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but going to the lower show i look at the real headlines with none of them are see me live in washington d.c. now it's not going to speak with gary johnson former governor of new mexico and presidential candidate for twenty twelve he's been left out of all the recent televised debates held by the cable networks so we're going to find out why then president obama announced yesterday the department of homeland security is going to review three hundred thousand deportation cases this after a record number of people were deported last year so is this a glimmer of hope for immigration reform or still not enough and we've heard a lot about the dangers of china getting their hands on photographs and samples of
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the stealth helicopter left behind the raid to get osama bin laden but how much does that actually matter david x. is going to tell us we have all that and more for tonight including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at what the mainstream media has decided to make. so president obama fresh off of his non campaigning bus tour is now on vacation in martha's vineyard and just like any other time of the president does something normal like play golf or eat a burger the mainstream media has gone absolutely crazy over it fox news in particular of course because according them anything that obama does is wrong. for the third summer in a row president obama and his family are returning to martha's vineyard for vacation at the pricey blue here in farm in chill barajas officials contend that the president is not really going vacation that americans won't begrudge him time with his family but still there the folks are questioning is this the right time
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today the president is expected to arrive on the upper class island tomorrow for an extended vacation full of golf family biking fancy food friends. i mean while the u.s. economy is still shagging. all right here's my issue with this first artist of the president is going on vacation a big i hardly think that five days away from the white house where he's still going to be surrounded by his staff is still getting calls and updates all day long as advisors and whoever else i don't think that so on except a bill i find most absurd about this though is the media acting like these are the moments that define this white house let's be honest here five days isn't going to change anything if obama were in washington for those five days he said he wouldn't be creating more jobs he still wouldn't be getting the economy off the ground or ending our wars or closing guantanamo bay there is so much if you choose to cover it if you choose to pick up on it to point to areas reasons for why this president
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is failing or not living up to his promises and it's something i do here every day you call him out on his record you call him out on his flip flops on saying that whistleblowers are grave and should be protected while campaigning and then waging aggressive war against them when in office on criticizing the bush administration for not adhering to the rule of law while campaigning and then doing nothing to bring them to justice for that wrongdoing and instead of circumventing that rule of law even more when you get into office how about getting us into a war without congressional approval formal indefinite detention policies assassination list with american citizens on them pushing course to dismantle the need for warrants in many cases and then when it comes to the economy to budget cuts call him out but he acts like his hands have been tied it's the president who put social security and medicare on the table it wasn't because he was forced to by republicans it's because he believes that that is the right thing to do and that austerity is the way to get out of a recession now those are really just a few minor examples but those are real examples pose
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a real reasons to criticize to publicize incessantly cover what he's doing but you know tara car is a little research of memory and ability to see things in big picture form and that's something the mainstream media continues. and that's because let's face it they'd rather be reporting from martha's vineyard to you instead of sitting at a computer on the phone doing research connecting the dots and seeing what a president actual policies are. now since the ames straw poll and she or he debate in iowa we've heard a lot about the lack of media coverage directed towards congressman ron paul but at least at a spot on the stage and name on the ballot let's not forget that there are other candidates out there who are being ignored almost entirely by the best example of that being a guest that we've had on this program before gary johnson former governor of new mexico and republican candidate for president of the united states governor johnson
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has done us the honor of coming back on the program tonight so we can catch up on his campaign the race for the white house in general and the continually worsening situation when it comes to the economy governor thanks so much for coming back on now last time we spoke you didn't get invited to take part in the c.n.n. poll right and i'm the guy on the bubble and somebody is going to be on the bubble so you know i'm used to invite you to their stores no not on the next person that would have been invited. to stop complaining it is what it is and you know there are one hundred eighty four unknowns candidates for president and if you could argue that i'm number nine on the republican ticket right now. ok with it is that good that's good enough for you to be number nine to be the guiding tell me that on this baby ideas to win and so our strategy my strategy is to work new hampshire really hard to do well in new hampshire so from here i'm headed to new hampshire for the next nine days and really it's about saying the right things and it's about having
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a resume that would suggest that in my case what i'm talking about that i would actually have i would actually endeavor to do what it is that i'm talking about but what do you think it is that makes you be ignored exactly right is literally very low. it sounds it's a poll deal the fact. that one or two percent i think is really irrelevant i think that what the polls show right now is that there is no front runner and when you're at one or two percent like i am and i am statistically the least known republican that's different than being known by all republicans and having virtually the same . the same poll numbers which there are others that fit in that category so a lot of bright spots here you know i'm not going to mum's i'm going to stop complaining ok would you think that maybe some people consider you a threat maybe your ideas are too outlandish too far out there for the establishment oh no i don't there is no conspiracy here this is
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strictly a poll numbers thing polls in my opinion right now are overwhelmingly saying there is no front runner at all and if you look like i said one two percent that's really it's meaningless it just says that nobody knows who you are if everybody knew who i was and i was a level you know what i should get out and that would make a problem if you were to call and say you've been trying so hard and pumping so much money into television campaigns and still not getting any results perhaps that's why there are i think there are others that fit in the same category what about i want to ask you about the libertarian vote i just wonder because i feel like we've seen a number of developments recently for example there was a woman who works for a reason not to seen who was on fox news and she dare criticize ron paul and the backlash was immediate and the backlash was incredibly strong people were calling for her to be fired and i just wonder if there is this type of attitude within the libertarian politics that you dare not say anything negative about ron paul who is
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treated as the messiah and i wonder if your voters in your supposed hers supporters would be considered as the train ron paul oh i don't i don't believe in at all i mean this is a movement this is about the message. and i think it's a message better delivered by two than just one and it's got to grow it's got to grow to the forty percent range to actually be in a position to govern and so i am in this to win the nomination and like i say to do that it has to grow and better two voices than one ok so now let's get to how you would govern if you were to be voted into governor let's look at the situation in the economy right now it's obviously not getting any better what would you do that congress might actually vote for in terms of economic policy all right forget about congress whether or not they're going to vote for it or not here's what we have to do we have to balance the budget we can't spend more money than what we take in and i think that we should scrap the entire tax system that we have and replace it with
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the fair tax which for those watching if you haven't been or haven't looked at the fair tax it's fair tax dollar work it's been around for a long time but it all polishes all federal taxes that would be the federal corporate income tax that's the personal income tax that's the i.r.s. that's fica withholding that's medicare withholding. is unemployment insurance withholding all those things no more replace it with one federal consumption tax that would reboot the american economy to literally create tens of millions of jobs in this country overnight because why would you start up grow nurture a business anywhere other than the united states if if the corporate tax were zero you and i was talking about this before turns out that many of the largest corporations in this country don't really pay any income tax right because they hire these massively so they decided no this is all there is about either is what
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do you think this is all so angry this is what makes us all so angry is that it's not fair so we'll be fair is there a percent knows that i know that everybody into you know but the fair tax rate fair tax a good twenty twenty. well it's not me that has proposed this been around for quite some time but by all free market economists reckoning this is the real fair way to go about this it's fair as it as is implied by the name and it's very simple a twenty three percent consumption tax on all goods and services new goods and services and that replaces all other taxes that would be revenue neutral so we we still need to cut government spending by forty three percent to balance the budget but it's also estimated that contained within all goods and services is a twenty three percent imbedded tax in all goods and services so that after a short amount of time you would actually believe that twenty three percent out of
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goods and services and this would end up being really neutral when it came to prices let's hit what you just said you still believe that we need to cut all federal spending by forty three percent that is of of a massive cut right that's almost fifty percent of government spending well that actually look like if something like that were to be implemented how do you describe that to americans who are already having a hard time who already don't have jobs who can't get hired if they've been on you're going to get in this situation is going to get worse for americans i know mine that i was going if i were writing of greater incentive government spending somebody is going to suffer from that well we're all suffering from the fact that we have to pay for this and we can't pay for it we're we're facing in my opinion a monetary collapse it's going to be a bond market collapse and it's going to be due to the fact that very simply there's no repaying fourteen trillion dollars in debt if we're going to rack up another eleven trillion over the next three years look it's not possible so the federal government is going to end up the federal reserve is going to end up
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printing money to cover all of our obligation effectively monetizing the debt oh effectively devaluing our dollar even further to. point that the dollars that you and i have in the bank may not be worth a thing i don't know what about what about those that don't necessarily have a lot of dollars in the bank to begin with right because everyone is not really paying and suffering right now in the same way you see c.e.o.'s on wall street. getting record bonus so why not a time around when i'm going to play unemployment benefits that are on welfare that need government programs for help none none of these are going to go away so those aren't part of the forty three percent what goes into the well being of the forty three percent we need to cut medicaid and medicare by forty three percent i am arguing that the federal government could block grant the states a fixed amount of money forty three percent less than what we're currently spending and do a good job of delivering health care to the poor and those over sixty five if we
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don't do this so a little i think we're left with nothing better something than nothing and in this case give it to the states fifty laboratories of innovation fifty laboratories of best practice i maintain there would be best practice i mean team that we would make this work as opposed to washington top down which has us bankrupt which has us in a position where we're all going to be left with nothing we're going to have to push the wheelbarrow down to the local mart to get a loaf of bread and that has happened in the history of mankind and we're not exempt from that same outcome so close part about this is that we can fix this we can fix this it's doable but we've got to do it and we have to do it now do you see of course if you look at the markets right now if you look at the debt crisis going on in europe this is also a banking system globally that's very enter twined and so what happens if europe does go under right now do you see. a repeat of two thousand and eight happening now in two thousand and eleven or already to places i see what happened in two
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thousand and eight pale in comparison to what looms and yes this may be the trigger this may be upon us now i just argue we have an opportunity. here to fix it the more time we wait the less time we have to fix this and it's not going to be a controlled situation it's going to be no appetite for for government because there's no ability for the government to pay it back except to print that money and who's going to want the dollars if they're not worth anything well in the meantime people are still running through the dollars right people are still running to treasuries because for the moment those seem like a safe havens and of course gold i want to switch because i'm running out of time very quickly to foreign policy questions for starters new secretary of defense leon panetta announced that apparently iraq has now said they would like our troops to say past the withdrawal date of the agreement that's the. surprise when i when you
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say make of the fact that we're going to let them stay we've been asking them to let us keep keep getting out of iraq and afghanistan and libya tomorrow and let's just do it we can't continue to nation build we have the same needs here in this country and. just say that for all the debate and discussion we would have over the problems resulting from getting out of iraq and afghanistan tomorrow i just suggest we'll have the same conversation the same debate twenty five years from now if that's when we finally decide to get out and it looks like we're more on that path than we are getting out more and i want to ask you one more thing to you yesterday we saw president obama come out and say that he is calling for for assad to step down in syria there's going to be a new round of sanctions and here that we cannot and we should not impose our intervene there although we did the exact same thing in libya and you and i have spoken about this before but when you see these very blatant contradictions and when we choose to intervene when we choose not to do you think that america still
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has a moral are already in the same way but we don't you know we've we've we've listened to you with our actions we model in other countries affairs that i would argue we should not be modeling it. now you talk about getting out of wars right and that obviously would cut defense spending and a very massive wave at the same time we have these new weapons programs weapons systems that are being developed all the time contracts the end up taking thirty years to develop that are constantly running over budget there is a grip that military contractors have on washington how would you tackle that we do need to cut military spending by forty three percent of the operative notion is that can we provide a strong national defense for a country and do that by cutting military spending by forty three percent i think the key word here is defense yes we can but no more often it's no more nation
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building. that's anything but what we've been doing for decades and decades and decades are coming to wrap it up but i want to thank you very much for being here thank you. you are so much more to come on tonight shell your details are emerging about the helicopter that was blown up by the bin laden raid in pakistan so did the chinese get a glimpse of a chopper and if so how much of that actually matter for you to look into at the. internet only at military mechanisms if you don't work how to bring justice or accountability. i have every right to know what my government should do if you want to know why i pay taxes. i would characterize obama as a charismatic version of american exceptionalism. you
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know sometimes you see a story and it seems so sorely asleep you think you understand it and then a glimpse something else here sees some other part of it and realize that everything you saw you don't know i'm trying hard look at the big picture. let's not forget that we had an apartheid regime right. i think iraq may be the one to well. whatever government says they're going to keep him safe get ready because if you give them your freedom.
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for fuel. now aside from the souring of relations with pakistan there was another major concern after the raid that took out osama bin laden and his compound then it got about the pieces of a stealth copter which had been blown up an abandoned at the rate of years worth of those like in the wrong hands so the civically that pakistan would let china take a look at last week the financial times of war to the chinese were in fact allowed
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to photograph the helicopter and even take samples of the stealth skin before it was returned to the u.s. or the outcry from the typical war hawks has been allowed on the report of course has been used to push for continuous defense spending so that china's military can't get ahead but how big of a deal is it really if the chinese saw pictures or took samples how much of that information is already readily available and of china got the samples were they know what to do with them joining me to discuss this is david x. reporter for wired stranger of give i want to thank you for joining us tonight and now i know that you just got back from a long trip to china we're going to get into what you saw there but first let's start with this. helicopter or at least the pieces of it now when this attack went down when the pictures came out and it was realized after it had been blown up there were remnants how big of a shock was that i mean was it more of a shock that oh my gosh the u.s. actually had sold helicopters or that hey we have a functioning on. right that we had a functioning one was the surprise we've known the average.
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observer of military developments is known for about a decade maybe even longer that that the technology existed but most of us thought it was in the strictly experimental failings and that in fact it had been abandoned years ago as being impractical all right so let's walk through this step by step we're going to get to the samples but first if it was only a picture as that were given to the chinese or if they were allowed to take pictures of the tail of the stealth helicopter is that a big deal i mean by this point the whole world has seen pictures and newspapers are online right. right is a big deal well the the true secret of stealth isn't really a secret at all is the shaping of the vehicles what makes it's healthy to read or whether it's a helicopter or a jet or or whatever so photographs of it if if the engineers in question didn't
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understand still seeing photographs of the exterior of an aircraft could help clue them in thing is though that the united states unveiled its first stealth aircraft decades ago the f one seventeen and the b. two stealth bomber so the general shaping principles from stealth have been widely known for a very long time so seeing this particular wreckage didn't teach the chinese anything they didn't already know. the the it's knowing how to shape a stealth vehicles not the hard part it's it's managing the production of use things and putting it putting them into service and integrating them into your military system that's what's art everyone knows how to shape an aircraft to the radar still the that's really not the hard part ok before then what if we go with this report from the financial times they're spending our times also reported on that the chinese are in fact allowed to take samples of the stealth scan albertans that.
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that depends we don't know exactly how works aspect of the skin might be stealthy it's possible there was a special paint used to absorb heat so that the aircraft didn't give off an infrared signature we're not really sure about that but again i wouldn't worry this technology is not that all the cat was out of the bag back in the ninety's the united states lost an f one seventeen stealth fighter over serbia and the wreckage from that your craft wound up in chinese hands that was when the chinese you know gained access to some of the secrets of stealth that we were trying to protect so you know we if we burn that bridge we begin to get. the wreckage of his helicopter doesn't teach him a thing that it didn't already know ok now i want to go to your trip from china now you said that what you reported on while you were there isn't anything that you could have reported on from any other or isn't anything that you couldn't have
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reported on from another location but let's just talk about what you saw and what you observed in terms of china and terms of their military buildup their naval buildup is there anything that you learned there is now there is a public knowledge so far. well jennifer news is working vacation so it wasn't really i wasn't trying to draw conclusions about the rise of china chinese military developments but i mean i gained impressions that i think helped shape my views china has some serious underlying quality control issues that are why we know you see glimpses of it in news that doesn't leak out into the wider world and you know we're not sure what the implications of those are going to be what between burning highrises and high speed train crashes and food safety issues in an alleged nuclear accident on the last few months or is it over the last few years that's indicative of. some serious faults in chinese engineering and construction
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and management and regulation and how deeply moved problems are going to undermine the chinese economy and the chinese wrong as i don't think we quite know yet i think it could take something truly catastrophic to break the will of the parties for information in china to show the world truly how dysfunctional china can be now really quickly do you think they're having a bit of a problem when it comes to our own weapons systems we have a whole stealth plane grounded right after twenty two of the f. thirty five you know do we need to start focusing more on how we're building things and the quality of it oh yeah that cuts both ways quality control is a problem united states as well i would just argue that china's or a bigger by an order of magnitude our data want to thank you so much for joining us tonight and of course well see there is where you know a lot of outcry from all those people that say that china is our next threat or any to keep building up our military and that's why this is so important but at the end
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of the day maybe some secrets are allowed out maybe not we don't know but thanks so much. budweiser. now let's turn our attention to syria yesterday we told you about president obama's call for syrian president bashar al assad his stack down from his position of leadership as well as the announcement of sanctions if as we point out the president's rhetoric and his statement the no outside power can or should impose on this transition it was quite different when we heard just months earlier from the very same administration and regards to libya so all the domestic media paints a very simple story of the masses rising up against bashar al assad perhaps obama has learned intervention into foreign civil conflicts isn't always as black and white as it seems and if so when all the u.s. media learned that very same lesson they seem all too happy to simply regurgitate whatever the u.s. government's official stance is without any skepticism without any analysis and it turns out that all those vast ideological differences between say fox and c.n.n.
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or m s n b c they tend to disintegrate when it comes to foreign policy ox news is happy to rail against the evil of without even having a reporter on the ground c.n.n. brings on dissident after dissident to drum up international support for intervention and the best part of the us media's coverage of syria is that simply par for the course whether iraq bosnia or libya it's always the same so must be nice for the u.s. government to know that when it comes to the sides or when it comes to intervening either economically or militarily in a foreign country they can always count on the u.s. media to have its back artie's very unfortunate takes us to the war torn country with the latest. the city over there is sort of maybe liberated but in the last few days it suffered a brutal occupation and in my family's eyes bandits plot their rights put up barricades it became a case city were hiding there was just like hostages for more than a week claim to be army fought against armed groups that had taken control of the city and had been terrorizing its residents. soldiers of the syrian army i live in
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the city of the iraqi border measure officials are saying operation is now over that the city has been freed from armed groups as you can see people are welcome in the soldiers as the waiters but in other parts of the country the troops little assad's officials crackdown are far less welcome in a similar offensive against so-called terrorists in the coastal city of latakia the opposition claims government troops killed almost four to civilians while human rights groups report the number of deaths in the country could be almost as high as two thousand some say assad is simply using his army to silence peaceful demonstrators across the country over. the syrian army hasn't met any resistance in the cities across the country were. maybe there was some so-called bandits among the protestors and maybe they use the momentum to spread carrots but if so where
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have they been when the army. armed groups is just a theory invented by the state they have an excuse in the cities. in new liberated there is or life seems gotten back to normal and markets reopened and roads just days ago were empty again filled with cars but reminders of the recent struggles on still hard to find and the most obvious one is fear. syria. well still to come tonight everyone's favorite tea partiers caused another media ruckus after she bailed on an interview with piers morgan is going to give you all the details in tonight's poll times that went down the obama administration hold the records for deportations of undocumented immigrants now looks like they're trying to change that policy but is it enough to have peace with hispanic population that's next.

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