the news live from moscow has just turned midnight ten pm in tripoli and so to our breaking news this hour the fast moving developments there in libya rebel say that they now control most of tripoli and have taken libya's state t.v. channels off air and some reports suggest opposition fighters have been looting private houses two of gadhafi his sons are now thought to be in rebel hands with a third having escaped house arrest opposition leaders say a large number of their fighters have been killed and there are reports of heavy fighting around a good daffy's compound but the whereabouts of the colonel unknown nato insists it will continue combat air patrols until all government forces surrender. what journalist whose founder and chairman of online newspaper the voltaire network is in the rixos hotel in tripoli and told me a little earlier that nato forces are doing everything to back up the rebels. now in the sort in which is no more the leaders of the country very well do we from the

earth tell but now there is only film normally seen friday you tell because you know some of the u.s. journalists are not journalists at all the only spy with the cause of journalism so there is people try to keep the all those inside the hotel know the police we don't electricity and no food and we have some legion fighters inside to protect us against us and. the outer leaves are surrounded by the triage snow to prevent the entrance of need to here but you need to lose a lot of the ground to be especially reception those would be counteroffensive from the wire forces and they also the rebels from a. part of the town during the night the need to is bombing the places they register that we've actually got cells of very heavy liquor tells to

shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels enter of industry. well the reports of gunfire near the libya tunisia border and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the famous fighting between pro and anti gadhafi forces and these correspond is at the border there has been a rather intense fighting reported missing the true could up the end of rebel forces about just in kilometers from the border with tunisia in as it's out of the march to the border as between libya and tunisia have been in sort of a degree as a plate over the past five months people have been trying to escape to leave because they have found out of syria just like what's going on you know if it's control it especially now with libyan forces literally attacking just going over out of their way over tripoli i found to get even more confusing now people who

president every site near the border on the beach inside say that over the past couple of weeks there have been reported clashes between unidentified are now. in the region border guards the ohss say that. there have been sightings of humor is heavy vehicles loaded with armed people are reportedly reportedly libyans but was no license plate so it's hard to identify exactly who those who those people were now as in the clashes which were pretty earlier today between huge and border patrols and i just want to be in government here has not been reported and. i just . need to cordy's to say that they believe some of the gunmen on the inside might have been injured or wounded. and across the atlantic president obama said despite the rebel advance into tripoli the outcome of the main battle remains fluid well he's got to come on has more from washington d.c.

. washington a key player in the fight for tripoli says they are in close contact with the rebels leadership and that the u.s. will support a peaceful transition to democracy president obama while on vacation has made the statement this monday in the wake of dramatic developments in tripoli over the weekend that were really far from peaceful again he was talking about what a terrible dictator could be was what a great job nato has done because the believe is to support the transitional national council that's a body that's heavily backed by western allies as we know he once again said that billions of dollars in frozen leave in assets will go to the council to help them restore order in the country that's been torn apart by the civil war but before the rebels made made it to the central square in tripoli to celebrate the city's expensive nato bombing it's obvious to everyone that the regime is falling apart with enormous help and their airstrikes we've seen the rebels cheering all night

that very much reminded of what we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted but let's not forget that up until now the people in egypt are not governed by those they chose as their leaders just one example of a revolution that ended up with people not getting what they were fighting for and they leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of not being chosen by the review people get the council is being recognized as legitimate power in the view by all the allies that it's been helping . many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in there. with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when a resolution full strikes had to be renewed and given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the

campaign. talking to me a little earlier from washington well more now on the future of post gadhafi libya and what the future holds for the conflict torn nation i'm joined by former bush administration official michael o'brien he's live in our studio in washington d.c. mr brown thank you very much indeed for being with us so now we have a temporary government with no experience of democracy a little knowledge of how to run a country almost no cash can stability really be built on such a fragile foundation. well we'll have to wait and see obviously kind of goes without saying but the fact of the matter is you know be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not really they're a they didn't get what they were fighting for that may happen in libya as well. it seems that. the west is very there's a there's a bond between the libyan rebels and the western countries there's

a lot of input. now what will have to do are a lot of you know a lot of interplay i should say but now we'll have to wait and see. the rebels who are still sort of you know exactly who are what are they and how will they did they are they just using the west to get to take over tripoli in the country and get rid of gadhafi and then once that's done they're going to do their own thing and they don't need the west anymore we do have to wait and see revolutions or kind of their tricky when the when we had our own american revolution or american revolution here in the late seventeen hundreds it when it was over they wanted to make george washington king and he said no that's not why we did this we did it to get rid of a king we're going to get have to have free elections and elect a president so we'll see how democracy if democracy. reigns and rules the day in libya or we may get something else are you concerned that we could

see a similar outcome to what we've seen in iraq for example. well you know really we could it's funny because i was in iraq and you know we i was there for fourteen months and the americas invasion of iraq in two thousand and three was a preemptive preemptive attack which was a the bush doctrine if i was thinking about that earlier today before you know you had me on i was thinking about iraq and libya it's interesting how things would have turned out if the people of iraq if there if they had had their own up arising against saddam hussein and then we had supported that certainly america and i'm not bashing america here ok but certainly america wouldn't be in the same spot that it's in iraq now so it is it is it's kind of the other side of the coin we went into iraq to get rid of

a dictator there was no overthrow the people there did want to get rid of saddam whereas in libya and in egypt to the people sort of had their own uprising and we didn't see the people in iraq deciding the fate of saddam hussein should the same do you think happen in libya or do you think if and when gadhafi is caught that he should be sent to the hague to the international criminal court. well you know i personally i don't really i was there when when saddam was was tried in hong. my personal feeling is that that it wasn't so much the people of iraq that tried in hong i'm it was. i do i think he to serve the what he got don't get me wrong he was a bad actor. but i do think the west was very very much behind that in libya. i think you know the hague the international court is very much involved in what's

going to happen when they capture qaddafi which i have no doubt they will they will be very much involved they've already said that they want his sons in their custody which is kind of interesting i find but when qaddafi is captured and detained the international court out of the hague is sounds like it's going to step in so does that mean the people of libya are going to decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate and i sound a little cynical when i say this i think maybe his trial and maybe who knows punishment execution life in prison may be in libya to make it look like the libyan people or are deciding his fate but i think that's already i think that as they say that forces left the bar and i think the international court's going to take it over a little earlier in a report from washington d.c. got to come with saying a bomb has been quoted as saying that nato has done

a good job it looks like the people's wishes come about thanks to nato but of course nato is being heavily criticized do you think that nato would be justified in continuing its presence in libya even after the month is gone in september when its mandate is finished do you think it has a right to stay then it should stay that. well it's amazing how the timing is working out here the mandate ends in just a little you know a month or so it seems to me that with the way things are going certainly as we speak right now it looks like things may be wrapping up by the time that mandate is over if that should happen i think nato is played its card i think nato war to just pull out nato has got did get itself involved they took the side of the rebels they made a decision obama sent u.s. carriers over there and warplanes doing bombing missions i have no doubt the rebels would that the rebels i don't think the rebels would have been successful without

nato support there's no question about that we basically helped nato in the united states military of which you know which is the major player helped the rebels overthrow of the khadafi regime but it looks like that may really be done now and i think nato nato is work is done at the end of there are a mandate so you confident that we won't see a situation where the rebels made up a different tribal factions old so that there's an islamic element in the national sentiment too are you confident that we will see peace and that won't be in the for nato to step in if perhaps we see these factions starting fighting amongst themselves and leading to the possibility of another civil war. and that's the big question that's a really good point what are we going to get is it going to be a free for all is it going to be everybody fighting for power. like there was in iraq after our invasion and the overthrow of the saddam government what is going to

happen and i have to i have to say yes that's a that is something we don't know what's going to happen we're going to have to wait and see but there could be you know this could be phase one revolution overthrow could the cut off the regime face to could be a civil war and then what happens and then will nato have to stick around maybe nato will we may have helped phase one now we've got to stick around and keep a lid on a powder keg it which could turn out it could turn out to be and again it could be very civil and they could all. you know play well together in the sandbox so to speak not to use the cliche but you know in that part of the world that's it's very tribal and now that he's out gadhafi i would venture to say it's going to be every man for himself every tribe or every leader for himself wanting to take over michael we could talk a lot more and this is really interesting to hear what you have to say thanks so

much for your thoughts and your words michael o'brien full of bush administration joining me live there in washington thank you tom good to talk to you. while the leaders of france italy in the u.k. of all the nonce they'll be holding individual talks with the leaders of the libyan transitional government next week nazis daniel bushell brings us the latest details from paris. the french president has spoken to the rebel leader. by telephone on monday and announced that he's invited him for talks on wednesday said that libya is a potentially rich country but it needs support and aid to rebuild in fact paris is behaving as if it's all over now. the war is finished and the fact in fact officially announced its military mission in libya is complete but experts here do express fears that the divisions between the rebels themselves that they lack a common enemy and get their feet if gadhafi has indeed now gone may mean there is

further violence as those splits between the rebels are exposed in brussels diplomats and analysts saying that the united states has really taken a backseat here see an opportunity to take a leading role french defense minister says that the talks will find a road map the future of libya that's necessary to avoid the country slipping back into civil war to find common ground and to force democracy be officially means to improve ties between european nations and the new government now it's in these leaders silvio berlusconi has also announced that he will be meeting the rebel needers now and is here are saying that this may be to also lobby for western aeration for its oil corporations for example we know that any had large contracts with gadhafi before the civil war and was accused of corruption in order to gain massive contracts in that country. well for further analysis on the libyan conflict

i'm joined live by pier he's a professor of political science at the paris based west university. he joins me now live from london. thank you very much indeed for being with us we know france of course being the key driving force behind the nato campaign to help the rebels and oversee supporting the national transitional council is it going to get what it really wants and returned it what will the benefits be in the future. benefits for . all of the president. and now is going to be a success but we have all. seen you say i'm sorry peter we haven't got a very good connection here but i really want to talk to you about this persevered just for a moment or two you say a success does that mean that nicolas of course he'll benefit from this himself as well i mean obviously his standing is a pretty. he led

a humanitarian intervention so humanitarian so. it's going to be more popular than course it can. benefit from it. possibility of that connection established with the rebels. you're talk about contracts in oil i presume obviously there's got africa's largest oil reserves and already according to reports some of the nato countries involved in this are supposed to be rewarded with contracts i mean will there be an element of competition there between the likes of france in the u.k. to get these oil contracts. well it's a distinct possibility you know you should board a group and. our. big. contracts. are because basically the rebels. went to nato and nato in this

particular case was trans in the u.k. so very likely then france and the are going to benefit from. your professor of political science clearly your experience and your knowledge of past developments like this do you think that this transitional government really is going to turn into a strong legitimate power or could there be a political vacuum where our it's very difficult to predict the future. looks as if all the conflicts. are going to a long time do result they are tribal conflicts all conflicts and there is political. rebels big chill there and. not so long ago. a group of very different people there were also people all attacked african. and so on so.

you know tell what's going to happen what it could be here are. all the internationals was very different but we did have a period of intense was in libya there is factions fighting for terrorism and so on their own state was. the way you describe the potential future where we could see this disparate rebel organization turning against themselves everybody fighting for various elements interests therefore would that not mean that nato really shouldn't be considering pulling out of the country after the mandate in september and continue its presence there to ensure that there isn't any chance of it further slipping into civil war. well you know i think nature hasn't really violated the mandate given by the u.n. it was really mission creep because originally the mission was to protect a group of people from a possible massacre. which is a very

a violation of the resolution the un resolution so it's not impossible that nature would find an excuse to stay on for at least special forces special you gave forces french forces. presence and nature with drawing officially been there and having various countries like france and the u.k. maintaining forces military presence in libya even though it's not part of the gross lucian said it's quite daunting yes and just briefly and finally from a historical perspective can you draw any parallels to the situation in libya to to what is being happening in the past of what's been witnessed in the past well you know we could drug. costs of the cost of the world also presented that you manage ventured and there was some kind of stabilization but there is a problem in the main criticism of course of our government. there isn't very

very stable leaders of course of all. and scandals against candles and so on so. the closest parallel i can think of break now would be. so-called humanitarian intervention and some western powers getting more lets what they want the intervention of stability more problems in the future. and of course the protagonists involved in kosovo or serbia ended up in the international criminal court do you think the same should happen to gadhafi or should his fate be left to the libyan people. well the dictator should be trying very difficult to have. a coach that is reliable and they're real real due process you know for example so now you're saying he was addicted to.

trial which was certainly not fair trial and so it's like is that ok nothing wrong with that trial and i don't see why it should be an international court. only for some of the criminals and it would be much better if the libyans themselves decided their own future without outside intervention but it's really too late because now there's been outside intervention and really the wind and the war. because it is court case most probably the case will learn will also be strongly influenced by the foreign forces which intervened in libya here good to talk to you thank you so much pig a professor of political science of paris west university defense force i should say joining us there london thank you so much for time thank you. news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sparking an immediate drop in oil prices and one of the study now that the most important

question is just how much debility the new government will bring in our first the latest what we see really is a kneejerk reaction in the oil markets to the events in tripoli we see in the oil prices as you say dropping almost three dollars in festus thinking that there are some oil production kids shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the italian oil company any has sent work is back into libya they've led the way really in sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such is b.p. have actually passed on the fence at the moment they're waiting see exactly how this plays out what's going to happen if the coming days and weeks what we've heard from the information manager of the libyan rebel oil is that they said they don't have any problems with western countries western companies italy france the

u.k. very cave but they could have political issues with countries like brazil china and russia now if that's to be the case then that could certainly be a major setback for those countries you could see the loss of billions of dollars worth of oil contracts i was speaking to one of the editors today a very large newspaper here in italy and he's been following the situation very closely and how he described this was like a chess game now between the oil companies between the front countries on the ground there is still an extremely confusing time in libya what's happening in tripoli now there is still a lot of. store thout and so certainly by no means is this game at the moment but that does spell the potential problems for those countries that the libyan revolution has pointed out that amongst the market that there will be output in oil production restored some point in the near future in libya. so first reported the rule for an analyst f.

william and dol thinks the struggle for libyan oil is the real bottom line of the whole nato operation. it's simply an insurgency being supported covertly by u.s. financed arm shipments into the rebels and in order to simply carve up the oil fields and get it into western hands rather than into libyan state hands which khadafi held firmly to that i think the real underlying issue in this whole nato bombing of libya i think it suits some of the western oil interests especially the british and the french who are fighting like and like purana is over grabbing the most you see oil fields for them for their own companies that it suits them to have chaos because and they can control the terms of oil exploitation much better and ever since and it's been the most brazen violation of international law that we've seen it's incredible to me that. the international media doesn't debate some of the some of the legal aspects of this and i think what what libya's going to face after that

is a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said at the beginning this is tribe against tribe this is not democracy against totalitarianism. twenty seven minutes past the end in the russian capital of course we'll be keeping updated on all the latest developments there in libya i'll be back with a recap of the main develop this in just a few moments stay with us live here in moscow. the.

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