you several times but what makes a skeptic take a gun and dynamite is the norwegian terrorist just a madman boris europe facing a terror threat from their own nazi extremism won't discuss it today with an editor in chief of the russia in global affairs magazine so that will count. it began with a huge explosion in a government building in the center of norway's capital oslo the car bomb killed at least eight people a couple of hours later a man dressed as a police officer begin a shooting spree on an island near oslo the targets were members of a youth camp run by the governing labor party the rampage last did ninety minutes before the police finally arrived at least sixty eight teenagers lost their lives the gunmen surrendered to the police immediately after that iran will thirty two year old unders brevik admitted he was also responsible for those low explosion

brevik was a member of the right wing populist progress body for a number of years he confessed to have authored a fifteen hundred page manifesto which stands against multiculturalism and this part of the manifesto is a day by day diary describe in preparation for the massacre brave they appear to the closed court hearing in those low on monday claiming he wanted to save europe from muslim domination and saying he had two more groups of collaborators the same day hearings were held thousands of people went out on to the streets of those low to participate in the rules march in memory of the victims of the bomb attack and youth camp shooting there must the mind of the atrocities who spent four weeks in solitary confinement awaiting these next court appearance brave it could reportedly be sentenced to thirty years in prison the measure of punishment in norway for crimes humanity against. helen the kind of love the show

well the initial reaction in the west was that the attacks had been conducted by muslim jihadists yes does that mean that the new york nancy threat is overlooked by special forces today in europe and countries i would say it's overlooked but of course the first first reaction to any terrorist attack not not only now but if you remember what happened ninety ninety five in oklahoma when a. scene person ultimately mark we destroyed federal building also everybody was convinced that that was a islamic jihad or something like that and for us then people started to to to be terrified by their visit groom homegrown terrorism so of course the society is everywhere and authorities. are now fork your stand on muslims which as we

see quite frequently which is not not entirely correct and in scanner for example there is a long all traditional for racism and so to see a wide power movement but it has also always been very marginal and maybe because of that overall we have seen a steady rise of rightwing anti immigrant parties especially europe over the last couple of years do you think that the norwegian massacre is part of this trend. yes of course the these guy is a madman and without any doubt saw it's very very. dangerous to see that what he did is is a reflection of a trend so actually if you start to study his motivation. pretty sure we'll find

some personal reasons as always and in such cases so it but not of course the problem which he is pointing to exists and director of situation if this if this is the situation does that mean that we are witnessing a radicalization in the society a radical is asian and european politics and that and that and that. the cloak olds and muslim fundamentalists are ready to to to to go to violence in the streets no i don't think it's that far already now but what we are witnessing in european politics since a couple of years especially two three years it started two or three years ago. election results sure populist parties mainly focused on migration they used to gain significant. successes in elections it does not mean they

win more than that i don't think those parties will last for long because they used to be in not very serious political forces but the main thing the mainstream politicians they they turn. their right wing side and for example statements which now used to be done by by heads of states of has a government lagaan going miracle that it came in the course of the about complete failure of multiculturalism we could not imagine something where there'd been. two years ago let's turn to some reactions to to to what happened in oslo in russia well here are some some of the reactions from russians from bloggers to journalists who tend to put the blame for the massacre are not always society rather than on the terrorists. some called really decide what he did runs contrary to human.

but it would be wrong to say. it's homegrown the loss of funds for europe to play station to prevent a human is thousand years at recess in the relation of human rights and public safety. yet there is every reason to doubt that europe will start addressing these issues as a result of tragedy. how would you comment on this. so to blame on our vision go in particular in their vision government that sound fair because i am pretty worlds going to an area i visited sweden norway denmark many times and i must say that just in those countries governments used to pay a lot of attention and used to make enormous effort just to implement this multiculturalism which was not the case in many other countries like germany or france or or neverland's so in this this is irony of history that that terrible event happened just in norway at the same time of course. many people now

experts including corruption experts on nick interethnic affairs there saying that multiculturalism as a conception has has unfortunately failed and europe needs to look for some new mortals which unfortunately. unfortunately haven't happened yet now another quote this time from from an article published in one of the russian national youth daily. europe has been slapped trotted across installing a new one slept by al qaida it was a new me to national understanding brady has gone down to become a hero many thousands of nothing. really good belled against the very concept of the european society he would value against the suicidal notion of multiculturalism tolerance and complacence the people he killed the martyrs martyrs of a new god. religion.

how would you explain outrageous points of view the blogger the journalist in russia a country that fortnight says yeah but this delayed his comment is awful it's. what is what. are you saying you yes there's an editor of the national you that he even printed in the paper this question about quality of professionalism and ethical borders for limits for and for journalism so that's another discussion unfortunately it's a big problem everywhere including this country but what what this those sentiments are reflecting unfortunately. we cannot understand we i mean all europeans including questions we cannot understand yet that time with homogeneous society has gone forever we will never ever again leave in

a society where the majority is certain the region unfortunately and russian public and russian public opinion of the russian journalist as we see are absolutely unprepared to take this reality and to try to cope with it we had a quote from a russian blogger a russian journalist now a russian politician meeting and i was in known for his nationalist views. misinterpreted tolerance with regard to a multicultural world leads to a dramatic polarization of the political system and to radicalization of society this is how monsters like this one. should this tragedy be an alarm for the western society what would you say absolutely it should be an alarm and get an alarm saying do something with multiculturalism or do something with extremism or or both actually do something do something. because

because the problem with multiculturalism everybody is talking about that everybody in europe was talking about that since twenty or thirty years but if we try to understand what has been done in order to at least to try to to guarantee this harmonious coexistence of different. entities of the people different the region college or religion and not much because the the problem is not necessarily with the concept of multiculturalism the problem is that politicians frequently prefer to use am to rhetorics in order to so to say. not to deal with. not to deal with the real problem now this time is over so they will need to do something the problem is what because yeah says political scientists feel that a mechanic spotlight will believe that shortly after the break so stay where you

are them down. if your file and upon my death feel better than. the trail back and i can talk about. those back to a time when people would like out of their forces and the one last and pick up the future dancing for him into share the prosecution. like the female. when they come up to the top one. and have to hope that nothing bad. were chasing killers and you gotta keep that in mind there's a two million dollar bill for the rest. but not super hero. you can be killed too

you know they shoot me in the head i'm going to die. once you've heard man you know i'll never go back to hide anything else wealthy british style. that's not on . the. market why not. come to. find out what's really happening to the global economy with max cons are a no holds barred look at the global financial headlines tune into cars a report on our. welcome back to spotlight i'm going off and just a reminder that my guest in the studio today is further looking on the editor in chief of russia and global affairs magazine we're talking about the consequences of

the tragic events in norway. just look at a well we have discussed what happened we have discussed the reaction in russia to what to what happened in in europe well what's interesting is that this guy brevik that the terrorist used to be a member of the center right progress party which is the second largest party in. parliament do you think that that what he committed which is obviously obviously a crime and he admits that will it. influence the put the position office party in parliament and upcoming elections no i don't think so because he used to be a member about a very short while and that was a while ago until i think. till two thousand and four and he was not an active member he was just just a part of their environs. and i don't think it will have impact but what is

interesting this party actually which is a rightly you said rightly its second strong party in the parliament this party used to and for size the need to limit migration. in a very civilized way so it's not an extremist or a radical party but still and now of course they are in a little bit under attack because of this connection because of the general atmosphere. fired the gains in the forbin so but what i what i guess and what they're suspect that after initial period of statements as for example not of huge and prime minister de that we will keep our open society will keep our democracy and this right he should say just that he has to say it now than i think in europe at large in norway in particular we will see gradual change your

migration policy well let's hear this reaction of norway's prime minister's name is yes south america to the attacks. we will have in a way before and in a way after the bomb attack in the killing but we will still be s.a.e. it's very clear on our values of democracy of openness in this is a where we will can people to be active in their political work in a way where they can feel safe. while in this norway after the attack do you think that the famous norwegian social democracy would survive what will it stay intact as we knew in before a yes no vision of social democracy will survive the question is migration policy because the tradition of the social democratic party is in europe and especially in northern europe used to be extremely international is the glue mine that first science of. ange was shown that was seen in finland where there

is strangely enough finland as a country or at least affected by the migration away because it's difficult to leave maybe because russians russians and nationalists yes certainly by this a different. notion. there are quite a point if you of. migrants like seldom part of europe or but even there there is a clear growth of. protest feeling against something for him and social infant in finland social democratic party strangely enough try to take this argument from. from those nationalist parties which emerge and i think that in both in sweden and norway we can expect that all parties including the left wing parties gradually will review not not abruptly by the gradual review

of their stance with the migration in there there another thing i want to ask you i don't know if you know and i don't think anybody has the answer but still this break and that eighty claims to be a member of the international underground organization called knights templar international how serious do you think this claims are and how serious do you think is the threat that similar attacks may happen somewhere else this particular statement by him i don't think is serious he he he seems to be more important than you know yeah yeah as for. xenon you know for big sentiments in the rest of europe i think security services policemen and politicians everywhere are quite concerned now because actually there have been.

nori again as we discussed before it's a very badly ironic that just just in norway but if you take countries like france or not it allows for spain with a rapidly growing amount of migrants and there is a different culture in the way it's easier there saw the temperament is different but i'm afraid. there are grounds to two external reasons to expect some not similar. events but but something to grow up as. maybe for example in france election next year already now it's quite quiet or was that two or out of the three main contenders are sarkozy president sarkozy and marian lappin in different ways of course but they are trying to use that to you to address this issue from electoral point of view and i will not be surprised if that

that topic will be a central part of possession up in france what about russia mr redlich he said that he sympathizes the party called national in russia i think he said that in one of his interviews and he also claims and this was in the press it's in his manifesto there's a published he says that there are like minded persons in russia this is what he says do you do you think that. there really is a threat that something like this may happen in russia and that there that the that the anti migrant sentiments are as strong in russia as they are in the way they can lead to something so i hope he's wrong about national movement because that would be very strange because it's very close to the government but as for all these people who he shot they were close to the government too yeah exactly. yeah that's

this this island was very low and our seal again. but i'm afraid they're not in the national movement in the underground there are groups which are quite close to mr briggs views and also again as we mentioned before there is a similar problem in this country as in the rest of europe that people people are afraid of change people are afraid of globalization actually because because free movement then migration this is an element of globalized environment and those who cannot understand what what will follow what happens next they they can also turn to violence hopefully not in that scale but we knew you know that. many incidents happens in russia as well.

what is the problem in particular problem in moscow and big cities in russia is that it's not about migrants or key migrants people from sandra leisure from our transco. southern carcass that's one one problem but we have a big community of russian citizens leaving for example in moscow or some bit as we're coming from russia in the region of northern caucasus and unfortunately a big part relatively big part of population. doesn't see them as compared to its that's the problem and what we had the december last year of this man years an implosion of a nationalistic slogans that was not against foreigners basically it was against the are the russians no longer we discussed that on the show and then people people come to thinking that this was inspired by some by some people behind the scenes

that this wasn't like a genuine but like a normal no way it was that it was a genuine reaction of this guy but in russia what happened in my mind was it was inspired like my palate maybe maybe it was inspired by if you can fix inspired if it's nor nor potential so unfortunately potential is there and they're exactly that's the problem that if potential is there always who can expect some political suited to use it as today say that politicians you mentioned them said of course he cameron miracle there their attacks and multiculturalism their concern actually triggers new intelligence among the population do you think the part the part of the ruling politicians should continue criticizing rethinking multiculturalism or not. criticize the rethinking of different two different options. by criticizing that you start rethinking i think. it's enough with criticism

because what. what is needed now is just through thinking and coming and coming up with new ideas how to new models how not to look closing the country's no i don't said it is. too late. you know it's important to mobilize for globalized economy and then looking at demographic trends in russia in the whole europe we will not survive with new waves of migration so that's and for russia for example that's that that's the biggest problem for years to come a decade to come because in europe we are we are behind europe in terms of migration but unfortunately we will need to follow the same pattern hopefully. russian leadership will learn very bad lessons from from europe which which produces now this this situation bob barr unfortunately will need to address

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