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bombers weapons or he for the trial of people weapons including anthrax and botulism toxin a logical and chemical agent to kill millions of people chemical weapons including v.x. and sara mustard gas and massive and sudden our massive death and destruction death on a massive scale the danger to our country is grave the danger to our country is growing iraqi regime possesses biological and chemical weapons. iraqi regime is building the facilities necessary to make more biological and chemical weapons. and according to the british government the iraqi regime could launch a biological or chemical attack in as little as forty five minutes after the order were given the regime has longstanding and continuing to terrorist organizations and there are al qaeda terrorists inside iran
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regime is seeking a nuclear bomb and with physical fizzle material could build one within a year. the bush administration made up its mind to go to war on september the eleventh two thousand and one that very first day on september twelfth one day after september eleventh. the meeting that was held in the white house in the situation room. led to rumsfeld asking the question should we use this as an opportunity to do something about iraq as well we all said no no it's in afghanistan we need to bomb afghanistan rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in afghanistan and there are lots of good targets in iraq from that time on you were dealing with rationalization a justification for the war you weren't dealing with the real causes for the war or
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real reasons for the war there was never a clear and present danger there was never an imminent threat with weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass destruction weapons of mass death and weapons of mass destruction was a convenient way of tricking our congress and giving the president authority to wage this war saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons development clear weapons nuclear weapons it was clear that iraq did not have a nuclear weapons program but over and over again president bush secretary of defense rumsfeld particularly vice president cheney but also national security advisor condi rice drummed up the idea of a reconstituted nuclear capability and picture particularly the notion that i think has some resonance among the american people of the mushroom cloud leaders will use worst case assessments. that point to nuclear weapons to generate political support because they know people fear nuclear weapons so much the evidence was simply not
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there. wolfowitz would be asked to explain you know how good is the evidence can you tell us more about it this in nato mind you and he'd say well it's like this it's like pornography. hard to describe but i'll see you recognize it when you see it. white guy and we're going to go to war and that if someone is waiting for a so-called smoking gun it's certain that we will have waited too long we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud and we cannot wait for the final proof. the smoking gun. that could come in the form of a mushroom but. a lot of people who supported the war in iraq actually believe that iraq had it billet he fired missiles that could reach the united states carrying payloads of nuclear or chemical or biological weapons. iraq has never had the capability to do that they didn't have it in the first gulf war they didn't have it
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in this. war in iraq and they don't have it any way of getting it in the future the bush administration did was try to round up as many people as they could and would make the case for what the white house wanted was the cia to give a talking points to justify to support our ready made up mind massive intervention by people particularly from vice president cheney's office and by far than cheney himself in the process and i think the intelligence analysts found themselves really up against it when they tried to argue that those connections were as tight as as people were suggest intelligence director of the department of energy simply ordered his experts who had raised questions about the evidence being used on the nuclear and of it as a kind of state to sit down and shut up so the we would be on board with the with the overall estimate not just. because it was. of
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collecting information on iraq and it's in the mid ninety's i know what we had what we didn't have and i'm here to tell you there was no information and very heavy leaning on the director of central intelligence and his staff to produce precisely the language which would allow them to make the statements which they have been making to support the decision to go into iraq well not only by their physical presence but by the questions they asked by the well don't you think sort of thankful couldn't it be possible that they call it data binding going back over old information coming questions and the overwhelming opinion from the scientists of this government at the department of energy and even at the cia and some of the state department were arguing against using weapons of mass destruction. there's a case to go to war the whole purpose of the cia was to leave those people out
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a way that's why they're not in washington or in northern virginia away from the white house away from congress leave them alone ask them what they think but don't tell them to rethink their positions because then you come up nonsense like we saw the administration have decided very early on that saddam should go and that in itself is not a bad. goal but of course everything depends on how you do it when and how way or with whom it's set or to lay indecision and inaction could leave to a massive and sudden heart it simply makes no sense to wait any longer to take action before it's too late we will not wait it was a rushed and it was done and i believe in three or four weeks which is really fast for that. and it wasn't done earlier from what i understand because the bush administration didn't want such a document that had carried out so that's why they never asked for a comprehensive national intelligence estimate within the intelligence community on this particular problem because they knew the intelligence community didn't agree
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on any of these issues and national intelligence estimate is really about i don't know five major players for ten intelligence agencies in total weighing in on the basic situation with weapons of mass destruction and so i think the bush administration resisted having an eye and then once it was out selectively picked what was useful to their argument. most of their qualifications were simply filtered out and the senate is ation of the original estimate was not true to its real meaning all the modifiers were were dropped or it was a prosecutor making a case using what benefited his case ignoring evidence that would undermine his case and there was no defense attorney to give us the other side and the end product used by policymakers particularly in its discussion with the american public will were much more forceful than quite a possibly been when originally written by cia or state department's intelligence
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and research it was a bizarre warping of the intelligence process and they thought they would be able to get away with it because who's going to see the classified version well later several months later they released parts of the classified variant they thought no one would notice so this was not a case where the national intelligence estimate was driving the war this was to provide an excuse after the fact going to war they started in says yet another example i think of intelligence simply not being able by nature by definition to live up to that kind of requirement you may produce intelligence that can keep you out of a war but i doubt we'll ever get one to three reports of intelligence that will in any way. allow you to go to war.
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there are al qaeda in iraq saddam hussein. cohorts with terrorist secretly and without fingerprints he could provide want to see the weapons to terrorists. our help them develop through well the war really had absolutely nothing to do with terrorism there was no connection whatsoever between iraq and the secular regime there and the religious fanatics who perpetrated the unleavened they wanted to believe that there was a connection but the cia was sitting there the f.b.i. was sitting there i was sitting there saying we've looked at this issue for years for years we've looked for a connection unless there's no connection saddam was in. or he was a terrible villain yes but he was not willing to sacrifice his own life. just as he answers terrorists as completely and used outside as had total contempt for saddam hussein himself he's been socialist he's been very harsh
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he's treated islamic leaders sly misleaders extremely harshly rock and we have comparing good intelligence on this was not part of the picture of terrorism before we invaded saddam hussein and bin laden were enemies and ladan considered and said that saddam hussein was a socialist infidel these were very different kinds of individuals competing for power in their own way and saddam hussein made very sure that al qaida couldn't function. in iraq that terrorists couldn't function except for the small northeastern quadrant of the country where there was an extremist group but he had no control over that it was near the iranian border ties with al qaeda it was just a scare tactic to exploit the trauma that very real trauma that the american people have felt ever since nine eleven and to associate better with iraq as you know from the polls most americans believe that iraq had something to do with nine eleven and
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it was a very successful very deliberate and very. unethical and immoral operation on the part of the p.r. people of this administration. we now know that saddam has resumed his efforts to acquire nuclear weapons. among other sources we've gotten this from first hand testimony from defectors accessed emigres and defectors with more direct access to these programs three iraqi defectors we know that iraq in the late one nine hundred ninety s. and several mobile biological weapons it was only after defectors told us about it the inspectors were in the country of the most important information that inspectors have ever gotten what's going on in iraq have come from defectors know about that capability from defectors and others the recent defector stated that as recently as august of ninety eight that's while inspections were still going on
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a formal order was issued to proceed with the nuclear program at full blast i was thought to do is to bring to the well let danger that's about pauses in his current state. he is developing weapons of mass destruction. without a doubt he has chemical and biological weapons and without a doubt for thirty years he has been trying to acquire a nuclear weapon the usual scrutiny of these kind of guys was just not done adequately if there was this air to toot of let's find the smoking gun let's find the evidence rather than let's let's look at what's out there and wave the evidence they want to believe him it goes back to contacts that richard it is only is the one nine hundred ninety s. with individuals like dick cheney like paul wolfowitz like richard perle dealing with iraq when shallop the became enamored of this fellow who dressed like a westerner talked with a british accent and appeared to be upper crust and therefore was quite believable
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and everyone in washington was believing them and i thought people had really somehow checked out of reality in order to go to war and it was a war fever and it had taken over these people wanted to get back into it and to baghdad they couldn't defeat saddam hussein but they knew that u.s. military power could so the worst of these offenders who would be ahmed chalabi who is been in exile for his own country for twenty to thirty years and is clearly not a hero under any definition of heroism to his own people sold the pentagon on the idea that saddam hussein did have weapons of mass destruction and he must be stopped but they were bringing forward individuals who they claimed right or high level military or scientists with access they were looking for money first of august child he was paying money senior members of the department of defense gave him their thumbs up his information was coming into the white house to people like dick cheney through the office of special plans so it was coming in through and
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through an avenue that's not traditional to the intelligence community and wasn't open to being vetted or reviewed and you had challah himself admit that he they didn't mind providing false information because it helped them to achieve their goal of removing saddam know the. iraq will defend that regime. including the military both the regular army and the republican guard liberation would not have been achieved without the defeat of a nation of president george w. bush and the commitment of the coalition at the forefront of which stand the people of the united states of america and great britain that iraq is will never forget your courage and sacrifice on our behalf we are here today to declare that they knew about this war and iraq let it be dignity justice and human rights for all citizens there is no risk of a breakup of iraq and there is no risk i would face civil war i got what i wanted i
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got my war back in iraq and if you people relied on my information stupid. every year. custom we meet here to consider the state of the union this year we gather in this chamber deeply aware of decisive days that lie ahead distorted beliefs estimates and guesstimates and he appears and he was misleading the public and the congress saddam hussein had the materials to produce as much as five hundred tons of syrian mustard and v.x. nerve agent sarin that they were making in one thousand nine hundred ninety one had a known shelf life of about two months i have confirmed this with inspectors
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and analysts who were deeply involved in the one nine hundred ninety s. analyses well if you made it twelve years ago and it had a shelf life two months. it may not be safe to drink but it isn't sarah nerve gas any longer and there's no way the agency would not know what u.s. intelligence indicates that saddam hussein had upwards of thirty thousand munitions capable of delivering chemical agents. spector's recently turned up sixteen of them despite iraq suisse and declaration. denying their existence and they tried to use the fact that inspectors found sixteen of these as evidence that thousands more existed and again i mean it's as a methodology it's a very weak way to predict anything and i think it borders on propaganda to argue
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that there are small number that have been found by inspectors imply that in this case of twenty nine thousand exist saddam hussein is not accounted for the remaining twenty nine thousand nine hundred eighty four of these prohibited munitions at this week bush administration officials are going to routinely sad or try to give the impression that for iraq had not fully accounted for all of a certain item and will related to or chemical or biological weapons then it must be either and it's not at all what the inspector said or found saddam hussein had material sufficient to produce more than thirty eight thousand liters bunch toxin. enough to subject millions of people to death by respiratory failure. again you can't for that matter but it's biological weapons program particularly its ability to make botulinum toxin and therefore it was an open issue but it can it doesn't
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mean that. what the inspectors found was evidence that iraq possessed that our intelligence sources tell us that he is attempting to purchase high strength aluminum tubes suitable for nuclear weapons production i think there was very little doubt that the centrifuge tubes so-called were nothing but rocket motor tubes to go into m eighty one style artillery rockets they certainly have all the specs for the nuclear experts for instance from the lawrence livermore laboratories z division the experts on center fusion regiment came out and said now you couldn't enrich uranium using these are these tubes they're not compatible well i saw it as a deliberate attempt to take information are errant selectively take information and try to basically say iraq poses an imminent nuclear threat and therefore action is absolutely necessary and i thought that was absolutely the international atomic
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energy agency confirmed in the one nine hundred ninety s. that saddam hussein had an advanced nuclear weapons development program the ministration showed photos of nuclear or former nuclear weapon sites in iraq create one nine hundred ninety one nuclear weapon sites claim that new construction showed they were ongoing nuclear weapons production sites complete nonsense the most troubling thing about the fact the distortions in the misleading statements that bush gave congress is that it is a federal felony it's a crime to mislead and distort information and present to the congress the british government has learned that saddam hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from africa just sixteen words in the state of the union address words that we now know were misleading and retired career diplomat joe wilson tried to warn the administration of the. just that julia year before the speech i received a call from from the cia in february two thousand and two i was invited out to talk
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to those people within the broader intelligence community who deal with three different subjects iraqi. uranium and we share i briefed him on what i knew about uranium business it was during the course of their briefing that they said that they had received a report that it piqued the interest of the office of the vice president and that report was of a purported memorandum of agreement to rice and sale of uranium yellowcake somewhat in restraining him from the share to to iraq and it was a document that was executed by the government needs here they asked me if i would be willing to go out and take another look at it and talk to people i knew there i left i left there telling them that if they wanted i would be able to free up my schedule they subsequently called me and said please do and spent the eight taysir drinking drinking tea and talking to everybody that was to talk to knew anything about the subject matter near me and i'd come back and persuaded that cannot happen
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one from a business perspective because that with a consortium structure just couldn't do it a lot of people knowing and to the way the government bureaucracy was fresher you cannot make the decision without a lot of people knowing and if you made the decision the decision would be reflected in a series of docu series signatures on the on the documents and if the documents are not contain a suit signatures you could. help me to documents the president quote it a british paper we did not know at the time no one knew at the time in articles maybe someone knew down in the agency but no one in our circles knew that there were doubts and suspicions that this might be a forgery of course it was information that was mistaken but the it was a relatively small. part of the case about nuclear weapons and nuclear reconstitution it is also the case that the broad picture about iraq's
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programs was a picture that went very far back in time based on thought analysis value has concluded with the with the concurrence of outside experts that these documents which form the basis for the report of anything unique union plan to action between iraq and yet and in fact not i think numerous french words were misspelled in the documents one of the letters was signed by a nigeria official with left office ten years ago several dates in the documents that not match the day of the week several of the names and titles of officials mentioned the documents were incorrect who was it that asked for this review of the niger nuclear material question it was the vice president mr wilson former ambassador was sent to niger in response to the vice president's questions about this issue so assume italy the vice president got a report back in response to his question and that report contained the wilson and
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then know of his assessment situation wilson says his family is the subject of a smear campaign by senior administration officials they deliberately leaked his wife's i did it he has a covert cia operative damaging her future career in compromising past missions i have to criticize the administration or need to press and in the new york times the white house hatchet came out and started writing started writing articles which they basically said that wilson the first one came out said that wilson told the truth because he's a democrat. let's set that up as an argument democrats tell the truth there you go republicans fill in the blank then there are no a couple of senior administration officials leaked to bob novak that my wife was a cia op. involved in the weapons of mass destruction is no sense of see this regime officials as a he. the president vice president cabinet
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officers. it's up to the white house on their way to get information i'm going to go back to old time magazine it was permission. that's against a statutory law that prohibits the. cia operative's what you're doing when you expose a cia officer of any name you basically taking their entire career and flush it down the toilet also as a potential person in jeopardy because of their operations and their operations and people that i've written. so to say very little act against. him i pretty use whites but we're if not. this is what i've never seen a dirty trick. get
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