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for food fast food. now the time since the tragic norway bombing and shooting details have begun to emerge about why anders breivik may have done what he did and his manifesto bravely quoted anti muslim blogger pamela geller several times getting many people to put two and two together and think that maybe this right wing christian terrorist was strongly influenced by her writing and nobody wants that kind of connection on

their track record so an attempt to save face and responded to all of the news outlets who have made the connection between her material and that of the norway bomber but the response isn't exactly what you'd expect the inner most recent post on her blog atlas shrugged geller talked about the summer camp of brave and open fire don and she called the labor party's summer youth camp and indoctrination a training center she explained it promoted anti israel ideologies and then go wrote the camp was run by the youth movement of the labor party and used to indoctrinate teens and young adults she went on to say great it was targeting the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding norway with muslims who refuse to assimilate who commit major violence against norwegian natives including a violent gang rapes with impunity and who live on the dole all done without the consent of norwegians now is think progress then pointed out geller also posted pictures of the kids camp just a short while before the shooting underneath the image she wrote the faces which

are more middle eastern or mixed than pure norwegian so really is this geller's way of defending the actions of very big here to give a reason for the slaughter of innocent people and sadly against anything of this world the evidence really does seem to point to yes and we should know that killers original capture caption under the picture of the kids has since been taken down and replaced with a few sentences where she now expresses sorrow about what happened but it's only after media outlets shared pieces of that original post granted gellar has a blatant right wing anti muslim bias but it is still absolutely beyond disgusting that she kind of actually defends free of its actions here and as long as glenn greenwald pointed out. if this were at a time by a muslim group and a muslim out something like this on his or her web site you know the f.b.i. and multiple other groups would be swarming and frankly he's right and you know what i hate to even say this but i'm not surprised as something so biased and so hateful came out of this woman after all she spent that exact same attitude when she was interviewed here on this show check out this clip our own lauren lyster

questioned her about aline an old atlas shrugged post or geller said that hitler was inspired by islam well hitler was inspired by islam hitler himself said the armenian genocide which was the slaughter of under two million christians by the are the means by by the muslim empire was his template for the holocaust. yeah so as if that wasn't bad enough now she's actually defending the actions of a man who murdered almost one hundred innocent people it's truly hard for me to wrap my head around that kind of hate and while geller does so first a member right to express her disgusting point of view in her own way we also have a right to fight back against her ignorant rantings and make sure that everyone is aware of what that woman stands for. now as i mentioned earlier in the show part of this debt deal if it goes through was going to lead to the creation of a super committee and then the bipartisan committee will have to decide on one point two trillion dollars in cuts but if they can't agree then that's going to

unleash a trigger that cuts a one point two trillion dollars happen domestic spending and half in defense so just thought of this is already unleashed a wave hysteria from neo cons and cheerleaders like the heritage foundation and of course senator lindsey graham. i don't know why they're going to pick a number of a few in there and start reducing the defense department we're slowing the growth of the but we're still got massive instead of running toward bankruptcy we're walking toward bankruptcy. but you know just throwing numbers around is ok when it comes to entitlements social programs but not for defense isn't it but in all reality this is kind of a big deal that suddenly defense is being threatened and it may be a serious way to do we see this is a real threat or is it just a line intended to keep the military industrial complex going on forever and this guy says if we have lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow at the center for advanced defense studies and he's also still serving as a reserve lieutenant colonel tony thanks so much for being here today rather than

ok so a lot of this is speculation of course they haven't voted on it yet hopefully we won't do you call this is going to go through and you know you know as well as anyone else that i fundamentally believe that we need to cut defense spending but defense spending does not equal half of our budget exactly so it's kind of a big deal that if this trigger would be unleashed defense spending and domestic spending would be treated as it's. back to the same thing do you think that's fair why i think it's not practical i don't think it's ever going to happen i think it's a gimmick and let's be totally honest with each other here they're trying to accomplish this by the twenty third of november and the whole idea is that they will make hard decisions between now and then it's not going to happen and one of the things that's notable is that when you look at the defense budget matter how you feel about it there's a huge process q.t.r. the quarter in a review process the g j rock process which looks at threats versus resources and something called the g eight with

a process now i've been all of these back when i was inside as a planner these are complex processes which take years to accomplish and no politician is going to do something to make a decision that would cut the budget and so any substantial way even if it's a backstop even if it's arbitrary because no one either side wants to be held accountable for making a bad decision if something goes wrong that's the bottom line so to me this is all just smoke and mirrors and no one is going to make it hard decisions so what i think on the face of it you and i would agree there's tons of programs redundancy and effective programs that i know of several myself which are totally waste just just people briefing each other and being paid a lot of money to do it i mean literally that program exists in our government i know about it directly i think all i did last i get to it is i'll get a lot of calls probably thought about his we'll talk about are you going to try to level twenty five and what the bottom line is no one is really going to take and look at those hard decisions there are programs that could be cut you can't do it

in the time period we're talking about ok it's a venue for talking about the fact that this is a gimmick because let's admit that there are republicans going to hide this oppose it that you know that michael won. so that means that they essentially know that this trigger would never happen but they're just going to bring it down to the wire and they're going to have to make a decision and that's kind of nice isn't it because that's the only way that our politicians function is when they have a deadline. that there is another loophole here which no guns talking about a great detail is the concept of emergency spending. the league would use a similar thing around this issue they would say was to begin to burden c yeah we agreed to this and august but we can't do it now so i think no matter how they put it into writing no you know it's not going to be viable three four five months from now frankly even if they do look at good hard cuts down the road there's no balance there's no guarantees are going to actually be altered two to three years from now so as far as i can tell it's more than i've read everything i've seen this is just a smokescreen to get us over this local business one issue the date of tomorrow

being the potential fall time and everything else i believe this negotiate will and there's no hard stop here it's just it's just no go off interestingly much in emergency spending because even our war on terror now you can say is ten years old almost i'm sure the power would still be considered an emergency at some point or for some point but like i say you you're saying this is all smoke and mirrors the like i mentioned we already are seeing hysteria from people like senator lindsey graham the heritage foundation is already coming out making statements that say the democrats want to favor economic security over national security and how dare they when his people ever get into the two are intertwined and i think that's the issue here it's all good drama i think much of what we've seen of those sides and on fundamentally conservatives and conserve them i believe it's has been great theater i mean you know we're talking about people who do have a vested interest in both sides neither side is going to go down hard against the fence and just are going to do a better of against economic issues therefore all they're doing here is once again

kicking the can down the road they're offering up something that they know no one will have the courage to cut when the time comes in november if you had to think of some kind of number that let's say if you look at real wasteful programs how much do you think would be cut from defense and let's just say you know hypothetically if this trigger was to set in and that would make what about six hundred billion dollars and come to france then could that. oh would we still survive as a country if we had six hundred billion dollars let me just use again distance is one of these we've talked about quite a bit i believe if we cut afghanistan by by a by half we would be five times more efficient and ten times more effective because you would reduce layer. commanding general i once worked for an army was asked a question by the media once how many people working on the intelligence he said oh about half and that was a true statement i look i mean it's a joke but it's not so the sad fact is this we have tons of folks over layers upon layers of bureaucracy and none of it adds to affect this so if we judge things by

effectiveness i think we could safely go through and cut a lot but the question becomes does someone have the political will to do that and that's what i don't believe anyone has to this point now where the things that we talk about some of the wars of are fighting abroad in two ways people like newly sworn in secretary defense leon panetta have considered affective is these air campaigns we have these errors and drone strikes because let's face it they're more efficient they probably cost us less money and you don't have to send so many people on to the ground but i thought it was really interesting that the former director of national intelligence dennis blair actually made a statement about this last week or we have a clip of it we can we can say or show you why he was against it we had to change things like this so the mother of this jordanian doctor who you know blew himself up in there and killed four people in khost. who says you know son did good that's great that's what that's what a good police should do but it's not we're not going to change the terms drone

strikes you're going to change that by working with people who believe differently to what you do you agree with within this letter i do now first off i question why i'm saying all this now i mean you know just a little note you have to appear here he had to resign to me do you think that kind of thing is going to hours i may have to step down so i'm going to you guys i'm actually retired to elevate the e-mail. my retirement orders even given so it's all there with me right now that said i always question people i've i started talking about religion before i got out i wonder about what he could have done more to say this now do you do it with a drone program has three props first off it it gives the appearance of progress i think that's one of the reasons they have they're so enamored with it right now secondly it's very expensive and again you get back from it is not worth the expense plus you lose intelligence by killing people and of capturing a third and most importantly you create a next generation of people who hate you because more often than not we've had very

bad targeting and more than just the target died and you've now got the problem of the incursion into the country or space which the pakistanis for more or less are still or allies so these are bad three bad things that in my judgment i now currently have a blair's outweighs the benefit of the program oh three reasons that to me makes sense as to why we should cut some of our defense spending if these programs are so effective or excuse me so expensive and not effective and i don't know maybe cut down on waging war all over the world and i want to thank you so much for joining us thank you. i don't go anywhere we still have much more freedom tonight's shout across at ground zero is called have for and creating tension between christians and atheists think of the details and i told time segments and on tap in happy hour a website for men who want to be sugar daddies they're going to tell you what city both the top powerful hall abusers in the country. get also goes to see the story and the scene so foolishly you think you understand

it and then you glimpse something else here's you some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture. and yet all. five. ft. five.

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to decide for us night still time award and tonight we're giving it to a group of people who went absolutely insane over a fox news interview the network was covering the story of a legal battle over a large cross a big place of a ground zero memorial in new york and here's a little clip of how they started this interview. why in a why is this an issue you know that this cross was found in the rubble at the world trade center was that constructed as across it just sort of appeared that way and became a real source of inspiration for people who desperately need it at the time. now the group american atheist is suing to stop the cross from being placed at the nine eleven site the spokesman appeared on fox news and if this reasoning for the lawsuit people will down to the constitution and what it really boils down to and why we all have emotions in this issue including me who was up in that area and we in new york to you to p.b.s. for this the emotions can't trump war. are it's not simple enough the group is

making a valid point there is that whole constitutional issue of separation of church and state then again a lot of people feel inspired by the cross i don't know doesn't bother me to the point of getting really passionate and angry about apparently for a few other people that really did see after blair's got a communications director appeared on air he started getting death threats when he returned home after the interview his voicemail was full of hateful messages and he was quoted on the american atheist log saying that you can always tell when somebody from the group is on fox news because in inbox explodes with e-mail and over the fox news facebook page irate christians didn't like the interview either they left behind some really blistering comments and american atheists decided to grab a few screenshots of those comments oh we're going to be nice we're in a blur out the names in the faces of the people who left the messages and also do you know these messages have a lot of spelling errors so we're not correcting this one guy wrote i say kill them all and let them see for themselves that there is

a got to people like that comment that another woman posted here's my solution kill the group just kidding you figure it out i'm so sick of people that pick and choose when they want to truly be american they can go to hell oh wait they will thank you just feel the christian love coming from that lady now another young girl left behind two facebook posts she said stupid atheists i hope god kills them all followed by i love jesus and the cross and if you don't i hope somebody rapes you now another guy's post read i thin lee which i'm assuming he didn't think so i think we should hang at the leader of that group on the cross with nails through their hands and feet place a crown of thorns upon their head round a spear through their side all after being a whipped and beaten publicly just so they can endure what christ did so they can understand the sacrifice behind what that cross symbolizes gets nineteen people like that guys post and then one other. fox news your road any quarter lawyer who

takes this case should be hung if you look at some of the people who are atheist they're all miserable looking because they don't have any faith in anything you all should go live in another country you have taken enough of my rights away so there you have it this is a few of the vile and hateful messages left behind by christians but you know i christians are supposed to be friendly loving caring be able now praying that somebody is going to rape her killed you know what's that old saying hate the sin not the sinner so tonight we're going to give our tool time award to those christian viewers over fox news who left behind those hateful messages there is no better way to get people on your side knowing that religious americans to understand what your message is the tell me they should be beaten raped skeet speared and killed.

hard time for happy hour and joining me this evening is not it's not easy roll calls heard on the hill columnist and christine for south r.t. correspondent ladies thank you so much for joining me tonight is are you ok so we just spent the entire hour talking for hours about this debt deal because hopefully it looks like we're not going to have to default on our debt but then this deal actually solves the fact that the economy is still in horrible shape and it probably is only going to get worse and we have some really odd example sanai of what it means when people are down and out see there's this holding phenomenon of these websites where you can go and get a sugar daddy and here's an interview with one girl who actually went through this experience and then individual who lives in florida i guess we have like an allowance worked out that every day that i see him like we have fun we do stuff you know going to dinner or whatever and he gives me essentially a thousand hours a day. are the thing that really got me is that one of these websites claims that

they have eight hundred thousand people signed up and that includes that's not just the girls or the young women or the young men they're looking for sugar mamas or sugar daddies that everybody combined and yes there are sugar mahler's too it's not it's not just men but that's going to eat hundred thousand people. right it's hard to do i want to look at it as a i don't know to what extent of i don't know how much of a sign of a time this i think it's an honest internet relationship you know if there's no questions about why you're there why the other person fare so i guess about the good thing but i think that scandals like this have been going on since the dawn of time it was just a new way to you know it was making it easier for eight hundred thousand people to partake of an affine. i mean i'm not saying that they are prostitutes people that go towards. i'm definitely not saying i was what do i now but it is kind of the oldest profession is it not i mean this has been happening since forever it's very true one thing why i think it may be a sign of the times because for

a lot of these kids supposedly they're going on looking for help with their college tuition because as we all know education is so frickin expensive in this country that nobody can afford it anymore but you know for a lot of sugar daddy and sugar all that side out there everybody's interested in just saying. you know you loan the name of them. even better because you're straight ok there's a new report that came out that apparently d.c. adults abuse alcohol more than an adult than any other city in this country and at first i didn't believe that at all because he sees it really that hard to think of a town it's not like a party plays and then we all sat around and thought about it for a while today and then we remembered exactly why this place makes you want to drink till.

you know sometimes you drink from boredom too not just because it's a party town i don't know calls pretty i. don't know what you're talking about but i mean do you see the drinking tap you have to drink that's where people make their heels that's where you know reporters you know. get sources or at least information from sources i mean the debt ceiling can you imagine what's going to happen tomorrow or tonight if they pass or this week once this weeks over are they going to tell you allies are being involved that is for sure when i first moved here people always said you know d.c. is hollywood for ugly people so let's just think about how much they drink in d.c. i mean in hollywood they probably drink even much more here because they're only and they don't have any. i don't want a word out directly about what you're going to look like the next day necessarily your face is what you're going to wherever that is you know where i was you do bring up a good point about the fact that you know it's a drinking town because a networking town and that's why he's paying this is because every single person automatically says what do you do what do you do and so you always want to go out

and drink so that's you know it's we would like more business meetings take place at bars probably here than any other city but i don't think i work otherwise but the other thing is that i think it's interesting that only people with over twenty six like were the highest ranking talent or people over twenty six so you're like you've lost all hope and you're going to name the i will just drink my way to my middle age but like it i think it was new hampshire that has highest over twelve oh so. bad i mean i'm going to tell you i guess you don't want to be the highest over twelve abusing state all right let's move on to the next one this is any this is a horrible tragic story we've reported on this you hear about it all the time foxconn by the way is one of the biggest manufacturers of electronics around the world this is the run of the factories where maybe your i phone or your i pad or things like that get some balls and they've had a spate of suicides or people trying to end their lives because the working conditions there apparently are so brutal and horrible and so apparently they're

coming up with a new way of having to adjust to that they're just going to get rid of the people and bring in robots. and this could be their to strolled away from home most of them most of these first world and a growing number of these workers are killing themselves in trying to and folks doesn't know what. ok so they told i told the story and then they repeated the story but foxconn doesn't know why you're a big dogs god knows a lot of people are trying to kill themselves i think it was eighteen people just last year yeah we got fellow very high number for people working in the fame like job that's what this is we have to start putting it in perspective right so it's very nice thank you i like working in america because i know that i have to work in such miserable conditions that i would've wanted and my own life and it's true a lot of these people if they move in from the rural areas in china they have to live in these like horrible camp like conditions but then at the same time these

are u.s. companies that go abroad and are taking advantage of this now people want to kill themselves and now because there's not going to be people that want to be exploited around the world you will put up with it there's going to bring in robots i know just you can't win because they're going to make you scared about ourselves like when are they going to start bringing robots. we talked about this on the show about these computer generated pundits and t.v. shows that they're going to start creating they already have the pop star it was all computer generated in japan sometimes i feel like they are robots but their response is when they go on and they give like these rehearsed answers no matter what the question is they can be robots to our but it is really sad i mean the bottom line yes speaking of when they might need us anymore to do so the one thing they have robots but now there's also a new scandal brewing over human animal cloning there's one hundred fifty human animal hybrids that were grown and u.k. labs that were just discovered this is right after report told us that basically science and technology are moving so fast that we think this is what the world's going to look like. no light here.

i'm kind of excited to see that what do you say human animal cloning they do it for you know for purposes to try to cure diseases you don't think like there would be awesome. no but also you go i think if you know any scientists they always want to look into it so the fact that we would have this ability and hold back from doing it i wasn't surprised at all that it was going on but the extent to which it was going on and the things they were combining with a little strange job that's where people are starting to get a little freaked out as to how far this could go but you know i think we should blame disney too because you had a bunch of little kids rove watching movies with talking animals you're really going to just get our girls thank you so much you tonight for next show thanks for tuning in and make sure you can back tomorrow and granddads those can be back on the show and break down more details of the death plans in the meantime don't

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