works so we have discussed it in spotlight with you several times but what makes a skeptic take a gun and dynamite is the norwegian terrorist just a madman boris europe facing a terror threat from their own nazi extremists who won't discuss it today with an editor in chief of. russia in global affairs magazine so that will count. it began with a huge explosion new government building in the center of norway's capital oslo the car bomb killed at least eight people a couple of hours later a man dressed as a police officer begin a shooting spree on an island near oslo the targets were members of a youth camp run by the governing labor party the rampage last did ninety minutes before the police finally arrived at least sixty eight teenagers lost their lives the gunmen surrendered to the police immediately after that ironical thirty two year old unders brevik admitted he was also responsible for those low explosion

bridget was a member of the right wing populist progress body for a number of years he confessed to have authored a fifteen hundred page manifesto which stands against multiculturalism and is part of the manifesto is a day by day diary describe in preparation for the massacre brave they appear to the coast court hearing in those low on monday claiming he wanted to save europe from muslim domination and saying he had two more groups of collaborators the same day hearings were held thousands of people went out on to the streets of those low to participate in the rules march in memory of the victims of the bomb attack and youth camp shooting there must the mind of the atrocities who spent four weeks in solitary confinement awaiting these next court appearance brave it could reportedly be sentenced to thirty years in prison than. last year of punishment in norway for

crimes against humanity. homes the kind of love for the show well the initial reaction in the west was that the attacks had been conducted by muslim jihadists yes does that mean that the new york nancy threat is overlooked by special forces today in europe and countries i won't say it's overlooked but of course the first first reaction to any terrorist attack not not only now but if you remember what happened ninety ninety five in oklahoma when a. sane person ultimately mark we destroyed federal building also everybody was convinced that that was a islamic jihad or something on that and for us then people started to to to be terrified by their visit groom homegrown terrorism so of course the the society is

everywhere and authorities. are now for cure stand on muslims which as we see quite frequently which is not not entirely correct and in scanner for example there is a long all traditional for racism and so the so wide power movement but it has also always been very marginal and maybe because of those overall we have seen a steady rise of right wing anti immigrant parties especially europe over the last couple of years do you think that the norwegian massacre is part of this trend. yes of course the these guy is a madman and without any doubt saw it's very very. dangerous to see that what he did is that is a reflection of a trend so actually. if you start to study his motivation i'm pretty sure we will

find some personal reasons as always and in such cases so it but not of course the problem which he is pointing to exists and directive situation if this if this is the situation does that mean that we are witnessing a radicalization in the society a radical is asian and european politics and that and that and that there has unified the cloak olds and muslim fundamentalists are ready to to to to go to violence in the streets no i don't think it's that far already now but what we are witnessing in european politics since a couple of years especially two three years it started two or three years ago. election results sure the populist parties mainly focused on migration they used to gain significant. successes in elections it does not mean they

win more than that i don't think those parties will last for long because they used to be in not very serious political forces but the main thing the mainstream politicians they they turn. their right wing side and for example statements which now used to be done by by heads of states of has a government like angle in america all that it came in the course of was the about complete failure of multiculturalism we could not imagine something where there'd been. two years ago let's turn to some reactions to to to what happened in oslo in russia well here are some some of the reactions from russians from bloggers to journalists who tend to put the blame for the massacre are not always society rather than on the terrorists. some. called ready to cycle what he did runs

contrary to human history but it would be wrong to say he. is home grown fuel supplies for europe to play station human is two thousand years in recess in the relations of human rights and public safety. yet there is every reason to doubt that europe will start addressing these issues as a result. how would you comment on this. so to blame on their vision go in particular in their vision government that sound fair because i am pretty world's going to an area i visited sweden norway denmark many times and i must say that just in those countries governments used to pay a lot of attention and used to make enormous effort just to implement this multiculturalism which was not the case in many other countries like germany or france or or neverland's so in this this is irony of history that that terrible

event happened just in norway at the same time of course. many people now experts including corruption experts on nick interethnic affairs there are saying that multiculturalism as a conception has has unfortunately failed and europe needs to look for some new mortals which unfortunately. unfortunately i haven't yet now another quote this time from from an article published in one of the russian national youth dailies. europe has been slapped trotted across installing a new one slept by al qaida it was a norwegian national and then brady has gone down to become a hero many thousands of nothing. really good belled against the very concept of present day european society he rebelled against the suicidal notion of multiculturalism tolerance and complete the. people who killed the martyrs martyrs

of a new godless religion. how would you explain saudi outrageous points of view the blogger the journalist in russia a country that fortnight said yeah but this delayed his comment is awful it's. what is what. are you saying you yes there's an editor of the national you that he even printed in the paper this question about quality about professionalism and ethical borders for limits for and for journalism so that's another discussion unfortunately it's a big problem everywhere including this country but what what this those sentiments are reflecting unfortunately. we cannot understand we i mean all europeans including gresham's we cannot understand yet that the time

with homogeneous society has gone forever we will never ever again leave in a society where the majority is certain the region unfortunately and russian public and russian public opinion of the russian journalist as we see absolutely unprepared to take this reality and to try to cope with it we had a quote from a russian blogger a russian journalist now a russian politicians meeting and i was in known for his nationalist views. misinterpreted tolerance with regard to a multicultural world leads to a dramatic polarization of the political system and to radicalization of society this is how monsters like this one. should this tragedy be an alarm for the western society what would you say absolutely it should be an alarm. an alarm saying do something with multiculturalism or do something with next. when is

a point or both it should do something do something because because the problem with multiculturalism everybody is talking about that everybody in europe was talking about that since twenty or thirty years but if we try to understand what has been done in order to at least to try to to guarantee this harmonious coexistence of different. entities of the people different the region college or religion and not much because the the problem is not necessarily with the concept of multiculturalism the problem is that politicians frequently preferred to use am to rhetorics in order to so to say. not to deal with. not to deal with the real problem now this time is over so they will need to do something the problem is what because yeah says political scientists feel that a mechanic spotlight will be that shortly after

a break so stay where you are them down. if your file and upon my death feel better than. the trail back and i can talk about. those back to a time when people would like out of their forces and the one last and pick up piece future tense and put him into share the prosecution don't like the man i want to kill. him when they come up there to tell what. he have to hope that nothing. were chasing killers and you gotta keep that in mind i was a two. mean dollar bill please the rest. were not superheroes they can be killed

too you know they shoot me in the head i'm going to die. once you've heard man you know i'll never go back to know anything else wealthy british sign a long. time. go. to. market why not. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max cons are a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune in to cause a report on our. welcome back to spotlight i'm going off and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is further looking on the editor in

chief of russia and global affairs magazine we're talking about the consequences of the tragic events in norway. just look at a well we have discussed what happened we have discussed the reaction in russia to what to what happened in in europe well what's interesting is that this guy brevik that the terrorist used to be a member of the center right progress party which is the second largest party in. parliament do you think that that what he committed which is obviously obviously a crime and he admits that will it. influence the put the position office party in parliament and upcoming elections though i don't think so because he used to be a member about a very short while and that was a while ago until i think. two thousand and four and he. was not an active member

he was just just a part of their environment i don't think it will have impact but what is interesting this party actually which is a rightly you said rightly its second strong party in the parliament this party used to and for size the need to limit migration. in a very civilized way so it's not an extremist or a radical party but but still and now of course they are in a little bit under attack because of this connection because of the general atmosphere. fired the gains in the foreground so but what i what i guess and what they're suspect that after initial period of statements as for example not of huge and prime minister de that we will keep our open society will keep our democracy and this right he should say just that he has to say it now than i think in europe at large in norway in particular we will see gradual change

of migration policy well let's hear this reaction of norway's prime minister's name is yes south america to the attacks. we will have in a way before and in a way after the bomb attack in the killing but we will still be a society it's very clear on our values of democracy of openness in this is a where we will can people to be active in their political work in a way where they can feel safe. while in this norway after the attack do you think that the famous norwegian social democracy would survive what would stay intact as we knew in before a yes no vision of social democracy will survive the question is migration policy because the tradition of the social democratic party is in europe and especially in northern europe used to be extremely into. national is the glue mine that first

science of change was shown that was seen in finland where there is strangely enough finland as a country or at least affected by the migration away because it's difficult to leave maybe because russians russia and russia this year certainly by this a different. notion. there are quite a point if you all. migrants like sell them part of europe or but even that there is a clear growth of. protest feeling against something for him and social that infant in finland and social democratic party strangely enough try to take this argument from. from those nationalist parties which emerge and i think that in both in sweden and norway we can expect that all parties

including the left wing parties gradually will review not not abruptly by gradual review of their stance with the migration in there there another thing i want to ask you i don't know if you know and i don't think anybody has the answer but still this break and there's been a vague claims to be a member of the international underground organization called knights templar international how serious do you think this claims are and how serious do you think is the threat that similar attacks may happen somewhere else this particular statement by him i don't think is serious he he he seems to be more important than you know yeah yeah as for. xenon you know for big sentiments in the rest of europe i think security services policemen and politicians everywhere are quite concerned. no because actually that had been the

norm again as we discussed before it's a very badly ironic that just just in norway but if you take countries like france or not it allows for spain with a rapidly growing amount of migrants and there is a different culture in the way it's easier there saw the temperament is different but i'm afraid that. there are grounds to two external reasons to expect some not similar. events but by something to grow up as. maybe for example in france election next year already now it's quite quiet always that two or out of three main contenders are sarkozy president sarkozy and marion lappin in different ways of course but they are trying to use that to you to address this issue from electoral point of view and i will

not be surprised if they have that topic will be a central part of possession up in france what about russia mr redlich he said that he sympathizes the party called national in russia i think he said that in one of his interviews and he also claims and this was in the press it's in his manifesto there's a lot of he says that there are like minded persons in russia this is what he says do you do you think that. there really is a threat that something like this may happen in russia and that there that the that the anti migrant sentiments are as strong in russia as they normally can lead to something so i hope he's wrong about national movement because that would be very strange because it's very close to the government but as for all these people. he

shot they were close to the gun too yeah exactly but yeah. this this island was very low and our silly gear. but i'm afraid they're not in national movement in the underground there are groups which are quite close to mr briggs views and also again as we mentioned before there is a similar problem in this country as in the rest of europe that people people are afraid of change people are afraid of globalization actually because because free movement then migration this is an element of globalized environment and those who cannot understand what what will follow what happens next they they can also turn to violence hopefully not in that scale but we knew you know that. many incidents happens in russia as well.

what is the problem in particular problem in moscow and big cities in russia is that it's not about migrants or key migrants people from sandra leisure from our transco. southern carcass that's one one problem but we have a big community of russian citizens leaving for example in moscow or some bit as we're coming from a russian region of northern caucasus and unfortunately a big part relatively big part of population. doesn't see them as compared to it's that's the problem and what we had december last year this riots of man years an implosion in nationalistic slogans that was not against foreigners basically it was against the our the russians no longer we discussed that on the show and then people people come to thinking that this was inspired by some by some

people behind the scenes that this wasn't like a genuine but like a normal no way it was that it was a genuine reaction of this guy but in russia what happened in my mind was it was inspired by polity maybe maybe it was inspired but you can fix inspired if it's nor nor potential so unfortunately potential is there and they're exactly that's the problem that if potential is there always again expect some political suited to use it as today say that politicians you mentioned that he said of course he cameron miracle there their attacks and multiculturalism their concern actually triggers new intolerance and one of the population do you think the part the part of the ruling politicians should continue criticizing rethinking multiculturalism or not. criticize the rethinking of different two different options you would not be criticizing that you start rethinking i think. it's

enough with criticism because what. what is needed now is just rethinking can and coming coming up with new ideas how to new models how not to look closing the country's no i don't said it is because this one was impossible to. know it's of course even mobilize for globalized economy and then looking at demographic trends in russia in the whole europe we will not survive with new waves of migration so that's and for russia for example that's that that's the biggest problem for years to come a decade to come because in europe we are we are behind europe in terms of migration but but unfortunately we will need to follow some pattern hopefully. russian leadership will learn very bad lessons from from europe which which produces now this this situation bob bob unfortunately will need to address

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