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to. hello again and welcome to spotlight the interview show on r.t.i. malbrunot and today we will hear a miraculous crash landing story. in september a russian tupolev one fifty four aircraft with failed flight control navigation radio communication systems made an emergency landing at in the bandon airstrip in the middle of the thai got its crew managed to save all the seventy two passengers on board president medvedev has all of the pilots as heroes of russia and decorated the other crew members with the order of courage today on spotlight they will tell us the dramatic story and details here on the captain of the aircraft crew and the navigator he's getting in there myself and sergei how long life.

you going in the high school it has been flying the well known route between moscow and this mall town and russia for several years but you were in one flight an unexpected electricity supply failure put everyone aboard on the edge of survival the team guided by captain you being and i still managed. what seemed impossible they landed the plane and also the airfield. to get a life as a navigator the ice of the whole crew no surprise then that it was he who first spotted the abandoned strip lost in the taiga the president decorated the team was data words the captain became heroes of russia and the navigator a member of the water. thanks so much for coming to our program and congratulations on your well deserved awards thank you. all your friends and relatives most of us. when you were

landing the airplane did you feel really scared you're quite experienced people but nevertheless were you afraid. i was scared at one point only. scared but it felt as if something was missing you know russians. the moment the fuel low lights went on the countdown began. after that moment we were told we couldn't carry on the flight as we had intended earlier. on that moment we had to make an urgent decision so you were going to fly somewhere well let's go back to feeling afraid i fell for you a couple of times but it got suppressed immediately. when an individual is busy doing things to his fear and yet suppressed i had of the kind of fear that constrains one's motions and limbs but that's not what we felt you just have to

overcome it as we were busy piloting this fear was receding but i felt really scared only once when we landed and ran into the forest and you know what we'll get to that that's when i felt somewhat scared but not while still in the air. right here not accustomed to. flying through the forests. of events were unfolding as follows. it was taking place as usual at the altitude of ten thousand six hundred meters we made a trip from moscow to pull out an a and we were on our way back down the chimneys nothing indicated what was going to happen so when men started bailing gradually at first we decided to descend to a certain altitude and to continue to fly as it was old cloudy below the plane was so our intention at first was to reach a cloudless area for better visibility audiences to determine our exact location

and decide whether we should head for the nearest airport. but things changed when the fuel low light went on as a gay said so we realized we had only thirteen minutes left to fly. then would run out of fuel and angels would stop and that would be it so we had no other option but to get under the clouds so we can see terrain and start looking for a landing place. now let's take a look at how today's guests worked that miracle landing a plane with failed flight control here's this report from spotlights. the tupolev ally now with eighty one people on board was on its way from russia's far east to moscow cruising at thirty thousand feet its electrical system failed the policy to do some quick thinking and find somewhere to land in the vastness of

the russian wilderness as it descended there was no way to slow we down using brakes and nowhere look tricity to the flight controls added to that no way due to cold for how near recklessly they saw an abandoned f.l.d. with a concrete runway that had been used by how to cope just to sure for. it was their only chance and they too could land in. the plains. into the forest cutting down trees is it slow it finally came. down in march of the seventy two passengers and nine crew members who were hurt in the crash landing. what was the response of the pilot cabin staff when the flight engineer reported that the equipment failed you said that it started failing gradually or did it fail immediately because. this was before the flight engineer

made his first report it was like just you know that aircraft could go that it was wide levels in the automatic mode the autopilot is going to syria and pilots monitor the process. so the first thing that happened was the autopilot turning off and andre and i so wished to manual control and then the flight engineer began reporting that equipment started failing because that's when everything began. did you eventually realize what happened i think something went wrong with the battery that's according to the commissioner. about it only when do you know now that yes we do could you tell us about it two other audience know what caused the entire electric system of an aircraft to fail according to preliminary conclusion of the state commission the airplanes first and second batteries experienced thermal runaway. bride viewers we need to mention that there are four batteries on

a plane the first and second battery experienced a thermal runaway as for what it is stood at the edge of this process has been mushed researched by science but all car owners know what boiled batteries are. whether that's when all of a sudden you see the bench or is. temperature jumps up and the battery goes out of order. in a car this process isn't dangerous he just stops operating and that's it. but when thermal runaway happens on a plane it produces very dangerous a crude fumes. to contact anyone on the ground when the plane ran out of so to say was there any way to get in touch with the ground. we had an emergency radio already fifty five wasn't working it was working so that the ground search service would locate us at

a landing but that's what it's intended for the user to contact the ground it works as a beacon only when it's on helicopters can take the bearings and locate it. could you use your cell phone calls from our cell phones immediately that wasn't ground but it didn't work in the air right there on three cells and. one kilometer above ground. to pick up a phone and make a call. cordingley you didn't have any communication with the airfield. they just saw you where no communication period no channels but they saw you and realized you were going to land we were the ones who saw and realized that we were go into one of their no ground services in that airport. was there the chief right there of course chief and he saw us and. let's go back to the thermal runaway issue just how likely are such things to occur. i have never heard about it

happening so unexpectedly and with such serious consequences does this mean it can happen again. yes it can happen once again let me stress that this process hasn't been properly researched. thermal runaway can be gradual or sudden or wavelike which is related to temperature rise inside the battery. could explain about this a few low lights. off with quite a lot of few fuel tanks so the light went on but you knew you had to know if you look. well let me remind you that our rectifiers failed the first and second batteries failed. and because of their failure there wasn't enough power to enable fuel pumps to transfer fuel from wing tanks to the supply tank that

feeds the engines. thus the pumps stopped and the supply tank pumps mechanically driven they only work when engines work. comparing to cars again you had gas in the carburetor only exactly and there wasn't much gas there either so gay tell something so your plane ran out of a city even though the engine was still running how did you steer then when all the wing flaps and so on are power operated or are there manual control rods as well. i guess it could be possible but the thing is that angels were running and plane was a bt and to manual control and steering at that point nothing really terrible was happening yet engines were running and the plane was under control even though there was no electricity and no radio control in numerous devices including gorge

were out of order and when the fuel low light went on when we reached the cloud free area and spotted that concrete runway at that point we had to slow down by engaging wing flaps and slats. and that didn't happen neither in automatic nor in manual mode i mean you only could do was extend landing gear by means. of the secondary mergence the hydraulic system the entire flight took place with clean wings and at high speeds and you landed with clean wings to exactly that's why it was so difficult that was quite a risky trick well we had no other options moreover you had tanks for a few they were half fool actually say he never saw all of the captain of that. one fifty four which made it crash landing in the common public tender and navigators of that flight alive is also in our studio spotlight will be back shortly after we take a break so stay with us we'll continue in just a minute. download

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dot com. welcome back to the spotlight i am algor now and then just to read more into that my guests in the studio today are you gaining the right here or are russia and the captain of the two believe one fifty four which made a crash landing in the common republican september and also a flight night again that all of that aircraft said of the alliance who was awarded order of courage. so again my question is to you you get he has explained several times that the emergency cropped up you managed to descend through the clouds and were already able to find your bearings by sites at the more can you call it luck that there was no low cloud cover so that you can never gauge your claim with the

map and by terrain sites i mean. there were many factors that helped us to land but it was daytime not night there were no mountains. which. we had just passed northern europe. it was the distance between the lens and the lower cloud six hundred meters. or so after we pierce the clouds. and looking for a place to land. we again had luck and that was. initially planned to run for that spirit because we didn't see any runways around. but as we began heading for it. oh i must add this. in our lending we were told by the locals that this bit has been used as a field as well. and even that was fortunate for us. so

as we headed for the spit we sighted that village. and i suggest that the crew that we are somewhat to the right so that the villages might see us and quickly call rescue services to help our passengers. but as the guys got down to piloting the plane. i was turning my head left and right. only off chance that something else might turn out. and then i clearly saw a runway. on the runway it was straight and even as a road. like a real highway. in the forest next to the village an amazing country it was the soviet union how many and built. thank god. the airfield chief had been looking after their own oil that time clear and that incidentally do you know that a hero of the age or hero of russia. says the same thing he said in one of his

interviews that the pilots would have been unable to save the passengers had it not been for that man who hadn't let anyone ruin that runway that he called. i'm a real officer and a real patriot do you agree. that heroes who deserves to be decorated yes in fact in essence all those years he performed his duty like you did although no one seemed to need him to do that but it came in handy after all. in fact i believe that it's he who is the real hero because he was quite free not to look after that congress street at all because after in ninety nine when the local airlines stop flying their smaller craft like an twenty four and yak forty helicopter pad was organized on that runway where medical helicopters touched down from time to time and that man saw it as a point of warning to maintain the runway in order he is

a real. he went on tending the runway he didn't let anyone use it for outside purposes now the mushroom hunters vehicles were allowed in nor any other heavy equipment business people that timber in that area for expert to china offered him good money to be permitted to stockpile timber on the runway to earn money yes but he declined the offer as you said this trip should stay free in case an aircraft game was needed again and so it was. the story of water that you used in order to better part of the plane we were talking about vehicles but personally i heard the glass of water tail in connection with the rolls royce when you buy a rolls royce you place a glass of water inside and drive the car they deep mph. killed it means the assembly is good. pretty much the same with air craft.

shouldn't be any spilled water. in fact the glass of water will still standing when i landed. in fact two years ago as the water. in fact we could show if we had a full glass of water. you have a level surface and you put a glass of water on it the water spills out when you tilt the plane to one side or another water in the glass to as well so you used to find the horizon. we use that as a horizon indicator as we were piercing clouds not landing. let me explain something people in journalists asked many questions and like to explain it once again no one landed the plane with the help of that glass of water we didn't look at it while we were in the air it all began as we started climbing down the flight engineer put down that glass and it came to my head how thoughtful it was of him to offer a drink of water to the crew but then i recalled that it was an old trick from an

era when aircraft had no horizon indicators if you were in the clouds a glass of water was used in order to prevent your craft from turning over in the air and to keep it on an even kneel. but none of us really looked at the glass because the laws of physics are different and so on big is flying at high speeds. you mean centrifugal forces in operation yes the only thing as again use that is that an indicator of a soft and successful landing was the fact that the water was still firmly in his receptacle as the plane touched down on that runway and after it stopped so how many attempts did it take you to land the plane used for attempts. on purpose in order to better see where you were going to land or was it because your first attempts failed actually as i said the mechanisms were not working and the speed was high. school this type of plane cannot land at such

a high speed. but how much did it exceed the speed needed for landing by a hundred was your landing speed two hundred seventy kilometers per hour and what was your landing speed at that moment four hundred and later three hundred eight. this is why it was a visual flight and a visual maneuver during our first and second attempts we just failed to fit in into the runway alignment during the third attempt we decided would fly over the runway and see whether it was free. com pass it was still operational and we marked a tentative landing course which we saw on the strip was clear and braced up for the touchdown the fourth attempt was a success. so tell me can you say you were lucky to be flying that specific model t. you one five four is there anything about it is designed to help you land it successfully i'd like to say once again that this particular plane saved lives with

this specific plane yes precisely this model it's very reliable though obsolete cold is it. plan stop turning out these i crafts as late as two thousand and eight yes it's an obsolete model but it's some thirty years old isn't it yes its first regular flight took place in one thousand nine hundred ninety two forty years yeah forty years it's just obsolete it has three engines it consumes more fuel than foreign made aircraft but the plane is highly reliable situations like the one we faced because there really nothing like this is going to happen any more but it has some very sturdy shafts is nothing in the running gear broke no nothing in a landing gear broke. and you know nothing broke as we plow through the woods it's a reliable plane and if you act with determination it follows your orders very well . i'd like you to comment on the latest tragic air accident involving a polish plane that crashed near smolensk surely you've heard about it and read

a lot about it as you see it what prevented the crew from making a safe landing. it seems to me the crew was nervous because the entire government and the country's president were on board the plane. what they should have done was to avoid landing on that particular airfield. so you should have diverted they should have taken the risk better to land on a reserve airfield and save lives very interesting all the mechanisms were operative the plane had been checked ten tested time and again by contrast none of your back and has since were functioning good visibility while they were in the fog where their flight conditions worse than yours even with the functioning instruments sure they had formed all around but the instruments were in good order but they shouldn't have made any landing attempts just to be the instructions

they'd say issued hand for reserve airfields you know when i mean is that to land a plane with the electric system being out of order in conditions of clear visibility is easier than to land an operating plane in thick fog it depends on how you understand it. better to find a reserve airfield. right there are standards of weather requirements and crew preparation which a crew on a particular working plane in think fog got killed and killed the passengers. matter what advances of technology maybe they can replace a q nine hands yes and in this case it means that the plane was d'anna joyous all of the equipment was out of order but all the same the crew landed the plane successfully let's make another comparison as a well known story to last year they landed a plane on the hudson river which situation was more complicated there's are yours

what do you think we were not there what's your idea about it was better water or forests i think both situations are very complicated i had my award the captain did there i think he's a great. professional musician it's hard to land on the water surface because in case of a swing the plane will break into pieces award the show some of the what the wings will be torn off but he had all the equipment working fine landed calmly said he wouldn't notable that the engines did not work. the landing was successful and on the job my last question is will your plane fly again i think that it should flaws will you fly again on it. you're not superstitious no thank you so much good luck thank you for participation thank you thank you very much for being with us and just a reminder that today he is getting the buy sell and hero of russia and captain hard to pull of one fifty four which made it crash landing in the comment the public can

sit down and also the flight that the gators are the same crew city tell a lie to was awarded an order. and that's it for now for all of us here and we'll be back with more for stan comments are once going on in and outside russia cancel then stay home i t and take a few. in

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