for like sleep you think you understand it and then he glimpse something else and you hear or see some other part of it and realize that everything is ok if you don't. charge welcome to the big picture. and yet. i. feel for folks for.

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all right guys it's time for show and tell now last hour we explain how norway and the u.s. deal with crime and punishment but despite the differences we want to know which prison system that you thought was more effective the one in america or the one in norway so it's got a producer for treason to send you to find out what you have to say. welcome to the international travel wars for the best prison in the world now well last year italy won the four star fashion award for designer suits this year's winner is norway. rhea five stars by frequent guest for an all inclusive modern fitness facility recording studio practice bass and complimentary meals with a guest this freak coking glass is the only thing wrong by american standards is only twenty percent of the guests come back now the winner of this year's worst prison system as rated by guest is the same as last year's and the year before that

the united states. it's rated as one house of a burned out star overcrowding noise violence and gas complaining about the shared showers except for some reason sixty percent of all guests were turned for a future visit so go figure that's why we asked our viewers which person system you thought was more effective is it norway or the u.s. dream coyote said norway provides both a social safety net and incarceration that tries to rehabilitate and the u.s. prisons are considered successful if they keep everyone in have a boy agrees he said nothing is as just functional as a u.s. prison then they feed told us makes an overcrowding and not u.s. prisons are a classroom for learning crime. time and norway wins hands down kate on the other hand has no compassion for inmates we have dilatation he says is

a total crock the idea of prison is containment and punishment is not meant to be a holiday camp that may be true keith but i think doesn't mean that it works if there's one thing the u.s. is good at it's making prisoners the us actually leads the world in it if one segment of the global competition cannot even china can take away from us and the proof is more prisoners are returned to the us prisons a sense over and over again and it's not because of the highly recommended accommodations. our guys thanks for giving us your input and here's our next question for you the debt deal has been reached the president assigned as the default crisis was averted but let's face it if this really has to be a crisis what if no you think did congress actually fabricate this debt crisis you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and you know it's a response that just might make an audience. now we discuss police brutality incidents on the regular basis here on this show or this next story we're about to

share is absolutely horrendous on july sixth police responded to a call that a homeless man was vandalizing cars only intended to search thirty seven year old kelly thomas he resisted and that's when this incident got violent several fullerton cops began to kick and beat thomas who has schizophrenia and then proceed to hog tie him and then tase him six times ultimately putting the homeless man into a coma a new video has been released for bystanders were telling orange county bus driver about what they had witnessed.

that surveillance video was taken at right after thomas was taken to the hospital when he arrived he was already in a coma i never regained consciousness as family took him off of life support just a few days later and the outcry over this tragic case of police brutality is growing more and more people hear and see the way the cops treated the schizo frantic man and i say and i'll cry is in order take a look at thomas' face before and after he was brutally beaten that is so gruesome that it's truly impossible for me to understand how police people are paid like people like you and i to protect could do something like that your reports say the f.b.i. is investigating this incident but as of right now just one of the officers has been put on administrative leave and i've been fired just put on leave and get this

the fullerton police department says a public outcry over this incident has affected officers more out overly it's affected police more al i think it's a small price to pay for the way that kelly thomas died his own father is a retired orange county sheriff's deputy and he's described his son's death as a gang style cold blooded aggravated murder who are their right mind thinks that a one hundred thirty five pound man can survive being brutally beaten kicked ogg tied and then tase six times and for what because thomas resisted arrest all those officers couldn't have chosen no more civil approach something like simply holding him down placing handcuffs on him if they kill in the line of duty where no such moves were necessary and that makes them murderers thomas' mentally ill police officers should be trained to handle people that have problems like schizo. for any who may be erratic who may be unstable but these people are professionals they are paid for by the american taxpayer but instead these cops acted like butts probably

on a power trip on to make sure this homeless man learned a lesson and look what happened they killed him now they should be held responsible just like you were i would if we were to beat a man to death this is the one of the most disgusting cases of police brutality that we've reported on this show by far and if the f.b.i. and the out already don't find those cops criminally responsible for thomas' death i think it's safe to say there isn't much hope for law enforcement in our society. back to our interview that was interrupted earlier on somalia we've learned much about u.s. involvement in recent weeks but now thanks to robert young pelton of a small he reports and david x. that wired danger real waiting to read from a ship turns out that buried deep in u.n. reports there's evidence that half of all u.s. abide weapons to ugandan and burundian soldiers who belong to the african union's peacekeeping force that are supposed to be fighting al-shabaab turns out that have those weapons are ending up right in the hands of al shabaab and it's a familiar sounding story because it is it's happened numerous times before we have

to wonder why we can't learn from our own history what it says for the wars that we might be arming in the future joining me to discuss this is scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harvest magazine scott thanks for joining us tonight we finally got got you on the screen there now am i right or am i right this is a familiar story how many times could you say that it's happened before. constantly i mean what's what's the impact of the whole crisis in afghanistan actually both in the soviet air and then later with the american invasion and the american support of jobbies there the supply that permitted disclosure of weapons into that country did stabilize it think back also to the beginning of the conflict in libya just a few months ago where people especially the cons in washington were arguing that we should turn out for weapons but i think what you see here in this report is the problem. with that in

a situation as violent as challenges this is in somalia if you pump weapons into it it's very difficult to control where those weapons will go and in this case we see the ugandan the ruby soldiers especially the ugandans who are themselves of. simply selling the guns for money so the weapons in the hands of terrorists adversary. now. you know what do you know exactly to when it comes to how much finding how many weapons and might be giving to these ugandan and who are indian troops david x.-men in his report there between two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine there is about two hundred million dollars going into this but considering the now we've have this laser light focus on our shabaab in somalia do you think that those numbers probably have shot up oh no doubt about it and no doubt in somalia today we're fighting a proxy war so the united states is providing support intelligence

but also weapons to various proxies and that's included these ugandan. troops which also included ethiopians kenyans and various tribal groups within somalia including the so-called government of somalia which controls a couple of square miles of parents or mogadishu now really frustrating thing of course about this is that this information can be found and a un report but it's buried somewhere deep they never want this type of information to come out or to surface to be made public to the public who is taxpayer dollars are going to find it so do you think that we're ever going to learn our lesson or we're just going to keep fighting proxy wars arming people going to the end of the day we don't know where those weapons will end up. well i think that's a big issue and it's particularly an issue where we're fighting proxy wars everywhere and where we're using not professional uniform soldiers but using

contractors and i think we see in iraq right now the sunsetting of the american force may be coming to an end by the end of this year maybe not but we see the state department's plan to deploy a contractor army there we're going to see a drawdown of american forces in afghanistan but that we placed with contractors as well so i think we're going to see these the same problems repeated over and over again around the world and congressional oversight i don't think so we see a little evidence of that. once i think you're right is that we don't see many legal repercussions or at least we have seen sound when it comes to trying to go after blackwater although many of those efforts illegally have not been successful at thus far but you mentioned iraq admiral mullen actually said this week of course that he's waiting for iraq to give the u.s. an answer as to whether or not they want troops to stay there past the deadline and he also said that if they stay they want immunity for the troops is that something

that we that we have to do all the time is that why it's much easier to have proxies fight the war if you don't have to worry about legal woes when it comes to your own troops. it's going to be a difficult issue in iraq because of the experience with the iraq war here we've got to differentiate so it's conventional that there's a status of forces agreement that provides an unity that is that if it says that american soldiers will be dealt with under the american military justice system that's a system we haven't plays with germany italy spain japan for instance nothing unusual about that the really difficult area here is going to be when it comes to those contractors when it comes to the rock whether it's in the others because they have not been dealt with under the american military justice system they haven't been dealt with under the american criminal law either with only a handful of cases where the justice department under tremendous pressure has brought cases and then those it with respect to those individuals there's

a strong presence side of iraq for the iraqi criminal justice system to be applied and if they shoot up a village for them to be prosecuted for it that's going to be the friction point and i think we saw admiral mullen very cautiously putting up a question of a sadness of forces agreement but the bigger question in the end of the day is going to be about these contractors now if you had to take a guess and i mean time i guess although if we want contractors to say there that we can get around iraq saying out of the troops you think iraq is going to ask for about ten thousand troops to stay. my bet is yes the iraqis will set up of the limit is that he's trying to force this question i think quite properly because the american military needs to plan here the limit is that it's not a popular thing in iraq today to call for the americans to stay in fact our night raids have been extremely unpopular with the iraqis there's

a large majority of iraqis who would like to see the u.s. out but the political leadership of the country feels that they need american soldiers to tide them over certainly at least for another couple of years so i think in the end that they were going to see that core and it's col i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and. sustain iraq proxy war is there a lot going on in american state now about. great to be with you thanks. are coming out around the hold they'll say gave bill from tennessee to the back and it actually turned the politician tonight cold on a war and a happy hour tonight a t.v. station in chicago probably that afaik lesson plus a new game which is twitter account is a pool of fake followers or back into the world. you know sometimes you see a story and assume so you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else hears you some of the part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm sorry welcome to the big picture

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a warden tonight it goes to the governor of tennessee republican bill has fallen now he took office at the start of last year or of the year excuse me and he's had to deal with several crazy proposed laws in his state we discussed several of those laws right here on this show one that would make the practice of shari'a law a felony equal to treason another bill would allow teachers to challenge evolution without fear of reprisal but the story that are in the biggest headlines of course was the don't say gay bill. no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality the man now all the bill didn't pass this year nobody knows of lawmakers are just going to try again next year but this week a national newspaper asked governor hostler about the future of the don't see gave bill and apparently he's hoping the villages go away because of all the bad p.r. this state is take it but then he actually tried to blame the media for all of the

bad publicity he said quote don't say gay is really sexy and yada yada yada it's not going anywhere who runs the student achievement district is huge but you'd be lucky to find it two paragraphs on that now the governor has lawyers trying to deflect the attention from the real issue here he's playing the victim of the big bad media he's indicated they came up with the don't say gave bill just to sell newspapers and for ratings points sorry that's not the case you're just pissed because your state became a punchline for numerous jokes you're an openly gay actor george c. k. stern making money off of this proposed law any job you need to see the word game you can simply say could be for example you could safely proclaim you are a supporter of take a marriage if you're in a war that's to whom you can march and take a pride parade. even homophobic slurs don't seem to serve pool if someone says that it is. now instead of worrying about all the bad p.r.

in the late night jokes that given her but governor bill hostler should have told lawmakers they would have just vetoed the don't say gay bill if it reaches that but he wouldn't stand up to those in his own party and as we mentioned before on this show while you may not like gay people and who they sleep with you can just wish them away you also can't blame the media the idiots in your state actually think the world works like that and that's why we're giving republicans how to see governor bill haslam tonight's tools and award. our guys a soccer happy hour tonight and joining me this evening us are chief producer jenny churchill and libby jacobson senior policy analyst for new media strategies public affairs janet ladies thank you for joining me. ok we often see you know funny things that happen in news stations but it's really funny when you watch like an

anchorman or something it's not quite as funny when you realize that they just edited a video to go with their story and well it just really doesn't look good this one comes from chicago so here we're going to show you the clip of what actually aired and then we'll show you the real one. two teenagers are wounded on the city's south side it happened the seventy fourth is an eighteen year old man and sixteen year old girl were all standing on the sidewalk meals in good condition while the girls expected to recover and kids on the street as young as four were there to see it all unfold and a disturbing reaction. elron not scared enough that we do not use three families guns are no no no no do you want to do when you get older. ok from the way they aired a cute little black kid looks like he wants to grow up going to want to have me a gun that's not what he actually thought. he won't do any of the older.

brother's voice work during the which is a stun gun be deployed. you know a little different when she say i want to go over to hug me a gun because they think he wants to be a gangster but he actually wants to be a cop and help police the story but it's really sad because obviously this reporter had an idea when he went out there of how he wanted to cover the story and he molded the soundbites to fit that story when in reality that little kid saying i want to be a police officer in my opinion is just as good of a story to say oh he's in it's crime in gangs and he still wants to be you know on the good side what kind of reporter or i would or i suppose could take that adorable little kid and try to spin him as some kind of criminal i know i can but also i can't believe that you know i'm sure his mother was furious when she saw the story because they need her four year old look like a gang banger when he was talking about his dreams and asked us if given of course permission for him to be on camera you have to ask him so that i'm pretty sure that

wasn't what the mall was going for either which you know yes you can partake in the story now this is something that the reason did that everyone's talking about on t.v. because damon is defending teachers and a lot of people on either side of this debate take a look. there's an incentive to work hard and be a better actor because you want to have a job so why isn't it like that for a teacher it's not an incentive that's going so you take this m.b.a. you're right it's a problem with that policy right now is this intrinsically paternalistic you problems that are much more complex than that i mean why else would you take a salary and really long hours unless you really love to do. well the best part of course is when they go to good will hunting and they're just crying and hugging at the end there but you know this is a debate that's been going on all across the country it was should teachers have tenure shouldn't you have an incentive to want to work hard otherwise if you think

you can't get fired you're not going to get libby i'm curious to get your take on the whole situation i have a lot of teachers in the family have to be careful but what i say to make sure i still get invited home for the holidays but you know matt damon he's clearly an educated intelligent guy can string along multi-syllabic slavic words like you say it intrinsically paternalistic so but basically what he says he doesn't just say yeah exactly you know basically what he says is teachers really like their jobs but he didn't really address the question of great they like their jobs but is our education system actually filling the goals that we want to achieve and that was the problem that i had i mean i'm sorry matt damon but that was a terrible argument your argument is that they love their job that's not the same as being a good teacher and informing generations of americans just because you love something doesn't mean that you're good at lots of kids try out for sports they love and are terrible but they sure look at trophies in this country so here i go downstairs or you're a kid and we talk about this all the time although like i said some people think

that david. everyone super excited to talk about this issue because matt damon said something that's just make her celebrity ways now big. just sometimes you look at these stories and it just makes you want to shake your head and think of how unfortunately laws created to protect certain things are in play when they're actually used take a look eleven year old firing back from an area and skyler kate those going into action the second she learned that a baby woodpecker in her gad backyard was about to be eaten by the family cat the problem was that the woodpecker is a protected species under the federal migratory bird act which means it's illegal to take are transported baby woodpecker. so basically one of them happening is they walk into a store with a family if it was a home depot and a woman came up pulled out a badge that is illegal for you to be transporting it and now they're getting

slapped with a five hundred thirty five dollars fine for trying to save a little with breaker for the big cats well i think what we all just learned here was you don't intervene on a fight between two evils and clearly if a cat and a bird are fighting you let them be and whoever you know once an equalizer maybe it's just a right to watch them and let nature run its course. you know. you know you. could really birds and people you know really got to save that one would just i don't know i didn't think fire boy this is that you just have to leave the bird in the car and like you know well you know the little good way you know you know why a bird was in the car what was with them at lowe's anyways if they were at home when they got the bird i thought they were going from point a to home maybe they were going to buy some bird seed feed whatever pick it out and you never know ok really quickly this is the last one you apparently thought it was really popular on twitter and former staffer said that he's actually been buying twitter for various

agencies so turns out that ninety two percent of his followers are fake i think it's i just love how everyone calls out cocker saying that story's not true what they were right the story wasn't true they reported that eighty percent it was really ninety two percent were. ninety two i mean how many i. you know exactly how many followers he actually has because to pay people to be your face yes i'll run for you really a million. people started getting suspicious because sarah palin only has like six hundred thousand and they thought that was a little strange when we know that nobody likes newt gingrich so that a little let us follow you know i mean it's just like there are hot girls doing odd things on twitter who don't have as many followers as an old man who you know because newt gingrich did all men excuses to how to talk their way out of infidelity like our girl to get her out of a thanks for joining me tonight show thanks for tuning in and make sure you come back tomorrow and experience the young turks with me on the show again now in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the a lot of show on facebook and follow us on twitter he missed any of tonight's show

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