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can. stand. alone and welcome to cross talk and people about the english language continues to flourish does it threaten other languages with one in three people speaking english does this promote western values and with the rise of asia english maintain its a period position in the world. can. you discuss the language question i'm joined by robert phillips and in copenhagen he is professor emeritus at the copenhagen business school in paris we go to john paul nidia he's author of the book don't speak english our late globish and in hong kong we have david read all he is a distinguished visiting scholar at city university of hong kong and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk

you can jump in anytime you want and jump oh i'd like to go to you you have a new i suppose a language or posse language that you're introducing to the world and it's called globus and how is it different from english and if you could for partly could you answer in globish forests. oh there globish is english isn't even meant to be very correct english but it is what we call english like it is a simplified form of english with less words it would six hundred fifty thousand words and you're suddenly sherry that's way too much so we need to be most to show that with fifteen hundred words and the children of those words to david lives of those words you can express all you need in the world for business purposes or is it boys so it is in english light but still a great kingly if i will give us an example given is example what it sounds like and what words you like to use go ahead. i mean when you're in

egypt or you're in english this is this is not only good being brothers in these are good or worse is mostly comprised of me and my siblings you might understand that if you are in if there were meant to be the all most people will not understand that so if you want to get on with it because if you say we seize our company top management you're the most going to have mostly me and over two hundred my parents and you get the same message across with the words are seem very to belong to my limited list and everybody will listen you better so your heat rate in terms of understanding we tend to use video or if you use nice going or formulation ok robert if i go to you in copenhagen is this just jibberish bad english. i think it's very clear that. when you are in the real world you obviously have to communicate as best you can i am worried by the idea that a simplified form of english like that. is in it's

a bit like madonna dies ation it's a packaged version which apparently will give you the satisfaction that you need whereas in the real world. people don't really function like that they negotiate meaning they try to get through and as an educational goal i think they need to be exposed to relinquish as it is used in a whole range of contexts so i'm a bit worried that this is a quick fix in some way whereas learning english you have to be culturally sensitive depending on who you're speaking to which part of the world you are what your goals are it's a much more complex task than what globish claims to be a capable of achieving ok david i mean well it's a very good point you know the mcdonnell ization of english but that's the trend in the world that everything's getting began allies i think john paul's point is that you know if you want to be able to communicate in communicate as best you can and i think i'm i should we make it clear i should make it clear to my audience here. this is a this is a kind of plies the language of non-native speakers speaking to each other like

danes speaking to japanese japanese speaking to koreans and things like that it's not really actually doesn't have anything to do with needed speakers of english i actually agree partly with both robert and john paul here and i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald ais ation as the struggle to communicate in the real world by people who don't actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is actually on to something here and saying that people need some guidance as to how to best deploy the limited resources of the language they have to communicate clearly and this is actually something which perhaps great speakers need to learn about as well so it's not entirely just a matter for non-native speakers ok i'll jump all in if then why not just learn english i think i'm going on line with robert was saying and if you want to use english one of you to speak it properly. well we should make clear that there are or audition to be are there will be two kinds of families again the english which

gives you access to the culture of the anglo-saxon girls here which is immense very each outstanding going from shakespeare conductor wayne and if you like bill gates so this is very true and if you want to enjoy it if you want to read it we should all use content you need korean english which for a person like me is a lifetime if not if you want to close a deal in must call. to kill or ensue or. if you speak like people speak in venice to excess nursed you look at the people who will not understand you and this is why it was a vision when i went to japan in one thousand nine hundred ninety four does business decisions or you observe some americans going to mean me for my team and i was a vice president with i.b.m. usa then and i observed that the just the japanese there and then the koreans and soon and the chinese in beijing or toward the far east where much better ideas with me understood me better understand them better than what i could observe between them and americans and that's why i said we thought we were speaking english we are

not we are speaking a different kind of language they something different so well that is great and starts good so it's been a side business is concerned internationally he's not and given you had your home guy to meet wrote the report for the british council which i quote extensively in my book and indeed people there are many scenes which are worse importing here one of them is that in ninety six percent of the cases in international communication there is at least one no native english speaker who is involved and it's up to you needed english because to adjust to the river of this person who are not be as good in worshipping as least because like me would be ok example i mean i could agree with you maybe if you're talking about your childhood or buying a ticket to the train station or ordering in a restaurant or something like that. you bring a business i mean most businesses you have contracts and you have very specific laws and clauses and things like that this this language can't work for that if i

think i've got a robert on that i mean it's for chitchat it's just to get you know get through something if there's something you wouldn't sign a contract with using this kind of language it's too imprecise i mean it has nothing to do with english as a school subject where you're trying to equip people to function you know in a range of ways and i want one of things that worries me about the whole promotion of different types of english worldwide is that the assumption moralists is that the only language you need worldwide these days is english you don't get far with english in latin america or even in southern europe or in most of asia so that when for instance danish companies are asked why they have failed to achieve a business deal in japan or in italy they tend to say always because they don't speak english well enough there whereas what companies ought to be doing in order to trade with japan and italy is to have enough people in their country who can actually function well and understand the culture as well as the language of japan

or korea or or italy so that so far as education is concerned it's a totally different ballgame and i agree really with the mystical bell here that the that the idea that you can do complex negotiations with a simplified register is misleading no ok john paul you're shaking your head you disagree go ahead. i'm sorry i think. illustration because i'm going to need to be english because you might have already had well but i reckon it's a wonderful artist and you have been through this one country. go through me go ahead you know so i could there are many people who do that as far as contracts are concerned you have lawyers experience that can have the contracts and concentrate them from american into english to begin with from including u.k. english so that you don't have to do when you're negotiating where you have to rule . what he got from also your products or your services understanding you so your

customer and you don't need a full english for that you did you can do it with limited english programming you forward to go rules you he formulated you use sentences and you check that your people are in front of you understanding you which most native english speakers don't think you should do then and learning a foreign language to do business in this in a foreign land is valid in only one instance if you are living in these foreign lands or used to be here there are many here for say stop or i would have got any so as soon as they assigned a frenchman to harden the company that is the answer you were expected to be able to run and keep pushing for months so you had to pick a guy who's will go into german and english and in four months he was enough to discuss the scout leader who's picked out early in english we look at his announcement in a country they don't so that's true but when you are discussing international business you meet who are understood that the war why language was going to be some kind of beef and there would be no step back because well for the first shot i have

my nintendo in here and you jump here and go to david here why don't you put issue on the other foot i mean should native speakers of english maybe delve into this because it'll it'll make it easier for them to communicate with people and then i'm saying just for limited purposes if you want to go travel around the world as we just it was pointed out in some places than in europe in asia and in south america there's very limited english it wouldn't be a bad idea for native speakers say take a real short course in that and you could get by a lot easier. i'm not i'm all in favor of native speakers being talked how to use their language in a more effective ways when talking to non-native speakers i don't think it actually needs to sort of to learn a certain english light a special kind of english i think it's more about strategies and principles hopefull are using the language that you already know but i think that we are talking about different things here i think that in korea tiley with with robert on this that for ordinary service encounters just doing business so the lower level

then find some kind of english light will work but that's not how the global economy works now and increasingly you have multinational companies for example working in a number of different countries you have research as technicians and so on who have to work as a global team and communicating at very high level their subject within that team across the world and that really does mean that everyone has to show a very high level of english i am going to jump in right here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on what some people call imperialist stay with r.t. . ok so you can. stay . in the. city for just. it can hear doctors wives policemen smiles ministers wires i just prayed that

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lists we've got the future covered. slug you can see. the. welcome back to cross talk i'm clearly about three mind you we're talking about global languages. you can see. but before it let's see what foreign languages are most popular among russians. global language over the years english has. status being a language of business culture and diplomacy however english is not the only language used for international relations and poorly patients the united nations for example has six official languages arabic chinese english french russian

and spanish the public opinion poll and asian assist russians knowledge of foreign languages six to seven percent said they speak english twenty percent german and another five percent can speak french though english today has a dominant position other languages are taking a stand so what playing which will the world's future and will we all ever speak the same language peter i example if i go back to you first one of the things i think is interesting is that you actually kind of a little baby correct me if i'm wrong kind of a linguistic nationalist yourself you want to preserve good french ok how do you balance it with globish and being someone that really is a connoisseur of the french language. degree in france used to be very proud because it has to be the language of diplomacy can.

you have your say which was mostly discussed in english and then from there on. supremacy and people are very happy about that it was a very very least four inch and irreparable was wrong yes and these they would you know turn back because you believe she's now our language and she's going around the world not very well after in very poorly even for researchers or people who have seen they are highly very but it is the language we use we're going to see the government be calling for international communication and there will be a new step back because for the first time in history. the languages were wide and the communication is instantaneous these never have been in the roman times square let me know he where are going to be around to get there on the end but now this is the case that we need to turn back and when the french people are disparate about the situation they are wrong french would never get back where did he and as i used to say many years ago if you're listening we could good i did know you and your actions this is finished and easily be there but if we are going to be an english

spoken like by david and peter if you are being. like me and both are people like that and you think it's a very interesting point if i go to robert on this one here i mean if we look at what the impact of the internet on english and you know you can go to so many websites that purportedly are in english but the really awful english there is the grammar is awful the spelling is awful the word choice is volatile the syntax is awful but what is stopping this inane and really i had agreed with you before before you know why don't you just learn proper english while the world is this way ahead of us here i mean they're going to use english anyway they want so i mean what direction we go in or can we just can we control it in any way probably not. the internet when it was launched meant that a lot of people thought that this would mean that english would expand at the expense of other languages in fact there are hundreds of languages used on the internet even very small ones demographically speaking and this means that

obviously it's makes a lot of sense in the modern world for anyone to want to have a very high level of proficiency of english the interesting thing for me at least when researching language policy is whether english is being added to people's repertoire which is great or else where the english is replacing other languages and this is where you mention the word imperialism obviously under the soviet system the people of the three baltic states knew what linguistic imperialism was because bilingualism then was a dirty word for basically dropping their own language and shifting into russian and that's exactly what happened in a lot of the colonial world where there was definitely a major focus on colonial languages like like french in english and english does open lots of tools worldwide but one also needs to look at every particular context and see to what extent it actually closes doors for a large number of people while opening for the few david what do you think about

that i mean the big recall the imperialism element that i mentioned at the end of the first part of the program i mean it for all of the learning of languages and which is i'm a predominant one now we'll talk about it later if it's going to stay that way we have to think of the child the chinese but is it is it just is is just doesn't destroy language is it replacing languages because in talking to some of my young people who work on cross talk you know. even when they speak russian the russian english is invading their language and they're in russian you know in a working with me and it's all a mixture less speaking override the of languages even when two of them are throwing in friendship the same time i mean is this good or does it or does it matter. well it's you know i find it very difficult to get sort of terribly worked up about them when i would just look at how the english language came to being of the sort of mongrel language that we have any way to really sort of current preaching purity i think it is true and i absolutely agree with robert that you have to look at particular situations that has agreed to change or it's area in

which to generalise to because there appear to be these big global trends going on but doesn't mean that actually the situation in different countries is not very different particularly in terms of whether languages are actually being injured or perhaps i mean there's an argument to say here in hong kong but the role of english in hong kong is actually helping protect cantonese as a sort of a past to group ok. mandarin ok john paul if i can go to you a lot of people and i want to go into a big discussion here but it is easier is global value free does it have any values because we there's a large a great argument in linguistics that you know it will take the english language for example it has a lot of built in values in the end and a world view and how to look at values in society it is global is global or is it completely devoid of any kind of value in terms of having values. well.

being what they call english you know for in a field leash as devalue or being in f. and with this and a good they will say you can say it was easy you want for reasons a to president obama you know your racial speech you can see it in my websites and would you say exactly the same thing but you think we're her somewhere in ten times more people would have to stand it now you know gratian species for americans but nonetheless there are people outside who would like to listen to it and it doesn't what he says without any consideration which is always distorting the meaning so the value is that it is efficient it is not a language at all since and with it is a tool to communicate and use a tool from a business and in that is that it is enough but it doesn't carry the values of the anglo-saxon culture it isn't qaeda values of democracy doesn't go erode over the years this is not the gold to go in is a simple tool that we make it efficient and by the way people who speak good enough

english and don't have to calculate can do and even be there and even very seldom speak with people who don't speak good english because those words we don't they dare not speak to the speakers what do you think about that robert i mean isn't this isn't as i'm glad. i'm a bit puzzled by that because i think that immigrants like myself i live in denmark although english is my mother tongue i mean i use four languages every week all the time and clearly once you have learned several languages there are vast advantages but to go back to your point about whether globe which is intrinsically impregnated with the cultural values which english has evolved during its development over fifteen hundred years well i think i would say that very clearly english spread worldwide because of the british empire because of the colonize ational america and australia and so on and so this means that the idea that any language can be culturally neutral depends entirely on context any language can serve either good

or evil purposes but a lot of the thrust behind global english at the moment is connected with globalisation with americanization and with consumerist values so in that sense very definitely just as young players just said. she's connected with commerce and this commerce at the moment is dominated by big american interests and other european and japanese and other conglomerates where the chinese of bought into the same game and who knows where the chinese are taking us ok well i'm glad that's a good point here david what do you think i mean when we're talking about how the english language is evolving and you mentioned how it is a barrier to or protecting cantonese there but i mean one hundred years from now we may be talking having the same program a different set of characters obviously but how chinese mandarin chinese is invaded the world and how it so it's either promoted its language or polluted other language we could see people like ourselves you know speaking of

a pigeon chinese. well i'm not too sure about that i mean i think there's no doubt that mandarin is increasing in importance in the world and more and more people across the world are getting interested in learning it as a foreign language but it's not going to displace english really i can't see that happening for at least another one hundred years or more and i doubt it is going to happen i think that the world of languages is being rebalance that that's for sure and i think the minds of you see there are more important things actually going on in the world and english is implicated in them and for example in china and most primary school children are learning english from really quite a young age in the big cities it's as soon as they go into primary school now right across the world this is happening now this means that we have a younger generation going through schools just reaching secondary schools and now in some countries like china who are going to be really fairly good english

speakers now this the world has never seen this before these already these children these young adults are able to communicate directly to each other we were talking earlier about english on the internet they can actually communicate directly to each other it could never have been done before and i think that that is actually for instance contributing to making the world slightly more unstable slightly more dangerous than before so this friend of english is a global language has many many imply mentions more than just business now the interesting question for me is what if in fifty years time china decides to stop teaching english in its schools would it have the clout then to start forcing countries around it begin with to learn more minder in start using more moaned or in and gradually turn ran out of time indeed we should do a program on the cultural and we wish we could germany of mandarin chinese place so my guess would be in paris copenhagen and in hong kong and thanks to our viewers

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