international news live for marty here in moscow just turned one am and eleven pm in tripoli and so to our breaking news this hour the fast moving developments there in libya rebels say they now control most of tripoli and have taken libya state t.v. channels off the air and some reports suggest opposition fighters have been looting private houses well two of half the sons are now thought to be in rebel hands for the first having escaped house arrest a position to say a large number of their fighters have been killed or reports of heavy fighting around gadhafi compound but the whereabouts of the colonel around known nato insists it will continue combat air patrols until government forces surrender. or journalist who's founder and chairman of online newspaper the voltaire network is in the rixos hotel in tripoli and told me a little earlier that nato forces are doing everything to back up the rebels. knowing the short answer is no more the leaders of the country they will do with

from the earth tell but now there is only film normally seen friday will tell but as you know some of the us journalists are not journalists at all their own least with the under cover of journalism so there's people try to keep the all those inside the hotel know the police we don't electricity and no food and we have some legion fighters inside to protect us against the us and. the adelies are surrounded by the triage snow to prevent the entrance of new to you but you need to lose a lot of the ground today especially reception those would be counteroffensive from the while foresees and also the rebels from a. part of the town during the night the need to is bombing the

places and the right after that we've actually caught sales of very heavy illegal tells to shoot everybody in the street and after that only after that the so-called rebels enter of in-between. well there are reports of come fall on the libya tunisia border and thousands of libyans are heading in that direction to flee the fierce fighting between pro and anti gadhafi forces to correspond and then again the show is at the border there has been a rather intense fighting reported missing being uprooted off the end of rebel forces about just in kilometers from the border with tunisia in as it's out of the march to the border as the ten would be in tunisia have been in sort of the debris is a plate over the past five months people would have to not have to be trying to escape to leave because they have a serious look like it but what's going on you know is essential it is specially now with the libyan forces literally attacking just going over out of their way

over tripoli i found to get even more confusing now people who resident in every side near the border on the eastern side say that over the past couple of weeks there have been reported clashes between on the identified arm down arms the women and we can border guards the ohss say that. there have been sightings of numerous heavy vehicles loaded with armed people reportedly reportedly be in what was no license plate so it's hard to identify exactly who those people those people were now as in the clashes which were pretty earlier today between huge and border patrols and i just want to be in government there have not been reported and i just watched as he says already to say that they believe some of the gunmen on the inside might have been injured or wanted. to cross the atlantic president obama said despite the rebel advance into tripoli the outcome of the main battle remains

fluid he's going to take on has more now from washington d.c. . washington a key player in the fight for tripoli says they are in close contact with the rebels leadership and that the u.s. will support a peaceful transition to democracy president obama while on vacation has made this statement this monday in the wake of dramatic developments in tripoli over the weekend that were really far from peaceful again he was talking about what a terrible dictator could be was what a great job nato has done because of the levy is to support the transitional national council that's a body that has backed by western allies as we know he once again said that billions of dollars in frozen leave in assets will go to the council to help them restore order in the country that's been torn apart by the civil war but before the rebels made made it to the central square in tripoli to celebrate the city's expensive nato bombing it's obvious to everyone that the regime is falling apart

with enormous help and their airstrikes we've seen the rebels cheering all night that very much reminded of what we saw in cairo when hosni mubarak was ousted but let's not forget that up until now the people in egypt are not governed by those they chose as their leaders egypt's just one example of a revolution that ended up with people not getting what they were fighting for and then leave you know those who took over and that is the transitional national council of now being chosen by the league of people get the council is being recognized as a legitimate power in the view of by all the allies that has been helping. many libyans are outraged by the fact that foreign powers of the century made those very important choices for them nato has been in a hurry to wrap up with the mission over the last six months the strike strikes a lot of criticism they killed many innocent civilians while the goal of the mission was to protect civilians nato was facing a deadline in september when their resolution full strikes had to be renewed and

given all the violations that have taken place it would be very hard to get everyone on board for extending the campaign. and former bush administration official michael brown has told me that gadhafi is fate will be decided by the west but punishment will be carried out in libya. be careful what you ask for you might get it then again you may not the example of egypt that was just given they're not a they didn't get what they were fighting for that may happen in libya as well. it seems that. the west is very there's a there's a bond between the libyan rebels and the western countries there's a lot of input now what we'll have to do are a lot of you know a lot of interplay i should say but now we'll have to wait and see. the rebels who are still sort of you know exactly who are what are they and how will they did they are they just using the west to get to take over tripoli in the country and get rid

of gadhafi and then once that's done they're going to do their own thing and they don't need the west anymore i was there when when saddam was was tried in hong. my personal feeling is that that it wasn't so much the people of iraq that tried in hong them it was. i think he deserved what he got don't get me wrong he was a bad actor. but i do think the west was very very much behind that in libya. i think you know the hague the international court is very much involved in what's going to happen when when they capture khadafi which i have no doubt they will they will be very much involved they've already said that they want his sons in their custody which is kind of interesting i find. going cut off he is captured in detained the international court out of the hague is sounds like it's going to step

in so does that mean the people of libya are going to. decide his fate i don't really think so i think the international court's going to decide his fate. major nato members have already recognized libya's rebels as the country's legitimate government russia's envoy to the alliance says western forces were heavily involved in the rebels' advance to the capital. it. is not that nato forces were involved in the storming of tripoli and other libyan cities but that it's been done with the help of military instructors also in some places so-called soldiers of fortune were involved that is former nato soldiers who are now working with some unofficial security forces security firms and so on so these soldiers of fortune also take part in these fights no one is denying that but if you ask a direct question whether nato takes part in the ground operation or what the major

western forces take part in storming libyan cities the answer you will get of course is no which is no surprise will never confirm what is becoming evident to everyone else because no one gave them the un mandate that he took it upon themselves the u.n. security council resolution one thousand seven three quite broad possibilities to international organization and countries opposed to execute the resolution it wasn't given to any one organization or nato for all intents and purposes you search this right so if there is a mandate it will execute it as they see fit if there isn't one they'll grant it to themselves or on the request of libya's democratic government will ensure their military presence in this country quite shoot and experienced people and they'll always find a way to ensure at least a fig leaf of legitimacy for their presence in libya. the leaders of france italy in the u.k. of all announced they'll be holding individual talks for the leaders of the libyan

transitional government next week an artist daniel bushell brings us the latest details now from paris. the french president has spoken to the rebel leader. by telephone on monday and announced that he's invited him for talks on wednesday francis said that libya is a potentially rich country but it needs support and aid to rebuild in fact paris is behaving as if it's all over now. the war is finished and as a fact in fact officially announced its military mission in libya is complete but experts here do express fears good reason is between the rebels themselves that they like a common enemy and get their feet if gadhafi has indeed now gone maybe there is further violence as those splits between the rebels are exposed in brussels diplomats and analysts saying that the united states has really taken a backseat here see an opportunity to take a leading role french defense minister says that the talks will find

a road map the future of libya that's necessary to avoid the country slipping back into civil war to find common ground and to foster democracy the officially means to improve ties between european nations and the new government now it's a leisurely the silvio berlusconi has also announced that he will be meeting the rebel neighbors now and is here are saying that this may be too also long before western or information for its oil corporations for example we know that italy's any had large contracts with gadhafi before the civil war and was accused of corruption in order to gain massive contracts in that country that no bushell there and that a professor of political science from paris university non-tariff says that no matter who will end up running the country the west will get the oil. it looks as

if all the conflicts. are going to take a long time to result they are tribal conflicts or conflicts and there is a kind of political vacuum that rebels big kill their own command not so long ago there are a group of very different people there were also people who attack african and so on so. you know tell what's going to happen use a border group and then to our all begin to forward contracts to our company because basically the rebels. went to nato and nato in this particular case was trans in the u.k. so it's very likely then france and the are going to benefit from it can you. news of the rebel advance into tripoli was greeted warmly by investors around the world sparking an immediate drop in oil prices and it is now the most important question

is just how much stability the new government will bring or to sort of first as the latest what we see really is a kneejerk reaction in the oil markets to the events in tripoli we see in the oil prices as you say talking almost three dollars in festus thinking that there are some hopes the oil production could resume shortly now it's least foreign minister has confirmed that the italian oil company any has sent workers back into libya they've led the way really in sending their workers back there now what we've seen is the other big oil companies such is the b.p. have actually started the fence at the moment they're waiting see exactly how this plays out what's going to happen over the coming days and weeks what we've heard from the information manager of the libyan rebel oil is that they said they don't have any problems with western countries worthing companies italy france the u.k.

they're ok but they could have political issues with countries like brazil china and russia now if that's to be the case then that could certainly be a major setback for those countries you could see the loss of billions of dollars worth of oil contracts i was speaking to one of the editors today a very large based paper here and it's the he's been following the situation very closely and how he described this was like a chess game now between the oil companies between the front countries on the ground there is still an extremely confusing time in libya what's happening in tripoli now there is still a lot left stalls out and so certainly by no means is this game at the moment but that does spell the potential problems for those countries that the libyan revolution had pointed out that amongst the market that there will be output in oil production restored some point in the near future in libya. sort of reporting there an author an analyst at william and dol thinks the struggle for libyan oil is

the real bottom line of the whole nato operation. it's simply an insurgency being supported covertly by u.s. financed arm shipments into the rebels and in order to simply carve up the oil fields and get it into western hands rather than in a libyan state hands which could often be held firmly to that i think the real underlying issue in this whole nato bombing of libya i think suits some of the western oil interests especially the british and the french who are fighting like and like puranas over grabbing the most and you see oil fields for them for their own companies that it suits them to have chaos because and they can control the the terms of of oil exploitation much better and ever since and it's been the most brazen violation of international law that we've seen it's so incredible to me that . the international media doesn't debate some of the some of the legal aspects of this and i think what what libya's going to face after that is

a period of prolonged chaos nobody knows the outcome this is as i said at the beginning this is tribe against tribe this is not democracy against a tallit airiness and. members of the european union and once again called on get daffy to relinquish power but over the own gang assault on tripoli is fading replaced by concern that the new government may not have the authority needed to bring and maintain peace and not seize on that ben is following the reaction from london. the prime minister david cameron is very confident that this is the beginning of the end he said he is on his way out he's recently just been on the phone to the leader of the national transitional council must stop. stressing the need for a smooth peaceful and as quick as possible transition to this new democratic leadership at the same time as all of that he did say that nato forces mandate for being in the country expires in just one month it will stay there for as long as it takes quite an open ended response to that question if there is some uncertainty

tempering the jubilation around the rebels presence in tripoli the other uncertainty is over the question of the frozen assets britain has said it's prepared to release them for the building a new infrastructure in the country and stabilize the there is months and years who those will go to and how they'll be used also on the around the e.u. sanctions a spokesperson for the e.u. foreign affairs committee has said for the time being will remain in place over libya and will be lifted when the time is right and finally get down to where reese he. is still unknown and britain stance has changed once again about on that issue prime minister saying this morning that his future will be in the hands of the rebels themselves to begin with when the campaign started six months ago he was saying that gadhafi must go then they changed tack about a month ago saying that he can stay in the country so long as he stands down but living in exile now there seems to be washing their hands of it once again saying

that it will be in the hands of the rebels in libya potentially precarious state this post dictatorship in limbo and we've been here of course before with the rock when mistakes were made and like iran libya sits on a great deal of oil wealth so that really complicates the issue considerably unlike iraq however there is this foundation for a new government already in place that is recognized around europe they already have a diplomatic mission here in london but already the british press is quite skeptical of their ability to govern democratically saying that there are there is potential for infighting with a lot of the interest there. i've been reporting there from london will britain's want to stand by the fragmented transitional government in the days and weeks ahead but self interest may be the driving force behind london's promises and that's according to john receipts from the stop the war coalition. got rid of gadhafi and nobody going to shed any tears for that brutal dictatorship but i imagine that what

most people in libya don't want is to swap the rule of gadhafi for that of the western powers and part of the problem here is of course the way in which he has fallen today has been the single biggest day of nato air operations in the entire history of this intervention so it's quite clear that the t.n.c. will come to power as the proxy use of the western powers and the western powers don't do this without asking for a payback and they will be asking for a payback if i were a libyan and i were listening to david cameron's speech or fired listen to what nato said earlier that they want to assist the transition i mean have a knows what a military alliance supposedly assisting a transition to democracy is all about i would take those remarks as more of a threat than a promise that is a direct threat by david cameron that they will use their military and economic

weight to gain what they want out of any new government in libya the only chance of unity for the t.n.c. is that they do what most libyans i believe want them to do and that is to say that the future of libya is to be decided by libyans and by nobody else but they do not require the assistance of nato that they do not require the assistance of the major powers that they do not want their resources exploited by western oil companies that could be a point of unification but if they continue down the line of competing amongst themselves for who has the ear who has the greatest the greatest sway with the major powers then i would i really believe that that will further divide them. well for more on nato's role in libya and the on going situation there on the ground across to washington where we're joined by journalist and activist susan lindauer thank you very much indeed she's being with us here on our you i know in the past have called nato role in the libyan conflict and imperialistic action bought

looking at the jubilant scenes now in tripoli hasn't nato helped to achieve what the people want well actually i would dispute that there is widespread celebrations in tripoli today i have friends in tripoli very excellent sources who one of them rented a bicycle and traveled around the city he said the streets were empty there was no celebrations on the street he said the salt trucks driving with rebels into green square pass through empty streets people did not go out of their houses today at all and the celebrations that you're seeing are contained and limited to green square and so those people have been brought in from other places but they're not the regular people i do agree with your previous guest i think that if the people of libya are seriously angry at nato what i'm hearing is that

they blame the rebels for destroying the infrastructure in libya they wonder who's going to pay for this the libyan people who want nato to pay for this and they are not going to be eager to reciprocate and reward britain or france or italy they would like to see those countries stay out of their of their of libya and to stay out of their oil this well you know you're disputing the fact that there are thousands of people celebrating the demise or the potential demise of kind of gadhafi and saying that they seem to just be concentrated one place but do you dispute the fact that gadhafi days on number would you say this is the end of the regime now. i think that i think that it is the end of the regime however i do not think that it is the end of the war i think that that nato has a very serious problem they have arrived on at the point of a gun they've been quote democracy to libya through guns and the people

of libya are very angry at nato they are not jubilant that the rebels who have arrived are celebrating the people are not celebrating with them and there's a big difference if nato tries to send a ground forces into tripoli to occupy the city and to bring stability to the area they will they will create another iraq situation i have no doubt of that at all these people do not like outsiders they are now preparing to pursue tribal vengeance and vendettas very quietly they will punish those who have attacked them and we will probably not hear very much about that in the in the western media at all but this war is not over and they will now have their blood well that's interesting or it isn't indicative that in fact putting gadhafi some is under arrest and nort showing exacting revenge and in fact displaying some sort of revenge restraint in their reaction to those arrests perhaps implying that we won't

see the sort of bloodshed and revenge in the streets in the future. no no no. the people of libya have been fighting for themselves fighting for their own community nato bombed the. their infrastructure nato destroyed the things that libya is proud of and imagine if someone bombed your buckingham palace would you be unhappy you might not like the queen very much but that doesn't mean you'd want to see kensington palace destroyed or hyde park ok. are we going to see then what we've seen in egypt then the street protests thousands of people in the streets disillusioned saying that the outcome of the revolution wasn't what they hoped for and we're going to see similar scenes in libya there is no revolution there is no revolution in libya this is something that

nato has brought to the people it is not something that the people have initially and yet people have beers a day or lose that all they are cemented but the thing is people are civilians are being prepared to lose their lives over this cause they wouldn't be doing in the name of nato wouldn't it wouldn't be doing in the name of the the future of their country. they're not doing anything in the future of their country they're the victims of dado they have been on the receiving end of the bombs they're not sacrifice or they have been sacrificing to nato but they're not they think this is something that has nato has imposed on them and that's how they see it this is a democracy that nato decided they were going to. gift to the libyan people that does not mean that the libyan people sought it there may have been a few of very few a very small minority of islamic radicals who have who have a desire by the way to institute shariah which is the conservative islamic of forms of government to the libyan people that does not mean that the libyan people are

going to accept it has no turn effect and that is has housing has nato paved the way for the like solve islamic fundamentalist to perhaps take control of the country would you say that the actions of nato will be responsible for yes yes indeed absolutely yes and therefore would not and i continue to reverse that. to have a presence beyond the september mandate to ensure that is a future path of stability and democracy in the country. the worst thing that could happen would be for nato to send ground troops into libya that would it be an invitation for the people of libya that would it be a proper not an invitation a provocation for the people of libya to the foreign presence on their soil occupation would be the worst thing that could possibly happen the best thing that could happen is for the rebels to say ha ha hold nato's leg we don't want anything

more to do with nato we're standing with the people of libya we're going to demand that nato rebuild what they have destroyed we're going to demand that nato we're not going to recognize israel that is a pair i've been hearing today that that demand by nato that israel should be recognized is already causing a furious outrage among the people in tripoli so the kinds of things that the the first impressions that nato rebels have created is that they support israel that they support france and britain and italy the libyan people don't want you there you've lost their support all those months of bombing you have done some damage will have to leave it that nato has done damage thanks very much for your thoughts on this susan lindauer all thrown on to war activist joining us live in washington thank you tom. well of course we'll keep you updated on all the latest developments there in libya and i'll be back with a recap of our top stories for you just

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you to have you with us is breaking news. in the russian capital rebels claim to control the libyan capital. position but one is reportedly. from texas. into. the sea from what's happening. rejoice hoping the forty year old regime is nearing a dead end but skeptics point to the disillusionment that followed the fall of egypt's detention. of officials from libya's new government as the transitional several nations as. well that suffering is up to date.