i am. i and another day of violence vandalism and looting in the u.k. but how we heard the entire story talk about part of those details that are not yet been called. for whom the bell tolls definitely not the us worst may be yet to come so could the song of all fears add up to social unrest in the u.s. any time soon. thanks

and it's a vision from sixty six years ago a weapon of mass destruction meant to end a world war a look back at what has been learned since the original and nagasaki. it's tuesday august ninth eight pm in washington d.c. i'm christine frizz out there watching our t.v. . well let's start this evening in london where massive protests have led to widespread rioting and looting and we're despite sixteen thousand police officers to deploy to the streets lawlessness has spiraled out of control over the last few days protests there broke out after a twenty nine year old man was apparently shot and killed by police officers and if you take a look here you can see just how many clashes between police and rioters have taken place over the last five days an illustration of just how widespread this has all become argues all more and it is on the ground in london and brings us the latest.

london's burning rioters and police take over the capital for a third night as looters target yet more areas of london in a spiraling cycle of violence a monday night the violence showed few signs of abating in fact it's spread further around the cities are here in east london in hackney where rioters set fire to cars and try to break into more shops meanwhile terrified residents have guns and could do nothing but no cordon police seal off streets and treat whole areas as crime scenes with local communities trying to come to terms with the wave of looting and golfing north east and south london in enfield weight is new to shops making off with whatever they could carry in nearby edmonton a man with found in brixton riots just threw rocks at police and in tottenham where it all began the high street is a burned out shell the police the job center all the banks everything that's

happening the recession you know there's a lot of anger about that no jobs nothing for the youths to do so yet i've. lost ration or you know and it is it is sad that it's it's a poor people that's suffering it was sparked by the fatal shooting by police of bass man mark duggan tottenham once says about why and how he was killed for his shooting with just the spark in an exceptionally dry tinder box tottenham and other london boroughs have long been simmering with resentment towards the police towards social injustice and towards unemployment this is a community which is a fantastic precious i have levels of unemployment then are losing their lives and services with clubs been closed those never any excuse for garments the traditions of tin the parks the war isn't concerns and complaints about the

technical problem with this. question for tottenham has one of the highest unemployment rates in london particularly amongst the young black people are far more likely to be stopped and searched by police and white and together with hackney brixton both of them stay and lewisham which also saw violence has become a victim of what prime minister david cameron is now calling failed multiculturalism this powers are some of the best me groups. these ethnic groups interest. gets are you know they're putting all their. spirits. bigly choice. for the breeze. but. i think. something should be done unless these gangs of youths tire of the violence there doesn't seem to be a real reason why this looting should stop it's unlikely the perpetrators have jobs

to go to the schools out of the summer residence to more on rest on the streets in the coming days they lose it on making a political point and hardly anyone in these communities supports them but many are saying that that actually is a political point that social integration in parts of the country is deplorable social mobility is nil and the relationship with the police it is bad as it's been for years and with cuts in government spending looming over the next few years the situation is very unlikely to get any better no rabbit hackney east london a lot of talk now going on about how long this will continue for and about the security in london in general and it's important also to look not just at the specifics of what we're seeing but also the bigger picture where does the singer stem from and can it all be compared to what some are saying which is to some of the protests we've seen here in the united states joining me now to talk more about this is michael rupert in sebastopol california he is the founder of the collapse

and. hey there michael i want to get your insight on what we're seeing in london because i know that you read previous experience as. a police officer i think with l.a.p.d. now six hundred thousand officers have been sent out in london do you think that this whole situation is being handled in the right way. absolutely not and i'm extremely suspicious. provoker tourism. industry was going to want to hear us and u.k. especially to provoke restarts and i'm really worried that's what's happening the own risk. for quite some time but this is the perils and dispersion of the incidents and especially where the media are playing them on both sides of the cause suggest that they really want to trigger massive civil unrest you say what do you think is behind sort of the spreading of civil unrest that frankly we've seen

over the last few months happen around the world that they is anyone who is in service of the infinite growth monetary paradigm that would be the banks that would be the oil companies that would be the absolutely corrupt financial institutions around the world that are now witnessing a one point four quadrillion dollars riveters bubble collapse that's the day. the banks and the oil companies have an triggering the civil unrest. if it's more profitable to destroy things now in this infinite growth paradigm that is to save or rescue them the way the stock markets are manipulated with price earnings ratios with all the derivatives makes it infinitely more profitable to kill than to say and that's just the reality of the world really isn't interesting and you know i want to kind of get you to harken back a little bit here time working in l.a. i think that you were there eighteen years ago i think i without water spouts out

with what we saw with rodney king going on some people actually comparing that they say they've never seen anything this bad in the u.k. and compare you know these fires these buildings being completely burnt out you know to los angeles back there in the early ninety's and there's a very suspicious pattern to this to be the way to rise to breaking out again this is fact and the reality i mean i've written a book it's in the harvard business school library but this is this is a law book and this is absolutely unchallengeable that programs like going tell pro agitprop garden plot have all existed and all because i'm an expert on this. do you know so in here one of the primary incentives or directives or interests of the establishment in putting down civil unrest in the one nine hundred sixty s. was to prevent any alliance between blacks and whites. and they went to any lengths possible to create tension and that's what i see happening here with the flash mobs

flash mobs in a number of very provocative cases i think it's really interesting that you bring up the issue of race i know that. certainly what we saw in london in the eighty's that had a lot to do with race some people saying that that element is still there but not just race it's also about a group of people that has been sort of held back in a lot of different ways and as a result their frustration has built up top a little bit about that aspect in terms of what you're seeing going on with this as an element of these riots. as as i've been writing about this on collapsing for probably year now with the civil unrest we're seeing around the world that they tried to cancel it is the arab spring is not has nothing to do with arrow black or white this is a generational revolution this is a generation of young people who have no hope we see no future who understand that civilization is collapsing around them even as they speak and they're frustrated

beyond belief i understand that i just think this kind of violence is the wrong way to fight there's a better way to fight the beast and doing that how wins and who loses out of the kind of things that we're seeing right now in london certainly some of the things that we've seen in greece that protested to the over the austerity measures there certainly some violence happening there who are the winners and losers in events like this well i am i am certain because my background also went to intelligence and throughout the covert operations community. and i am an expert on that too these are being used as test runs now to test command control systems performances for larger riots that are going to be coming soon. they want to incite further civil unrest because that will serve as a distraction. from the economic chaos theory somebody had said that even it was

c.n.n. here is a connection between what's going on in the financial world and england so you think that i having these riots in the street that people are forgetting in some way that you know goldman sachs made more money than it's ever made last year while most of main street is suffering you think that the people protesting are going to take the attention off the bank of america has been a large corporations for example that continue to reap the benefits while others suffer it's a diversion from what's really causing. all the suffering around the world right now because war nuclear war is the ultimate diversion i believe that all wars kind of come from a place when there is no place else economically to go to cover up your mistakes and your errors so what do you think you know some of these people who say they're protesting i mean certainly this is what we're seeing in london is a unique case but you brought up the various parts as that have taken place over the last few months these many of these people who are out there in the streets say

that they want to bring attention that they want to fight some of these corporations how can you then say it's the corporations that are behind it. so corporations and the banks is the infinite growth monetary paradigm the only way to fight that is to withdraw are any investments you have in any financial instruments anywhere in the world star eating it because once you become invested in it you want to keep it alive you have an interest in keeping alive that which is killing the rest of the planet so withdraw that's the way to fight now we want to see it as much infrastructure as possible and i've been writing about this for years that we hope for a fast crash of industrial civilization so that we can have some infrastructure left to rebuild with certainly a lot of people out there say those banks should never have been saved in the first place very interesting thoughts there michael rupert founder of the collapse network joining us from california thank you very much well from the economic

issues around the world to those here at home and it's not just the government that's out of money i mean to borrow even more many americans are in the same boat or harshness of their residents are not decided to find out how individuals are doing balancing their own books. there's been a lot of discussion in the news about national debts but what about personal debt this week let's talk about that are you in that i am very much not a student. is it worth it are you glad that you went to college and you got back oh yeah i had a blast cause anything to go back but i think so many people love themselves to get so far and that is the is the age that we live in everybody sees the person next door that they've got a brand new car the lifestyle and that's what they want is so much advertising and

people just want you to spend money so i think that's the difference between americans and europeans but you have advertising in europe are you just you don't pay attention to it or. i think we pay less attention to it and we probably think a little more about what we need and what we can't afford so it's all about thinking yes i think so is it worse for you to be into personally than it is for a government to be in such. it's much worse for a government to be why because we trust the government to do the right thing and they're doing absolutely we opposite of that but don't you trust yourself to do the right thing and live within your means i do. so that i can pay it off debt is dead it's bad for governments bad for individuals and the government should show leadership show they've got to clean it up do we really expect our government to get its act together if we can't get our act together for small families we can

only hope that individuals and the government will step up and make a difference what would it take to get the world's back and out of debt and living within its means and financially environmentally what would it take i think at this point something major is about to happen and that's what it's going to take with us it's inevitable major thing i really don't know but it's going to be a big change in the whole world is going to feel like us in particular whether or not you're in debt personally the bottom line is we've become a planet of debtors so it might be time for all of us. to rethink what it is to live within our means. living within our means certainly a foreign concept to so many people so what will this way of life mean for the future of this country if we continue to borrow both as individuals and as a nation how will we ever climb out of this hole well charlie mcgrath is the

founder of light awake news dot com and comes to us from bozeman montana charlie i know it's been a little while since we've spoken and certainly i think it's fair to say a lot of us were surprised to see you know what happened this week in terms of our financial reputation we were told if we didn't raise our national debt limit that we would witness first of all the crash of the stock market and second that we have our aaa rating downgraded what we did raise the debt ceiling and guess what those two things still happened. yeah absolutely i mean you took the words right out of my mouth better back in a commentary video that's exactly what i said for month after month we had democrats and republicans. we had our vice president with the treasury secretary the federal reserve chairman and even the president came out and said we absolutely cannot lose our aaa status we cannot the fall on our debt we must raise the debt ceiling. we raised the debt ceiling and everybody knew this was going to happen it was it was

a given and the exact things that they used to terrorize us occurred anyway and then the president comes out few days later after six hundred points in one day five hundred in another day and tells the american people you know it doesn't matter what some radio rating agency had to say we're still could triple a credit rating now how come we're not how we're supposed to be afraid of what i think he says before we throw the nation two point four trillion more dollars into debt and then afterwards when they call it out for what it is a destruction of a country the debt we're supposed to discard disregard but that i think is a really interesting point what is said of people who say you know of course we have a few bad day for example today our socks actually recovered in a late surge and closed off four hundred thirty points so maybe we did bad days and now we're bouncing back. but you know if you watch the mainstream business media that's exactly what you're going to hear it's time to jump in with both feet it's

a buying opportunity the fact of the matter is the stock market was taking before the debt ceiling was the vote was passed in congress and signed into law we're overseeing is the reality of what happened to the economy a command economy when the federal reserve is running it and they start on a t.v. thing you remember this stop in june and reality is starting to set in with the economy we spent trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars bailing out a bunch of banks but the unemployment situation is still outrageously high and promises to get only worse fundamentals in the economy are in the take that this is what started the sell off everybody today and granted today we had a big rally day of two hundred plus points on the dow jones everybody was sitting there with bated breath waiting for ben bernanke to become like some kind of magical money fairy and save the day he came out and did you exactly opposite now he came out that they're not going to do anymore do you think they're not going to do any more stimulus and they're going to keep rates low the mainstream business

media did all they could to grab on to be keeping the interest rates at zero products in a period of time and we did see some short covering that have a bit of a rally today but as far as i'm concerned the goal of the federal reserve since two thousand and eight is to have their banking brethren have their debts put on to the back to the people disagree that has been completed so now if there is no need for the reserve to come out and try to stimulate the economy in earnest the just let nature take its course now fortunately we live in an economy that if it isn't manipulated by the federal reserve and it's allowed to take its natural course that's going to be straight through the floor all right then what would you like ben bernanke you to have said saddam in what way do you think he could. i think that a lot of people are probably in your same boat but in terms of ben bernanke the in terms of him diner in terms of a plan for the future of this economy i mean keeping rates low and holding off on another round of quantitative easing seems to me to be you know just sort of

apathetic like i'm just going to say you're like a deer in headlights for a little longer and see what happens there so what's your answer that. well you know a lot going to have all the answers and i don't bet on r.g.p. before that austerity is coming but we're not even looking at potential solution ron paul had a brilliant idea just released here a few weeks ago let's dismiss the one point six trillion dollars that we as americans didn't hold to the federal reserve i mean at the start right there that could have taken care of bumping into the debt ceiling before congress all this out and increased it by two point work so you know we could also look at the cost of war a study that just came out by brown you university shows that the current wars we're engaged in the current wars that we were propagating in prior america will are going to end up costing american people four point four trillion dollars nobody's cut these are cut that could be made without that being the standard of living of any single american but that is that what's going to happen what's going to happen is exact opposite we've elected

a super congress they're going to have the power to implement austerity without having the scrutiny of their constituency and it's going to be rammed down the throats of the american people through a rubber stamp process certainly very difficult to convince a lot of people that some of the solutions being proposed are any different than what we've been seeing over the last few years china grass under a wide awake news dot com has always been on channel well from economic collapse to what some call the collapse of mankind sixty six years ago today president truman and u.s. policy makers made a fateful decision to drop the second of two atomic bombs in japan is of course on hiroshima and nagasaki for in the final stages of world war two so here's the question six decades later what are the after effects what have we learnt to look back it was a top secret mission a new weapon of mass destruction scheduled to end of world war and russell gak in god would serve as the necessary evil guiding the atomic bomb to its targets.

the six years ago the b. twenty nine bomber known as the enola gay brought the world's first out of bomb on the japanese city of hiroshima three days later a second bomb was dropped on august saki the bombs would serve as the first human experiment of nuclear warfare setting off radiation fire mental and lasting damages long after the dust settled again twenty two years old at the time looked back during the sixty fifth anniversary and recall the historic moment we knew what was going to do was supposed to shorten the war. but we do not know how old the bombs exploded were good not realize how close would be to the cold war that was not a normal crowd where thoughts of the time and the hero's welcome he received when he came home i remember taking a photograph and i remember before i parked to tim. and the first thirty days that

were started in honor of the crew of the and all of a glorious moment for the united states a moment intended to save the world from the threat of communism a justified moment yet you did in order to share legatee of wrong in order to save the lives of thousands and thousands of young americans we shall continue to use it until be completely destroyed but the glorified end to a bloody world war left deep scars on the receiving end more than one hundred thousand japanese civilians were killed in the initial bombing and hundreds of thousands of others affected for decades to come critics point out that even though it has been sixty six years there has still been no official apology by the u.s. government and there are many people living in this country who say they live with regret every day and have made their own apology i'm sorry for rejecting it. i'm

glad about a representative is going there it does not surprise me that there is no apology remorseful americans who experience hiroshima and others who only read about it in their history books came to washington last year to reflect say a prayer and light a candle for those who perished i prefer. the american empire their violence is somehow a legitimate because it's like being exercised by the state that's a savage concept that has no moral sensibility and has no legal sensibility i put into the late historian howard zinn the nuclear bombings religion of minds in the us as an easy acceptance of atrocities as a deplorable but necessary price to pay for progress and all inflicted is evil and some degree or another this happens to be the upper end of the scale of evil it seems to me and we haven't stopped doing really evil things we were at war with

the japanese would have gone this far as they would not have been afraid to use it on us sixty six years later the us remains defiant in its stance on the bombings a necessary evil to end the threat of communism to western civilization but today losing touch with the rest of the world on the legacy they left behind in its decision to use the world's first nuclear bomb on a civilian population christine for now r.t.e. washington all right is there going to have decades later what have we learned and well comparisons can be drawn from those days and where we are today i want to bring jacob hornberger president of the future freedom foundation into this discussion let's talk about this jacob what lessons have we learned since the time . well hopefully we've learned that when you engage in a war you follow certain rules of warfare as a civilized country even if the other side is not for example you don't let your

soldiers rape women are raped men you don't permit them to rob and pillage people or execute prisoners and part of this has always been that you don't kill civilians you don't target civilians that's a war crime that's why they indicted william calley during the vietnam war well what happened here was no different in principle. harry truman targeted innocent civilians in these two cities and so hopefully we've learned that whether it's an in sixteen that shoots and then some person or a pilot and drops a bomb on innocent people the principle is the same it's wrong and that's what we need to acknowledge it's so interesting to see some of this old footage and hear some of these old you know sound bite from president truman about the net you know the necessary evil and the need to save so many american lives and therefore you know so many other lives had to be taken what amount that out if you don't do you see any similarities with that attitude and where we are today in the three wars

that we're involved in well for one thing the evidence has come out since the atomic bombing of hiroshima nagasaki that that simply was not the case the japanese were ready to surrender they were already signaling to the soviets that they were ready to surrender all they were asking for was to let the emperor stay in power and our side was saying no we want unconditional surrender which the japanese cannot accept because the emperor was like a deity to them well we ended up accepting the sir unconditional surrender anyway and let them keep their emperor so it was in fact some people are now thinking that it was really the atomic bombing was simply a message to the soviet union that we have this and you better be prepared and there are a lot of people who say that you know educate me i am a product of a public school here in america and the way that we learn. about hiroshima and nagasaki was almost like you know the us is brave the u.s. is far ahead of all the other countries they're smarter they're going well

developed and we should you know showed that it was almost it's the tragic aspect of it certainly wasn't taught in schools what do you think is missing in sort of the narrative as it's developed over the years well they have to do this during war they have to dehumanise the enemy they have to make it look like these are just japs you know the term that they used when really uneasy cities were filled with women and children and many of whom probably opposed their own government during this war but this shows you you know recently they just came out with these secret films that they had of this area right in the aftermath of the bombing the u.s. has been keeping all these films secret which to me is a kind of a good sign to their ashamed of what happened they didn't want to show the world what the horror that they had they had produced and to my knowledge there's still been no sort of official apology for what happened what do you think that will ever see that i would hope so i mean that seems like a good rule close to that because they seem to be acknowledging the pain and

suffering that was produced here which is at least a first step but i think the japanese people would love to hear an apology is a saying hey look it was a brutal war was a horrific war and this was a line that did not need to be crossed and if soldiers die that's what soldiers do in war but to advocate the killing of women and children so that soldiers can live longer there's no way that general patton would have ever tolerated that kind of thing and certainly would be at least a little easier to do now that most of the people responsible for those decisions are long gone i guess another thing that a lot of people hope to see is that our real change in the mentality about war that seems like us still a long way off and i thank you so much for talking with us about the sake of point of president of the future of freedom foundation thank you and that is going to do it for now but for more on the stories we covered that r.t. dot com last usa are check out our you tube page you tube dot com last r.t. america can also follow me on.