welcome to the learn to show relative to real headlines with not for mercy or if you live in washington d.c. now tonight we'll speak to its parent of the young turks about crackdowns on social media from bart shutting off cell phone service to the u.k. sentencing to young men so for years they're creating facebook pages inciting riots then president obama says that he's going to roll out another jobs plan germany and france are meeting to discuss the euro zone's debt crisis because all this talk and no real action and is two thousand and eleven starting to look a lot like two thousand and eight but it also speaks to lieutenant colonel tony

shaffer about the increasing cries about defense cuts will be decided by the congressional super committee they don't want you to know as its benefits and pay will probably be on the chopping block instead of expensive weapons programs we're going to have all of that and more tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to me. all right so we have what fifteen months left before the next presidential election that's quite a bit of time and while yes the race does seem to be heating up lately with rick perry entering it and president obama going out on a bus tour the claims is that for campaigning let's not forget people there is still a long way to go and yet if you watch the mainstream media you would think of the election would literally weeks days away pay particular attention to chuck todd ridiculous countdown music that makes it sound like we're just watching the clock until the world comes to an end the president. we'll give them each week our jobs

in the government just after labor day a concession to critics he said something he shouldn't have said it was overly dramatic and then like we needed joke about how he got smacked on the head and lectured to the liberal heckler school board when they challenged republican mitt romney. we should keep an eye for president obama's campaign machine now using the tea party as a wedge in the race for the white house against their i've repeatedly stated over the last week or two that i think covering elections the campaigning it's important you obviously want to be as informed as you possibly can as to who the candidates are the want to get the votes of americans every place in the most powerful position in this country but that doesn't mean that all other coverage should stop and you should only focus on the campaigning especially when there is still fifteen months to go now if i have to watch these people obsess in the same way for that amount of time i think i may just end up in a mental institution it's honestly painful i have the mainstream media still

wonders why people are turning to the internet turning to alternative sources to get their news no it's because you don't cover any whenever some exciting adventures a road trip comes along and the biggest problem is of course if they sit around they talk about mindless nonsense like i pick out of this war what they ate just to fill their twenty four seven news cycles but i've got a suggestion for you how about you take that money that you're spending to send all of your reporters to i was in new hampshire and wherever else and use it for something else and here's a perfect example over the last two days there were demonstrations that took place in six cities across the u.s. all stand miami atlanta houston chicago and charlotte now they were protests by like you know an immigrant organizations that nobody on the big cable networks covered we had to dig around just to find a local news report. today's protest or a classic example of how politics can make strange bedfellows or at least an alliance having put there open president obama liberal latino groups in several

cities including here in atlanta today accused him of breaking a promise to reform america's immigration laws but this group wants is an end to a federal program called secure communities it's a program which allows immigrations and customs enforcement to link up with local police jurisdictions and begin to torch ations based on people who have been arrested but now this is a big story for starters this is turning into yet another mark on obama's record where he says one thing and then does quite the opposite now we know that he's not going anywhere when it comes to comprehensive immigration reform in congress but he is setting records when it comes to the numbers of deportations under one of ministration that's right last year under the obama administration's watch almost four hundred thousand people were deported and yes that is a record and it thing is the obama administration has remained very adamant about repealing of they only target the hardened criminals or deportations and they're not splitting up families or going after people for minor offenses and

unfortunately the numbers don't add up in fact out of the three hundred ninety three thousand people that were deported last year only half could be considered criminals and of those criminal deportations seven percent are based on traffic violations twenty three percent were drug violations and fourteen percent were drunken driving violations. now the rest range from cases of a woman who called nine one one to report domestic abuse i was then turned into report and turn in reported to the authorities or there was a man who was questioned about burning leaves in his front yard and then he was detained for deportation now forgive me if that doesn't sound like a real danger walking our streets i know what some of you out there are thinking who cares these people don't have jobs humans and therefore are here illegally who gets away simply throwing everyone out that's not the answer you have families you know young people have been brought here as children who have lived here gone to school here their entire lives there needs to be a better plan and of course the mainstream media is too busy thinking about elections to think about obama's broken promises but that excuse doesn't really fit

either the hispanic population is the past there's a growing population in the united states and this is who is going to determine elections in the future and the mainstream media would rather sit around watch the reporters eat fried sticks of butter and i was in devote any time recovering protests over four hundred thousand deportations that's exactly what they choose to miss. or british prime minister david cameron from an aggressive punishment of offenders after the riots in the u.k. and it looks like that's being realised police have now charged one thousand people for crimes related to the riots but there's one sentence in particular that stands out as completely overboard and which is getting a lot of critique from civil rights advocates to men in their twenty's jordan blackshaw and perry sutcliffe keenan have each been given a four year long sentence for creating facebook pages that incited riots now this

despite the fact that the page created by black shot called snatch down in north which town resulted in nobody showing up for the so-called riot except for the police and sutcliffe keenan's case he drunkenly created with rage and then took it down the next morning so again no riot occurred and the judge who made this ruling called the facebook plotting. a evil act and said that he hoped a harsh sentence would be a deterrent to would be writers but too harsh sentences like this actually deter anyone or they only create more aggression and how do we look at the crackdown of both the u.k. and the u.s. don't forget the bar shut down cell phone service last week all in preparation for a protest are these two western nations so-called free speech advocates showing their true colors joining me from our studio in los angeles is an experienced host of the young turks university and thanks so much for joining us tonight now before we talk about the case in terms of bart shutting down cell phone service let's first start with the u.k. and first start with this sentence of for here is for creating

a facebook page that didn't even result in a riots do you think that's a little bit overboard oh it's beyond overboard and i think it's a perfect example of the knee jerk reaction we always talk about that's why you have zero tolerance policies in the united states you have officials that overreact and they overreact because they want to pass rules and regulations that deter other people from doing something that they're uncomfortable with and easy with in this case what these two twenty year olds did was didn't even cause an issue it didn't cause any violence they didn't incite violence no one showed up to the protest the page was taken down the following morning there was no issue there was no problem they didn't do anything criminal and they should not serve four years in prison for it that's four years out of their lives for something they didn't even cause a problem now the judge said specifically that he hopes that this will be a deterrent right that he wanted to make an example out of these two individuals but do you think of that really works you know if you look at statistics or just

thinking about the way that young people work these days you know is that only going to lead to more aggression more people becoming motivated the longing to go to facebook and create more pages. there was actually a study done recently that shows that the more you try to censor people and the more that you try to take away their rights the more aggressive they feel and the more violent they feel violent is the keyword here so you know in the case of bart which we're going to talk about a little later you have officials that are censoring people or you know charging people with several years in prison for something that is nonviolent and is not criminal people get really angry and aggressive about it and they lash out in violent ways and i think that that's what we're going to see in the future if this type of censorship and this type of intimidation continues to occur by authorities now you know let's bring up the bar issue here of course because there this was actually people protesting and reacting to violence that was conducted you know by the police there were two killings in the last two years and so in order to prevent

a protest from actually happening they ended up shutting down cell phone service i mean you maginnis that kind of thing becomes the norm yes the f.c.c. is investigating it but what if they start doing that all the time i guess the other night said what if somebody wants to gather in some kind of a square and hold the protest they're just going to turn off cell phone service for a couple of blocks what does that say about freedom of speech here. it says that freedom of speech is not valued by authorities especially when you have a group protesting and opposing something that you've done so in the case of the bart officials they didn't like the fact that people were using social media to mobilize others to protest something that bart officials did which was shoot and kill a forty five year old homeless man who did absolutely nothing you know people who were witnesses of guy k. said that the homeless man was not fighting back did not pose a threat to police and police officer shot and killed him anyway and people wanted to come and protest that situation and the reaction by the guard officials it

almost proves that they knew that they were wrong in that particular case because why are you so afraid of the protests now the guard official said that the reason why they did that was because they were afraid that the protests would be violent but you have to have something needs to be an imminent threat in order for you to violate someone's first amendment right in this case they were just predicting that there could be violence from the protests you don't violate people's freedom of speech because there could be a threat of violence so i think that this is horrible i think that part of officials should definitely serve consequences for this because the whole reason why this country is known for its freedom and for its democracy is because people have the right to protest and hold public officials accountable for something that they disagree with you can't have public officials stop and prevent protests from happening and this is that's exactly what happened with the barkers we i you know talked about this before and he was how do you think that they make

a distinction right if we bring a both cases here for talk about the u.k. what's going on and we talk about the u.s. i mean hillary clinton has launched initiatives talking about the need for internet freedom in other countries as they watch the arab spring unfold in the u.k. also of course was supporting it and then once the riots on the streets you had prime minister david cameron coming out and talking about the idea of shutting down some of these social media tools like twitter and like facebook for some of the riders i didn't hear hillary clinton come out and speak out then i haven't heard anybody in the administration what barak did in say that it was wrong either. i agree with you i mean it's very curious that hillary clinton was quick to criticize and condemn hosni mubarak after you know he tried to take social media away from the protesters why is it that hillary clinton is not speaking out against guard officials that the exact same thing i find that curious and very strange but you know i think that we as people should look at this situation take it seriously and

hold court accountable for it i know the a.c.l.u. is thinking about investigating the case and possibly bringing charges against part i hope that they do pursue that i think it's important in order to protect our first amendment rights but you know hillary clinton you cannot go and look at other countries and criticize them while the same exact thing is happening in your own country now you know you and i obviously seem to agree on this like you mentioned the a.c.l.u. is going to be looking into it but there was actually a survey that was done by survey usa and we have some thinkers here they asked did gart do the right thing or the wrong thing when it came to shutting down cell phone service and fifty eight percent of the respondents here actually said that they did the right thing they also as if shutting down service violated anybody's rights and sixty two of those who respond it's said no so while you and i find this to be completely outrageous there's actually a segment of the population the doesn't and thinks it's ok who do you think those people are i think those are people who didn't feel affected by the situation

involving the bart official shooting a shooting and killing the homeless man i don't think that it particularly touched them or move them in any way i would argue that those same people would be very angry of government officials trampled on their first amendment right if they wanted to protest something that they felt very passionate about and i think you know. bart officials did something that is so egregious and completely conflicts with our democracy they're get you know they're violating our first amendment rights even if you don't believe that the bart officials did anything wrong with charles hill which was the homeless man that was killed you have to look at it in in terms of our first amendment rights and you have to look at how this might set an example for future protests are government officials going to have the ability to do this in the future if bard officials are left off the hook here or left out you know completely you know let go in this case and i really hope that they're not

i hope they serve consequences and i hope that americans wake up come on we're supposed to be able to be politically active without being intimidated by officials this is scary stuff and people need to wake up and realize it and that's you know perhaps the unfortunate thing to when we see these poll results here from survey usa is. more of the attitude of the having to be tough on crime more of the post nine eleven world where you better be safe you know and you give up your freedoms in order to do that but it shows that some people's attitudes i think are very subdued about this at the moment and just really quick this was handed to me during the interview to there's also another case of ethics where police are going to be charging a man over a lot of fight that he planned on blackberry messenger that's also going on in the u.k. so it's not just about rioting it's not just about facebook they're really going after everybody is a fight that somebody planned and i want to thank you so much for joining. being particularly. all right coming up we have a snap a picture of a subway or

a bridge while you're on vacation like you can take care of an infrastructure could draw the attention for relief and jobs plans euro crisis meetings and it all little too late good twenty eleven turning to a sequel in two thousand and eight but this time the crisis will be bigger and longer and without any of the magical bailouts as our next gas card it's. getting some good to see the story and it seems so for like sleep you think you understand it and then something else here's some other part of it and realized everything you thought you knew you don't know i'm charged as a big. dog . and you know.

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taking pictures of america's infrastructure of crime if you remember a while back we told you how the maryland transit authority detained a man who took pictures of a train just listen as christopher fossil talked to an m.t.a. officer about whether or not he could fill that public property. here in the hearing room there are three pictures. now from the super. bowl you. know before. the state of here. and now since maryland is one of the few states that doesn't let you film police

officers i guess they figured hey why not ban filming infrastructure and public transportation as well well turns out the baltimore isn't the only place where you can't point a lens at public property anymore police in long beach california are now stopping photographers from taking pics with quote no apparent a static value back in june and individuals snapping a photo of a refinery for the long beach post when the camera man it was detained by a local police officer and the press confronted the police department about the issue chief jim mcdonald confirmed that detaining photographers is within their policy apparently as part of l.a.p.d. as a special order number eleven which details suspicious activity reports and the policy reads that the l.a.p.d. should make every effort to accurately and appropriately gather record and analyze information of a criminal or non-criminal nature that could indicate activity or intentions related to either foreign or domestic terrorism so law enforcement catch somebody trying to take pictures they want to make sure that they're not collecting data on

local infrastructure to commit acts of terrorism and the criteria to determine whether or not images are filmed have no apparent value or of the person has talked taking part in criminal activity that's all left up to each officer to decide for himself so it's not as wonderful or giving carson california the author or it to decide which pictures you take are see a nuff. seriously what about the fact that most for talk of hers enjoy snapping images of broken down buildings and decaying cool looking places like refineries when i think that we all have a few hipster friends on facebook who love posting those pics on their well i would want all of the tourists that are armed with cameras and automatically assume that anybody with a camera is attempting to come up with an elaborate plan to engage in terrorism well those are just a symptom of our overzealous post nine eleven police state i understand and the department of homeland security has a job to do but we can't just automatically assume that any for tog or for out there is a terrorist at this rate i'm pretty sure that all the hipsters in l.a.

will be locked up in no time so i just ask the l.a.p.d. to reconsider their approach let's take our papers and b.s. and stop treating us like criminals for just existing i mean who else is going to pay attention to all that crumbling infrastructure. now today president obama announced that after labor day he will be announcing a brand new jobs plan with recommendations for the super committee on how to cut even more than the minimum of one point two trillion dollars and german chancellor angela merkel and french president nicolas sarkozy are working on solving the euro zone's debt crisis and yet they haven't announced anything if it measures and they have said that a rescue fund or a common bond issuance can wait so is there time to wait are these meetings these announcements these plans are they all better late than never or are we on our way to a sequel of the financial crisis of two thousand and eight when they can't be stopped joining me to discuss this as economic analyst gonzalo lira and all i want to thank you for joining us tonight i'm using your words there you're saying you predicted

it in fact in a blog post that you wrote that we're about to have another global financial crisis a sequel but bigger or longer and uncut how are you so sure you could and could buy bailouts thank you for your show by the way. we have the structure the same problem that we had and she chose an aig which is we have a financial system. the article. but in two thousand it was of course the mortgage backed securities and other studios commercial and residential whereas now we have sovereign debt now the sovereign debt the european sovereign debt of course is at the center of the problems that we're seeing in europe the original sin if you will of europe was that they allowed each country to issue their own debt and yet they had a common currency so of course they didn't have a unified fiscal policy whereby debts and taxes were all centrally collected like in the united states of course you had each country issuing its own debt and so basically what happened is that you have disgraced credit score and i have

a crappy credit score but i get to have a credit card in your name and i go out and spend it on i want and of course you wind up paying the bill this is basically what happened between germany and france to a lesser extent and the pigs portugal ireland italy greece and spain they went out on france's and germany's credit card and spent to the eyeballs and of course there were other structural issues whereby you have the german economies are more advanced and far more efficient than the portuguese or italian or spanish economies and b.'s economies were left behind as it were creating an imbalance of trade but since you have a common currency the stresses of it would inevitably lead to a breakup and that's what we're seeing today we're seeing these countries that are over indebted we see the banking sector in germany and especially france people aren't talking enough. about the french banking sector about how weak it is and also of course the belgian being insecure i'm looking at you next year bank but i'll these european banks are in deep trouble because they have all these bonds now

these bonds just like in two thousand and eight are toxic they are the toxic assets of two thousand levels but of course in two thousand and eight. and he said money printing of huey one total about two point two trillion dollars now that's a lot of money of course but you know you look at it it's basically about fifteen percent of european g.d.p. now we're going to let me let me interrupt you for one second now if i think i know you are going with us but. the pigs and we're going to talk about the european banking system is there any way this point that they could bail them out you know this is something that could happen because you specifically say that there isn't there isn't going to be any hollywood ending this time and that we're not going to see a bailout but you know for some reason angela merkel and sarkozy are saying that we can wait. they're dreaming i mean i don't know about you best up believing in santa claus when i was about nine or ten years old i regret to say not is not any younger

than that there's nobody that isn't a save us there's no santa claus there's no hollywood ending there's no bailouts because they're simply too big to bail out i mean you're talking money vitaly commie is roughly two thirds sixty percent actually sixty two percent actually of the german economy you can't bail him out it's too big ok so the only way that the that these countries can solve their horrible sign our fiscal situation is by exit in the euro going back to a local currency and devaluing so that their exports become competitive and they can recover that's the only exit for the weaker economies know what a holding time you know how how is that going to affect us. thousand and eight of course it just hit america then it then trickle down and affected the entire global economy so where europe are through this what's going to look like for america it's cold look ugly i mean the first bank that's going to go down the tube is bank of america because of its credit fought swap exposure to the european debt american

banks don't own a lot of sovereign debt the actual dawns but they have derivatives exposure and it's huge i mean for the fact timothy geithner made sure that ireland did not its all this past december precisely because of the in direct exposure of bank of america and j.p. morgan these banks go a lot of money if there is a default in europe so if there is a crash here i mean leaving aside the issue of course that if say dexia or societe generale or any credit that is due respect if belgian french and italian banks are in trouble if any one of those banks cheats lehman brothers. that knock on effect a domino effect the american banks will be catastrophic will be just as bad as lehman so you know the american banking system is going to suffer. huge ok and if you american banking system suffers huge well then you can have a problem of the treasury department in the in the shape of timothy geithner and the federal reserve in the shape of ben from nikki who are going to go out and try

to apply the same medicine she doesn't have and that they're tied in two thousand and eight and of course that medicine didn't work because it's going to be bigger this is what happens when you kick the can down the road instead of you know standing still and taking the hit in two thousand and eight they decide to kick the can down the road by way of putting lots and by way of monetary easing that is the zero interest rate policy as well as q e one and also by the suspension of the counting rules specifically fasti one sixty seven which is a key issue that not enough people are talking about that's the rule whereby banks can basically mark to whatever they think that particular asset is worth now all these things were done so as to not have to take the hit in two thousand and eight two thousand and nine and i'm here we are two years later and the problem is bigger we kick the can down the road and you know instead of having private debts as we had in two thousand and eight now we have sovereign jets because what happened was that all these people took these private debts and socialize them when i say all

these people i'm talking about both the american. financial towers that be as it were at the treasury department and the federal reserve as well as the european people the european finance mystery's the european central bank and the european commission they took on these socialize all these bad debts they click sickly or explicitly guaranteed all the banks and so now the banks are bigger they are sicker they have bigger exposures so when you have another crisis it's going to be worse this is what happens when you kick the can down the road this is the position we're in now and our system of course is no more transparent is now more regulated to frank i have a good example of that bad i think you know not only ways that's out there saying this right now and yet we still have all the officials saying that they're going away that they have plans to go on rail at some point in time and i think that a lot would rather avoid right now that's all i want to thank you for joining. as

for being on stage. now when we return we have our when fate isn't of use that it i regret it also ahead defense cuts but that still calls for some leaders have to deal with these budget and now there's a threat of larger cuts that's false but will the military industrial complex ever allow meaningful cuts to defense programs every dive into written. into it over military mechanisms they don't work to bring justice or. i have every right to know what my government would you want to know why i pay taxes. what i would characterize the wal-mart as they care was made. of american exceptionalism. you know sometimes you see a story that seems so foolish.