i am. i and another day of violence vandalism and looting in the u.k. but how we heard the entire story we'll talk about some of those details not to be told. for whom the bell tolls definitely not the u.s. force may be yet to come so could the sum of all fears add up to social unrest here in this country and time soon. thanks. and it's a vision of sixty six years ago a weapon of mass destruction meant to and

a world war i look back at what has been learned since roshumba another song. it's tuesday august ninth and christine for sale in washington d.c. and you are watching our team. well i want to start in london this evening where massive protests have led to widespread rioting and looting and we're just right sixteen thousand police officers just deployed to the streets lawlessness has spiraled out of control over the last couple days a protest there broke out after a twenty nine year old man was apparently shot and killed by police officers if you take a look here you can see just how many clashes between police and rioters have taken place over the last five days an illustration of just how widespread this has become more and it is on the ground in london and she brings us the very latest.

london's burning rioters and police take over the capital for a third night as looters target yet more areas of london in a spiraling cycle of violence police see a lot of streets and treat whole areas as crime scenes with local communities trying to come to terms with the wave of looting and golfing north east and south london in tottenham where it all began the high street is the burned out shell the police the job center are the bags everything that's happening the recession you know there's a lot of anger about that no jobs nothing for the youth. it was sparked by the fatal shooting by police of bass man mark duggan tottenham once aunt says about why and how he was killed by his shooting with just the spark in an exceptionally dry tinder box tottenham and other london boroughs have long been simmering with resentment towards the police towards social injustice and towards unemployment

this is a community which is a fantastic precious i had levels of unemployment then are losing jobs their lives and services youth clubs being closed there is never any excuse for violence the community has attended parks and the war isn't concerns and complaints about the death of mark duggan or the star which has for tottenham has one of the highest unemployment rates in london particularly amongst the young black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched by police than whites and together with hackney brixton walthamstow and lewisham which also saw violence has become a victim of what prime minister david cameron is now calling failed multiculturalism this. powers some of the best nick groups. put these groups. to charge you know the purple

the. streets. english words over races for the reasons. green. something should be done unless these gangs of youths tire of the violence there doesn't seem to be a real reason why this looting should stop it's unlikely the perpetrators have jobs to go to the schools out for the summer london residents clear more on rest on the streets in the coming days the losers aren't making a political point and hardly anyone in these communities supports them but many are saying that there actually is a political point that social integration in parts of the country is deplorable social mobility is nil and the relationship with the police is bad as it's been three years and with cuts in government spending looming over the next few years the situation's very unlikely to get any better nor of its party hackney east london. and you know the streets in some parts of london have a eerie feel of

a war zone with the skeletons of burned out cars and buildings the familiar fire and a continued sense of anger and on rest there are a lot of implications for what is happening and what happens next and i want to go to someone who was not only born and raised in north london he is there right now watching as this unfolds talal rajab a blogger for the urbanite in north london resident and student is here with us now along i know around the world we're seeing pictures of the protests and the riots of cars beings that are on fire of stores being looted but i want to ask you in your opinion what part of the story isn't being told right now. i think firstly the first thing that isn't really being told is what actually started this in the first place what was the catalyst for this action and that was the the killing last thursday of the young guy with a list area called mark duggan by the police many people within this area still

that you know he was unlawfully killed by the police and they initially wanted answers about why this happens the failure of the police to explain why this happened to you so i can spare it to the community i think was the initial catalyst for this event and i missed all the tower cars and the buildings being on fire people that actually took off and that this is all about the wrong guy that was we feel unlawfully killed by the police i think the second of the while it's the second thing that isn't really being told is also the relationship between the police and many people from our generation minister area. you know we've come a long way from the racist phase of the 1980's but what we haven't is how do we trust trust between communities and the police and i think that lack of trust that led us where we are today and i think that's a really good point you bring up the line a lot of people have been drawing comparisons between the riots that we're seeing here this week to what happened back in the eighty's you know there in brixton

untasted in liverpool i know that had to do at least in some part with the race issue is there any can thing that can be said about that we're seeing today in terms of the clashes and turns of multiculturalism in britain i know that you've blogged a little bit about that but i want to get your take here i think from our personal opinion i think there are there are massive differences between what happened in my appeal eighty's and what's happening today in the latino eighteen's it was a real issue of racism within the police towards people from our community to stop and say without you know kind of any explanation in the race is pretty services running into houses you know that. i mean it was institutionalized racism within within his community to base the desperate enough to give the police some kind of benefit they have worked hard to build community relations with racism but what hasn't really been done is creating that kind of while with people who were my

generation of my age and you know teach building up more relationship building a kind of mall what i mean dialogue and hasn't really been done and what happens now is that many kids. cannot get stopped and the last thing they want to go into is going to the police because they don't trust them and that you know that hasn't really been addressed and i think that's one of the underlying issues in the 1980's the real issue of racism today is slightly different and really a good idea there's a lot of it certainly easier said than done i want to go to something that's a little tidbit or something that's really really interesting that we found if you look on amazon dot com and in the u.k. one of the biggest sellers right now is the aluminum baseball bat when guys also you know fine off the handles as well in terms of people ordering them to be delivered to their homes what do you think about this i mean we've just explained what i was saying before people don't trust the police and they can take action into their own hands what we saw yesterday in northeast london was you know shops

owned by a turkish and kurdish i would a generation men chasing away abuse themselves with baseball bats and with knives the machetes they don't rely on the police to protect their shops and protect their businesses they were taking the matter to their own hands which is quite this pressing and quite dangerous thing where you have ventured into groups patrolling the streets and not trusting the police to do their job so you think it's really up to the police here then to sort of reach out especially in light of what we're seeing happen over the last few days you think it's it's in the police officers hands to go ahead and take this step one on one for all of that and on to sort of make this a better relationship. i think we can resist so they will be seen as a benchmark for further progression in community relations between people of my generation under police maybe they can use this example hopefully to learn lessons

from the boston and forget i just stop this from happening in the future wife on the other hand is basically a lock are rightfully anyway a lot of the roots of rights and releases. the issues the real problems the root causes under the carpet and trying to get out of it. i mean there should be heavy handed policing or one but there should be some sort of dialogue or some sort of community relations building on the other hand it's growing i'm scared about what happened so do you think some of these murders actually you know just coming to them in terms of if they are getting arrested real quick tell i want to go to prime minister david cameron he of course recalled parliament from a summer holiday and office spoke out about this he had also to talk about what you've been talking about which is about the role of police take a listen really quick. as ever police officers have shown incredible bravery on our streets in confronting these thugs but it's quite clear that we need more much more

police on our streets and we need even more robust police action this is criminality pure and simple and it has to be confronted and defeated what do you think about that statement i mean are is what the police dealing are dealing with or is it surly thugs you know the have nots just causing trouble. but you can see mix of a few to go to stopping there were legitimate concerns with the initial protests that we saw on saturday that we're after i've been a legitimate cause what we seem to pay what we saw last night is just pure criminality to be honest and i would agree with the prime minister david cameron will not hand out you know those people that are going out and committing those criminal acts of burning local businesses burning cause he should be should face the full force of the court and i fully agree with him well we certainly do appreciate you weighing in specially since you are there on the ground in in north london for us blogger and for the urbanite and north london resident talal verge on all sitting out on the economic issues around the world in those right here at home

you know it's not just the government that's out of money that needs to borrow even more many americans are in the same boat and more harshness of the residents that society to find out how individuals are doing balancing their own books. it's been a lot of discussion in the news about national debt but what about personal debt this week let's talk about that are you in fact i am very much that student loans are. is it worth it are you glad that you went to college and now you've got to pay that back oh yeah i had a blast because anything to go back why do you think so many people allowed themselves to get so far and that is the is the age that we live in everybody sees the person next door that they've caught the brand new car the lifestyle and that's what they want is so much advertising and people just want you to spend money so i

think that's the difference between americans and europeans but you have advertising in europe are you just you don't pay attention to it or. i think we pay less attention to it and we probably think a little more about what we need and what we can afford that's all about banking yes i think so is it worse for you to be interpersonally than it is for a government to be in such. it's much worse for a government that why because we trust the government to do the right thing and they're doing absolutely the opposite of that don't you trust yourself to do the right thing and live within your means i do. such that i can pay off debt is dead it's bad for governs best for individuals and the government should show leadership so they've got to clean it up do we really expect our governments to get its act together if we can't get our act together for small families we can only hold

individuals and the government will step up and make a difference what would it take to get the world's back and out of debt in living within its means in financially environmentally what would it take i think at this point something major is about to happen and that's what it's going to take with us . but what major thing i really don't know but it's going to be a big change the whole world is going to feel us in particular whether or not you're in debt personally the bottom line is we've become a planet of debtors so it might be time for all of us. to rethink what it is to live within our means. all right so living within our means it's certainly a foreign concept to so many people so what will this way of life mean for the future of this country if we continue to borrow both as individuals and as a nation i will be of or climb out of this hole. the executive director of the

independent women's forum and is here now nicole let's talk about a couple different things first of all a lot of big things happened this week including we saw last week the debt ceiling be raised and so always supposed to be good after that we all believe this collective sigh of relief and then all these things that they were threatening happen anyway the stock market went down to its lows prison two thousand and eight we got downgraded put this all together in terms of how we should kind of make sense of us sure well when s. and p. downgraded our stance and poor's which is one of the major rating agencies they actually weren't the first one to do so there were three minor ones who had done so before and one of the minor houses actually has a really good track record of having predicted a lot of the market trends so that being said this is something that i think the tea party has been cautioning about and that a lot of people are concerned about with the debt compromise actually address the underlying issues because that was one of the complaints up in irbil that it actually would not address a lot of structural problems as you said there are still major spending going out

of the compromise really doesn't touch entitlements which are the biggest driver of costs there said with standards and poor's downgrading the u.s. it's really just a matter of time until the other two major rating agencies do so as well so when that happens i think what we're going to see is obviously it's going to cost more of our mighty united states is a bigger risk and when that happens interest rates are going to go up and that that is going to have a huge effect on the economy i was in here today from member who said that at least for the next year interest rates would be stay would stay as they are it. right but that's because he's been holding them artificially low for a really long time i think you know interest rates have to go up anyway and this is the big problem interest rates have been so low and have been held artificially low through various money printing schemes like q.e. two because they if when if and when it interest rates go up it will cost more to borrow money and when it and when that happens americans will not spend as much so

this is i think very much a trend that needs to happen we need to we need to save more we need to not spend as much and we certainly need to borrow less as a people it seems though that you know a lot of individuals in this country as we just saw in the residence story as you know most people i know how a lot of that we're following in the footsteps of this government that is living way beyond its means why do you think it's so common here in this country to have so much debt to be willing to go one hundred two thousand two hundred thousand dollars in debt for example for a college education i think that there has been really from world war two on there's been an office on a consumer culture and there really we have not encouraged a culture of saving in japan and other countries there is a much much higher savings rate and so people have reserves and this is credit has been very cheap credit has been very easy and there have been specific government programs that have tried to make credit available to people who quite frankly should not have had access to to so much credit there were housing assistance

programs that basically subsidized loans for people and really taking a step back what credit is and what what interest rates you pay are based upon your your credit worthiness your risk and so to to give people effort so money that really technically they don't have a likelihood of paying back is is a big problem the cost of college educations has been rising but there is a part that is partly due to that we have been sending so much money to universities and so it's i think there are a lot of factors go. going on and i think it's really interesting that you bring up japan as a country where a culture of savings is sort of preached and followed japan's economy not so hot either right now what you know where should we be looking to get some guidance in terms of how to change and how to operate in this country. well there are things like everywhere is in turmoil right now but i would say that we shouldn't look to

europe as we look to to what is actually working in europe austerity measures and germany have been pretty successful and austerity measures in britain have been successful countries that continue to expand and spend without actually adjusting their adjusting their entitlements programs like sweden actually are facing big problems down the road i guess i just want to get your take on what you see happening next in terms of this economy in terms of today we did see a little bit of a recovery in the stock market actually closed up four hundred seventy points. but we're not out of jail by any means what as we are so early in this week it's been a rollercoaster of couple days but happenstance i don't i think we are as you said we're really we're not out of the woods yet because if and when interest rates to rise. is not allowed to print more money perhaps what's going to happen is that banks will be forced as interest rates rise banks will be forced to increase their capital reserves and so liquidity is going to decrease because they'll just have to

have to sit on more money and americans will have less x. credit this is not hurt the poor most the spinnaker young people most people who who need credit who want to start businesses and i think this is we are we are going to see a continued decline and what we need is we really need to address our long term entitlement problems we need to restructure social care and we need to start restructuring medicare and medicaid and we need to talk about how to scale back some of the obamacare provisions that continue to expand the scope of government because without doing that we still are of the us quite frankly on credit worthy things like that gap between rich and poor at least as of now continues to wind its kind of a scary thing to witness i'm calling executive director of the independent women's forum. well from economic collapse to the debatable collapse of mankind sixty six years ago today president truman and u.s. policymakers made the fateful decision to drop the second of two atomic bombs on japan is of course on hiroshima and nagasaki during the final stages of world war

two so six decades later what have we learned. it was a top secret mission a new weapon of mass destruction scheduled to end a world war and russell gascon box would serve as the necessary evil guiding the atomic bomb to its targets. i sixty six years ago the b. twenty nine bomber known as the enola gay dropped the world's first out of bomb on the japanese city of hiroshima three days later a second bomb was dropped on august saki the bombs would serve as the first human experiment of nuclear warfare setting off radiation environmental and lasting damages long after the dust settled again can by twenty two years old at the time looked back during the sixty fifth anniversary and recall the historic moment we knew what was going to do it was supposed to shorten the war. but we do not know

how old the bomb was explored we did not realize but those were two of the cold war but it was not a normal traveller authority. and the hero's welcome he received when he came home i remember taking a photograph i remember of the white park to tune in. and the first thirty days that were started in honor of the crew of the in all of a glorious moment for the united states a moment intended to save the world from the threat of communism a justified moment in order to make a deal. in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young american. until we completely destroyed but the glorified end to a bloody world war left deep scars on the receiving end more than one hundred thousand japanese civilians were killed in the initial bombing and hundreds of thousands of others affected for decades to come critics point out that even though

it has been sixty six years there has still been no official apology by the u.s. government and there are many people living in this country with a baby live with regret every day and made their own apologies i'm sorry for the region. i'm glad a representative is going there it does not surprise me that there is no apology remorseful americans who experience hiroshima and others who only read about it in their history books came to washington last year to reflect say a prayer and light a candle for those who perished i prefer. the americans are their violence or somehow we shouldn't because it take being exercised by the state that's a savage concept it has no moral sensibility and it has no legal sense ability i put into the late historian howard zinn the nuclear bomb is religion of minds in the us as an easy acceptance of atrocities as

a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress and all inflicted death is evil and some degree or another as happens to be at the upper end of the scale of evil it seems to me and we haven't stopped doing really evil things we were at war with the japanese would have gone as far as they will not have been afraid to use it on us sixty six years later the us remains defiant in its stance on the bombings a necessary evil to end the threat of communism to western civilization but today losing touch with the rest of the world on the legacy they left behind in its decision to use the world's first nuclear bomb. on a civilian population christine for zero or t. washington all right on this anniversary it is a good thing to talk about the legacy that has been left behind and help me do that i want to go to greg mitchell he's the author of many books including the age of

wiki leaks from collateral murder to cable gates and beyond i know greg you also wrote several books about hiroshima and nagasaki so i want to talk to you i want to ask you first what lessons has this country learned from that day for most two days rather. well certainly one lesson is that we continue to have our first use which we had then and we still have today a speed of surprise to most people. the so the lesson that most people seem to take in america policymakers presidents and is that the bombing was warranted and so it's been handed down to us that even though many people will say never again are these new these weapons are too terrible to be used in fact we still have a first strike policy and we continue to justify the two times the weapons have been so that certainly is one of the other lessons we certainly see in the legacy

of nuclear energy and nuclear power all the dangers we have from matt we certainly see that in japan again today so certainly there's been no stigma attached to nuclear energy or nuclear weapons and that's sixty six years later i think that's a good point you brought up when you're talking about what's going on in japan today i know over the weekend there was some commemoration ceremonies honoring those who died in the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki and people there today are kind of putting the pieces together and saying you know through this atomic energy this very same nuclear particles are in fact what was in the fukushima plant which we. you know explode after that tsunami or radiation there at one of its highest levels talk about that sort of very ironic connection well the nuclear bombs are the people who actually survived the bombing have been haunted ever since by the taint of of radiation many people as we know maybe tens of thousands died later

from some form of radiation poisoning cancers and other afflictions even the people who survive that have been concerned about themselves and their children so it's a terrible thing to live with the rest of your life this possible change and we certainly seen it on a mass scale in japan now you know my latest book at all. cover-up it's really about the sixty six year suppression of the real truths about. the human effects of nuclear radiation. what we've had to live with all this time you wrote a cover up i know you also wrote a book talking about the denial that exists and i want to talk about something interesting that just happened here in this country. a book that dealt a lot with world war two and with another bombing the bombing of dresden germany it's actually one of my favorite books slaughterhouse five by kurt vonnegut this book was recently banned from a high school in missouri the late author kurt vonnegut his memorial library actually and you know offering to send free copies but it was banned for creating

quote false conceptions of american history and government that teaches principals contrary to biblical morality and truth so i took great i want to talk to you about this i mean it seems a absurd to me that thought around five would be banned from any school in america and especially for those reasons how does that relate to kind of what you've been writing about regarding hiroshima and nagasaki. as many people know vonnegut's slaughterhouse five it's partly based on his true i experience as even though it's a novel it's even in some form a science fiction novel that spacetime is true life experiences in dresden and so he is kind of one of the world's leading witnesses you might say on that and you know he sense that wrote an article today for the nation of saki which quotes him saying that no matter what justification anyone might make for emotion there's no justification for dogs and out crime and so you know his attitude was very much

against any of the. you know saturation bombing any bombing or simply any targeting of civilians for a deliberate death from a year or so i think that's kind of a dangerous message message i suppose it's i don't know maybe there are some there are some some sex in there too that people don't like but by and large it's probably that message and we should mention the ad that we care video which is why we're not seeing you anymore and i guess just comment right now from what i understand there's been no official apology do you think will thing one an apology by the u.s. government for hiroshima and nagasaki for all the civilians killed. i would doubt very much but we have seen something interesting the last two years. you know as as i noted in my book american presidents and officials. never go to iraq. you know while in office or anything like that there is this thing they probably don't want to says he has that.