that the existing system and we're going to be the ones most hostile to any kind of discussion much less change our david and i thank you so much for joining us tonight so shoot we need some new masters some people there who actually represent us in that case thanks so much thank you. now when we return we have our tuesday edition of show and tell and in recent weeks we've learned about secret u.s. military operations in somalia is not going to talk about the fact that half of the weapons that we supplied a foreign peacekeeping troops and now they handed off to scott horton contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harper's magazine.

president barack obama signed the last minute deal to raise review as dead ceiling after the senate finally votes for the motion to avoid the vote but critics say there is little to cheer about as america still faces because we cannot make recovery. the u.n. security council resumes discussions on a resolution on syria after a bloody government crackdown on protesters in houma continues for it's a day with more demonstrators reported killed opting to sunday's death toll of more than one hundred rush says a new zealand decision must be driven by the interests of the city when. the israelis seized by a tidal wave of antigovernment protests demanding sweeping economic reforms but demonstrators complained that summer of discontent is launching a big pasta by the international media. as the headlines now let's go back to the end. download the official

location q i phone oh i pod touch from the i choose our. one jaunty life on the go. video on demand. is mine comes and says feeds now in the palm of your. question on the dot com. fifty. fifty fifty fifty. fifty . guys it's time for show and tell now last hour we explain how norway and the u.s. deal with crime and punishment but despite the differences we want to know which

prison system you thought was more effective one in america or the one in norway so it's got a producer for treason to send you to find out what you have to say. welcome to the international travel wards for the best prisons in the world now well last year italy won the four star fashion award for designer suits this year's winner is norway. re of five stars by frequent guests for an all inclusive modern fitness facility recording studio private bass and complimentary meals with the guest this week coking glass is the only thing wrong by american standards is only twenty percent of the guests come back now the winner of this year's worst prison system as rated by guest is the same as last year's and the year before that the united states.

it's rated one house of a burned out star overcrowding noise violence and gas complaining about the shared showers except for some reason sixty percent of all guests were turned for a future visit so go figure that's why we asked our viewers which prison system you thought was more effective is it norway or the u.s. dream coyote said norway provides both a social safety net and incarceration that tries to rehabilitate and the u.s. prisons are considered successful if they keep everyone in had a boy agrees he said nothing is as just functional as a u.s. prison ben they feed told us mix in the overcrowding and that u.s. prisons are a classroom for learning crime. time and norway wins hands down kate on the other hand has no compassion for inmates rehabilitation he says is a total crock the idea of prison is containment and punishment is not meant to be a holiday camp that may be true kate but that doesn't mean that it works if there's

a one thing the u.s. is good at it's making prisoners the u.s. actually leads the world in it it's one segment of the global competition that not even china can take away from us and the proof is more prisoners are returned to the u.s. prisons as some over and over again and it's not because of the highly recommended accommodations. our guys thanks for giving us your input and here's our next question for you the debt deal has been reached the president assigned as the default crisis was averted but let's face it did this really have to be a crisis what is know you think did congress actually fabricate this debt crisis you can respond to us on facebook twitter and you tube and knows your response it just might make it on air. now we discuss police brutality incidents on the regular basis here on this show but this next story that we're about to share is absolutely horrendous on july sixth police responded to a call that a homeless man was vandalizing cars in the attempted to search thirty seven year

old kelly thomas he resisted and that's when this incident got violent several fullerton cops began to kick and beat thomas who has schizophrenia and then proceeded to hog tie him and then tase him six times ultimately putting the homeless man into a coma a new video has been released for bystanders were telling an orange county bus driver about what they had witnessed.

now that surveillance video was taken right after thomas was taken to the hospital when he arrived he was already in a coma and never regained consciousness the family took him off of life support just a few days later and the outcry over this tragic case of police brutality is growing more and more people hear and see the way the cops treated the schizo frantic man and i say and i'll cry is in order take a look at thomas' face before and after he was brutally beaten that is so gruesome that it's truly impossible for me to understand how police people are paid by people like you and i to protect could do something like that your reports say the f.b.i. is investigating this incident but as of right now just one of the officers has been put on administrative leave not even fired just put on leave and get this the fullerton police department says that the public outcry over this incident has affected officers more out overly it's affected police more al i think it's

a small price to pay for the way that kelly thomas died his own father is a retired orange county sheriff's deputy and he's described his son's death as a gang style cold blooded aggravated murder who in their right mind thinks that a one hundred thirty five pound man can survive being brutally beaten kicked hogtied and then tasered six times and for what because thomas resisted arrest all those officers couldn't have chosen at all more a civil approach something like simply holding him down placing handcuffs on him if they kill in the line of duty where no such moves were necessary and that makes them murderers thomas's mentally ill police officers should be trained to handle people that have problems like schizo. for any who may be erratic who may be unstable but these people are professionals they are paid for by the american taxpayer but instead these cops acted like thugs probably on a power trip wanting to make sure that this homeless man learned a lesson and look what happened they killed him now they should be held responsible just like you were i would if we were to beat

a man to death this is the one of the most disgusting cases of police brutality that we've reported on the show by far and if the f.b.i. the don't find those cops criminally responsible for thomas' death i think it's safe to say there isn't much hope for law enforcement in our society. r l to get back to our interview that was interrupted earlier on somalia we learned much about us involved in a recent weeks but now thanks to robert young pelton at the small airports and david x. that wire is dangerous when even more information turns out that buried deep in u.n. reports is evidence that half of all u.s. supplied weapons to ugandan and burundian soldiers who belong to the african union's peacekeeping force that are supposed to be fighting al shabaab turns out that have those weapons are ending up right in the hands of al shabaab and it's a familiar sounding story because it is it's happened numerous times before so you have to wonder why we can't learn from our own history what it says for the wars that we might be arming in the future joining me to discuss this is scott horton

contributing editor on legal and national security matters for harford's fact is even scott thanks for joining us tonight we finally got got you on the screen there now am i right or am i right this is a familiar story how many times could you say that it's happened before. constantly i mean let's let's think back to the whole crisis in afghanistan actually both in the soviet era and then later with the american invasion the american support of jobbies there the supply that tremendous flow of weapons into that country dick stabilized it back also to the beginning of the conflict in libya just a few months ago where are people especially the oh cons in washington were arguing that we should turn over weapons but i think what you see here in this report is the problem. with that in the situation as violent as challenge does this is in somalia if you pump weapons into it it's very difficult to control where

those weapons will go and in this case we see the ugandan them burundi soldiers especially the ugandans who are themselves of poverty but simply someone the guns for money so the weapons turn up in the hands of our terrorist adversary. now scott you know what do you know exactly to when it comes to how much funding how many weapons you might be giving to these ugandan and who are indian troops david x. mentioned in his report that between two thousand and seven and two thousand and nine there is about two hundred million dollars going into this but considering the now we've have this laser light focus on somalia do you think if those numbers probably have shot up oh no doubt about it and no doubt that in somalia today we're fighting a proxy war so the united states is providing support intelligence but also weapons to various proxies and that's included these ugandan.

troops which also included ethiopians kenyans and various tribal groups within some are you including the so-called government of somalia which controls a couple of square miles of downtown mogadishu now the really frustrating thing of course about this is that base information can be found and a u.n. report but it's buried somewhere deep they never want this type of information to come out or to surface to be made public to the public who is taxpayer dollars are going to find it so do you think that we're ever going to learn our lesson or we're just going to keep fighting proxy wars keep arming people and when at the end of the day we don't know where those weapons will end up. well i think that that's a big issue and it's particularly an issue where we're fighting proxy wars everywhere where we're using not professional uniformed soldiers but using contractors and i think we see in iraq right now the sunsetting of the american force may be coming to an end by the end of this year maybe not but we see the

state department's plan to deploy a contractor army there we're going to see a drawdown of american forces in afghanistan but that replaced with contractors as well so i think we're going to see these the same problems repeated over and over again around the world and congressional oversight i don't think so we see a little evidence of that once the thing to write is that we don't see many legal repercussions or at least we have seen sound when it comes to trying to go after the blackwater although many of those efforts legally have not been successful at thus far but you mentioned iraq admiral mullen actually said this week of course that he's waiting for iraq to give the u.s. an answer as to whether or not they want troops to stay there past the deadline but he also said that if they stay they want immunity for the troops is that something that we that we have to do all the time is that why it's much easier to have proxies fight the war if you don't have to worry about legal woes when it comes to

your own troops. it's going to be a difficult issue in iraq because of the experience with blackwater but here we've got to differentiate so it's conventional that there's a status of forces agreement that provides a new knitty that is that that says that american soldiers will be dealt with under the american military justice system that's the system we have in place with germany italy spain japan for instance nothing unusual about that the really difficult area here is going to be when it comes to those contractors when it comes to the black waters and the others because they have not been dealt with under the american military justice system they haven't been dealt with under the american criminal law either with only a handful of cases where the justice department under tremendous pressure has brought cases and then those it with respect to those individuals there's a strong press inside of iraq for the iraqi criminal justice system to be applied and if they shoot up

a village for them to be prosecuted for it that's going to be the friction point and i think we saw admiral mullen very cautiously putting out the question of a status of forces agreement but the bigger question in the end of the day is going to be about these contractors now if you had to take a guess and the meantime i guess although if we want contractors to say there that we can get around iraq saying no to the troops do you think that iraq is going to ask for about ten thousand troops to stay. my bet is yes the iraqis will say that the limit is that he's trying to force this question i think quite properly because the american military needs to plan here the delimit is that it's not a popular thing in iraq today to call for the americans to stay in fact our night raids have been extremely unpopular with the iraqis there's a large majority of iraqis who would like to see the u.s. out but the political leadership of the country feels that they need american soldiers to tide them over certainly at least for another couple of years so i

think in the end that they were going to see that call i had scal i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and to sustain a rock proxy war is there a lot going on that americans don't know about. great to be with you thanks. ari coming out of the whole don't say gave bill one kind of same and back and it actually earned the politicians a nice old time award at a happy hour tonight a t.v. station in chicago probably needs an epic lesson plus a new gingrich's twitter account is full of fake followers back into my.

plans to close a team was in the cool gum region the four men flock from all over the world to have a few centimeters to their self-confidence. this time archie goes to the amore reaches . for the gold rush still gets people like to. her an ancient tribe fights to save its culture. where cranes are protected and the first adult on

official nature reserve. to the region. should close up on the party. it used to be an ideal place for a holiday but it changed. the beginnings of your are still visible. to the public is not only relieved but also shaping the future. i decide for tonight's told time award and tonight it goes to the governor of tennessee republican bill has fallen now he took office at the start of last year or of the year excuse me and he's had to deal with several crazy proposed laws in

his state we discussed several of those laws right here on this show one that would make the practice of shari'a law a felony equal to treason another bill would allow teachers to challenge evolution without fear of reprisal but the story that are in the biggest headlines of course was the don't say gay bill. no public elementary or middle school shall provide any instruction or material that discusses sexual orientation other than heterosexuality the mantra now although that in past this year nobody knows if lawmakers are just going to try again next year but this week a national newspaper asked governor hostler about the future of the don't say gay built and apparently he's hoping the bill will just go away because of all the bad p.r. that it's status take it but then he actually tried to blame the media for all of the bad publicity he said quote don't say gay is really sexy and yada yada yada it's not going anywhere who runs a student achievement district is huge but you'd be lucky to find two paragraphs on

that now governor has lost his trying to deflect the attention from the real issue here he's playing the victim of the big bad media he's indicating that they came up with the don't say gave bill just to sell newspapers and for ratings points sorry that's not the case you're just pissed because your state became a punchline for numerous jokes even when openly gay actor george takei started making money off of this proposed law and to him you need to say the word gay you can simply say. for example you could safely proclaim you are a supporter of take a marriage if you're in a more festive mood you can march in and take a pride parade even homophobic slurs don't seem absurd full of someone says that there's. now instead of worrying about all the bad p.r. in the late night jokes given our governor bill house should have told lawmakers they would have just vetoed the don't say gay bill if it reaches debts but he

wouldn't stand up to those in his own party and as i mentioned before on this show while you may not like gay people and who they sleep with you can just wish them away you also can't blame the media the idiots in your state actually think the world works like that and that's why we're giving a republican tennessee governor bill haslam tonight's tool time award. our guys it's time for happy hour tonight and joining me this evening us our chief producer jenny churchill and libby jacobson senior policy analyst for new media strategies public affairs ladies thank you for joining me. ok we often see you know funny things that happen on news stations but it's really funny when you watch like an anchor messed up or something it's not quite as funny when you realize that they just edited a video to go with their story and well it just really doesn't look good this one

comes from chicago so here we're going to show you the clip of what actually aired and then we'll show you the real one. two teenagers are wounded on the city's south side and have pretty seventy four is an eighteen year old man and sixteen year old girl work while standing on the sidewalk meals in good condition while the girls are expected to recover and kids on the street as young as four were there to see it all unfold and a disturbing reaction. hello i'm not scared nothing really good news story from those guns no no you know what you want to do when you get older. ok so the way they aired a cute little black kid looks like he wants to grow up going to want to have me a gun wasn't what he actually said we want to do when you get older. you're going want to do. it which is not going to be deployed. you know a little different wouldn't you say i would have to have me

a gun because they think he wants to be a gangster but he actually wants to be a cop and help police the streets well it's really sad because obviously this reporter had an idea when he went out there of how he wanted to cover the story and he molded the soundbites to fit that story when in reality that little kid saying i want to be a police officer in my opinion is just as good of a story to say oh he's a mits crime and gangs and he still wants to be you know on the good side you know what kind of reporter or editor i suppose could take that adorable little kid and try to spin him as some kind of criminal but you know i know i can but also i can't believe that you know i'm sure his mother was furious when she saw the story because they made her four year old look like a gang banger when he was talking about his dreams and aspirations must have given of course permission for him to be on camera because you have to ask and so that i'm pretty sure that wasn't what the mom was going for either which you know yes you can partake in the story now this is something that the reason did that

everyone's talking about on t.v. because matt damon is defending teachers and a lot of people on either side of this debate take a look. there's an incentive to work hard and be a better actor because you want to have a job so why isn't it like that for a teacher it's not an incentive that's the thing so you take this m.b.a. you're right it's the problem with that policy right now is this intrinsically paternalistic problems that are much more complex than that i mean why else would you take a. really long hours unless you really love to do. well the best part of course is when they go to good will hunting and they're just crying and hugging at the end there but you know this is a debate that's been going on all across the country is it was should teachers have tenure shouldn't you have an incentive to want to work hard otherwise if you think you can't get fired you're not going to get libby i'm curious to get your take on the whole situation i have a lot of teachers in the family you have to be careful but what i say to make sure

i still get invited home for the holidays but you know matt damon he's clearly an educated intelligent guy can string along multi-syllable words like you say it intrinsically paternalistic so but basically what he says he doesn't just say. exactly but basically what he says is teachers really like their jobs but he didn't really address the question of great they like their jobs but is our education system actually filling the goals that we wanted to achieve and that was the problem that i had i mean i'm sorry but that was a terrible argument your argument is that they love their job that's not the same as being a good teacher and informing generations of americans just because your love something doesn't mean that you're good at lots of kids try out for sports they love and are terrible but they surely get trophies in this country so when i go into it so you're a character we talk about this all the time although like i said some people think that. the reporter and. everyone super excited to talk about this issue

because matt damon said something that's just my curse of celebrity always now this . just sometimes you look at these stories and it just makes you want to shake your head and think of how unfortunately laws created to protect certain things are just stupid when they're actually used take a look a lot in your oldest firing veterinarian skyler kate those sprang into action the second she learned that a baby woodpecker in her dad backyard was about to be eaten by the family cat the problem was that the woodpecker is a protected species under the federal migratory bird act which means it's illegal to take or transport a baby woodpecker. so basically what ended up happening is they walked into a store with a family i think was a home depot and a woman came up pulled out her badge said this is illegal for you to be transporting it and now they're getting slapped with a five hundred thirty five dollars fine for trying to save little with banker for the big fat cat well i think what we all just learned here was you don't intervene

on a fight between two evils and clearly if a cat and a bird are fighting if you let them be and whoever you know the evil eyes maybe it's just. let nature run its course. you know. we don't. really birds and wreck people who you know really got to save that one would back or just i don't know i would say entire point of this is that you just have to leave the bird in the car like you know right on the little. bird was in the woods with them at lowe's anyways if they were at home when they got the bird i thought they were going from point a to home maybe they were going to buy some bird seed feed whatever let them pick it out you never know ok really quickly this is the last so newt gingrich apparently about it was really on twitter and the former staffer said that he's actually been buying twitter for years for various agencies so it turns out that ninety two percent of his followers are fake i think it's i just love how everyone called out gawker saying that story's not true what they

were right the story wasn't true they reported that eighty percent it was really ninety two percent were. ninety two i mean how many i. you know exactly how many followers he actually has because to pay people to be your faith yes i'll run what are you going to louisville you know yeah yeah and people started getting suspicious because sarah palin only has like six hundred thousand and they thought that was a little strange that well we know that nobody likes newt gingrich so that is a little going to follow you know i mean it's just like there are hot girls doing odd things on twitter who don't have nearly as many followers as an old man who you know because newt gingrich gave all men excuses to how to talk their way out of infidelity and i'm like my girl got a rabbit out of a thanks for joining me that's it for tonight's show thanks for tuning in and make sure that you come back tomorrow and experience for the young turks to be on the show again now in the meantime don't forget to become a fan of the alone a show on facebook and follow us on twitter he missed any of tonight's show or any other nights you can always catch it on youtube dot com slash the ilona shelf and coming up next is adam versus the man.

more news today violence is once again flared up. these are the images the world has been seeing from the streets of canada. showing corporation to rule the day. wealthy british soil the sun. sometimes because they don't. like.