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blog the welcome to spotlight the international on the parties i'm rubber enough and today we will talk about the tragic events in. the man who massacred at least seventy six people said his goal was to the world of europe the failure of its multicultural problems today many people including myself are very skeptical about how multiculturalism works so we have discussed it in spotlight with you several times but what makes a skeptic take a gun and dynamite is the norwegian terrorist just a madman who receive your face think a terror threat from their own nazi xom is something quite superior than that imo that i won't discuss it today with an editor in chief of the russia in global affairs magazine that will count. it began with a huge explosion near government building in the center of norway's capital oslo

a car bomb killed at least eight people a couple of hours later a man dressed as a police officer begin a shooting spree on an island i was know the targets were members of a youth camp run by the governing labor party the rampage last did ninety minutes before the police finally arrived at least sixty eight teenagers lost their lives the gunman surrendered to the police immediately after that ironical thirty two year old anders breivik admitted he was also responsible for those in the explosion privett was a member of the right wing populist progress party for a number of years he confessed to have authored a fifteen hundred page manifesto which stands against multiculturalism and islam part of the manifesto he's a date. day diary describe in preparation for the massacre three they appeared in a closed hearing in oslo on monday claiming he wanted to see europe from muslim

domination and saying he had two more groups of collaborators the same day hearings were held thousands of people went out on to the streets of oslo to participate in the rules march you know memory of the victims of the bomb attack and youth camp shooting there must the mind of the trust of these spent two weeks in solitary confinement awaiting these next court appearance great it could reportedly be sentenced to thirty years in prison the measure of punishment in norway for crimes against humanity. hello. well the initial reaction in the west was that the attacks had been conducted by muslim jihadi yes does that mean that the new york nancy threat is overlooked by special forces today in europe and countries i want to say it's overlooked by car of course

the first first reaction to any terrorist attack not not only now but if you remember what happened ninety ninety five in oklahoma when a. insane person ultimately mike we destroyed our federal building also everybody was convinced that it was a islamic jihad or something like that and for us then people started to to to be terrified by that as a groom homegrown terrorism so of course the the society is everywhere and authorities. are now for your stand on muslims which as we see quite frequently which is not not entirely correct. in scanner for example there is still an all traditional for. this isn't the so to say white power movement but it has also always been very marginal and maybe because of that

overall we have seen a steady rise of right wing anti immigrant parties especially europe over the last couple of years do you think that the norwegian massacre is part of this trend. yes of course the these guy is a madman and without any doubt so it's very very. dangerous to see that what he did is is a reflection of a trend so actually if you start to study his motivation i'm pretty sure we will find some personal reasons as always and in such cases so it but but of course the problem which he is pointing to exists and this is a victim of situation if this if this is the situation does that mean that we are witnessing a radicalization in a society a radical is asian and european politics and that and that and that there has been

a public locals and muslim fundamentalists are ready to go to violence in the streets no i don't think incentives that far already know but what we are witnessing in european politics since a couple of years especially three years it started to two years ago. election results sure the populist party is mainly focused on migration they used to gain significant. successes in elections he does not mean they win more than that i don't think those parties will last for long because they used to be in not a very serious political forces but the main thing the mainstream politicians they they turned. did the right wing. site and for example statements which now used to be done by by heads of states of has

a garment like i'm going miracle and it came in and it was so it was the about complete failure of multiculturalism we could not imagine something they had been. two years ago let's turn to some reactions to to to what happened in oslo in russia well here are some some of the reactions from russians from journalists who tend to put the blame for the massacre on noways rather than on the terrorists. some don't really decide what he did was constructs of human history but it would be wrong to say. so broke the law so much for the station not really a humanist values at recess in the relationship human rights it would take to. get there is a reason to doubt europe and start addressing these issues as a result. how would you comment on this.

so to blame on vigilant go in particular and bijan government because i am pretty worlds going in area i visited sweden norway denmark many times and i must say that just in those countries governments used to pay well lot of attention and used to make enormous effort just to implement this multiculturalism which was not the case in many other countries like germany or france or or never once saw in this this is irony of history the parable the grandpappy and just in norway at the same time of course. many people now experts including corruption experts. interethnic affairs they are saying that multiculturalism as a conception has has failed and europe needs to. look for some new mortals which unfortunately. unfortunately i haven't yet now this time

from from an article published in one of the russian national youth dailies. europe has been slapped hard because it's told me it was misled by al qaida it wasn't the international downgrading has gone down to become a hero thousands of nothing. really could build against the very concept of european society the rebel against the suicidal notion of cultural tolerance and complacent people who killed the martyrs martyrs only dogless religion. how would you explain outrageous points of view. in russia a country that fortnight. yeah but this feeling for school month is awful it's sort of what is what. are you saying you. have the national you that

eve printed in the paper the question of quality about professionalism and ethical borders for limits for and for journalism so that's another discussion unfortunately it's a big problem everywhere including this country but what what this those sentiments are reflecting unfortunately. we cannot understand we i mean all europeans including gresham's we cannot understand yet that the time when homogeneous society has gone forever we will never ever again live in a society where majority is certain original unfortunately and russian public and russian public opinion of the russian journalist as we see are absolutely unprepared to take this reality and to try to cope with. we had a quote from a russian blogger a russian journalist now a russian politician meatier i was in known for his nationalist views.

misinterpreted tolerance with regard to a multicultural world leads to a dramatic fall of resignations of political systems tend to radicalization of society this is how monsters like this one. should this tragedy be an alarm for the western society what we should say absolutely should be an alarm. an alarm saying do something with multiculturalism or do something with extremism or both if you do something do something because because the problem with the country and everybody is talking about that everybody in europe was talking about that since twenty or thirty years but if we try to understand what has been done in order to at least to try to to guarantee this harmonious coexistence of different. entities of the people different the

region culture religion and not much because the the problem is not necessarily with the concept of multiculturalism the problem is that politicians frequently prefer to use the rigs in order to so to see. not only with. not to deal with the real problem now this time is over so the they will need to do something and problem is what it was yeah so the political scientists feel that in the camp spotlight that shortly after the break that paid way or i don't know. last time the close of team was in the cool gun range and the firm influx from all

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luck. has. just seen. the books on. the books. welcome back to spotlight i'm just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is fear that a look can the editor in chief of russia in global affairs magazine when talking about the consequences of the tragic events in norway. this weekend of well we have

discussed what happened we have discussed the reaction in russia to what to what happened in there in europe well what's interesting is that this guy brevik the terrorist used to be a member of center right progress party which is the second largest party in the norwegian parliament do you think that that that what he committed which is obviously obviously a crime and he admits that will it. influence the put the position of his party in parliament and upcoming elections no i don't think so because he used to be a member of what's very short while and that was a while ago on feel a thing. until two thousand and four and he was on an active member he was just just a part of their environment i don't think it will have impact but what is interesting

this party actually which is rightly you said rightly its second strong party in in the parliament this party used to plan for size the need to limit migration. in a very civilized way so it's not an extremist original party but but still and yet now of course they are a little bit under attack because of this connection because of the general atmosphere. fight against in a foreign sort but what i what i guess and what they suspect that after initial period of statements as for example the region prime minister did that we will keep our organ society will keep our democracy and so and this right he should see just that he has to say. now than i think in europe at large in norway in particular we will see the gradual change of migration policy let's hear this reaction of

norway's prime minister's name is. to the attacks. we will have and will be for in a way after the bomb attack in beginning but who will still be a say it's very clear on our values of democracy and it's in this is a where we will compete to be active in their political work in a way where the confused state. will in this norway after the attack do you think that the famous norwegian social democracy would survive what would stay intact as we knew in before a yes no visual social democracy will survive the question is migration policy because the addition of the social democratic party is in europe and especially in northern europe used to be extremely international loosely minded the first signs of change was. was seen in finland where there is

strangely enough finland is a country. least affected by the migration away because it's difficult to leave legal russians russians here and nationalists yeah it's a different. notion. there quite a point if you will for migrants like seldom part of europe or. even that there is a clear growth of. protest feeling against something for him and social game to have an social democratic party and strangely enough try to take this argument from. from those nationalist parties which are much and i. in the world in sweden and norway now we can expect that all parties including the left main parties gradually will review knots not abruptly my gradual review

of their stance with the migration in the there in other thing i want to ask you i don't know if you know that i don't think anybody has the answer but still. breathing and maybe claims to be a member of that international underground organization called knights templar international how serious do you think these claims are and how serious do you think is the threat that similar attacks may happen somewhere else this particular statement by him i don't think and seriously he seems to be more important than you know yeah. as for. xenon the uniform big sentiments in the rest of europe i think security services policemen and politicians everywhere are quite concerned now because actually there have been in norway again as we discussed before it's a very they're they're running they're just just in norway but if you take

countries like france or not it allows for spain with a red goodly growing amount of migrants and there is a different culture in the way it's easier there saw the temperament is different but i'm afraid. there are grounds to there are reasons to expect some not similar events at the events might have something to grow up as. maybe for example in france election next year already now it's quite quiet two or out of three main contenders are sarkozy president sarkozy and modi lappin. in different ways of course but they are trying to usenet to you to address this issue from a letter point of view and i will not be surprised if. that topic will be

a central point of possession up in france what about russia mr redlich he said that he sympathizes the party called national in russia i think he said that in one of his interviews and he also claims and this was in the press it's in his manifesto there's a published he says that there are like minded persons in russia this is what he says do you do you think that. there really is a threat that something like this may happen in russia and that there that the anti migrant sentiments are as strong in russia as it lead to something so i hope he's wrong about national movement because that would be very strange because it's very close to the government budget as all these people who he shot they were closer than ever to yeah exactly. this this island was very

way our silly gear. but i'm afraid not in inside national movement but in underground. groups which are quite close to mr briggs views and also again as we mentioned before there is a similar problem in this country as in the rest of europe that people people are afraid of change people are afraid of globalization actually because of because free movement on migration this is an element of globalized environment and those who cannot understand what what will follow what what happens next they they can also turn to violence hopefully not and that scale by but we know that. many incidence happens in russia as well. what is the

problem in particular problem in moscow and big cities in russia is that it's not about migrants looking migrants people from sandra leisure from our transco. southern carcass that's one one problem but we have a big community of russian citizens leaving for example in north korea hungry those were coming from a russian region of northern caucasus and unfortunately a big part relatively big part of the population. doesn't see them as compared to us that's the problem and what we had last year disappearance of man years of evolution a nationalistic slogans that was not against foreigners basically and it was against the are the russians not we've discussed that on the show and then people people come to thinking that this was inspired by some by some people behind the scenes that this wasn't like a genuine like a normal in no way it was that it was

a genuine reaction of this guy but in russia what happened in my mind was it was inspired like by pilots and maybe maybe it was inspired by if you can fix inspired if we'd snore nor potential so unfortunately potential is there and they're exactly that's the problem but if potential is there always who can expect some politicians who are prone to use it as today say that politicians you mention them so of course he cameron miracle they're their attacks and multiculturalism they're concerned actually triggers new intolerance and one of the population do you think the party the ruling politicians should continue criticising rethinking multiculturalism or not. criticize the rethinking of different two different options you should not be criticising that you started thinking i think. it's enough with criticism because what. what is needed now is just rethinking command and coming and coming

up with new ideas how to. new models how not to look closing the countries now i didn't say it is also this one what is important. for you it's important to mobilize for global as the column and then looking at demographic trends in russia in in the whole europe we will not survive with new waves of migration so that's am for russia for example that's there that's the biggest problem for years to accommodate it's become because in europe we are we are behind europe in terms of migration but but unfortunately we will need for some pattern hopefully. a russian leadership will learn very bad lessons from from europe which which produces now this situation bob barr unfortunately will need to address same challenges thank you thank you very much for being with us and just

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