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commission chief has written to eurozone nation leaders saying the bailout fund may need to be increased yet again as fears mount that europe's sovereign debt crisis couldn't golf italy and spain also a little relief on the u.s. where investors fearing another recession have led american stocks leading to wall street's worst day in three years since the global financial crisis started. anti-government protesters in syria reject president assad's decree legalising opposition parties as activists say more than one hundred have died since the weekend in a continuing assault by troops on the rest of the city of hama reacting to the bloodshed the u.n. security council condemned the government's deadly crackdown on demonstrators and called for a. turtle political dialogue the result of violence. and

a french court has ordered an investigation into possible misuse of public funds by the new international monetary fund chief christine lagarde when she was france's finance minister and she took over from dominic strauss kahn of the i.m.f. last month after he stepped down from the post after being charged with sexual assault in new york coming up our interview to show spotlight today al gore now speaks with the pen shook the chairman of the board of trustees of the late buy call protection fund about the threats facing the world's biggest freshwater resource. however. i'm.

the world's biggest freshwater lake by. the first. company to be ready. for. a special program to protect the lake but what. is the chance. my protection found. the world's deepest leak. but it may come to an end at any moment the factory spitting out water deadly chemicals straight into the lake undermining its unique ecology the russian government has set

a goal to help by called become clean again but short here's where private investments compel one of russia's richest man cares about by call he's ready to pump in cash a development environment. thank you for being with us today we're going to discuss a very important. not only to russians but the entire world as well. led by call is something every person on the earth admires. it's in the same category as the pyramids in egypt or the eiffel tower why did you decide to protect played by call you're from siberia but your hometown is very far from the lake. does it attract you so much. the question is very much to the point which i'm glad that you're familiar with the subject is indeed quite far from lake baikal. is in

western siberia whereas lakes is in eastern siberia but she reason actually goes back to my childhood when i decided to be a traveler for this purpose i studied geography at mosque university so this is actually what you majored in you know you know i hold a green geography i always wanted to be an oceanographer. i know practically everything there is to know about. you know russian oceanographers but somehow i never became an oceanographer in specializing in environmental protection instead and then in the late one nine hundred ninety s. . as you know russia was going through a difficult time so i saw this movie wall street became a financial. book that it was today i'm a doctor of economics. mostly. so when i finally managed to put together these two things. for the world in my ability to

finance this work i came up with this idea to use near submersibles to explore lake because. it serves several purposes. and it has scientific value and in the same time it helps raise awareness of the problems by call residents are facing. a special status and there are fifteen different agencies in charge of it because they don't have one authority they would all submit to apart from the president of course. because they require special attention but. mention this dive to the bottom of lake baikal . it was a unique project and was actually worth putting in the guinness book of records by the way how they actually put this in the book about. yes they have put it in the russian book of records. was worth a guinness book to order other than being a record just for the fact of it did the buy called have any practical scientific

value. we have for institutes working on this project in each his own research program in the course of three years one hundred seventy five dives took place in most areas point to lake baikal up one hundred seventy five yes hundred and seventy five. of course in the one nine hundred ninety s. exploration was conducted with prices submersibles in the number of dives was much lower. today mir is the best research deep submergence vehicles they're equipped with state of the art equipment presented agree search in the can dive to any depth and there are environmentally friendly which is also important for three years two submarines have explored the lake baikal and spotlights. reports on these unique that's all right. then we are submersibles are quite a rare product of corporation between the jewish society and the west here in the

cold war they were developed in the soviet union and built in finland in menton eighty seven during the twenty four years of their existence they participated in some historic expeditions in the made nine hundred ninety s. then your vessels were used by american producer james cameron to phone the wreck of titanic in two thousand and seven the submersibles carried out a dangerous mission in the arctic when they went forty three hundred meters under the ice to get us some pools of soil and water russian scientists on board one of the vessels want to the symbolic leg on the seabed of the north. the most recent big expedition of the two subs has been too late by call for three years in the room russian scientists have been diving to the bottom of one of the oldest and certainly the i just didn't deepest. fresh want to bodies in the world the subs searched for blondes and examined the level of pollution of my calls one.

ship what does the bottom of lake baikal look like. nobody had actually seen it prior to your expedition did you make any breathtaking discoveries there. there were many discoveries and i believe to be made later as we still haven't persist all the data we've collected. to give you just one example during the first wave the echo sounder device show with the bottom of the depth of four hundred meters which while we expected it is thousand six hundred thirty four meters i was puzzled but it turned out that there was a thick layer of planked on reflecting the signal at four hundred meters but then the same things happened again at the depth of one thousand meters so. has layers like a party it has a natural filter that keep it clean i doze layers formed because of different temperatures possibly we don't know that yet all we know is that there are thick

layers of plankton and then fish feed on the plant on and so on and the cycle goes on you know and you can africa has the same geologic structure but fish live only in the upper layer of two hundred meters because below that level there's too just too much hydrogen sulfide lake baikal is a unique ecosystem because this water has enough oxygen even at the bottom of what we just saw that these pictures show the bottom of lake baikal and there's the bottom indeed there is in fact there are some in demick fish like to start their day this or face and then go to the bottom and return to the surface in the evening using different things along the way the squid how can it handle such pressure difference somehow it can do that it should explode this fish is unique because it's ninety percent fat in the past people used to dry it and make candles of it so there's fish at all depths. and this is because in the fall when the cruise down the upper layer becomes heavier than deeper layers in the mix there were other discoveries as well for example we have discovered

a large number of living organisms that hadn't been known so far will probably mean nothing to you and myself but they're still discoveries. for instance. they called the bottom so nobody had been able to collect them in the past and a species a sponge that would be. so but. i think the most outstanding discovery were gas hydrates at the bottom of lake baikal . also it was interesting to explore the geological history of the bottom structure we used to think that lake baikal had always been that way about but it's not true that there used to be three separate lakes there. your explanations attract a lot of media attention including television and part of that is because many v.i.p.'s are involved in this work the president. james

cameron just let us speak to them it was mostly an adventure. but did their participation in your project have any practical value for your work. protection fund organize those expeditions one of the projects rather than science was to raise awareness of the problems with a lake among world leaders. so when prime minister putin joined the expedition you get firsthand experience of a bike. so you ask him for money i never ask anyone for money i earn money. but what about the fund then he promised to give you a billion or injected. difference we wanted him to see how people live at lake baikal into perhaps introduce him changes to the legislation you know that following his submersion some funds were allocated for research

a play by karl and i'm very happy about it going president. was the first president ever to do that in lake baikal. and i just couldn't i was prime minister of this opinion yes. he was the first top level official to do that. which didn't used to but will spew bullshit anyway i'm going president said he realized how interconnected we all are of course we are divided by national and initiative borders so i say the selling which is the largest river that flows into a bicultural has its source in mongolia therefore between one goalie handles the sailing effect. i have a good idea died with the prime minister say to the death of a thousand meters just good after a while he asks what are we going back to the surface do we have enough oxygen and you ask him will you give us the money yeah people ask us about that city tell them dad is free it's going back to the surface they have to pay for says me failed

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back to spotlight i love you know of and just the reminder that my guest in the studio today is me how do you sleep in shook the chairman of the board of trustees of the lake baikal protection fund. this must have been what movies in this just sort of we just know saw mr cameron in the film director on the screen he took part in your expeditions as far as i know you have become quite close with him. and he suggested using mirror submersibles other russian technologies to help with the oil spill in the gulf of mexico but first some reason that didn't work out but you do know why what happens. mears are indeed the best and the most reliable submersibles

there for levels of protection they do so the only problem is the need to cure your ship for them other than that it would be easy because they can be quickly. anywhere in the world. i see so you also need a mothership yes you need a mothership so that's one reason but actually even that is not a problem i think the main reason why the idea was rejected is because of some commercial considerations in arrogance probably british petroleum was reluctant to use russian technologies anyway i think they managed to deal with the problem but this is a big lesson for the future we must be aware that commercial considerations may have a very negative effects on our life. you just said they are very safe and i think they are safe if you invite presidents and prime ministers for pleasure rides there must be no danger involved otherwise they would have never allowed you to do that so they are very safe except that when we dive to

the north pole i think the guys who dive there were real heroes because getting back to the surface through an ice whole nation twenty by twenty meters from the depths of four thousand two hundred meters is technically a very difficult thing to do but they did it. was it so difficult you have powerful computers t.v.'s and all that was the problem let me explain radio waves can propagate underwater only have a sound waves. and those have the reach of one point five kilometers at the most. of course we had a team that traveled by helicopter drilled the ice and installed transponders to help the guys down there find the ice hole but still those three kilometers at the bottom when they were diving they were without any radio link. you mean they can be carried away. that's right been carried away by the current. would have been very difficult to find them and it's very sad to leave the man who designed mir said it is unlikely that somebody will be able to repeat that before the arctic ice melts

away did you find any artifacts at the bottom. by call or at the north pole. unfortunately i didn't get to dive in the north pole even though i took part in the expedition but in lake baikal we devoted two dives to looking for artifacts and we did see some things we saw real way cars dating back to the time of second so the bottom six hundred meters below the surface but we weren't able to lift anything to the surface they don't have any mementos it's home from the bottom to you there should be something you know when. you found it so he's got a souvenir carol but it was something i wanted to take from the bottom plate by colleagues as good as a bell from the titanic. you know they say the biggest threat to a bank. back in the sixty's to get us to move made a film about it yes by the way. so this struggle started a very long time ago back in the soviet period and it's not clear who's right and

who's wrong on the one hand you're a businessman so you understand what business is want on the other hand your head of the bike all protection front is it possible to reach a compromise say is it possible to provide other jobs for a thousand people working. like i said earlier the lake has an effective purifying system so it will definitely be able to cope with the pollution that comes from the paper but this doesn't mean that the lake should be used to the benefit of one company there are a huge number of business opportunities we're not using such as tourism and when we see steel pipes were. within twenty kilometers of the mill we know that lake baikal cannot be clean so of course has to go the problem is how to provide jobs for the people because unfortunately it's hard to find a job in eastern siberia. it's a matter of government policy which is so they came up with this crazy idea. there

is this law and. we turn this paper into another. kill two birds. with. first down a plan that causes damage to the environment. tourism you call it a crazy idea but i think that the whole idea of setting up those gambling zones was crazy in the first place so in this context your idea is just following the general trend anyway this way we will be able to shut down the paper mill people. if we manage to make a scene out of moscow which we haven't been able to do so far that's not my job anyway i like your idea. it's far from moscow far from big cities i think it's realistic in addition i'm sure that the airports. today will immediately add new flights to asian countries which will be very helpful because the way it is now all habs are in moscow to get from tomsk to tokyo you have to go through moscow did you know that. you mention tourism how do you attract tourists to buy

call. very remote place. on the other hand people from moscow do fly to the dominican republic. it's a ten hour flight to there is a government program for tourists and recreation is currently in new tourist and recreation zone is being built near. the place we used as a base for the infrastructure is already there next year they will start building hotels convention centers it cetera so little by little this problem attracting tourists is being resolved. but know about logistics yes it takes five and a half hours to fly from. cuba right then there will be tourists from southeast asia japanese companies are already developing a route. or with the capacity of ten thousand tourists a year i'm sure the people from southeast asia who have never seen snow will be

interested in going there just sit to see this no people from singapore taiwan but there are no. there are two places there is a mountain on the eastern shore and there is a slope near the paper is functioning. the only problem is. coming from the paper no need to shut it down you say that. the pollution that comes from the paper. really becomes a mecca for tourists. tourists. their waste into the lake. to cope with all the two has come to the geneva. recently was in geneva where by the way your mirrors are going to die and i asked what do you need submersibles for because the water is very clear and they told me that the water there is clear because of quicksilver it turns out that lake geneva is even more.

efficient it's all about it so that's what they told me. there and anyway the only kind of tourism that exists in the bike area today is people live intense gunfire is said litter the shore so i'm sure that if we have properly organized tourism with rules and proper oversight they will be one of the best places in russia in old russian people want to visit it. another problem another issue. are hydro power plants as far as i know. already built they say the fish is no longer able to swim. and then. they say that the. meter is causing problems to. you when we. separated at six hundred meters and eight hundred meters that means that has been

changing present time since the change of the eco system the biggest problem at the moment is that he should produce to fry fisheries used to be state owns. but now they're being privatized no private business men will ever produce the fry and then release it into the river unless there is a government order that's what we should pay attention to as for the younger river i do not think the situation may have more impact than it has now. there's a government program or a decree regulation saying that level of lake baikal can only change within the range of one meter and that's something that hydro power plants control. and they don't like it because they can generate more profit with bigger fluctuations. logging this issue do you do something about that. i think any changes to lake baikal are bad for the eco system not like other business people. against free enterprise. the

dams were built back in the soviet times. is the same kind of situation as with a paper mill any change to the eco system means that the amount of fish will decrease and in addition this causes problems with people living near the lake so we need to achieve a compromise we need to regulate the situation. i don't get it if the water rises in such a big lake by a meter or even half a meter this means thousands of square kilometers to get flooded. to happen. the water level rises because of those dams brask dam and others. depending on their needs for power generation i think they should pay for it. let them pay if they want to change the water level only because they should pay for it. but if they want to thank you very much for being with us and just to remind that the share today was me sleeping the chairman of the board of trustees of the lake

baikal protection and that said. spotlight will be. will president obama on what's going on and outside the ship and so let's stay on r.t. and take a listen. to. some . of.

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