tv [untitled] August 22, 2011 2:00pm-2:30pm EDT
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breaking news this hour rebels claim to control the libyan capital after a major nato pact in france and there are reports of kind of gadhafi sons have been captured by the opposition but the location of the libyan leader is a. journalist in tripoli reports come far near the hotel saying reports of overnight looting of houses in the capital has left him feeling unsafe. opposition supporters rejoice over the forty year old regime is nearing a dead end but skeptics point to be this illusion on the part of the form of egypt's dictator. and the international reaction ranges from euphoria to right caution amid concern over the next unstable rebel government torn apart by competing interests.
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international news live from r.t. here in moscow is just one ten pm and eight pm in tripoli and said we're breaking news this hour the fast moving developments there in libya rebels say they now control most of tripoli and have taken libya's state t.v. channels. and some reports suggest opposition fighters have been looting private houses to going after his sons and are thought to be in rebel hands with a third it's reported having escaped house arrest opposition leaders say a large number of their fighters have been killed and there are reports of heavy fighting around gadhafi compound but the whereabouts of the colonel are not and nato insisted to continue combat air patrols until all government forces surrender following a night of chaos in the capital crowds have been seen in tripoli central square waving revenues from the. what general theory miso he's founder and
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chairman of online newspaper the voltaire network is in the rixos hotel in tripoli and told me just a little earlier that nato forces are doing everything to back up the rebels. now in the short answer is no more the leaders of countries. on the earth but only solace in fight the ok because you know from the u.s. you only fellow journalists are told only. in the cause of journalism so they still try to keep the old. we totally free city and no food and we have some medium fighters inside to protect us against us. the utterly surrounded by the tribes slow to prevent the entrance of. the chimney to lose
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a lot of. ground to the specially exceptional those would be counteroffensive for a while for and. from. which part of. the night. nato is bombing the places. that we. because we believe to shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels and of industry. there are reports of gunfire near the libya tunisia border at the moment and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the fierce fighting between pro and and economic forces not a correspond as is the border with the latest. there has been rather intense fighting in prison simply to the end rebel forces just in from or from the border with tunisia in which out of the march before their average in libya until we have
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been in sort of a degree is a plate over the past five months people have been drinking people either because they have very good like what's going on you know if it's introduced actually now with these forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli . sound to get even more confusing now people who murdered every site near the border on the eastern side say that over the past couple of weeks here we have to clashes between unidentified are now and again we can go to. the over say that. there have been sightings of numerous close loaded with armed people reportedly reportedly being for it was a license plate so it's hard to identify exactly who those people were in a question which were fleet earlier today even for trolls. government spirits
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have not been asleep. i just watched this already to see to believe some of the gunmen on the inside might have wanted. the members of the european union of once again cooling is that you to relinquish power over the ongoing assault on tripoli is fading replaced by concern the new government may not have the authority needed to bring and maintain peace and also use i've appended he's following the reaction from london. the prime minister david cameron is very confident that this is the beginning of the end he said that he is on his way out he's recently just been on the phone to the leader of the national transitional council mustapha. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and that's going to transition to this new democratic leadership at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month will stay there for as long as it takes
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a quote an open ended response to that question if there is some uncertainty tempering the jubilation around the rebels presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain has said it's prepared to release them for the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilize the there is an answer and here's who those who go to and how they'll be used also uncertainty around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said they for the time being will remain in place over libya and will be lifted when the time is right and finally to get down to where is he. is still unknown and britain stance has changed once again about on that issue prime minister saying this morning that his future will be in the hands of the rebels themselves to begin with when the campaign started six months ago he was saying that gadhafi must go then they changed tack about a month ago saying that he can stay in the country so long as he stands down but
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living in exile now there seems to be washing their hands of it once again saying that it will be in the hands of the rebels in libya potentially precarious state this is a post limbo and we've been here of course before with iraq when mistakes were made and like iraq and libya sits on a great deal of oil wealth so that really complicates the issue considerably unlike iraq however there is this foundation for a new government already in place that is recognized around you they already have in that. mission here in london but already the british press is quite skeptical of their ability to govern democratically saying that there are there is potential for infighting a lot of interest. there reporting in london well for more now on the future of post good happy libya and what the future holds for the conflict or nation i'm joined by oliver miles is a former u.k. ambassador to libya he's joining us live there in lots of thanks very much indeed for being with us now of course we all know that gadhafi has ruled with an hour ago
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for more than four decades tolerating no opposition or dissent now the transitional council obviously wants to reform the way the country is run but does it really had the experience to do that. no it doesn't. nobody in libya has any experience of political or civil society because gadhafi ruthlessly raised all activities from the mario's it was called. but as against that i think that it's interesting you know if you think about the people who are in the transitional national council they've been running a large part of libya now for several months and they've been doing so quite successfully the been one very serious blot on the record which is the killing of the military commander general abdul fatah us which is still already explained. but with that exception they've been able to provide a decent level of security and
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a decent level of the essential of life food water electricity for populations you know in a very very difficult war situation where they've been deprived of any financial assets by u.n. sanctions by you and by the by the u.n. security council resolution so i don't think we should write them off as an experience doing a lot of stories i wanted to interrupt this quite a few points i want to ask you about but do you think you mentioned that they be able to maintain decent levels of security but at the moment now we're going to see thousands of. euphoric and all men running amok in libya so it looks like is that not a very dangerous situation for the start of a new era. yes it is very dangerous i agree that our first priority must be must be security in tripoli and in any other areas where trial liberated from the gadhafi regime and they know that and they have they say they put in hand the best possible arrangements in advance to deal with that they've had their own agency in the last
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few days before the gadhafi forces were were eliminated or seem to be liberated year that story and they've also set up a committee with task with just the role of security and providing water and electricity and so on but we've seen they can do it we'll see that's it whether they can do it because we've seen what happened in iraq and afghanistan where to provide and that's completely there for us but you are setting up or you're not a new police force and there are very many different factions involved here so it's been incredibly difficult to set up an effective police force in those two countries what why would it be different from what we've seen in iraq. well for example in iraq invading forces simply send all the police home in. the t.n.c. the crimes issue a little cultural been saying that the police force should remain in position that the police force is relatively tainted by the oppression of the gadhafi era good
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gadhafi use other instruments for his approach the police force is reasonably well respected and will remain to the u.k. and britain has promised to release these frozen funds to the transitional council and will undoubtedly be followed by the u.n. and other nations now let's go just a moment i don't i don't think i don't think we promised to release gadhafi is frozen from somewhere but i understand that they were saying that those funds will be released what in something like in the next six months not immediately but in the six months and i'm going to ask you i mean is that really rather to worry. money to a government that's not really known about at that stage. absolutely not it's too late it's absurd that libya should be deprived of money for this period why what justification is there for that the security council ought to release this money as soon as possible otherwise people are going to starve if that will be spent in the right way as we've seen in parts in areas where money has been thrown at problems and there's corruption. that's a libyan problem that we're not entitled to take libyan money until the libyans
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prove to us that they're capable of but maybe the way you treat your children or your grandchildren with their pocket money but this is libyan money now you of course have a lot of experience a former ambassador to libya but i would like to ask you from your knowledge of the libyan people do you think they really do have the will to carry this through will they stay united and will we see a peaceful future there in libya. but it's really not possible to give a straight answer that question but i'll chance my arm and say that i think that the the the record of the t.n.c. so far suggests to me that they are going about its role in a serious way and they have a reasonable chance of achieving something i think with a lot of the criticism that's been directed to them against from outside libya both from foreigners and also from libyans in exile he's sort of seeking it is the people have their own axe to grind and i think a great deal of the criticism has been made is it is unfair or out or on based. on
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sound for example we're constantly being told and in this country i don't know whether it's the same in the media in russia or elsewhere that al qaida types islamic extremists and so on dominantly in benghazi i don't believe it's true i've talked to a lot of people from benghazi and i simply do not believe that it's true well it's very interesting here point of view thanks so much for showing us so your thoughts here live on our t.v. as always good to hear all of the miles form or you can buy that or maybe a thank you for your time thank you thank you. for the french president nicolas sarkozy is a nazi hold a conference with the leaders of the livin transitional government later this week and all of these daniel bushell brings us more details from paris. the french defense minister gerard long says that his call for a meeting in paris to plant what he calls a road map for libya french france's foreign ministry says that talks are on the way level and that nicolas sarkozy the french president will meet with djibril be
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head of the transition later today monday france says that the transitional council will need help as it moves forward now as it plans its future it added that libya is a potentially prosperous country it is needs assistance from the west if it's to construe those plans to brussels the you are representatives have said that as the united states seems to be taking a backseat in these negotiations they see an opportunity to fill that vacuum admitted that hard work lies ahead and the divisions between rebel factions mean that it will be a difficult time because when there was a single enemy in gadhafi was very easy for various factions some with very different interests to hold together and now there are fears that this may collapse and there may be a power vacuum fronts in fact claimed that mission in libya is over now defense experts here in the european union are concerned by such statements because with
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the absence of gadhafi in any sort of real power structure there are concerns that there could be an even more bloody civil war emerging. well now more on the situation in libya i'm joined live by international consultant informatively speaker of the belgian parliament lode but he joins me now live from brussels thanks for being with us here on our team of the u.s. and the european union are calling for a smooth and peaceful transition of power is that really going to be possible given the country being gripped by violence or not for something like five months now look the u.s. and european union they have very good professional analysts they're not going to sit out a lot. will get it is not going to be a full transition well that's what they're counting on and will given the excuse to intervene militarily on the ground you saying then nato will not be pulling out then by the mandate the date by september no it will not so are you saying then therefore we're going to see nato increasing its presence boots on the ground
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well if you think really presume to know where they're performing this i don't know when there will be there will be military keep controlling believe me it's a fact how do you will do it to do you know several options will remain in place to me that's almost one hundred percent certain so you have no faith whatsoever in the national transitional council. well why should i i mean i mean let's list this and p.c.p. has now been proven anything beyond that they are former lead. people on people and with their very. backgrounds too far their truth and nothing. what's behind it then what is the driving factor then do you think from nato point of view from the west is it is it really gas and oil and so many commentators are saying is that the article is cost of course it is a gas and oil certainly but it's more than that. i mean i don't like big words but
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what i see is the second the beginning of the second call noisy action of africa it is. simple as that nato and economic powers are really intent on taking back africa but the people of libya wanted this and latest critical to see that they want exactly to go listen listen we have to distinguish thinks governor. nobody is going to really shitty about it this is the leader i mean the weird thing is what started as an uprising by people on the very justified issues i mean i can understand that million libyans are happy to get rid of it after they have not dreamed themselves their uprising was militarized by nato and nato is not going to get in the way position so did our biffing is what i'm afraid of they got rid of one bad thing and they will get animal one and when we see the solution in
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libya like we've seen in egypt. well egypt is not exactly the same thing at least you can claim they're there and the president and the regime was toppled by real. arising by a real civilian uprising which is not the case in libya this is a different thing and the disillusion is already build build again from the day that nato started going. when briefly a. pretty bleak a view of the future of libya do you think is going to be more sectarian based then obviously there are tribal differences at the moment and obviously religious ones so how do you see the instability playing playing out in the future there in what way. i'm pretty sure it's a carry on violence is going to break out any day soon i mean if history teaches any lesson people or organizations who take power by violence are not really
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tempted to give way to power by democratic means i mean this is not something that only. and this is going to be libya just as in other countries. and what is happening in egypt which is not. really. that's not an issue but what i'm afraid. to do you know. but i'm pretty sure the violence is going to freak out and if you make some very interesting observations thanks very much indeed international consultant and former deputy speaker of the belgian parliament he produced thanks. when news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sparking an immediate drop in oil prices and i want to know the most important question is just how much the booty the new government will bring and if you're just talking about ortiz the latest what we thing really is
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a kneejerk reaction in the oil markets to the events. in the oil prices as you say took almost three dollars in first this thinking that there are some hopes the oil production could resume shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the company any has work is back in libya they've led the way really in sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such as he have actually passing the fence at the moment they're waiting for the exactly how this plays out what's going to happen over the coming days and weeks what we've heard from the information of the libyan rebel oil. they said they don't have any problems with western countries companies italy france the u.k. but they could have. with countries like brazil china and russia i don't know if
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that's to be the case. to set back those countries you could see the loss of billions of dollars worth of oil contracts oh. speaking to one of the edited a very likely safer here and it's the he's been following the situation very closely and how he described this it's like a chess game now between the oil companies between the front countries on the ground there is still an extremely confusing time in libya what's happening in tripoli now there is still a lot of. thought out and they certainly find a means of this game a for at the moment but first potential problems for those countries that the libyan rebels had pointed out that a month through a market that there will be out of production restored some point in the near future in libya. so for reporting there and author and on a list of things the struggle for libyan oil is the real bottom line of the whole nato operation. it's simply an insurgency being supported covertly by
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u.s. financed arm shipments into the rebels and in order to simply carve up the oil fields and get it into western hands rather than in a libyan state and switch it off he held firmly to that i think the real underlying issue in this whole nato bombing of libya i think it suits some of the western oil interests especially the british and the french who are fighting and like puranas over grabbing the most you see oil fields for them for their own companies that it suits them to have chaos because then they can control the terms of of oil exploitation much better and ever since and it's been the most brazen violation of international law that we've seen it's incredible to me that. the international media doesn't debate some of the some of the legal aspects of this and i think what libya's going to face after that is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said in the beginning this is tribe against tribe this is not democracy against totalitarianism
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. witness want to stand by the fact transitional government in the days and weeks ahead but self-interest may be the driving force behind london's promises that's according to john reese of the stop the war coalition. got rid of gadhafi and nobody is going to shed any tears for that brutal dictatorship but i imagine that what most people in libya don't want is to swap the rule of gadhafi for that of the western powers and part of the problem here is of course the way in which he has forward today has been the single biggest day of nato air operations in the entire history of this intervention so it's quite clear that the t.n.c. will come to power as the proxies of the western powers and the western powers don't do this without asking for a pay back and they will be asking for a payback if i were libyan and i were listening to david cameron's speech or if i had listened to what nato said earlier that they want to assist the transition i
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mean heaven knows what a military alliance supposedly assisting a transition to democracy is all about i would take those remarks as more threat but a promise that is a direct threat to famine that they will use their military and economic weight to gain what they want out of any new government in libya the only chance of unity for the p. and c. is that they do what most libyans i believe want them to do and that is to say that the future of libya is to be decided by libyans and by nobody else but they do not require the systems of nato that they do not require the assistance of the major powers that they do not want their resources exploited by western oil companies that could be a point of unification but if they continue down the line of competing amongst themselves for who has the ear who has the greatest the greatest sway with the major powers then i really i really believe that that will further divide them. the
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white house has held the rebel advance into tripoli saying the situation is at tipping point that he's going to church can has more on the reaction from across the atlantic. well from the latest here the u.n. secretary general has called on colonel gadhafi forces to cease fire immediately and make way for a peaceful transition and that the you when he said he stands ready to provide all possible assistance to the leading people he also said that the u.n. is going to hold a meeting on the recent developments in leaving here with representatives from the e.u. the arab league and the african union as well as other organizations well the me is falling apart that's obvious to everyone with the enormous help of nato and the airstrikes in the meantime washington a key player in this fight for trying to shore says they are in close contact with the rebels leadership and that the west will support and direct quote president obama at peaceful transition to democracy well everything that was going on in
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tripoli this weekend was anything but peaceful we're talking about extensive nato bombing of the city before the rebels made it to the central square of tripoli we've seen the rebels cheering all night that very much reminded of what we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted but up until now the people in egypt are not governed by who they chose as their leaders and that's just one example of a revolution that any doubt with people not getting what they wanted and the levy or those who called for and that is the transitional national council have not been chosen by the even people get the council has been recognized as a legitimate power in the view of by all allies he's been helping alst reality many leaders are outraged by that i cared for him powers that was actually made those very important choices for them the word has been going on for six months it took many lives and a lot of criticism nato is facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes has to be renewed and given all the violations that have
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taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign with what we see on the ground in libya right now is. looks like the nato has met the nato forces of method that line it's important to note that colonel gadhafi had very few friends in the international community after what he had gone through these people and the whole of the international community has been united saying that he must go he must step down all of the u.n. security council members shared that you including russia but many say the way nato has been accomplishing the goal of toppling could go beyond the u.n. resolution from six months ago which authorized military intervention some say it went far beyond the resolution was designed to protect civilians but many innocent civilians have been killed by needle strikes during those six months and also the funneling of weapons to libyan rebels as has been done in violation of an arms embargo imposed on the yes as far as the rebels are concerned and they are far from
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being good margin is sort of united here there has been internal fighting going on among them but many experts are saying that the fight the charge of leave here should be of no surprise to anyone considering what's at stake and here we're talking about a nation that has the richest oil reserves in africa. well that brings us now to twenty eight minutes past the hour here in the russian capital with the headline surely stay with us on our team.
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