eventually he spoke to the former editor of the british newspaper the sun who says that libya was a good p.r. stunt for the british government as he shares his insights into the conflict that's coming up in our interview right now. today i'm talking to kelvin mackenzie former editor of the sun newspaper columnist he's spoken out against the military intervention in libya saying that maybe it's not worth an ounce of british bloods help mackenzie that's a very strong position to take i mean the government reckons that as strikes prevented a massacre in benghazi so he that's worth a few british bombs and so. well first of all we don't know whether there was going to be a massacre a big goals or this was the this was the government push this was cameron's personal speech. in near end of the day that this is libyans fighting libyans and who are we to say who should be running their country after all when i

last looked i didn't notice any of the libyans interfere when the cavaliers and the roundheads took place and revolution or the far as i could see there was nobody from tripoli wondering where in the french revolution this is a revolution quite normal the other side of got guns mysteriously they seem to have rocket propelled grenades they seem to have anti aircraft fire ability these are not people sitting there with the spotted gun leaning over friends saying your. fairly sophisticated if you take the other aspect is that the rebels themselves who i wish well although i feel very unsure about what our relationship with libya is going to be at the end of all this we have al qaeda wandering around. how do we know the the end of the day that they don't end up running the country we don't

know anything about this there is a justification for us doing much more them for no fly zones there is a justification when they blow up a passenger airline over lockerbie killing our people on the ground and killing people for america there was a justification to do what i suspect russia might have done under the same circumstances which you said right we're coming in we're taking you out we're bombing the hell out of the place and then there will be a change of regime and that would be more justifiable than this but libyan rebels did offer to intervene they also may say to intervene do we not that full have a duty to go in and help the mouse no we don't want you to do we owe to a saw aid in a revolution who is trying to grab power to decide what the outcome of that war is going to be i say we have no duty while we are out there wandering around the desert there was a justification it was lockerbie there's no justification i prefer the russian

position i prefer the chinese position i prefer the german position all of which is the siamese we wish you well we're not firing any guns away not sending in any planes what now then if you will for nation that we pull out and need to be in to what could essentially be a bloody civil war it is a bloody civil war that's what happens in civil wars there isn't the point the reason that you have the word war involved in civil war is it's not called civil negotiation it is a fight and in the end i expect the rebels they will win but they don't need to win risking blood than our money what if now that the international community has irreparably full and that with him he actually stays in power and yet but first of all i don't care about the international community and secondly they haven't you know they don't like him but there's lots of people they don't like i mean why they . why don't they go in while you were at libya just go down the road a bit to the congo where literally under

a thousand people have been wiped out why haven't we gone there why don't we go and protect the minority tribe in the zimbabwe water after there's a lot of injustice in the world there may be injustice even in this country who knows but the issue is that there is nothing that can be done the international community is a big fat rolls berry and what happens to the politicians is that they look around them so as they look at this their ratings in the polls and they say you know while i'm not doing very well here the people who vote for me think i'm going to be a big in the chart you know what's in the world to wander around north africa wander around the middle east why do we go into saudi arabia where they've banned march is the king as announce there will be severe repercussions for demonstrations and in the east they started firing everybody why don't we go into the am in why don't we go in everywhere what's your answer to all these questions why don't we go into yemen why don't we go into syria because it's nothing to do with us we have neither the power the firepower nor the will nor will as we learned from iraq where

one hundred and eighty of. good people died and probably forty billion forty or fifty billion quid went out of our coffers which we could possibly even for that profit was up but it. has nothing to do with this things take time and yet we have still going into libya which by you know take has nothing to do with us is because we could have been open about gadhafi you know what it is we're warry a nation trying to relive the old days of the empire cameron keep on shouting out where of all the pink bits gone you know strolling around the middle east you know without a site and without an exit plan we now have to go into these places we have no idea how to get out u.k. institutions played a big role in rehabilitating the gadhafi regime not to say don't go and say that they go said spin in that label media now that the media has. turned on him again and how important is it for the chip to my saying an intervention like this and

indeed regime change will be i think we should divide it up into two points first of all the governments whoever they are in this be going on there for forty odd years we have been licking gadhafi as backside now for for decades whether we supply arms to them or we embrace them like that disgusting piece of blair but actually these people that you know the politicians move either way so want to have we're kissing could off his backside and now we're trying to kick it it's ridiculous so the media do have a role and the role of the media is to expose that we are trading with dictators now so what does the government say they say we have to deal with the reality the political reality we have to we have to trade with these people and then somebody wakes up us over to the weren't so trading with

this problem is that. it is pathetic absolutely pathetic but at the same time every so often the government changes power and when the government changes for how they view changes power so there's no consistency to my mind actually the media have been pretty good they've been pretty good the problem we face now is we're now at war with people and we don't want so we actually have to support our troops we don't have to support ideas like cameron got nothing else to do can't decide whether we should be wandering around all spittle in the u.k. or should be wandering around the battlefields of of the middle east but we have to have to smile at troops so the media gets caught in a difficult position its troops are its readers and are the center of our world. the government they're idiots and the libyan regime a disgusting so the media gets caught in a very difficult area and you were the most notorious editor of the u.k.'s most

notorious tabloids very kind of you to put it why do you rate fat that it with tabloid culture essentially that made wars like this easier to sell and popularized by the british public. eye except the first bit of the tourist and except to the sun did spectacularly undermine excellent editorship i think though that they didn't actually make any difference to government policy i mean you know. the issue about the media is it's like the sea it's always with us you've simply got to put up with it if you're a policymaker and all right there will be a lot of aggravation about libya now i mean it started off all right we thought we were going to blow it blow them all out of the water we'd all be home for having having a cup of tea at the ritz bar past four so the nightmare is is is still to be faced in my view but i don't think it's fair to blame the media for it i mean i'm personally massively hostile to the libyan infraction mainly because i saw

wired and in iraq these things take peculiar which you can't really work out into the actually nor guess. nevertheless. you know i'm very much in favor of our soldiers and so you get toward a but the media restrung go i think you're right about that that the media stronger because of what happened in iraq i mean the trouble was that a million people marched against the iraq war blair blair was not telling his cabinet and the things will be revealed now because he was scared they were going to leak so basically they were deciding it is though you and i were having a nice chat another glass of so we said oh yes it would be it would you think given the office he was is a bit of a go yes good idea tom and then they went in right so the million were ignored people will say that the government various governments know nothing from the iraq and afghanistan but do you think what in fact what who learnt was how to sell another military intervention no absolutely the issue is quite clear. we didn't

want iraq it was lumbered on us by a vainglorious prime minister. cameron is now wandering around in the desert of to brook trying to work out to get out he would look in the idiot at the end of all this but the but the underlying issue is with libya there have been no deaths on our side just why if crashed and god forbid we lose ten people all all by the way. those heat seeking missiles which you can basically just walk in and according to today's papers. if that happened we saw i've been blown out of the sky i don't even think about it so the issue is we haven't dropped any blood yeah we've dropped tens of millions of pounds which we haven't gotten but not one single one of people is as died where that happens the game and the p.r. game will change politically what does someone like david cameron gain from waging

a war in africa a military of what cameron saw what was in it for him or for a country he's a pro for he is unfortunately a professional bleeding. and so he's one of those guys who rush around endlessly he's a total political animal by the way rush around endlessly saying something must be done the answer is something mustn't be done this like when you're about to send off a really stinking is. on the night before to your boss right. don't send a mile go to bed wake up in the morning re read it just so i would it was a good idea when the camera hasn't got that ability basically i think he's gone but he's gone mad very early he's only been in power a year. as well as blair blair was so if you follow the end of it. my suspicion is that the pressure is just driven in kelvin mackenzie thank you very

much. this is a cable from the u.s. embassy in colombo to talk about here an apparent june seventh incident of extrajudicial executions the military reported to the press that on that day that killed nine guerrillas and the best occasion by instructs young couldn't you know and the strongly suggest however that the nine were executed by the army and then dressed in military fatigues. explain how you know this kind of phenomenon where bodies are dressed up as guerrillas and presented as killed in action and this and this idea that you need to produce these actually encouraged paramilitary collaboration this is a cia document central intelligence agency they knew about these activities they

knew they were happening they knew about links to paramilitary groups and yet u.s. aid continued to flow. british police are given a green light to use tough tactics against rioters of violence spread throughout

the u.k. government social policies and plain british media. america's financial woes could see its crowded as the world's top economy pass to china in less than four years investors are expected to turn more often to asian markets. the economic turmoil of the u.s. and europe. russian officials turned a blind eye to complaints about peta follow soltz members of the public road vigilante krug sexual predators current sex crimes laws a slammed for being too soft and fighting to keep the threat from the country's playground. it's called of the nine pm with you now is the school very good evening you know it was good to see you and flying along moscow tonight was thought about exact a ride through time has touched on in the russian couple mommy machines cabin that's what they wear on the road and they fly you know and that's the question but they're tell you what they're being chucked into the river left right and center

one hundred bytes loved it we'll see did we just have always been. your company this is sports today plenty ahead. this hour. gearing up with the lead us through twenty twelve qualifiers kicking off in under a month's time. started on are nearing the end of the last friendly with serbia. no. last two time defending champion andy murray crushes i'll become of the masters in his opening match against kevin anderson. is it a bird is it a plane no it's blue tie taking off in the russian capital for the second time not a lot of stress free flying it must be said but we'll see it spills cold. let's get going with the latest from russia's final warm up before next month's

euro two thousand and twelve qualifier serbia the side in one will is the school work which are drawing to eighty three minutes on the clock pavol. netting eight minutes after the break a wet slippery surface of the city's locker stadium not making it too easy for either side to play it for the football because charges then take on muscle donia on the republican party front european qualifiers start off next. friendly with the netherlands meanwhile has been postponed this evening because of the riots in london but plenty other big games to keep an eye out for including brazil's friendly with germany in stuttgart this will be the brazilians first much since their shock america departure at the hands of part of why in the quarterfinals. lucas david louise missed so i threw suspension and injury respectively in their absence so will be in youngsters neymar so both some

top players on both in the science of europe's top clubs nineteen year old neymar saying he's aiming to leave the comp but disappointing to find this. and it was a very difficult copa america tournament and unfortunately we. know we must take the good experiences we have made it with us. to develop things further in the coming games and i have to develop myself to. get there way some you will etc will become the highest paid player in the world the russian premier league side saying they will pay the cameroonian quite extraordinary. five hundred eighty thousand dollars a week contrast to christie and rinaldo and he only earns three hundred fifty thousand per week interest has been strongly linked with a move for the past him of kolob officials not denying up there willing to pay a fifty thousand dollars for the four time african player of the year meanwhile another target shaaban house gone on record to say he won't be leaving arsenal for

southern russia spite feelings only. thing go our store both really really wish those and hope we're going to. be a little stronger and it's worth the murray's competitive preparations for this month's us open grand slam so for a blow on tuesday the scot bowing out its all the rogers cup in montreal following defeat to south african kevin understand in the opening match of their tournaments murray's less heralded opponent knocking off the two time defending champion in straight sets dropping just a single game in the second six three six one how it ended it is marie's third consecutive opening round loss in american masters events this year following surprise defeats in indian wells and miami of always put very well here and. stored both really really which doesn't.

thing going on so richard see a feed through to the next stage in canada after being german florian meyer ten seated french powering to a six three six two victory to progress into the last thirty two for a brazilian. in the women's game kim clijsters hard to enter rogers cup run before truly began the world number two stuffing abdominal injury in her first rowing clash with judging in toronto the belgian since she felt the injury flared up during the warm up but that didn't stop the twenty two all taking the first set six three. two one in the second said when she called it a day after being on the able to stand the pain a lucky break there for a chinese qualifier g. with playing it safe ahead of the u.s. open a third straight title is the prize up for grabs in new york from august twenty ninth if she stays injury free. i just call that just getting worse and worse and i tried to not call the trainer out. there so what would you know we can do much more

than the tape that you already have. something to just try to relieve the pain of. really help. the crucial was that you know the only probably option was to retire. were lower sixteen on the eve of rituals in dominant form though against chinese. six one six one the straight sets scored on czech qualifier is up next for the serb who seeming for a second largest pop since to close. the world's top golfers are busy gearing up off the atlanta athletic club for this week's p.g.a. championship tiger woods one of them after arriving in georgia on cheese day their four time winner warming up at the driving range before teeing off a friend arjun atwal woods husband want to major since the awaits us open on an especially open field it's going to be extra tough for the five year old who previously top the sport's ranks for six hundred twenty three weeks current u.s.

open champion remarked to roy heads into the final major of the season fee for. and i felt champions green bay have had to defend their preparations ahead of the new american football season so poor training sessions among some of the criticism leveled at the holders quarterback aren't rogers channeling former n.b.a. star all in iris and when asked just what is going on practice. practice. time out again. practice. really concerned. you know. we're just going to clean things up a little bit. moscow was the place to be this week if you like your sport to come with a few laughs the russian capital playing host that red bull flugtag event for the second time in three years robert downey and went along to find out more.

they can barely overcome gravity. it will hardly be safe to call for a little jog which is jumping light day actually floyd. landis' belly it is creative and it generates a lot of fun with the disciplines presenting their homemade going machines and putting them through their paces which have to be unsinkable and they're not allowed to have any kind of engine before the answers are judged by the full required to rear distance of the flight creativity and showmanship well it's worth mentioning that the last two books usually dominate the first one. read booth looked at he had the russian capital for the second time proving to be extremely attractive for muscovites with nearly one hundred thousand spectators watching the show one of them going to the belly it's the very first time we've

taken porridge in the uk event and i'm just. and that there are so many spectators there is such a lot of confusing wouldn't expect it to be so exciting it's been an awesome experience. he's only part of the action here as some followers of looked out have plenty of motivation well for others it's a way of life but we do care about the result if we fail to take first place we will try again next time otherwise we'll just be resting on our laurels. we've met so many puta full intelligent and interesting people here that's why we're going to take part in fluke documents every single yeah that's for sure. when it comes to flicked up a perfectly the flight. has no limits some strive just for the feeling of taking off some do their best. with busier gratian but this time around pretty busy distance loves are not usually known to fly but do seem to be

boosted by barrels of beer. this would just bring in victory to the feasting team from the sultan russian city over stuff. we were aiming to surprise both the spectators and our competitors and of course all those who supported us but even damaged our award by holding it too tight. and finally regarding the once boring component of the event the furthest distance flown was achieved by the team from. their self-made airplanes flight. nineteen mirrors the world record is a considerably longer sixty three meters. r.t. . great fun out by all is all yours for foul weather is coming up right now.

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