book of the law to show you how to get the real headlines with none of them or say i can live in washington d.c. now they will speak with an experience of the young turks are going to look at how the debt deal is affecting college students and then ask if that's why no one's protesting on the streets in the us today because they simply can't afford it then is the republican party facing an identity crisis when it comes to foreign policy we're going to take a look at where the twenty twelve candidates stand and look at who's caught their

ear and they're calling it the biggest a coordinated cyber attack in history going on for five years that's a fact that over seventy organizations including u.s. government agencies so why are we just finding out about it or you have all of that and more for you tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to miss. you know for a little while there during this entire debt ceiling debacle it seemed like maybe just maybe the mainstream media was going to try to get serious cover the issues that really affect this country fortunately as we showed you over the past few days even though they covered that very serious topic they also have failed at how they did it once again focusing on partisanship or time rather than who gets hurt so it looks like they're just giving up they're just going back to their tried and true friend casey anthony i kid you not he's back and they're back on it casey anthony

could be forced out of hiding a judge is demanding that she return to florida today now we move to casey anthony spotted for the first time since she walked out of jail the location ohio and we have breaking news from orlando florida just stepping down from his case after he ordered casey anthony to turn herself in take a look at this web page they have a ploy this is the case she is. page and all that it says awaiting the photographs . yes ladies and gentlemen it's come to this casey anthony is gripping news once more and now we have to live with websites with their pictures of her and of a paparazzi of course the rabid nancy grace fans are going to start snapping them up too but can we just leave that to them can we leave that on the web leave it to gossip mags leave it out of the so-called news now that again since the corporate owned media probably does want to highlight the fact the corporations got off scot free when it comes to closing tax loopholes can only say i'm shocked but remember they're not just corporate they're also according to m.s.n. p.c.'s own president bill griffin of the establishment i now think exemplify that

better than their constant regurgitation of every single word that the white house says case in point is making this president obama turns to his jobs agenda now involving all the bus tour of the midwest a president says he's doing a focus on jobs how much of an uphill battle will be for him on the campaign. oh did you hear that the president's going to pivot to focusing on the economy and job creation now my god that is just absolutely incredible that is so wise and wonderful of him let's all just bow our heads and he's great how low people the president's been in office who more than two years now and guess what the economy was already of a toilet when he took office so that's when he should have started focusing on it and actually back to it that's exactly what he promised about point that he promised it again after the health care debate because you know that got in the way for a while then he promised it again after the new year government shutdown because well that got in the way for

a while and now he's promising it again after congress just wasted months of our tax dollars greater the disgusting amount of uncertainty all about the possibility of a default is that our other things just keep getting in the way of focusing on jobs in the economy that is an even more odd and embarrassing and ridiculous the every time you come he comes out and uses the jobs rhetoric and the mainstream media treats it like it's the first time they have ever heard those words come from his lips wake up people how about instead of just reporting on what the white house said they're going to do that day you actually report of the things that they haven't done you call them out you don't let them continue to find distractions and you call on them to focus on the economy because guess what his prospects aren't looking so good markets will continue to tank jobs numbers for the month of july are coming out of the end of this week and they are not supposed to be good predictions are already saying that our growth will not only continue to slow as it has been all this year it's actually going to be negative next year and part of that is because people don't have any money to spend consumer spending already fell

last month and that of course means that companies will be hiring they're going to keep hiding their profits in overseas bank accounts as well as moving more jobs overseas that means that unemployment is not going to fall demand is not going to go up and we're going to be stuck in this never ending cycle of bad news and dates and new lows but don't worry because the mainstream need. as you can report on those figures for you they just want ever be able to connect any dots and tell you why it's happening because they've got is decided to have collective amnesia to forget the government isn't actually doing anything about it so they just act excited every time the white house once again announces they'll be pivoting towards the economy and jobs and that my friends is how they. are to the democrats obviously lost the debt debate and they didn't just lose it for themselves in terms of political points they lost it for social programs for

middle class and poor americans for education and for just about everything else that you can think of they get sacrificed all to keep corporations and wealthy americans from having to pay their fair share and special interests so what are we to do well last night speaking on the channel very own current t.v. former vice president al gore call for us to have an american spring to bring democracy back we need to have an american spring you know the. non-violent part of it isn't finished yet but we need to have an american storing account of the american. nonviolent change were people from the grassroots get involved again. al gore stop just short of calling for revolution he still seems to believe that the democratic process of voting really gives people a voice but what about grassroots effort that he is calling for why are we seeing an american spring seeing you young americans take to the streets like we have throughout north africa and the middle east when one reason maybe because they

can't afford it and it's recently passed that deal might only be making that situation worse joining me from our studio in los angeles to discuss this is an actress ferry and host of the young turks university and thanks so much for joining us tonight now since the debt deal has passed of course we have heard and i think rightly so a lot of outcry you can say from progressive's keith oberman call for people to go to the streets now we have al gore telling people that we need an american spring but do you think with that's really possible. i do think it's possible i think that people need to be motivated enough to do so i think people need to believe in themselves and be confident in the fact that an american spring could happen you know going back to the al gore interview i just want to say careful to say that he does not want a revolution in fact later in the interview he says that people can go to the polls people can go to the internet and those grassroots efforts really make a difference you know i respect him but i do disagree with him on that point and

the reason why i disagree with him is because the thing that undermines our democracy right now is the citizens united ruling right now. and since they only united states pockets of politicians it's nearly impossible for us to exercise their democratic rights so i think that there needs to be a revolution i'm not calling for violence i'm not calling for a violent revolution but i do think that we need to take to the streets and we do need to be more politically active and hold these politicians accountable with the debt deal is agreed just and it drives me crazy that no one is out as outraged as it out outraged of it as we are let's talk about you know we'll go through some of the reasons as to why people might not be out in the streets right now because they're not outraged or might be like i said earlier because they simply can't afford it you know earlier on the show this week we spoke to a woman who has been unemployed for three years she's a ninety nine er she advocates on behalf of them but when i asked why you are now protesting she said she doesn't have any money let's face it it takes money if you

want to be a permanent protester if you want to drop everything and leave it all behind organized pay for bus tickets and maybe get thousands or tens of thousands of people to one area. it is difficult and that's why the tea party movement has been so successful you have the koch brothers who are billionaires funding and basically motivating these people to get together and protest for their political ideology it's very difficult for a progressive to do the same thing because we are anti corporations ok we're not anti corporations but we believe that all corporations should pay their fair share of taxes the corporate world doesn't like that so are they going to fund our protests hell no they're not but you know you've got to keep in mind of the people in their world are not wealthy individuals you know even though they have limited resources they still found a way to get together and to protest in order to fight for their rights and i think we could do something very similar in the united states and i think that a lot of americans right now are either complacent or ignorant about what's really

going on and we need to change that we need to educate people on what's really going on and how they're being screwed by politicians in washington right now what or not to talk about you know i think that too is that there are young people that went out on the streets and maybe young people here just don't have that same opportunity because they're riddled with college debt and this is something that robert levy wrote about too when you look at some of these other countries they still have public universities you still have to pay to go to school whereas here you have a lot of college that and then the debt deal just even make that worse for graduate students. it absolutely made it worse if you are a graduate student you can no longer expect to get a government subsidized loan that doesn't mean you can't get a government loan it just needs that you can no longer defer the interest on your loan till six months after you graduate as it is you take out that loan you will have to start paying interest on it immediately ok that is under-reported aspect of

the debt deal but that i think people need to be educated on and do i think most graduate students know about what's happening no they don't base should know because if you've taken out the maximum of mounds of government loans you can expect to spend an additional two hundred dollars each month in paying off your loans that's in addition to the principal and you should be upset or upset about that you should be outraged by that but you know a lot of these students have these student loans a lot of them feel helpless a lot of them graduate and are having a difficult time finding a job and it's hard for them to see outside of their own personal situation so a lot of them don't get discouraged from spending their very limited time and resources in going out there and actually sizing their democratic rights or could it also be that there's an element of fear and volunteered to this is another one of the things that were really be mentioned is that not only do we live in a society these days where we are constantly under some sort of surveillance and

you can always be monitored or attached to your cell phone where anybody can figure out where you were at any given time but we also have prison system you know i guess you could say a criminal justice system that really does like to lock people outside people scared to go out and protest. absolutely the surveillance is one aspect of it the private prisons i mean it's big business in america private prisons make so much money off getting people in jail so that's one of the things that is definitely discouraging people from being politically active but look a resolution is not something that simple if revolutions were simple we wouldn't have this discussion at all you know we would have any problems in our political spectrum we have huge problems because the establishment the elites the people who are corporatists they find ways to intimidate the public they find ways to keep the public down and we need to fight against that that might mean that we're risking imprisonment that might mean that we're risking a lot but i think that overall it's worth it in the end and right now our country is really going down the tubes and i don't see anyone really fighting to stop that

from happening do you think that there would be a way let's say the revolution did happen here in the u.s. i want to know how you would envision that do you think that americans are unified and after we have you know one common enemy they can get people to go out onto the streets like you could say we saw in egypt of wanting mubarak to step down or you know are we just too divided and nobody would ever do organize on that large scale . here's one thing or one aspect of america that everyone is unhappy with president obama progresses around happy with him republicans are unhappy with him i guess that's one thing that we can all agree on i mean we all dislike him for certain completely different reasons and dislike is a hard word but we're not happy with him for completely different reasons but we don't like the way that he is handling washington right now he's completely abandoned his base he keeps talking about how he wants to be bipartisan and he wants to make the republicans happy the republicans are still unhappy they still go

to the mainstream media and bash the hell out of him ok but one thing that i think that we can also all agree on is that people need to pay their fair share of taxes i think that you know the top one percent might disagree with that but the majority of the public wants the corporations to you know stop with the types of loopholes pay their fair share of taxes and stop defunding the united states which is what basically happens for a very long time now so i think that if people were educated on what's really going on if people knew why all of these social programs are getting cut they would take to the streets but in order for that to happen in order for them to be educated we need to depend on independent media and we need to indicate we need to depend on shows that are not afraid of sharing the truth the segment that you did right before my interview was incredible you know and that's the truth that's something that a lot of people in the mainstream are free to tell people it's just that people need to know in order to get motivated to take to the streets all right well thank you

for the compliment first of all and i thank you so much for joining us tonight and we'll see if people finally can get educated enough and motivated enough to really come together. thank you. now still ahead tonight a very very small victory for the a.c.l.u. in their battle with the cia over torture tapes but this victory says a lot about the musical system right here in the u.s. and then is the g.o.p. a little confused about what their foreign policy should be or are the top twelve presidential candidates the same old war hawks are going to dive into that topic in just a moment. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so. you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else and here's some other part of it and realize that everything you thought you knew you don't. charge is a big. deal

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i think. well. we're never going to says they're safe get ready because their freedom. so sad reality in the u.s. that the cia is simply allowed to ignore the law when it doesn't fit their agenda and that's exactly what happened on a.c.l.u. took their case against the u.s. intelligence agency to a new york federal court back in november we first told you about a disgusting practice where the cia destroyed video evidence of operatives allegedly torturing or captives ninety two tapes that showed intelligence officials

torturing terrorism suspects and. were wiped out as well as records of torture flights now keep in mind this happened back in two thousand and five and it wasn't until two thousand and seven when it was a real to the public by then cia director michael hayden however this was also around the same time a torture grave occurred and was starting to get a lot of negative media attention for the agency so it makes sense that they would prefer to just destroy the incriminating evidence of their practices rather than have to suffer the consequences of their actions and we discussed the destruction of the evidence with senior a.c.l.u. member christopher anders he mentioned that nobody of any real significance has been held accountable for what is legal and fortunately since i will agree if you will include held criminally liable are people at the very bottom soldiers soldiers and sailors who are who are privates and corporals sergeants. so the a.c.l.u. took the cia to civil court for destroying the evidence of illegal torture and it's

been a long hard battle since that and sadly we're going to learn today and not much is going to come out of all of this the judge in this case ordered the cia to reimburse the a.c.l.u. for their legal fees the response when attempting to obtain the evidence of that torture under the bush administration and some are calling that a victory but i hardly see it that way first of all if this had to be a civil court case from the start the judicial system knew that they weren't going to actually hold anybody like jose rodriguez responsible for illegally torturing people it was all a smoke and mirrors move to say ok maybe we screwed up but for the sake of national security we saw a king. bring these people to justice and the judges even go to the saying bottom line we're in a dangerous world we need our spies we also need surveillance and if that's a good thinking where the real problem lies in all this and these high level officials bypassed international law approved the use of torture and then destroy the evidence successfully all because we're afraid if the times were afraid that we

should be clinging to the law not throwing it away and this case is just another reminder that some people really are above the law in this country and frankly it's a sad day when private organizations have to go to such means to pursue holding government officials accountable for flouting the law because the justice department simply doesn't feel like getting their hands dirty with it. now safe to assume that the economy is going to be the top issue for the two thousand and twelve presidential race especially if as predicted unemployment doesn't fall and growth becomes negative and even the stock has deniers of a double dip can no longer argue that case let's not forget of course that we are involved in two official wars in iraq and afghanistan one war that the administration refuses to call a war in libya and shadow wars of which we only hear whispers every time a drone strike kills and pakistan yemen and somalia and let's also not forget that the middle east and north africa are rapidly changing following the arab spring so foreign policy isn't exactly going to fall by the wayside but what is the g.o.p.'s

foreign policy some like the late posit that it's all over the map a party in confusion a crisis implosion on foreign affairs do we bring troops home or do we keep them there do we tighten the belt on defense or add another notch and perhaps the most divisive issue do they hate and fear all muslims or just the radical ones so let's take a look at where the trend is going so far who is advising the contenders and whether the party in is in division even holds true joining me to discuss this is james poulos host of the bottom line and reform school on the james thanks for joining us tonight so i want to get your opinion as to whether you really think that the g.o.p. is having some type of an identity crisis here when it comes to foreign policy or whether it's just you know the same old war hawks with the exception of ron paul and gary johnson who let's face it have always been the exceptions. well i think the hawkishness is still there it's not going to go anywhere there are the exceptions of course they're playing an increasingly vocal role i think the hawks

are a little more willing to listen this time of war less popular hawkishness still there there's a there's an interest in doing this in a more economically smart and efficient way i think there's a hesitance to get involved in more overseas operations and look at the debt deal it passed a lot of people unhappy with it it's astonishing i think to see right up front what you get billions of dollars in defense cuts something that would not have happened before the tea party came into our this is not something what happened during the bush years of course so we're seeing i think a reassessment that is continuing and i think it's going to be productive there are some there's some friction of course but i don't think this is where the g.o.p. is in danger. but none of the candidates aside from ron paul and gary johnson have actually advocated for defense cuts quite the opposite we just heard many of them ministration inside congress or even try and go down that path well that's true you know look this is presidential politics this primary season an easy thing to do the safe thing to do and politically smart thing to do if you're a presidential candidate in primary season and republican side is to say you know

they made a good effort if the debt deal everyone wants a solution but personally i can support this so you get mitt romney saying that he would support you the shock in saying that he wouldn't support it there's a lot in there to complain about no matter where you're coming from but i think when it comes to defense spending it's it's tea partiers who are willing to can't make compromise on hacking away at the giant defense bureaucracy to parties who are willing to tax expenditures there's a willingness to reassess how it is that conservatives govern that i don't think you necessarily would get in there out of but if we talk about specific candidates out there let's face it michele bachmann is considering herself in primetime partly out of that she's now pushed herman cain out of the way he has the support the firm i don't understand how he can be a tea partier and be all about fiscal austerity and also still basically following in john mccain's thoughts that. well is it because the tea party isn't like an ordinary political party it's there's there's no there take a look like the rest of them are saying but you know look you've got ron paul is

just as national a tea party figurehead for what it's worth as michele bachmann you've got you've got to be using the tea party you've got constructive disagreement there as much as you do on the right or on the left where you know of course democrats are under some intense pressure to figure out how they're going to square the circle when it comes to playing out their se this. term here and how they're going to go forward when it comes to discretionary spending versus and suddenly spending it. one of the things that really interests me here and this is one of the issues that you know i like also when it comes to you and you said you don't think they're imploding by any means but there might be some kind of a decision here or excuse me of the vision here when it comes to the party as to whether to decide that they still believe that muslim nations can be democratized and go the george w. bush route or you have people like michele bachmann and sam paul and who is having on the bandwagon now of his thinking that all muslims are evil because enough itself is not a moderate religion by any means that we need to fear sharia law at all times of

creeping into america well of course there's a huge difference between saying we should be afraid of a radicalized group of people and therefore they're evil and the game is saying that you will i think they're saying look the middle east is going through a massive period of transition right now violence leading across the region it's going on in syria it's happening in egypt it's happening all over the place this is something that we ought to be concerned about as you know our national security i think i'm pretty safe ground there but when it comes to tensions in the g o t when it. i think that we may have is that back. i think we lost you for a second there but you know let me just interrupt for a second still though i mean one of the people that you could say is a big figurehead or some of the has the ear of many of this would be frank gaffney who if you ask me is absolutely crazy the guy's a loon but he is very much in the all muslims are evil camp i don't understand how people can still take this guy seriously ok i break it down like this there are

some people who are were concerned that islam as such is just not compatible with american democracy. people who you know have some set themselves down thought it over and done their homework and then come to conclude oh you know islam is incompatible fundamentally was american i know it's you know there's no people who have gone through the same process they from two different and it's only this this is a disagreement this is one disagree with this not you know. this woman wrote. it . they want to shoot it's going to involve simpson topping out and again is you going to turn into a lot of these things where you know right now it's kind of up in the air and there's not cheating to talk some of the stuff through that part is going to fall if one presidential candidate and that candidate like it or not is going to be the figurehead for the you know for today's g.o.p. should g.o.p. that's presenting a current contemporary alternative to obama you're going to have to make some decisions there is party i was wondering how much talking it out is there actually going to be on the campaign trail as we get closer to twenty twelve do you think

we're going to start seeing these candidates actually criticizing each other calling them out on some of these differences as to whether you think that islam and democracy are compatible or not or are they going to go the easy route and just you know go fully forward just criticizing obama and saying he did everything wrong he hates israel he likes russia and china too much and that's the way it is. well i think you're going to get i think you're going to get both it's inevitable that as the primary season heats up the candidates are going to start having to take some laxity ship and in some cases might have to reassess their own positions we saw this determined cheney came out very strongly against against the shari'a the shari'a problem against. muslims might cause too much no actually he had to walk a lot of those things back and it wasn't just a burger so we have a problem is an actual problem in america let's be clear that's why you had to walk it back there is not a real problem here i think the reason why he had to walk it back is because he was getting pushback from within his own constituency partiers libertarians who are

saying hey wait a minute let's go back to you know let's go back to the constitution doesn't actually bill of rights let's emphasize here that there is freedom of religion and that east. as we as i said talk straight to that for herman cain he's also the one that thinks that it's probably within the constitution for communities to be able to ban mosques i think like i think that he's going to have a lot of reading up to do in that case but is there anyone that you see is the most hawkish the most john mccain or should at this point. well you know i don't know if i'd call if i'd say that that hawks ought to be thought of as being synonymous with john mccain. you might recall had the reputation going to last presidential election and not just being a hawk but of being someone who was a little bit erratic someone who wouldn't apply this in a reasonable and most tolerable and calculating manage and i think that's the kind of rub that is going to be the albatross that barack obama is now dragging around

his own neck republicans right now they're still going to be fox going to continue to be shocking in their approach towards policy where they need a little more real story a little more idealist but what i think what the party wants right now and here's a place where the establishment and and the insurgents and the republican party agree is they want someone who's going to be able to be hawkish as a president but do so in. share fall and they discriminating way and when you look at the way you are a problem of the same like iraq as kids are learning as i got or after that when you're going to keep his cool i'm sure as we're out of time we got to get a break they've got are taking more joining us but i think that we probably have different opinions as to what is a careful and calculating way now so i had a response on your comments left on lines night and you said i read a segment hammerhead talk about operational photograph airport valley fair details the largest cyber attack in plus three percent just found out about a look at target.