sneakers from stores just feeling things they're good they're they're attacking the police this is not so you know he's all stars and he has bad people if you want to blame the government for cutting back but it could be i'm not just like blaming the gun look at asia center this possibility you know it's terrible stuff i've seen on the possibility of the government cutting back on sand that is that is the straw what it was is an inequality why can't we consider the opposite possibility that it's government or just to begin with that that helped lead to this that was the government and the liberal dri the government then why are they rioting in sweden the government largess is much like large let it go you know you want a place at a time when water just like why can't the norway does because of the french government there was an entitlement sturman title meant society they all have greater intitled in societies in the u.k. well those countries and visually these are right here because they're adults who have never had the. recent greece that's a perfectly terrible grief ok we have an energy users are that i've never had to work for anything and now they've never been out of work for anything why did you

think i'm going to get a child not justify this who did this and i'm saying this is a symptom of a societal ills as a u.k. has and we have as a result of reaganomics and patronage that spirit has created under massive mastery as you would call it the united states and these people feel entitled they run around there they riot in the they lose because they're evil and it's no it's ok mad world this is they're just criminals they because they're criminal people moralism run amok there is use there is there a the central anybody all right i got it i got it there had a bad people ok we'll be back with more from daniel and jamie right after birth.

let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think for a moment even on well. we never got that says they're going to keep him safe get ready because you give them your freedom. we're back to the liberal weekly debate here on the panel tonight daniel helper the deputy and i added the whately standard jamie weinstein senior editor of the daily caller still a lot more to talk about what one of the things that we haven't had a chance to get to is the s. and p.

downgrade that bounced off at the first second and never really got into it after the debt limit debate you might remember john boehner said that's when you look at the list this final agreement that we came to with the white house and i got ninety eight percent of what i wanted i'm pretty happy last friday has simply responded by giving this reason for the downgrade this is a quote page four we have changed our assumption because the majority of republicans in congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenue from a position we believe congress reinforced by passing the act so how is this not a tea party downgrade again. republicans were the only two already called out by name in the us will probably work no problem the next sentence there it points out that the key to getting our fiscal situation a long term is entitled it's a c.s. and the s. and p. as well as every objective observer knows that entitle need to be reform and that hasn't been done the fact of the matter is the republicans are wholly no praise

here you are if you want to fund entitlements all you have is usury lift the social security taxes that he said all gramma's for and this is very simple if the republicans got their opening offer the tea party republicans with their opening offer there would have been no downgrade if president barack obama he's over is going to go get his opening offer which was no cuts there were going to be a downgrade plain and simple you got a crystal ball here you know because it wasn't big enough the tea party's opening. offer was going to be big enough for what they wanted it would reform entitlements paul ryan's plan you can say is the opening offer that we gave back in april and president obama's offer to reason debt ceiling was no cuts that would be even worse if they would be damned if i did that the guy who's the chairman of mcgraw hill which own standard and poor's was worked in the bush white house were composed transition team you think even this was because they don't like obama this and i don't know i just i don't i don't i think there is merit i think i think if he had been on the obama transition team but right now republicans definitely want the

same. i think i thought should i think it i think from the s. and p. report itself we should draw very little except it should serve as an impetus look the crib the way credit works for countries is different than the way credit works for you would be if i get a downgrade and the bank won't lend to me and i won't get a loan and the bank doesn't really need to go on the difference of government loans and government debt is that the united states is a the biggest. the biggest borrower india has the most b. as the most money so i think anybody who wants that people want to lend money to the u.s. because. the u.s. pays it back and because the u.s. is a safe bet let's check in with zain if something same as as it is for you and me now with that said this should serve with impetus to go ahead and to get our financial house back in order and to do the things that we've got we had a lot of damage done by reagan to bush so you know to go in twelve trillion dollars up because he was here as a here's what standard and poor's themselves the president's had of course it. in

general we think of the fiscal rules like they use just to minister the flexibility of the government to respond even if you had a balanced budget amendment you would have some questions about its credibility and it would just reduce your flexibility in a crisis so you know the balanced budget amendment and the grover norquist pledge but this is not this is why we shouldn't listen this is why they downgraded this is why we should first of all we don't have a bone balanced budget and you know what is downgrading because of grover norquist pledge well that's what the republicans that's what you guys are following i mean how can anybody take republican ideas so no to the balanced budget and if you're a creditor it's not good but that doesn't mean it's not good for the person who has the bounce but remember it's not just like for you you expand your credit by taking out loans having a balanced budget paying them back three of us you already have all of us cutting up all of our credit cards and saying well never had already inside a car or credit that's gray's matter i don't i did is not going to order you ready i don't agree with about looking at it also i don't think i think it's a it was

a silly thing to go down because we have to happen now and it would take a long time to get to the debt ceiling but equally slightly but we're not going to pay for things we are the most important thing tom is that the title means were the key factor as i said is the key to getting our our long term fiscal picture in order which is the keeper of the s. and p. to the great us and who talks about entitlements but democrats talk about it by not wanting to touch them republicans talk about it and i drastically what either of them or as actually have been quite willing to fix since i was for example the poison pill that the republicans put in during the bush administration of dollars shalt not negotiate drug prices so while the v.a. can buy aspirin for a penny a tablet the medicare has my ask this is a result of him seriously part of it there is no way that the six hundred twenty much ill your knowledge structural change yeah i know you guys know you guys want to do a whole lot is going to turn into all your save your seventy five years or we answer you have already gotten tired of us are over knows that in order to get us and that's what i simply is saying in order to get your long term fiscal situation and

as you. so explicitly not endorsing it but as much as you appear to it as an excuse you did go to somebody off the record have said that if paul ryan's plan were were picked out that it would have passed i've already said that i think that record i think it no but also if you do the money they said you're fortunate actually i wonder why we are why we are there why are we arguing the wonders of s. and p. after they read it i was at work i'd read earlier times like i repeat my grandfather you are a great exit routes all the various of he has no credibility i want to be able to point out if there will be on the ball now is my personal credibility a solution to this is supposed to come out of the gang of twelve right that's right i mean nobody wants to call the gang of twelve no i can't solution to this it's a minor tweak to the solutions and actually i'll agree with that you know this is terrible this is the stage to the degree that the gang of twelve so-called super committee harry reid has named his democratic picks john kerry pretty liberal guy patty murray. fairly liberal you know i used to live up to her neck of the woods i don't know her personally max baucus he's the guy who had people arrested for

standing up and saying that they wanted single payer health care in front of his committee my recollection serves me right up here to disrupt in a committee right. on the other hand on the republican side the these in the senate we have from from what's his name a turtle. of a curve yeah. you got to got a little you know mr cutlets room is forgotten he has appointed jon kyl pat toomey and rob portman two out of three of the tea partiers all three of them have signed grover norquist pledge never again to raise taxes on the in the house side we have john boehner has pointed to penciling fred upton and dave camp all three of them tea partiers are two of the three tea partiers there was a time when fred upton was actually fairly moderate and they have all signed grover's pledge so you've got six republicans have signed a pledge not to raise taxes and what's supposed to come out of those to make it work is some tax increases and some revenue cuts how is this going to worry easy i

mean easy it was a c. . this committee by the way the one point five trillion i think it makes it a joke because it makes the makes the committee look like they're doing something when we need to cut way more but it's easy to do what you just said you lower rates and remove holes that increases revenues without reason package that was undoable that was that was the deal the boehner and the president all right to work in and i would have more and that's doable and eric cantor came to sir john boehner with a back and said you do that buddy you're eminently doable look you get companies like general electric played paid tax that they should be paying you not the taxes that they are paying which are done then then that's right i believe that people that are obligated to should pay taxes but i also believe that the rate should be lowered i don't know and i don't think if i take my daughter lives any republicans on the hill would disagree with that statement either and i think i actually think the republicans picked a pretty serious people in the house for three committee chairs so they have the respect of their caucus the inhabitants of picked the equivalent on the republican side of bernie sanders on the democrats that's and the democrats ludicrous my you

know your democrats pick of patty murray by the way democrats pick up patty murray is is i think it's cynical and patty murray is the head of the democratic senatorial campaign committee she's also a moderate democrat well she came here she is you know on the air in seattle i hear all the criticisms of patty murray patty murray is this is this might be good for campaigning for the d c c this is not good for her any sort is not really matter and the reason it was by the way are asking for her we have not to give up her spot at the c.c. or not be on the committee yeah well we'll see we have a minute left in this topic and then we got to go to court for sixty three percent of america this is a new c.n.n. poll just came out sixty three percent of americans want this committee to increase taxes on business and i income americans sixty four percent oppose any cuts whatsoever to medicare or social security and for those republicans who say we need to broaden the tax base of those have more middle class people eighty seven percent oppose increasing taxes on middle and low income americans so any of these things

going to have. but it makes no sense i mean a crime if they want to if they want have a country that goes bankrupt and can't have any medicare or social security in the long term and that's a great policy route to go but that that's not the way to save this country and save our fiscal future but most people don't want cuts i mean this is not this is not any surprise that it's an unpopular position to take cuts that's the gutsiness of the paul ryan plan that's the guts and one of the core is they're saying maybe with cuts is that's where we're at what her sides are you have to go because we want to it's no surprise that these are popular hopefully people will also understand as they understand wisconsin we have to go to court for a last question quick for a bang bang goes the way way. a man shot his i should be laughing shot his penis off when he stuck his girlfriend's pink pistol in his pants and went off course arizona has open carry laws hence why the guy figured he could stuff a gun in his pants and walk around so here's the question. what's the upside no pun intended of this republican open carry law is that

a boom for the steel jockstrap industry is it the perfect answer for republicans who oppose birth control what are you guys the social darwinism weeding out of idiots ok it was the darwin award everybody knows that people carry guns for protection tom and this is a good way of protection a moral freebees girlfriend is not going to be sticking them up any time soon. gentlemen jamie daigle thank you both very creative a. crazy alert little over ten years and there's a new republican rock star republicans have a new x. wheeler to rock the vote and it's mike huckabee as the candidates to send out i offer a big weekend huckabee will be on hand as well to lend his musical talents to the

field. first huckabee will be jamming with gospel singer herman cain a duet that can discourage described as and is storage event then huckabee will go on stage with rick santorum later in the week for playing one last gig at an event for example and he's busy or the bottom number has a huckabee plans to release his i would g m's in an album soon titled the dark side of the g.o.p. jamming with those long haul folds and of course the mr rogers the republican party tim plenty. just fyi. it's the good the bad and the very crowed channel lee oddly good losing up yesterday in a single mother from st louis had a message for wall street you're all fired that's right when banks looked up at the sky yesterday in manhattan they saw a plane flying overhead with

a banner thanks for the downgrade you should all be fired apparently now the first one to fly the plane over washington d.c. is a message to congress who couldn't do it because their airspace restrictions so a second choice was wall street personally i think wall street should have been our first choice but either way nice move the bat wholefoods as muslims around the world recognize ramadan last week whole foods promoted a new line of frozen foods that are whole all certified is to muslims like like kosher is to jews offering free samples to people who eat a whole lot for religious reasons or just to try it immediately islamophobia went nuts over the idea of selling food that muslims can actually eat during ramadan and rather than taking a principled stand whole foods kate company immediately sent an e-mail out to all of its u.s. stores reading it is probably that we don't specifically call it a promote ramadan we should not highlight ramadan in signage in our stores as that could be considered celebrating or promote ramadan so does that mean whole foods

won't promote or scola brit christmas when it comes around i doubt it but if so their executives should prepare and now for the backlash when fox news does their annual christmas crusade. and the very very ugly tom delay the former republican house majority leader turned c. list celebrity on dancing with the stars turned convicted felon had some advice for house republicans over the weekend all about hostage taking next month funding for the government runs out any another government shutdown could hang in the balance giving republicans another chance only this time to take eight hundred thousand furloughed federal workers hostage and delay things that's exactly what they should do take a look at anything should proceed general as the c.r. runs out next month i think it could be what's going to go down they're going to face another shutdown. this time leave the literature. kill the.

bill that you're right. i guess we can add being an accomplice to hostage taking to tom de lay's rap sheet not sure what delay is praying for more government shutdown or his appeal on money laundering charges that could land him in the slammer for three years both are very very ugly. coming up is it possible if our so called news is actually a bastion of socialism but want to know i'll lay it all out in tonight's daily take .

this number given that we had an apartheid regime right. i think the bombing eatable imported oil. we never got the same. sleeping safe. because of the freedoms. the number one movie at the box office this week his rise of the planet of the apes a prequel to the planet of the apes movie franchise in the late seventy's or as fox news described it a trojan horse for a leftist ideology. so peta is going ape over apes yet this stupid

animal rights group gave a seal of approval which i hope wasn't made from real seals to the right to the flick rise of the planet of the apes live well no real beast were used all the simians were simulated but most important apes were the heroes and humans are the villains that point that's exactly how liberals think and guess what the number two movie in the box office is this week the smurfs smurfs or blue democrats or blue is going to be another liberal propaganda film right well perhaps my guest thinks so andrew klavan joins me now from new york he's an author and screenwriter wrote the two the books for two bestselling films true crime and don't say a word and he thinks conservatives are discriminated against in hollywood and you're welcome thanks it's clear from the what leave my apologies so thanks for correcting me so as a guy who's trying to explain to me on your website how flowers want flat screen t.v.'s instead of bees to pollinate and i'm guessing you've got

a really brilliant expert explanation for why the conservative movies like apples shrugged and surveillance the undefeated were such flops. well the thing is that there are so few of them that when they flop it's kind of a bad thing listen you know i in preparation for coming here i watched a couple of your shows and the fact is you're such a left wing maniac that i'm willing to concede that hollywood may in fact skewed to the right of you but it actually does skew to the left of it just about all the rest of us and i you know it's not even really in dispute very few people would dispute it there's a prejudice toward democrat type policies in movies you know you can watch a movie like the new matt damon film the adjustment bureau and the republicans are represented as quote unquote dicks you'll never see the opposite film they just don't make it and i think you know it's true that the right has a hard time mustering a good film so far although i thought three hundred was

a great one but but you know when i think lenin in place was made a bunch of good ones that basically had sort of messages i mean the whole dirty harry branch of the president you know but andrew is a long time ago it was but i mean they continually bruce willis is making basically the same movie over and over again but is it possible you know i'll concede probably the majority of people making films in hollywood are progressives or liberals or democrats just like we know from you know reasonable research that's been done the the more educated you are if you have a master's degree or a ph d. you're bad basseley more likely to be a democrat then if you just have a high school diploma or no high school diploma you're far more likely to be republican couldn't it just be investors a bit smarter people are progressives and creative people are progressive and you get a lot of knowledge. tom i never thought of that that must be it you know you sound just like the guys who used to say that you know that black people couldn't manage baseball teams the thing is once you leave people out of home i know it's not like

that because i'm not saying that nobody but that's the it's the same logic once you make an unwelcome place for people they don't come you know and so they go off into other fields and we don't have a lot of people trying to get into hollywood or the people who are there are scared they're scared of losing their jobs they're scared of this is this is in itself a reason and here i mean the light the black list in hollywood was in the fifty's the accusation that hollywood was a cam is bashing were in the one nine hundred thirty s. but hollywood was a communist past and i but the blacklist is going on now i mean it really is it's just it's just as if it you know it's simply a perfectly legitimate example it's as if you were a woman trying to sell the screenplay and you walked into a room and the guy started making sexist filthy remarks when you were a conservative republican going into a room trying to sell your wares you were very frequently. faced with guys and how if you had to say settle your wares to well you know for one thing after i became

very very outspoken i was started to have a really much harder time getting into rooms and people would say you know he's too much of a you know wild card he's too much i don't want to know that that might just be politics i mean there are people on the left to go off the edge and all of a sudden we don't see them in movies for quite some time. well i don't know sean penn consorts with the left wing dictators and he gets an oscar and by the way he deserved the oscar i have no problem with there being nothing films were left wing actors and writers i just think that there is a kind of movement to shut things down you know i think that when you have a good film like a good mini series like the kennedys and joel surnow has to face all this pressure that hasn't kicked off a mainstream cable to station into a small people status because the movie was ahead of the path i'm on what's that this was the it was a very i thought it was very i thought it was very proclivity you could've watched it it was a very michael i thought and bobby kennedy came off as a saint it was not at all his job and it was just that you know the same thing is

true of the path the nine eleven that's been banned from d.v.d. by you that is the company that just doesn't happen to me and it's if it's a fascinating topic we'll have to pursue it further at another time thanks for dropping by. it's a pleasure thanks for having me i appreciate it thank you. as you know fox and called news is now a socialist propaganda outfit i'm serious earlier this week fox news talking head nagging caylee probably return to the airwaves after taking a few months off to have a baby that's when something incredible happens fox news star is spouse in the virtues of european democratic socialism take a look. i want you to know that the united states is the only country in the

advanced world that doesn't allow pages that doesn't require paid maternity leave if anything in it i have a dark ages when it comes to maternity leave and what is it about getting pregnant carrying a baby and nine months but you don't think there's a few months off so bonding and recovery can take place. there you have it meghan kelly it's actually a fairly smart person to advocate in an attorney advocating for european socialism right here in america in the form of paid maternity leave so even the most conservatives would you cry as an extension of the nanny state so how was it that kelly was able to enjoy such a socialist comfort of paid maternity leave here in dark ages america. now i happen to work for a nice employer that give me a paid maternity leave i think with my baby and my employer you know. because fox news gave it to or that's right it appears fox so-called news gets it they get that social democracies in europe have some really really good ideas like three months of mandatory paid maternity leave six weeks of million of mandatory paid vacation

ever known as the bill reilly and sean hannity and the rest of the republican mouthpieces of fox news seem to get a lot of educations and so often their shows have fill in hosts actually i don't i don't watch them any i'm in finland and france companies are forced to give their employees thirty days of paid vacation a year plus paid holidays in norway sweden and germany workers get at least twenty four paid vacation days here in the united states over there the units right here in the united states and how much paid vacation days workers are required to have their oh unless you work at fox so-called news where they must rip the relation policy straight from the european socialists to one of meghan telling the rest of the gang also get free healthcare plans after all the one thing that all the social democracies in europe have in common is universal health care and i bet just like europe thought so called news has universal health care and their full time employees as well and here's another little secret most of the production crew is

over at fox news are yes what unionized that's right fox news actually supports unions despite what you may hear there talking heads say on the airways one of those unionized cameramen and sound engineers get to sit a rupert murdoch's corporate board like the socialized nations of germany austria the netherlands italy norway sweden and denmark where union workers are required of were union workers are required by law to make up as much as af of all the members of major corporate boards. if not they will be soon made you see it once you cut through all the right wing noise in the socialist accusations thrown at president obama and democrats by fox so-called news talking heads it becomes pretty clear fox news is a bunch of pinko commies after all they make their money using our commons our cable and airwaves and air rights away for all three million or pinko commies that's it but still it pinko commies so the question has to be why is european

socialism good for those who work for rupert murdoch but not for everyone else. that's the big picture for tonight for more information on the stories we covered visit our website the thom hartmann dot com for speech dot org dot com also check out our show you tube channels are going to thom hartmann dot com this entire show is also available as a free video archive as i tunes and we have a free tom hartman i phone and i pad app in the app store you can send us feedback at twitter at underscore our on facebook at tell members or on our blogs message boards and telephone comment lines at tom hartman. and don't forget to knock or see begins with you get out there show up participate tag your it will see them.

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