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we've got to. the biggest issues get the human voice face to face with the news makers. welcome the loner show where you get the real headlines with none of them or see or can live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take another look at the riots in london but as prime minister david cameron is now authorized the use of water cannons and rubber bullets to stop the rioters but what about what's causing this in the first place then the names of most of the super committee members have now been released what should we really be focusing less on these twelve politicians and who they are and more about the system that allows all of them to be bought or to speak to an experience of the young turks about our money fuelled politics and how we the people lose out and finally the debate over using your real name on social networks as google plus and facebook both now require versus pseudonyms are going to speak
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to one person who's fighting back against google plus with a new website called my name is me we're going to have all of that and more free to night including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to make its. all right so even though the next presidential election is still almost a year and a half away the media is obviously getting excited super excited in fact because this weekend we'll get the results of the ames straw poll at iowa. only three days until this fall poll in ames iowa the campaign kickoff will be there i will hold the first contest in the presidential campaign thursday's debate comes just days before the crucial straw poll in ames iowa right michele bachmann is doing all she can to draw opponents to supporters to ames etc she bring it in as you saw country music legend rayna travis. now listen. not only do i also find
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a bunch of crazy republicans none of whom voters like all trying to explain why they should be president of the united states interesting but it's also important to pay attention to some of these people because you never know one of them could actually end up being the next president of the united states and that kind of a big deal what i have a problem with is that while the mainstream media will be sure to go crazy over iowa and the results of this poll they don't bother to sit back think for a second and ask why are you what i mean really it's a little ridiculous that this one state has so much influence in presidential politics the entire population of iowa is just about over three million people the entire population of the us just over three hundred million people three hundred eight million seven hundred forty five thousand five hundred and thirty eight to be exact actually that's all according to the latest census so you want to take a look at more demographics in the state i want is a ninety two percent white ninety two percent meanwhile the total u.s.
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population seventy two percent white sixteen point three percent hispanic and twelve point six twelve point six percent black now i was hispanic population is only five percent there are black population only two point nine percent so just take a moment to let those figures settle and then you tell me is the state of iowa really seem like a good representation of america as a whole i don't think so and yes it's a swing state but the conservative population in iowa is extremely conservative so much so that republican presidential candidates actually have to play up their conservative credentials which probably means well that they live out a king's just to get on the good side of republican voters there so somebody somebody again please tell me why i was straw poll is treated like the most important measuring stick for where presidential campaign can go somebody please tell me why we don't just change the system to get other first state that's more a percentage of the entire country focus more of our attention their butt. i guess
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that looking at a few of those statistics putting two and two together realizing that this is really all a big charade and questioning why we give i was so much importance now it's just beyond the mainstream media they'd rather just follow orders salivate over the numbers and missed asking those bigger questions. well it's nighttime in london and police are back on the streets trying to quell riots over the last four nights thousands of taken part in protests that have turned increasingly violent and even deadly and now the unrest is spreading out of london and to other cities across the u.k. artie's more and more reports on the reasons that many young people could be taking part in these protests. across england and wales more than eleven thousand police have already been laid off in austerity measures by two thousand and fifteen a total of thirty four thousand will go meanwhile london and other cities are taken
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over by thugs the police have not been anywhere where the police if the police were hit that would have been i think they need to prioritize things out a little bit better i don't think they're doing everything they can i don't mean to be more violent i think they need to be more competent while police numbers are being cut the estimated cost of the war in afghanistan from two thousand and one to the end of last month was thirty billion dollars all taxpayer cash british forces are also heavily involved in libya despite the ministry of defense being required to lose thirty two thousand stars m.e.p. general patton says money's being spent on foreign wars that should be spent at home but i think the point is come where we have to call in the armed forces what we've seen now and. criminality across the whole of london what we should do in my view is pull our troops back from these pointless wars in afghanistan and iraq. as
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money spent on two wars in foreign lands parts of london birmingham liverpool and bristol essentially get to use partly because of high immigration but also because young people in these communities have no prospects the board and disaffected and as the cuts bite that's not going to improve a class youth worker told me four out of eight youth centers have closed since last year it's about investing in our communities when you take away the money from the police in the way that the money for youth work. never imagine such consequences to be only you know you will get consequences tuesday night so sixteen thousand police officers on the streets of london according to the metropolitan police the force is being stretched more than ever before and increasingly londoners are talking about taking matters into their own hands bringing with it to ation under control is just the beginning of folding the problem it's not just
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about cleaning up it's about communities coming to terms with the fact that even at the current numbers if violence is widespread enough the police seem unable to retain control the feeling of insecurity in these communities is likely to remain for some time particularly if police keep disappearing from the be your emmett are to clap and london. so sixteen thousand police are on the streets of london on tuesday night and while the situation seems to be simmering down a little bit it's definitely not over and is in fact spreading to other cities but its prime minister david cameron has now responded by authorizing the use of rubber bullets and water cannons but is responding to violence with more violence the right answer even if this type of force is use the riots are quelled for the time being ordered nor the larger problems within britain and leave the reasons for social unrest untouched and what exactly is it about britain that makes riots of this size and the scope possible. and might we ever see them here in the u.s.
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to discuss this is sally mcnamara senior policy analyst in european affairs at the heritage foundation thanks so much for joining us tonight now of course you are far from britain so you're really watching some of these scenes from your own country what is that what exactly do you think is going on here because we've heard a lot of different arguments depending on what your political leanings may be from the media from politicians that multiculturalism may have failed here that this might be a welfare state issue that kids have no opportunity but what do you think it is well first of all i think it's a national embarrassment and i think it is just absolutely crazy that three months ago we had a million people in london for the royal wedding not one security incident fast forward three months of we're seeing these riots the government needs to be more prepared because this is been fifteen years in the making and we know that there are huge problems in these communities this isn't the working class versus the rich class this is a whole underclass of kids who have never seen their parents go to work have children who see that the government you can give us everything we want
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a family breakdown no individual responsibility we've lost social entrepreneurship this is fifteen years of failed policies and we have seen the failure of policing here police don't know how to police anymore you can bet they know how to fill in forms you can bet they've been sisson city training but they don't know how to police and i object to the idea that when the police try to police it's violence it's not violence it's restoring law and order on our streets we shouldn't need a lot of living for it let's break that down and let's break that down into a couple of points in terms of what you're saying here saying these kids are grown up and so i'm assuming that you're blaming this on the welfare state they're looking at parents who haven't worked and they're thinking of the government will take care of them but if that's the mindset that you have of you think the like this so easy and the government is going to take care of you why would you go out on the streets and start riding it seems like there's another kind of anger simmering here people are angry about something and it doesn't seem like they're angry because the government is giving them all the money in the world to just free load and have a nice life the. this is more mentality you will see in ten year old kids taken the
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lead from eighteen year old kids running into schools and running out with words in the middle east they're rioting for democracy or protesting for democracy we're seeing people here writing for haiti t.v. we tell it we're saying i mean what does that mean right about society about culture if supposedly you have a democracy but people are still upset about the way that it's functioning they're upset about the way it works and that's what they want is an h.d.t.v. because perhaps maybe that's what that's what the rich people have right that's what it becomes a status of wealth in this and they want the same title to a t.v. if you want to be t.v. go work for it and go and buy one but if you go out if there are no jobs that how are you to get one this is the biggest misnomer that we have no opportunity show we have unemployment and we've got a problem when we need to remedy that that is the job of government to unleash the private sector to create jobs or it is not the job of government is to provide every household in the u.k. with t.v. what we're seeing here is this culture with me me me i am entitled no one is
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entitled to these things we have lost that contract where we say you go out to work you work hard and there are all opportunities it is a terrible criminal acts that we are seeing look at these solutions they are following other young looters they are robbing this is pure all of us in this also they're doing it because they think they can get away with it that they will be no reprisals they've already made they've already made it pretty clear that they are going to try to be tough here they're going to be penalties now they're trying to get social media companies like twitter they're trying to get blackberry on the side here too but you know tell me compare and contrast what it's like here in the u.s. and what we're seeing in the u.k. because we keep hearing the same argument here that if you just unleash the private sector the economy is going to go back to normal but that's not happening at all right every company is holding onto its cash there's uncertainty well the reserve the stock market is falling and they're not hiring people and they have plenty of money the private sector have money at their disposal show but they have no predictability the n.e.p. . us saying is that we're going to have
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a bomb like air which is hugely expensive there is going to be lots of new regulation europe is still pushing for increased emissions caps which are going to cost the sixty billion more in there are things like that for the for the public good right if you're talking about email accounts why not we need certain regulations other we have and i don't this is road rage not going to unleash the american dream by saying our kids are going to go sixty trillion more than others and pay off debt that is the worst thing that we could do to try and on this the private sector but go back to london you're us here right that we have an underclass and that has been created by excessive government interference and excessive welfare state and the luck of saying if you break the law we will come up to you let me tell you this quick story i want i want to play a clip because we only have two minutes left and so i want to play a clip from the b.b.c. which is interesting to me as to maybe why the government doesn't know what's going on and why the media perhaps also doesn't know how to report on a particular i have been living in london for. this many
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different moods and movements but what i was certain of by listening to my guns and my son is that something. very serious was going to police in this country i want political leaders had no idea the police had no idea but if you jack me and young black and young way we did zanny the nanny and they can hear you hearing they aren't big telling us and we have never seen that had been induced can treat then if i can just use this language just stop you mr howe for a moment you're not you say you're not so does this mean that you condone what happened in your community last night. that attitude is pretty incredible to me right that somebody might be saying that this is been going on that the government is hasn't been aware they have been paying attention because you say the. you guys haven't been looking long been living where i'm living that means that he's
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automatically condoning the violence and he's condoning these types of actions i feel like you can draw some parallels here with the us that you don't get people listening to the american people politicians don't listen the media sure as hell doesn't listen because they're too focused on what's going on in washington d.c. maybe that's what riots when where and why it's results well one thing is sure president obama certainly isn't listening to the american people because they are saying we want more we want less debt. that he said actually if you're going to hold the american people you know where you want jobs you don't want you to focus on the deficit right now we want you dogs and we want the economy to get better but just say that is ok we want jobs and we don't want you to focus on the deficit and we don't want you to spend months talking about the debt and making a debt deal rather than creating jobs or at least you know invigorating making businesses hire forcing them to your source or as we are warning money back we don't want lots and lots of states especially failed stimulus what did obama do he
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did a second stimulus because the first one did so i definitely think that obama is listening in terms of what isn't listening obama's unless you can say everybody is listening right now because they want jobs they don't want deficit reduction yet and how do we get to more jobs obama says we need more investment in infrastructure which is just another stimulus we need more quantitative easing we peak during the summer i am going to say no but there are a lot of us and they say it will go down that way and we did have those things and i'm running out of time so you say that we could ever see something like this happen here on american streets to believe that if you go down the route that we did in britain if you don't have social mores if you see the breakdown of the family if you say religion is something to be sniggered if you say that we don't believe in the private sector we actually think government knows best if you say that we should have excessive government you could absolutely see this in america are will see hopefully that doesn't come true her side i was joining us tonight. and so to come tonight we have a glimmer of hope after a court stops unconstitutional d.s. . a collection of one us state and
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a new super committee is starting to take shape here in washington again as lawmakers actually trim our deficits when there are to be bought and paid for by large corporations at this very end host of the young turks university joins us in just a moment. really you believe in science and technology from the right. we. have heard. we've dedicated
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a significant portion of our show to bring you all the latest details on the hacktivist group anonymous now it's no secret they know how to grab attention of the world they've got some of the most well known companies and organizations but this latest announcement might be the mother of all hacks or the mother of all hoaxes that's why this time a group claiming to speak for anonymous said that they're going to take down facebook on november fifth of this year if you're willing to just or a guy who just wants to protect the freedom of information join the cause and kill facebook for the sake of your own privacy facebook has been selling information to your government agencies and giving clandestine access to what information security firms sold out they can spy on people from all around the world one day you will look back on us and realize what we have done here is right. now we spoke in depth about facebook privacy issues on the show so obviously there are some serious concerns at stake. the world's largest social network however there are mixed
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reports coming forward about the legitimacy of this anonymous hack see on the twitter feed they posted to press up facebook is just another fake we don't kill the messenger that's not our style however just a few hours later they tweeted look is being organized by someone on this is not necessarily mean that all of anonymous agrees with it and just over an hour ago gawker reported that they had spoken to it are not amiss member who was part of the initial operation facebook and he told them that this entire hack is all one big misunderstanding that they never actually intended to kill facebook rather than encourage people to cancel their pages on november fifth to raise awareness about the privacy issues now since then they got on board the entire project in abandoned it leaving only a few cryptic messages lingering on the internet which came to father's regulation and rumor so it seems as if there was a number of communication errors that led to the explosion of this story i can't say that we're surprised after all anonymous is a self-proclaimed loosely organized group of hackers it's hard to identify any of them they're located all over the place and with spin off groups like i can even
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anon sect it's hard to say who is who so here's the next question that everyone's asking is anonymous even capable of pulling something off like this let's not forget the magnitude of facebook's power mark zuckerberg prized possession has made millions within the past decade and surely he's got a highly skilled team of i.t. people to protect his social media site so what happened was it all a hoax or some sort of grand misunderstanding i guess is the only way to know for sure is to wait and see what happens on november fifth at the mark zuckerberg is taking precautions in this case. well today we learned the names of most of the senators and representatives that will be on the super committee is now going to be deciding how at least one point two trillion dollars in cuts to the federal budget thanks to the deal that was struck in order to avoid a default and the three democratic senators are going to be max baucus of montana john kerry of massachusetts and patty murray of washington state at the republican senators we jon kyl of arizona arizona that toomey of pennsylvania and. of ohio and
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we're still waiting on nancy pelosi to announce that the three democrats of the house john boehner has already released the republican house names and they are jeb hensarling of texas dave camp of michigan and fred upton of michigan and the mainstream media is already falling all over itself describing who these lawmakers are what committees they're on what positions they take let's be honest here this so-called super committee that's supposed to save us from more credit downgrades and decide on the future of america's social programs really think they're going to pull this does it matter that it's bipartisan is that going to lead to some truly equal deal the places the needs of the american people first or is it all a charade because as dylan ratigan described it yesterday our congress is bought and joining me from our studio in los angeles is anika sperry and host of the young turks university and thanks so much for joining us tonight now before we get into some of the details here let's start with the entire premise of this super committee now we have twelve people in congress that are more special than the rest of the elected officials that are going to be deciding on that debt i think that's
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a good idea. no i don't think it's a good idea i think that it's not representative of our congress right now right now our congress is not bipartisan we have a majority if you look at all representatives all people in congress the majority of them are democrats so we're basically ignoring the american people and ignoring who the american people voted for to come up with this so-called bipartisan committee and by the way if you really look into the details of all of these people that are in this committee you see that they're not writs not really bipartisan at all why i'm happy you mentioned that i just wonder if there is any real bipartisanship left right because i'm sure the democrats will tell us that we're going to be democrats we're going to fight for the american people by the atlantic wire actually composed some figures in the sunlight foundation or they spoke about some of the biggest contributors to campaigns and obviously for the republicans it was big banks there are a lot of pharmaceutical companies but even the democrats here like john kerry and like max baucus their biggest contributors are also j.p.
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morgan they are also goldman sachs so what does that tell you. it's tells me that it's not a bipartisan committee at all i mean when you look at the american system right now political system as a whole the reason why it's so disastrous is because corporate interests trump everything else so you have citibank ok you have goldman sachs funding so far these three democratic senators that are supposed to be in the super committee so what are they going to do are they going to really focus and fight on increasing taxes no they're not going to do that because they have you know they have corporate interests that have donated so much money to them and their political campaigns and you know keep in mind that with the super committee all you really need is a simple majority to pass whatever deal you're you know the republicans are trying to pass so think about the people that harry reid has chosen for the democratic side max baucus is a centrist that is what his reputation is ok he. he's known as
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a centrist he's willing to strike deals with the republicans in fact he has already come out during these debt deal negotiations and he has said that he is in favor of cutting funding to medicare medicaid as long as we increase taxes except i think that he's disingenuous i don't think that he's really that focused on raising taxes at all and by the way all the republicans that are in the supercommittee have signed grover norquist tax pledge basically saying that they will not raise taxes under any circumstances so what is the result going to be the result is going to be something that is not bipartisan at all we're going to see no increase in taxes and at the same time we're going to see cuts in things that are so important to working class and middle class people things like medicare and medicaid social security funding for higher education that's the way that they're going to save money they're not going to increase revenue by raising taxes at all and that's not bipartisan well you know i wonder if it really wouldn't even matter depending where
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the even mattered who exactly it was that was put on this commission whether it wasn't kerry or whether it wasn't a republican they had signed this pledge evolve congress is just the same these days i want to play a clip from dylan ratigan the show last night when you and i always rail about the mainstream media and how they fail to get it but he's someone that i actually think really gets it on mainstream television and he got really mad yesterday to take a look. but i did like to go to the people of the united states of america and say people of the united states of america your congress has bought your congress is incapable of making legislation on health care banking trade or taxes because if they do it they will lose their political funding. now i think is right there and he has a point but he wants the president to go to the american people and actually say that and say your congress has bought a do you think the president would ever do such a thing and be don't americans already know that their congress is bought don't you
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think they've just given up hope that you can actually change this system. in regard to your first question about obama inconceivable obama concedes on every issue there's no way in hell obama would go to the american people and say congress is bought obama is so focused on getting reelected in a second term he's so focused on this so-called you know name to his claim to fame which is bipartisanship he wants to make friends with the republicans has completely distracted by all of that he's not going to go to the american people and say anything about how congress is bought ok that's it's just that you don't you know who does that a strong president does that brock obama is not a strong president ok and in terms of the american people what will their response be you know so far their response has been nothing i read a great article on alter net today that talked about the response of the american people have had to all of these cuts in education all the horrible economic
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situation and so far everyone's been very quiet and i don't think that they've lost hope i just think that people are angry enough yet and we're getting there people are starting to really wake up in fact there was this really great piece written by alter net again by the way that talked about how wealthy people in the united states are stockpiling weapons and they're getting prepared for global unrest because they see it coming people are starting to be starting to get extremely angry and you're seeing that right now in great britain and i think that we're going to see it here in the united states as well i don't think the people have lost hope i just think that they're not angry enough yet some people are still a little complacent unfortunately while we're definitely not seeing what we're seeing in london here in the u.s. right now and i don't know if that's actually coming here or not but i do think there's some kind of anger simmering i just don't know of dylan ratigan is right in thinking that the president is actually better than congress in the sense no matter whether you had a strong president or a weak president they still are always focused on getting reelected this president
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all of his advisors will come from the top echelons of the financial elite they also have to worry about money and about these interests and so it seems like you know it just trickles down to everyone and i want to thank you so much for joining us tonight. thank you. now still to come we have another edition of you said it i read it i respond to some of the comments that you've left online and then let's talk about online anonymity should you be forced to give your real name and join a social network that's a google plus is making you do but some people are fighting that so will dive into that and just remember. wealthy british soil some time to explain the findings go to.
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this is also in the audience here like most kids at alliance. police across england given the go ahead to these troll controlled riots is they suspect. clashes have been reported in london with youths bottles at the police three mining what killed while protecting its. north and south korea. over a disputed maritime border in the yellow sea raising fears fresh talks on the military nuclear program will fail to start. as it were turned off the shelling from the north and dismissed the claims as ridiculous. and america to presume that tops pulled have been investigated predict char and i could who plays the us as the world's biggest economy within four years the journal recently avoids strong criticism of washington's financial performance.
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