these were these were state actors and what they're both as. as opposed to a while back you're either you know and i nine eleven there was state sponsorship of various very good zeki audits about ization if there's different because that's there's an actual provable network of people as opposed to timothy mcveigh and this nut case and you guys did not say in a way should have taken norway's path a decade ago it was totally different if this had happened in america we should have taken norway's path this is not what i don't think we should ignore the passion i don't happen in america i don't think he gave less than what he wanted if i don't i don't think i should act i don't think you should get less than twenty one twenty one years or less i mean that's i was a just never going to get life in prison or does not not according to the law

professors i talked to norway they said the maximum he can get is twenty one years and he may be five more years but it never happens well except for that i do i'm we'll see i do think that it will but this guy is not you know and i and i hope so and certainly our leaders in law provides for that but the but the point is that we fundamentally transform america george w. bush changed america he was wiretapping our phones without authorization any claim that was legal he was torturing people do not play or else little decisions we would be unfairly change america america still remains america and you don't have any daily problems with your civil liberties no be very few any americans have their phones wiretapped much less has been done at post nine eleven than was done by f.d.r. during world war two or wilson during world war one with the alien and sedition acts with the sedition act sorry this is not this this police state you're trying to get out of the alien solution acts were repealed. and roosevelt during world war one you know really when they go through the threat we're going to war because when

they had that later they were well nobody's talking about repealing bush is bush is crazy but anyway we got him over the mystic here so sorry the wall street journal is reporting general the company is moving its x. ray business to china headquarters they're moving their headquarters to try to jeffrey immelt is the head of president obama's jobs creation and he's moving. is headquartered in china that's going to. look i mean i'm from i realize i'm handing you i'm for free trade as in the words of harvard professor. gregory mankiw how about ninety percent of economists are so i mean if that's what he thinks is necessary first company i mean who are going to go over the american markets are be it for me to intervene here and say that how tell them how to run his own economy what it is but of course it does make the president look totally silly that he's appointed him to be the chairman of the president's on the job do you both agree that we shouldn't have any kind of domestic jobs policy that that is tied to

a trade policy no of course we should have domestic policies or trade that are tied to trade policy changes that we should i do i don't even know what that means i don't think we're going you know we should not prevent companies if they want to open up perhaps threes in other countries or are moved factories in other countries from stopping the wires like we should i was originally from opening a b.m.w. factory in the south of germany has restrictions on who can sell in germany they have substantial restrictions on the console and so does japan so this time we didn't feature the south korea so well all the countries that are successful right now don't agree with you i don't think that all the countries i was if that's what was ill russia china china south korea i think china is headed for a fall so i mean i mean if they're temporarily successful but maybe again they may or a lot of others are going to be going to these things and your pots has yet to be tested either because we have free trade agreements pending with colombia that have been what i got this is was tested from seven hundred ninety one to nine hundred we have we have a free trade but what is never going to get out of this is the root of it because because they're wrong but i mean. i don't i don't i don't believe the ninety

percent of economists agree with him he's going by the number that you could be wrong to greg mankiw harvard professor of economics would say that ninety percent maybe they would agree and very little but ninety percent agree on free trade this is this is like when i hear ninety percent of scientists are skeptical about global warming you know come on you know liars go if you're figures it's usually on the other side they say ninety percent or so. even it but any four thousand f.a.a. workers have been furloughed now republicans want to cut a billion and a half bucks out of the e.p.a. is is that like if they can do away with agency is the they just like slashing they're going back to the number we're roughly where it was five years ago i think it budget cutting taking a little bit from the e.p.a. making them less meddlesome and hampering business is not a bad idea the page those slated to get seven point one five billion dollars that's billion i mean this is an organization that doesn't do much which has a lot of it which has probably too much authority already and which gets

a lot of funding i don't have a problem with this at all in fact i'm in favor of even going to have a billion out of the yes we do want to get it but you don't want to cut it out of you don't want to touch the entitlement programs where the we're going to hell because i want to roll back the reagan tax cuts. you know if we went back to one thousand if we roll back the bush reagan and l.b.j. tax cuts we went back to the tax rates in one nine hundred sixty one we had a division little way into forty two percent and corporations were paying forty one percent on average of actual payments as opposed to the twenty four percent and eleven percent respectively that individuals and corporations are paying right now we would in ten years completely pay off the national debt that is the economy has always existed because it's again the same goods assuming that economy economy doesn't crash that's the contrary that idea that as a director gradually sixty what you're going to raise your but now you're raising them for where they're that's a great recipe for economic attach to talk about voodoo economics i mean that right there is your making wild wild assumptions based on it's only one time in history

when taxes were raised in the economy if you want to raise them back down to nine hundred sixty one levels i can give you examples of times when taxes were dropped in the economy crash. it was nine hundred twenty. one is the economy been stimulated over and over a drastic increase in taxes either every single time stimulus every absolutely every really like. what you really are when you when you drop the when you drop a factor it's a reagan job he did very well during those eight year period it was quite successful quick for. the party nation called on boehner to leave office been or brief limbaugh on the debt plan before taking it public to the. on monday norquist everybody signed was pledge so who's really in charge the republican party in or is it is it limbaugh's that norquist is who. i think no one single person is in charge of the republican party as it should be but i think there is right now the leader in the face of the party want to deal with that negotiations but you really

think so eric cantor though it's clearly not cantor it is clearly painter look the republicans has different eleanor's dillon and republicans are different people who are strong different issues paul ryan is obviously their go to guy entitle me to reforming entitlement programs john boehner has been the last week remarkably successful at a cheap in what his stated goals are. cheating what he set out to achieve has he is what success is he had every every single time he says something everybody walks away he hasn't had it there are no tax increases on the table now president obama is not in the negotiating room anymore by his own doing partly because the banner's doing the point that you would ever be used to study more interested in are going to survive this banner will go down as one of the most successful if if this trajectory continues will go down as one of most successful speakers in the last twenty or thirty years or leave it out that we'll see we'll see is there's a master says daniel jamie thank you both for. coming up wisconsin governor scott

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