just might go up and as of now no extension on those benefits so of course the good luck to you and not thank you so much and. well still to come tonight anti muslim blogger pamela geller seems to side it with the nora very shooter and bomber anders pray they can her latest post for his plane why in a moment and could there actually be defense cuts in the debt deal but explain why the neo cons are freaking out when we speak with lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer director. for the we've gone to. the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers.

the house of representatives has approved a bill to increase the u.s. debt limit paving the way for the senate to buzz on the plan to default but i did say even if the build process for congress months of political bickering has severely damaged america's reputation worldwide. also the u.s. and b you step out that push for more sanctions against syria after the latest crackdown on protesters reportedly leaves more than one hundred people dead but most who condemning violence from both sides. troops clashed with protesters in cairo security forces moving to break up a rally by a protest is demanding faster political china demonstrators have been camping out in tahrir square weeks calling for us with to reforms up to february seventh if. there's the headlines up next let's go back to the end of the shuttle washington

studios. now the time since the tragic norway bombing and shooting details have begun to emerge about why anders breivik may have done what he did and his manifesto brave a quoted anti muslim blogger pamela geller several times leading many people to put two and two together and think that maybe this right wing christian terrorist was strongly influenced by her writing and nobody wants that kind of connection on their track record so an attempt to save face pamela geller responded to all the news outlets who made the connection between her material and that of the norway bomber about response isn't exactly what you'd expect the inner most recent post on her blog atlas shrugged geller talked about the summer camp the brave opened fire and she called the labor party's summer youth camp and indoctrination training center she explained that it promoted anti israel ideologies and then go wrote the camp was run by the youth movement of the labor party and used to indoctrinate teens and young adults she went on to say brave it was targeting the future leaders

of the party responsible for flooding norway with muslims who refuse to assimilate who commit major violence against norwegian natives including a violent gang rapes with impunity and who live on the dole all done without the consent of norwegians now think progress them pointed out yeller also posted pictures of the kids camp just a short while before the shooting and underneath the image she wrote note the faces which are more middle eastern or mixed than pure norwegian so really is this geller's way of defending the actions of brave you're going to give a reason for the slaughter of innocent people now sadly against anything of this world the evidence really does seem to point to yes and we should know the geller's original capture caption under the picture of the kids has since been taken down and replaced with a few sentences where she now expresses sorrow about what happened but it's only after media outlets shared pieces of that original post granted gellar has a blatant right wing anti muslim bias but it is still absolutely beyond disgusting

that she kind of actually did. ben's brave its actions here and as long as glenn greenwald pointed out if this were an attack by a muslim group and a muslim out something like this on his or her web site you know the f.b.i. and multiple other groups would be swarming and frankly he's right and you know what i hate to even say this but i'm not surprised that something so biased and so hateful came out of this woman after all she spent that exact same attitude when she was interviewed here on this show check out this clip our own lauren lyster questioned her about a line an old atlas shrugged post where gillers said that hitler was inspired by islam. hitler was inspired by islam hitler himself said the armenian genocide which was the slaughter of under two million christians by the ottomans by by the muslim empire was his template for the holocaust. yeah so if that wasn't bad enough now she's actually defending the actions of a man who murdered almost one hundred innocent people it's truly hard me to wrap my

head around that kind of hate and while geller does have a first amendment right to express her disgusting point of view in her own way we also have a right to fight back against her ignorant rantings and make sure that everyone is aware of what that woman stands for. now as i mentioned earlier in the show part of this debt deal if it goes through was going to lead to the creation of a super committee and then the bipartisan committee will have to decide on one point two trillion dollars in cuts but if they can't agree then that's going to unleash a trigger that cuts a one point two trillion dollars happened about expanding and half in defense so just thought of this is already unleashed a wave hysteria for me oh cars and war two cheerleaders like the heritage foundation and of course senator lindsey graham. we're going to pick a number of the fin there and start reducing the defense department we're slowing the growth of the but we're still adding a massive amount of instead of running toward bankruptcy we're walking toward bankruptcy. funny how just throwing numbers around is ok when it comes to

entitlement and social programs but not for defense isn't it but in all reality this is kind of a big deal that suddenly defense is being threatened and i may be serious way so do we see this is a real threat or is it just one intended to keep the military industrial complex going on forever or this gus's if we have lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow at the center for advanced defense studies and he's also still serving as a reserve lieutenant colonel tony thanks so much for being here today rather than ok so a lot of this is speculation of course they haven't voted on it yet hopefully we won't do you fall this is going to go through and you know you know as well as anyone else that i fundamentally believe that we need to cut defense spending but defense spending does not equal half of our budget exactly so it's kind of a big deal that if this trigger would be unleashed defense spending and domestic spending would be treated as it's. actually the same thing do you think that's fair why i think it's not practical i don't think it's ever going to happen i think it's a gimmick let's be totally honest with each other here they're trying to accomplish

this by the twenty third of november and the whole idea is that they'll make hard decisions between now and then it's not going to happen one of the things that's notable is that when you look at the defense budget matter how you feel about it there's a huge process the q.t.r. the cauldron a review process the j rock process which looks at threats versus resources and something called the g. wick a process now i've involve myself in all these back when i was inside as a planner these are complex processes which take years to accomplish no politician is going to do something to make a decision that would cut the budget in so any substantial way even if it's a backstop even if it's arbitrary because no one either side wants to be held accountable for making a bad decision if something goes wrong that's the bottom line so to me this is all just smoke and mirrors no one is going to make good hard decisions so while i think on the face of it you and i would agree there's tons of programs for redundancy and

effective programs heck i know of several myself which are totally waste just just people briefing each other and being paid a lot of money to do it i mean literally that program exists in our government i know about it directly i think ali was going to it is i'll get a lot of calls probably but the bottom of his talk about are you going to try to level twenty five and what the bottom line is no one is really going to take and look at those hard decisions there are programs that can be cut you can't do it in the time period we're talking about ok so then if we're talking about the fact that this is a gimmick because let's admit that there are republicans that are behind this suppose a debt deal that mike i won. so that means that they essentially know that this trigger would never happen but they're going to bring it down to the wire and they're going to have to make a decision that's kind of nice isn't it because that's the only way that our politicians function is when they have a deadline. yet there is another loophole here which no one's talking about in a great detail is this concept of emergency spending. they would use a similar thing around this issue they would say was to begin to burden c yeah we

agreed to this and august but we can't do it now so i think the matter how they put it into writing now you know it's not going to be viable three four five months from now frankly even if they do look at good hard cuts down the road there's no one there's no guarantees are going to actually be honored two to three years from now so as far as i can tell from everything i've read everything i've seen this is just a smokescreen to get us over this local this is one issue the date of tomorrow big the potential fall time everything else i believe this to go shabelle and there's no hard stop here it's just it's just smoke and it was interesting you mention emergency spending because even though our war on terror now you could say is ten years old almost i'm sure that that would still be considered an emergency at some point or for some point but like i said you're saying this is all smoke and mirrors go like i mentioned we already are seeing hysteria from people like senator lindsey graham the heritage foundation is already coming out making statements that say the democrats want to favor economic security over national security and how dare they

but when these people ever get of the two are intertwined and i think that's the issue here it's all good drama i think much of what we've seen on both sides and on fundamentally conservatives and it can serve in my beliefs has been great theater i mean you know we're talking about people who do have a vested interest in both sides neither side is going to go that hard against the fence to get started going to get back hard against economic issues therefore all they're doing here is once again kicking the can down the road they're offering up something that they know no one will have the courage to cut one time comes in november if you had to think of some kind of number that let's say you look at real wasteful programs how much do you think could be cut from defense and let's just say you know hypothetically if this trigger was to set in and that would make what about six hundred billion dollars in defense then could that. oh would we still survive as a country actually had six hundred billion dollars let me just use afghanistan as one of these we've talked about quite a bit i believe if we cut afghanistan by by

a by half we would be five times more efficient and ten times more effective because you would reduce layer. commanding general i once worked for an army was asked a question by the media one time how many people work in army intelligence he said oh about half and that was a true statement i look i mean that's a joke but it's not so though that the sad fact is this we have tons of folks over layers upon layers of bureaucracy and none of it adds to effect of this so if we judge things by effectiveness i think we could safely go through and cut a lot the question becomes does someone have the political will to do that and that's what i don't believe anyone has to this point now one of the things we talk about some of the wars that we're fighting abroad in to which people like newly sworn in secretary defense leon panetta have considered affective is these air campaigns we have these errors and drone strikes because let's face it they're more efficient they probably cost us less money and you don't just send so many people onto the ground but i thought it was really interesting that the former director of national intelligence dennis blair actually made

a statement about this last week or we have a clip of it we can we can say or show you why he was against it we put the change things like this. the mother of this jordanian doctor who you know blew himself up and killed it of our people and coast. who says. son did good that's great that's what that's what a good believer should do but that is not we're not going to change out the jones drone strikes you're only going to change that by working with people who believe differently to what do you agree with with tennis by their i do now is by first off i question why is he saying all this now i mean you know now just a little note you have to do what he had to he had to resign to mean do you think that kind of thing is going to get out of line we had to step down so i'm going to tell you guys i'm actually retired the e-mail. my retirement orders even given to me so let's hope they are with me right now with that said i always question people i've i started talking about real issues before i got out i wonder about what he

could have done more to say this now the drone program has three problems first off it it gives the appearance of progress i think it's one of the reasons they're so enamored with it right now secondly it's very expensive and the gain you get back from it is not worth the expense plus you lose intelligence by killing people and capturing a third and most importantly you create a next generation of people who hate you because more often than not we've had very bad targeting and more than just the target died and you've now got the problem of the incursion into from the country or space which the pakistanis for more or less are still or allies so these are bad three bad things that in my judgment i now pertly at blair's outweighs the benefit of the program no three reasons that to me makes sense as to why we should cut some cut cut some of our defense spending if these programs are so effective or excuse me so expensive and not effective and i don't know maybe cut down on waging war all over the world to tony want to thank you so much for joining us thank you. don't go anywhere we still have much more

freedom tonight's shout across at ground zero is causing an uproar and creating tension between christians and atheists think of the details in tonight's tool time segments and on tap in happy hour a web site for men who want to be sugar daddies family to tell you what city boasts the top alcohol abusers in the country.

the people of the united states and their friends and allies will not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder is a regime as an active program to acquire and develop nuclear weapons and let there be no doubt about we know for a fact that there are limits there. this we're just being carried out into the direction of dr david kay respected scientist and former u.n. inspector was leading the weapons search in iraq we are determined to take this apart we have a tremendous a group of dedicated american men and women involved in this with the best assets of the intelligence community and for by. david cheney is not going to be done with

this for quite some time david kay wants more time and he says it could take another six to nine months to make a definitive finding ministration is asking congress for hundreds of millions more six hundred million dollars to fund a continuing search we have not yet found shiny pointy things that i would call a weapon before we can draw from conclusions we need to let the iraqi survey group complete its work. we were all wrong probably in my judgment. and that is most disturbing. sometimes the true patriot takes the unpopular course but helps the country of wooden stakes and even if they come this way with these photos patriotism is the last refuge of scoundrels and i think these are scoundrels they have no argument now they have no defense for what they did the country is in a terrible international security situation but i think it's perilous so they're

attacking the patriotism of others. close up was in the cool down region where men flock from all over the world to have a few centimeters to their self-confidence. this time r.t. goes to the amore reach. for the gold rush still gets people like joe good. morning to try like to save its culture. where cranes are protected in the first official nature reserve. to the region. but should close up on r t. i it is time for tonight's total time award and tonight we're giving it to a group of people who went absolutely insane over

a fox news interview the network was covering the story of a legal battle over a large cross that's being placed on the ground zero memorial in new york and here's a little clip of how they started this interview. why in a why is this an issue you know that this cross was found in the rubble at the world trade center was that constructed as across it just sort of appeared that way and became a real source of inspiration for people who desperately need it at the time. now the group american atheist is suing to stop the cross from being placed at the nine eleven site the spokesman appeared on fox news and gave this reasoning for the lawsuit it boils down to the constitution is what it really boils down to and why we all have deep seated emotions on this issue including me who was up in that area and was in new york city the day before this the emotions can trump wall. are it's that simple enough the group is making a valid point there is that whole constitutional issue of separation of church and

state then again a lot of people feel inspired by the cross i don't know doesn't bother me to the point of getting really passionate and angry about it apparently for a few other people it really did see after blair scott the communications director appeared on air he started getting death threats when he returned home after the interview his voicemail was full of hateful messages and he was quoted on the american atheist blog saying that you can always tell when somebody from the group is on fox news because in inbox explodes with hate e-mail and over the fox news facebook page irate questions didn't like the interview either they left behind some really blistering comments and american atheists decided to grab a few screenshots of those comments so we're going to be nice we're in a blur out the names and the faces of the people who left the messages and also do you know these messages had a lot of spelling errors so we're not correcting those now one guy wrote i say kill them all and let them see for themselves that there is a god to people like that comment that another woman posted here's my solution kill the group just kidding you figure it out i'm so sick of people that pick and choose

when they want to truly be american they can go to hell oh wait they will they can just feel the christian love coming from that lady now another young girl left behind two facebook posts she said stupid atheists i hope god kills them all followed by i love jesus and the cross and if you don't i hope somebody rapes you now another guy's post read i thinly which i'm assuming he meant think so i think we should hang up the leader of that group on the cross with nails through their hands and feet place a crown of thorns upon their head ram a spear through their side all after being a whipped and beaten publicly just so they can endure what christ did so they can understand the sacrifice behind what that cross symbolizes yaks nineteen people like that guys post and then what other fox. your wrote any quarter lawyer who takes this case should be hung if you look at some of the people who are atheist they are all miserable looking because they don't have any faith in anything you

all should go live in another country you have taken enough of my rights away so there you have it does a few of the vile and hateful messages left behind by christians but you know i think christians are supposed to be friendly loving caring people not praying that somebody is going to be raped or killed you know what's that old saying hate the sin not the sinner so tonight we're going to give our tool time award to those christian viewers over at fox news who left behind those hateful messages there is no better way to get people on your side get non religious americans to understand what your message is the tell them they should be beaten raped speared and killed. it's time for happy hour and joining me this evening as net is nonie roll calls her on the hill columnist and christine for south r.t.

correspondent ladies thank you so much for joining me tonight i think you ok so we just spent the entire hour talking of course about this debt deal because hopefully it looks like we're not going to have to default on our debt but none of this deal actually solves the fact that the economy is still in horrible shape and it probably is only going to get worse and we have some really odd examples and i avoid it means that when people are down and out see there's this holding phenomenon of these websites where you can go and get a sugar daddy and here's an interview with one girl who actually went through this experience and then individual who lives in florida i guess we have like an allowance worked out that every day that i see him like we go out we have fun we do stuff you know i'll go to dinner or whatever and he gives me essentially a thousand dollars a day. are the thing that really got me is that one of these websites claims that they have eight hundred thousand people signed up and that includes it's not just

the girls or the young women or the young men that are looking for sugar mama's or sugar daddies that everybody combined and yes there are sugar mahler's to it it's not it's not just men but that's crazy eight hundred thousand people. right it's hard to do i want to just going to say i don't know to what extent of i don't know how much of a sign of a time that i think it's an honest internet relationship you know if there's no questions about why you're there why the other person is there so i guess that's a good thing but i think that scandals like this have been going on since the dawn of time right this is just a new way to you know it is making it easier for eight hundred thousand people to partake of evan find each other i mean i'm not saying that they are prostitutes the people that go. i'm definitely not saying that is what i now but it is kind of the oldest profession is it not i mean this has been happening since forever it's very true one thing why i think it may be a side of the times because for a lot of these kids supposedly they're going on looking for help with their college tuition because as we all know education is so freakin expensive in this country

that nobody can afford it anymore but you know for a lot of sugar daddy and sugar all websites out there if anybody's interested just saying. do you loan. without restraint even better good news for you ok there's a new report that came out that apparently d.c. adult abuse alcohol more than an adult than any other city in this country and at first i didn't believe that at all because i mean do you see isn't really that crazy of a town it's not like a party plays and then we all sat around and thought about it for a while today and then we remembered exactly why this place makes you want to drink to kill. you know what i'm times you drink from boredom too not just because it's a party town i don't know calls pretty. i have no idea what you're talking about

but i mean do you see the drinking tap you have to drink that's where people make their deals that's where you know reporters you know. get sources or at least information from sources i mean the debt ceiling can you imagine what's going to happen tomorrow or tonight if they pass or this week once this weeks over are they going to be allowed to do anything involved for when i first moved here people always said you know d.c. is hollywood for ugly people so let's just think about how much they drink in d.c. i mean in hollywood they probably drink even much more here because they're ugly and they don't have anything but i don't know you don't have to worry about her directly about what you're going to look like the next day necessarily your face is puffy what you're going to wherever that is you know where i was you do bring up a good point about the fact that you know it's a drinking town because the networking town and that's why disease famous is because every single person automatically says what do you do what do you do and so you always want to go out and you drink so that's you know it's we would like more business meetings take place at bars probably here than any other city i could work otherwise but the other thing that i think is interesting is only people with over

twenty six like where the highest drinking again town for people over twenty six so you're like you've lost all hope and you're going to i will just drink my way to my middle age but like i think it was new hampshire that has highest over twelve so. yeah ok i mean i guess you don't want to be the highest over twelve abusing state let's move on to the next one and this is i mean this is a horrible tragic story we've reported on this you hear about it all the time foxconn by the way is one of the biggest manufacturers of electronics around the world this is they run the factories where maybe your i phone or your i pad or things like that get assembled and they've had a spate of suicide for people trying to end their lives because the working conditions there apparently are so brutal and horrible and so apparently they're coming up with a new way of having to adjust to that they're just going to get rid of the people and bring in robots. and this could be their first job away from home but most of

them most of them these first job and a growing number of these work is killing themselves in trying to and folks call it doesn't know. ok so they told i told the story and then they repeated the story but foxconn doesn't know why you would think foxconn knows live people are trying to kill themselves i think it was eighteen people just last year yeah we got very high number for people working in the same job. well this is what you have to start putting it in perspective right so it's very nice thank you i like working in america because i know that i have to work in such miserable conditions that i wouldn't want to end my own life and it's true a lot of these people they move in from the rural areas in china they have to live in these like horrible camp like conditions that but then at the same time these are u.s. companies that go abroad and are taking advantage of this now people want to kill themselves and now because there's not going to be enough people that want to be exploited around the world anymore will put up with it there's going to bring in

robots i know do you have when doesn't it make you scared about our jobs like when are they going to start bringing robots. we talked about this on the show about these computer generated pundits and t.v. that was that they're going to start creating they already have the pop star it was all computer generated in japan sometimes i feel like they are robots but there were sponsors when they go on and they give like these rehearsed answers no matter what the question is they can be a robot to it is really sad i mean the bottom line peaking of when they might not need us anymore to use the joint one thing they have robots but now there's also a new scandal brewing over human animal cloning there's one hundred fifty human animal hybrids that were grown and u.k. labs that were just discovered this is right after report told us the basically science and technology are moving so fast that we think this is what the world's going to look like. no white yeah true.

i'm kind of excited to see that what do you say human animal cloning they do it for you know for purposes to try to. cure diseases you know think alike or would be also. center no but also i think if you know any scientists they always want to look into it so the fact that we would have this ability and hold back from doing it i wasn't surprised at all that it was going on but the extent to which it was going on in the things they were combining with a little strange job that's where people are starting to get a little freaked out as to how far this could go but you know i think we should blame disney too because you had a bunch of little kids watching movies with talking animals you're going to have just getting old thank you so much for joining me tonight for tonight's show thanks for tuning in and make sure you come back tomorrow and those can be back on the show to break down more details of the death plans and the time don't forget to become a fan of the lower show on facebook and follow us on twitter and if you missed any of tonight's show or any other night.