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championships to be held next year. all right in half an hour's time my colleague bill daughters here but for now it's crosstalk and it's just abating whether or not the english language will always remain the dominant language in the world. will. remain you the latest in some instances. from. the future. hello and welcome to cross talk back you talk about the english language continues

to flourish does it threaten other languages with one in three people speaking english does this promote western values and with the rise of asia will english maintain its period position in the world. to discuss the language question i'm joined by robert phillips and in copenhagen he is professor emeritus at the copenhagen this new school in paris we go to john paul media he's the author of the book don't speak english parlayed globish and in hong kong we have david read all he is a distinguished visiting scholar at city university of hong kong and another member of our cross talk team yell on the hunger all right gentlemen this is cross talk you can jump in anytime you want jump oh i'd like to go to you you have a new i suppose a language or policy language that you're introducing to the world and it's called globalists and how is it different from english and if you could for partly could

you answer in globish doris oh there is a nice even meant to be very correct english but it is where we go into the flight it is a simplified form of english with words and words six and fifteen thousand words and you know it's not easy surely that's way too much so we may get the most efficient it with fifteen hundred words and the choose one of those words a day images of those words you can express all you need in the world for business purposes or as a tourist so it is in english light but still correct english all right well give us an example given his example what it sounds like and what words you like to use go ahead. no i mean when if i told you in english this is wrong if i call you need to be grass in this argued over worth is mostly comprised of me and my siblings you might understand that if you are in if there were more d.v.d. or most people will not understand that so if you want to get to mr because you can

see he sees our company we've got management you don't know going to have mostly me and over two hundred my parents and you get the same message across when the words are simply to belong to my limited list and everybody will know so you better so your he trait in terms of understanding would be ten times better if you used nice caring or formulation ok robert if i go to you in copenhagen is this just jibberish bad english. i think it's very clear that. when you are in the real world you obviously have to communicate as best you can i am worried by the idea that a simplified form of english like that. isn't it's a bit like mcdonald is asian it's a packaged version which apparently will give you the satisfaction that you need whereas in the real world. people don't really function like that they negotiate meaning they try to get through and as an educational goal i think they need to be

exposed to relinquish as it is used in a whole range of contexts so i'm a bit worried that this is a quick fix in some way whereas learning english you have to be culturally sensitive depending on who you're speaking through which part of the world you are what your goals are it's a much more complex task than what clovis claims to be a capable of achieving ok david i mean well it's a very good point you know the mcdonnell ization of english but that's the trend in the world that everything's getting mcdonnell lies i think john paul's point is that you know if you want to be able to communicate and communicate as best you can and i think if i'm i should we make it clear i should make it where my audience here. this is a this is a kind of kweisi language of non-native speakers speaking to each other like danes speaking to japanese japanese speaking to koreans and things like that it's not really actually doesn't have anything to do with needed speakers of english i actually agree partly with both robert dunn john paul and i think this is not really so much a question of mcdonald ais ation as the struggle to communicate in the real world

by people who don't actually have a lot of english but i think it's quite right john paul is actually on to something here and saying that people need some guidance as to how to best probably the limited resources of the language they have to communicate clearly and this is actually something which perhaps native speakers need to learn about as well so it's not entirely just a matter for non-native speakers ok i'll jump all in if then why not just learn english i think i'm going online what robert was saying and if you want to use english want you to speak it properly. well we should make clear that there are additional b.r.d. would be two kinds of english very english which gives you access to the culture of the anglo-saxon go here which is immense very each outstanding going from shakespeare conduct wayne and if you like bill gates so this is very true and if you want to enjoy it if you want to read appreciate all your content you need korean english which for a president me is a lifetime if not if you want to close

a deal in moscow or you'll see all. if you speak like people speak in dallas texas and must look at the people who will not understand you and this is my observation when i went to japan in one thousand nine hundred ninety four does business decisions i observe some americans from joining me from my team i was a vice president with i.b.m. usa then and now observe that the japanese there and then the koreans and soon and the chinese in beijing i thought the far east where much better ideas with me and understood me better and better than what i could observe between them and americans and that's why i said we thought we were thinking we are not we are speaking a different kind of language and they something different so wrong that is correct as fast culture it's been business is concerned internationally he's not and we could give you had or the i did to meet roker he thought we discounted which i

could extensively in my book and in these people there are many scenes which are worse in forty year one of them is that in ninety six percent of the cases in international communication there is at least one no native english speaker who is involved and it's up to you native english speakers to adjust to the river of this person or not be as good as your least because they can eat would be ok example i mean i could agree with you maybe if you're talking about your childhood or buying a ticket at a train station or ordering in a restaurant or something like that. you bring a business i mean most businesses you have contracts and you have very specific laws and clauses and things like that this this language can't work for that if i go to robert on that i mean it's for chit chat it's just to get you know get through something is this something you wouldn't sign a contract with using this kind of language it's too imprecise i mean it has nothing to do with english as a school subject where you're trying to equip people to function in

a range of ways and i want one of things that worries me about the whole promotion of different types of english worldwide is that the assumption morris is that the only language you need worldwide these days is english you don't get far with english in latin america or even in southern europe or in most of asia so that when for instance danish companies are asked why they have failed to achieve a business deal in japan or in italy they tend to say always because they don't speak english well enough there whereas what companies ought to be doing in order to trade with japan and italy is to have enough people in their country who can actually function will understand the culture as well as the language of japan or korea or or italy so that so far as education is concerned it's a totally different ballgame and i agree really with the mystical bell here that the the idea that you can do complex negotiations with a simplified register is misleading. jumble you're shaking your head you disagree.

well i'm sorry and i think that illustration because i'm not a native english speaker as you may have look east already had well but and if we so wonderful alexandria i'm afraid it is from countries that go to me go ahead you know so i could take there are many people who do that as far as contacts are concerned you have experience that can have the contracts and constitute them from american into english to begin with from him to u.k. english so that you don't have to do when you're negotiating what you have to do is discuss what he got from and so your products or your services understand denise or your customer and you don't need a full english what about you did you can do it was a limited english providing you for a new girl you he formulated you use your sentences and you check that your people are in front of you our understanding you which was native english because no one thing they should do then and learning a foreign language to do business in d.c.

in a foreign land is valid in only one instance if you are living in destroying and so used to be here you know your forces focus on the many so as soon as i say in frenchman two hundred company that is the answer he was expected to be able to run and speed which in four months so you had to take a guy who's were going to german and english and in four months he was you know to discuss the scardino school's out in english not in his or not but you know you can't is they don't know that that's true but when you are discussing international gives business you need people who understood the doorway language it was going to be some kind of english and there would be no step back because. partly it might in time in here take a jump here and go to david here why don't you put the shoe on the other foot i mean should native speakers of english maybe delve into this because it'll it'll make it easier for them to communicate with people and i'm saying just for a limited purposes if you want to go travel around the world as we just it was

pointed out in some places and in europe in asia and in south america there's very limited english wouldn't be a bad idea for a native speaker so take a real short course in that and you could get by a lot easier. i'm not i'm all in favor of native speakers being taught how to use their language in a more effective ways when talking to non-native speakers i don't think it actually needs to sort of to learn a superb english light a special kind of english i think it's more about strategies and principles old fellow using the language that you already know but i think that we are talking about different things here i think that i agree a tyler with with robert on this that for ordinary service encounters just doing business so a low level then find some kind of english light will work but that's not how the global economy works i mean chris lee you have multinational companies for example working in a number of different countries you have research technicians and so on who have to

work as a global team and communicating and perry high level at their subject within their team across the world and that really does mean that everyone has to share a very high level of english i am going to jump in right here after a short break we'll continue our discussion on what some people call imperialism steve harvey. just. like you study. suggests. takes fifteen to twenty million years for the planet to recover from a major extinction event for the planet as time we don't. spring going on for months twenty twenty five years and since it's been eco terrorists before there was even islamic fundamentalist terrorist in this country nine eleven the

bush administration could not find any terrorists because the feds couldn't find any real terrorists they decided to take these young people who were accused of properties advertise and label them as terrorists someone he'll destroy his property. with absolutely zero intention of harming a single human being. in my mind it's not fair and real people who are green in this country are the housewives who recycle. and the children who play trees on the weekend with their cub scout troops that's. just. kind. of. culture. wealthy british style sun holds sometimes.

markets why not. find out what's really happening to the global economy because a report on our. system . will come back across computor a little tree mind you talking about global languages. and. stuff. but before let's see what foreign languages are most popular among russians. global language over the years english has. status being a language of business culture and diplomacy however english is not the only language used for international relations and poorly patients the united nations

program has six official languages arabic chinese english french russian and spanish the public opinion polynesian assist russians knowledge of foreign languages six to seven percent said they speak english twenty percent durham and another five percent can speak french though english today has a dominant position other languages are taking a stand so what plank which will the world's. and will we all ever speak the same language peter i example if i go back to you first one of the things i think is interesting is that you actually kind of believe that maybe correct me if i'm wrong kind of a linguistic nationalist yourself you want to preserve good french ok how do you balance it with globish and being someone that really is a connoisseur of the french language where a very france used to be very proud because it was to be doing was of the prophecy

. you have your say which was mostly discussed in english and then from there on french nurse and supremacy and people are very happy about that because he prays very english for each and every purpose morris and these would be no turning back because english is now our girl language which is going around the world look very well very poorly even for researchers or people who have seen the out whole event but it is the negligent use we're going to need to come won't be going for international communication and there will be no stared back because for the first time in history. the language is war wide and communication is instantaneous these never have been in the roman times we are letting no heat where we're going to beat their own to get there early on but now this is the case so we need to come back and when the french people are just about the situation they are wrong french would never get back where did he and as i used to say many years ago if you're listening we could go about it know you and your actions this is finished he would be there

but he's going to be the english spoken like i didn't hear if we're being spoken to or meet and both are people like that and daisy and you think it's a very interesting point if i go to robert on this one here i mean if we look at it with the impact of the internet on english and you know you can go to so many websites that purportedly are in english but they're really awful english their grammar is awful the spelling is awful the word choices are full the syntax is awful but what is stopping this inane and really we agreed with you before before you know why don't you just learn proper english while the world is this way ahead of us here i mean they're going to use english anyway they want so i mean what direction we go in or can we just can we control it in any way probably not. the internet when it was launched meant that a lot of people thought that this would mean that english would expand at the expense of other languages in fact there are hundreds of languages used on the

internet even very small ones demographically speaking and this means that obviously it's makes a lot of sense in the modern world for anyone to want to have a very high level of proficiency in english the interesting thing for me at least when researching language policy is whether english is being added to people's repertoire which is great or else where the english is replacing other languages and this is where you mention the word imperialism obviously under the soviet system the people of the three baltic states knew what linguistic imperialism was because bilingualism then was a dirty word for basically dropping their own language and shifting into russian and that's exactly what happened in a lot of the colonial world where there was definitely a major focus on colonial languages like like french in english and english does open lots of tools worldwide but one also needs to look at every particular context and see to what extent it actually closes doors for

a large number of people well opening for the few david what do you think about that i mean the big recall the imperialism element that i mentioned at the end of the first part of the program i mean it for all of the learning of languages in english is the most predominant one now we'll talk about it later if it's going to stay that way we have to think of the child the chinese but is it is it just is is just does it destroy language is it replacing languages because in talking to some of my young people who work on cross talk you know. even when they speak russian the russian english is invading their language and they're in russia you know in the working with me and it's all a mixture of speaking of variety of languages even when two of them are throwing in french at the same time i mean is this good or does it or doesn't matter. well i find it very difficult to get sort of terribly worked up about them and i would just look at how the english language came to being of the sort of mongrel language that we have anyway really sort of her own preaching purity i think that it is true

and i absolutely agree with robert but you have to look at particular situations this is a very dangerous area works to generalize just because there appear to be these big global trends going on but doesn't mean that actually the situation in different countries is not very different particularly in terms of whether languages are actually being injured or perhaps i mean there's an argument to say here in hong kong but the role of english in hong kong is actually helping protect cantonese as a sort of a bias to prove. encroaching mandarin ok john paul if i can go to you a lot of people and i want to go into a big discussion here but it is easier is global value free does it have any values because we there's a large a great argument in linguistics that you know it will take the english language for example it has a lot of built in values in and what a world view and how to look at values in society it is global. or is it completely

devoid of any kind of value in terms of having values. well he'd have a good british being what i call english you know for interfering leash as devalue or being in f. and with this and i did will say you can say it was easy you want for reasons a took president obama's you know gracious speech and you see it in my websites and put it in english saying exactly the same thing but you think we're her somewhere in g.q. still ten times more people would have to stand it out and you know gratian species for americans but nonetheless there are people outside who would like to listen to it and it doesn't work he says without any consideration and she's always distorting the meaning so the value is that it is efficient it is not a language at all saints and it is a tool to communicate and use a tool to make business and in that event it is enough but it doesn't carry the values of the anglo-saxon culture exam qaeda values of democracy doesn't go erode over the years this is not the gold to go in is

a simple tool as we make it efficient and by the way people who speak good enough english don't have to go to people like they do and even peter and david very seldom speak with people who don't speak good english because those words we don't they dare not speak to needed english speakers what do you think about that robert i mean isn't this isn't as a go ahead. i'm a bit puzzled by that because i think that immigrants like myself i live in denmark although english is my mother tongue i mean i use four languages every week all the time and clearly once you have learned several languages there are vast advantages but to go back to your point about whether yes globe it is intrinsically impregnated with the cultural values which english has evolved during its development over fifteen hundred years well i think i would say that very clearly english spread worldwide because of the british empire because of the colonize ational america and australia and so on and so this means that the idea that any

language can be culturally neutral depends entirely on context any language can serve either good or evil purposes but a lot of the thrust behind global english at the moment is connected with globalisation with americanization and with consumerist ralliers so in that sense very definitely just as john kerry has just said. she's connected with commerce and this commerce at the moment is dominated by american interests and other european and japanese and other conglomerates where the chinese of bought into the same game and who knows where the chinese are taking us ok well i'm glad that's a good point here david what do you think i mean we were talking about how the english language is evolving and you mentioned how it is a barrier to or protecting cantonese there i mean one hundred years from now we may be talking having the same program a different set of characters are usually but how chinese mandarin chinese is invaded the world and how it's either you know promoted its language or polluted

other language we could see people like ourselves you know speaking in a pigeon chinese. well i'm not too sure about that some and i think for the first no doubt the mandarin is increasing in importance in the world and more and more people across the world are getting interested in learning it as a foreign language but it's not going to displace english really i can't see that happening for at least another one hundred years or more and i doubt it is going to happen i think that the world of languages is being rebalanced at the moment that's for sure and i think you see there are more important things actually going on in the world and english is implicated in them and for example in china and most primary school children are learning english now from really quite a young age in the big cities it's as soon as they go into primary school now right across the world this is happening this means that we have a younger generation going through schools just reaching secondary schools now in

some countries like china who are going to be really fairly good english speakers now that this the world has never seen this before these already these children these young adults are able to communicate directly to each other we were talking earlier about english on the internet they can actually communicate directly to each other in a way that could never have been done before and i think that that is actually for instance contributing to making the world slightly more unstable slightly more dangerous than before so this friend of english is a global language has many many dimensions more than just business now the interesting question for me is what if in fifty years time china decides to stop teaching english in its schools would it have the clout then to start forcing countries around it begin with to learn more moaned or in start using more minder and and gradually turn we run out of time indeed we should do a program on the cultural and linguistic germany of mandarin chinese thanks to my

guest today in paris copenhagen and in hong kong and thanks to our viewers for watching us here r.t. see you next time. remember prost are. sisters.

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