oh i'm sorry but washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture moammar gadhafi regime in libya comes to an end tonight as rebel forces take hold in the city of tripoli so what happens now and what's our military investment in regime change in libya worth of and from dictatorships to monopolies eighty and he wants to rule the wireless market with an iron fist the first order of business eliminating the low price text messaging plans and adding huge fees so do we have eight monopoly problems here in america.

you need to know this tonight after forty two years in power well market is no longer in control of libya in a swift offensive rebel forces stormed into the capital city of tripoli confronting heavy gunfire from the last remaining forces loyal to gadhafi and twenty four hours later the city was in rebel hands downtown tripoli is now a war zone with armed soldiers patrolling hotels and snipers posted up on rooftops but rebel forces say they now control most of the capital city as for where gadhafi himself is holed out no one knows n.p.r. is reporting that gadhafi may be trying to seek asylum a nation like russia that report has not been confirmed khadafi now joins other hours to dictators like hosni mubarak in egypt ben ali in tunisia and ali abdul sell

a in yemen who been forced out of office in this arab spring coincidentally the four men were seen osing together for a photo ten minutes ago in libya no more smiles this time around president obama spoke this afternoon in the most recent developments coming from libya. for over four decades libyan people had lived under the rule of a tyrant who denied them their most basic human rights now the celebrations that we've seen in the streets of libya shows that the pursuit of human dignity is far stronger than a dictator. i want to emphasize that this is not over yet as the regime collapses there's still fierce fighting in some areas and we have reports of regime elements threatening to continue fighting a law it's clear that gadhafi is rule is over he still has the opportunity to reduce further bloodshed by explicitly relinquishing power to the people of libya and calling for those forces that continue to fight to lay down their arms for the

sake of libya. so what happens now and will the end of gadhafi spell the end for other de legitimized arab dictators like bush or assad in syria could offer his take on this issue it's. national security reporter at think progress dot. com dot org or yeah ali thank you for joining us and thanks for having me on it's a pleasure is this good news is this wait and see news or i'm even hearing from some folks the although cut off he was a brutal madman he was largely running a secular country and now. we're going to see women in burkas well but we don't really know what's going to happen yet i mean i think for the meantime it's. it's it's a pretty easy call to say that libyans are are better off at least now without as you say this madman running their country and we don't really know how things are going to shake out in the future but but for now i think it's a good day for the libyan people the. when egypt felten when.

the the egyptian egypt had this whole infrastructure i mean the military basically ran it but there was a whole governmental infrastructure and even though they ran many of the businesses even you know when when mubarak fell there was still a structure there. my understanding is that libya is very much not that case that basically the entire structure was khadafi and an inner circle of basically brutal and it was run a little was run more like the mob and egypt was actually run like a country with an autocrat and if that's true and reality check me on that if that's true then you can see where egypt could make a gradual transition to civil society because the institutions of governance are there are those institutions totally lacking in libya mostly lacking partially lacking what what does that say about how this will play out right in fact in fact

the needs of the military structure of the rule the country before mubarak's fall is still largely in place least for the meantime i mean they're responsible for making this transition but. it's not a done deal yet and in libya yeah it was largely a cult of personality formed around this revolutionary leader that came to power more than four decades ago and to a much greater degree than mubarak did he suppressed civil society and it was based his this system was based on a as you say a kind of corrupt patronage system where you had a lot of oil revenues and was able to use that to buy off tribal structures and so on in order to repress the need to send within society and so i think that there is a real absence of broad national institutions and civil society in libya that could . turn into a sort of troublesome vacuum. and in the absence of the strong central leader well the question becomes who is going to step into that vacuum my understanding and

again you're the expert i'm not but my understanding was that gadhafi represented you know just one of many tribes and that was his power base and it wasn't one of the tribes that's where all the oil is and the some of the some of the larger tribes or some of the more geographically close to the oil tribes may end up now just being in charge and so it might just be. meet the new boss same as the old boss just from a different tribe is that right as it's it's a troublesome paradigm because it's one that you had. in iraq as well where the resources were largely in the areas of one in that case sectarian group rather than tribal group and they can cause tensions and strife and it's always a problem. administering revenue sharing across an entire national society and i'm not i'm not sure exactly how i mean we like i said this is all speculation but for the meantime you've got the transitional national council in place which is the rebel alliance that's based and as the and is. for the moment at least seems to

be a unified opposition movement and i'm actually i'm not mad spirit i should say that i'm just a reporter so i just follow these things pretty closely but we have an expert at the center for american progress sara marjon who put out a piece today that where she was explaining that the there's really a need for the transitional national council to do precisely what you're talking about and make sure that they become a broadly inclusive. movement for the transition and that would include even former gadhafi regime elements really but all libyans have to be included in this process and i think that's going to be an early key know how it shakes out if it's going to end up being a more fractured society in a federalized system it might be too soon to tell the society there might be better suited to a system like that but we really don't know yet but for the meantime i think that that it's definitely is a good piece of advice that the t.n.c. should try to unify all libyans under its banner and build the institutions of

civil society in in iraq and in the middle we have left here in iraq the you know basically you had a sunni strongman running a country that was mostly shia and now it seems to be kind of slipping and it's still up in the air is there a sunni shias schism a sectarian schism in libya or is it just purely tribal you know. my understanding is it's mostly tribal difference i mean there are certainly some religious extremist elements but it's just it's unclear you know it's such a it's such a black hole because of the way that gadhafi ran the place for four decades that we don't really know have a very good idea what's going on there we know that there were you know some of the actually there's a connection that some of the extremists that fought in the iraqi search and insurgency didn't fact come from libya it was one of the largest providers of insurgents through iraq or that's not necessarily an indication that there's going to be an overwhelming islamic extremists trained there and that it necessarily has something to become alarmist about. but you know i mean i think that the gadhafi

did represent the tribe but he managed to contain a lot of of society's own oppositions and we don't exactly know it's going to happen yet but it's going to be interesting to watch it shake out and i hope things go smoothly ali thank you very much very much i really appreciate it tom great to have you here with you. president obama as the man who gave the speech in egypt last year which conservatives attacked in which he stood next to decatur barak and told the people in middle east of the middle east they wouldn't have to tolerate dictators laying the groundwork for it for the arab spring that's what happens now that gadhafi is gone it's anyone's guess revolutions breed unexpected consequences for example just look at iran in the fifty's and seventy's or iraq for them in the fifty's and so but there are some people who have laid the stuff out who have looked at how this works and have put together a couple of theories on these and grammar is one of them he came up with a notion called the jake or actually there's two jaker i'm talking about in this

minute or two but his j. curve lays out stability on the vertical axis openness on the on the horizontal axis you start with a country that's very stable but not all open so this would be like saudi arabia for example you know basically a dictatorship or a very you know rigidly controlled country and then that can rigid control the stability collapses as the country becomes more open. and then you see this increase as openness increases into an increase and stability this is the movement of a society from an authoritarian closed society to a functional open and stable society this is the ideal curve that we're hoping to see here but in the bottom of the j. curve by the way this is the period of danger because a lot of countries get down to here and they flip right back up here and this this is what could happen in iraq is what could happen in afghanistan is what happened in libya very easily but why the revolution in the first place there is

a here's another another graphic of another j. j. curve this is built on one thousand nine hundred sixty two work done by james channing davies and what he pointed out is that when a people's expectations are here and reality tracks as a fixation is a problem when reality starts separating away from those expectations this is unacceptable gap this is the time of revolution. so one of the ways this gap between expectations and road and reality what one of the ways there's two ways basically to prevent revolution one is to keep reality going with expectations which is you know continue growing the society make it more and more open build civil society whether it's iraq afghanistan or the united states for that matter. or the other is to more slowly change the expectations for example we've seen this year and even in the united states where the expectations there's a there's a second graphic here that shows this here we go where if you can bend that

expectation curve if you can you know over the last thirty years of reaganomics by saying things like oh you know the. free trade will eventually kick in just just hang on yeah we're going to lose you know ten twenty million jobs that it will eventually if you can change the expectations even as realities crashing that gap ever get so wide there creates a revolution and so it's really interesting to consider how all this stuff works and libya is now facing several challenges openness and expectations as frankly as the united states we wish libya luck and we're going to need a rubber soles. it's time for ideally pull your chance to tell us what you think here's today's question will republicans drop their opposition and ask the new jobs in the stimulus package

asap your choices are yes people need jobs or no they want the economy to tank so obama is not reelected but i got to tell marvin dot com let us know what you think the poll be open until tomorrow morning. crazy we're back with global warming kill we l.e.o.'s park so-called news had a lot of fun with a report on friday from a group of scientists who warned that aliens might destroy humanity to save planet earth from manmade global warming since fox is the hub of phony science and climate change denial and media only strong sprung into action to ridicule the report and then directed their farts and viewers also known as zombies to a pole talking head meghan kelly's website asking what should be done to respond to the study gears had three choices try to curb greenhouse gases suggest the scientists out of create jobs or develop weapons to kill the aliens and the results

were all that surprising. so far three percent say we should immediately increase efforts to curb the greenhouse gases can't hurt to think a straight about nineteen percent suggest that we should develop weapons to kill the aliens first but the vast majority are saying that the scientists should skip the research on this issue and focus on how to create jobs we could use and that's that brains on that issue. ok that's right some park so-called news viewers were six times more likely to suggest developing weapons to kill over developing ways to curb greenhouse gas emissions when they were right on the jobs but still far to the worse viewers think the planet is under greater threat a threat from illian change invasion than from climate change and they don't even know about the robotic pigeons from xena that are already here. coming up if your cell phone provider is eighteen so you have some bad news for you the company

has screwed over customers throughout rages price spikes and why we all might get a better deal on wireless if we move to france. and what drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions complete couldn't break through get through if you have made who can you trust no one who is in view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our t. question more.

agency is screwing over its customers the company announced last week that it will no longer offer a popular monthly plan of one thousand text messages for just ten bucks instead eighteen c. is forcing customers to choose between a plan that costs twenty cents per text or not unlimited text plan for twice the price twenty bucks a month meaning the vast majority of its customers will end up paying double what they pay now in their monthly cell phone bill for text messages eighty defended the plan changed by claiming that they were just trying to streamline their offerings but the organization free press is firing back. in a press release last week free press so the rate change is merely a price hike in sheep's clothing

a group went on to say this unilateral move to gouge customers by raising prices on a service where it earns a nearly one hundred percent profit margin calls into question eighty and he's claims that the wireless market is perfectly competitive in a truly competitive market no carrier could get away with raising prices on a service where it already charges a ten million percent markup. so is there a real problem with compatible that of most of america's wireless market and if so what needs to be done to solve it joining me now is joel kelsey political advisor of free speech dot net well welcome thank you tom thanks for having me ten million percent that's right yeah the eight hundred feet by streamlining what they call their texting plans are forcing new consumer new subscribers to choose either between a twenty dollars per month unlimited message plan or paying the current rate of twenty cents per text message now we don't really know how much it cost eighteen t.

to deliver that service to subscribers but most estimates put one text message around three tenths of a penny that it cost eighteen nineteen. and for consumers i mean is that right you know if for consumers that means two hundred forty dollars a month which is a lot more than they were paying if they signed up for a five dollars month plan or a fifty dollars plan right and then at two hundred forty year you see in the two hundred forty year or so and i think a lot of consumers is the doubt smartphones are beginning to make text messaging obsolete they're adopting things like google talk like instant messaging technology things that are stand ins for text messaging really and that are free eighteen t. knows this they're scared of it and they want to kind of try to suck that last amount of monopoly profit out of consumers before this kind of tax revenue revolution happens and hence the price the price hike well speaking of scared of the. couple of articles in new york times over the last eight or nine months here

just some real quick quote it's one in france and this is not uncharacteristic of the rest of the e.u. countries would just use france's example hundred megabyte download internet speed which we would consider commercial grade high speed. five megs is what i get as a consumer. unlimited phone to phone. unlimited phone service to seventy countries not just in one unlimited wireless anywhere in the country unlimited smart unlimited smart phone use thirty three dollars a month. and and the reason why is because france says you want to build a tower that's fine you have to let any company that wants to use that tower use that they pay you a fee for it and you have to use that fee to build more towers but basically it's and it's the way it was when i lived in vermont we had it you know horizon on the

the copper but we'd water telephone service from green mountain telephone letter and literally i was twenty five bucks a month flat rate it was a great service they got four blocks down the street would come over i call up with a problem and fix the phone or you get your internet service from a.o.l. or link or prodigy or item or of other come for anybody and so it was all cheap so it looks like we have become not a pure monopoly is not just one company but a do well probably or try out the lawyers something something so close to monopoly that there's really no longer any price competition in those states is that is that i think it's a pretty accurate picture and unfortunately there's no policy to try to get back to the place where we had that kind of competition and it was both disappointing price and actions. back in the picture that you've painted several decades ago. was allowed things like the internet revolution to happen allowed things like you know companies like google like facebook like skype to innovate and to reach

millions of consumers across the country and scale these models that started out in garages up and be the reason that was because you had a number of competitors out there in the marketplace that were offering services to consumers and if they tried to interfere with those innovators like google like skype consumers walk away and go somewhere else you also had a number of public policies at the foot. communications commission that were done away with essentially over the last you know ten years or so from two thousand and you know they see variation of the show national trust to act exactly and so both because of market consolidation you see an elimination of several firms both in the wireline market like comcast rise in one thousand nine hundred and also the wire less market and now you only have really four nationwide competitors a.t.m. t. and t. mobile not want to it which brings us to because this is a topic and in fact back to cable real quickly just in japan it's one hundred

sixty megabits per second twenty dollars and then you know times notes cable operators are concerned that not only if they do the same here in the states where the prices fall but that the super fessor is longer it's present to watch a video on the web and drop their cable service which is profitable. and if they offer one hundred minutes service it opens a pandora's box everybody will get a video on the internet and in the competition drive prices down to forty bucks but other video which is desirable for kids who were going to put the companies out of business is there any possibility. that this is ministration or any administration for that i mean some of these companies now have are larger than the g.d.p. of most nations that we have that we can politically take these guys on i mean i think it really is a question of political will there's a set number of policies that the federal communications commission and the congress could enact that would not only encourage new competitors to enter this market lower the barriers to entry for them to do so but it also would force the

existing companies to drive down rates and free up some of the innovative energy in the market right now and it's really a question of political will a several other countries that you mentioned japan france the netherlands they chose to walk down that road they chose to create an adopt open access policies which would allow several competitors to. over the wires that companies like comcast horizon own and they made an investment. in pushing those policies they fought hard to get those policies adopted and what we see afterwards are countries like japan offering service for half the price at twice the speed as average americans here in the united states get and they're still going on and they're still making money it's absolutely profitable and you know all of these countries i think just like any profit seeking firm in a market. will price will develop their prices in relation to consumer demand not necessarily in relation to the cost how much it costs them to deliver that service

and when you have one or two companies in a market that's not a bellwether of a competitive marketplace and that's not enough competition to discipline price the good people adopting a disparate edition it's all thanks so much for being with you kind of push it. it's time to bring back the sherman antitrust act and put an end to monopolies of all kinds in the united states. is just. it's going to get out of the very very first face for face recently ugly. bill burton and former white house spokesman appeared on fox yesterday morning and ripped apart karl rove i mean completely got to go. what is his action he has yet to put pen to paper and issue a jobs plan or a deficit reduction plan in the last nine months plays

a second about ideological rigidity it comes from those issues would you advise him on this karl but as someone who is a leader in the white house that turned a record surplus into a deficit that got us involved in a war that we never should have been and trying to for the new york stock exchange into a casino i don't think the american people are quite ready to hear a lecture from you well good governor what are you. guys i appreciate the insult i'm. i appreciate the insult as i don't it's only about you it's a you're going to say whatever the matter is and as a fact of the matter is if you think. it's a real mystery that much of the blame for pity's troubles fall at the feet of the bush administration and karl rove it sure is nice hearing the facts called out once in a while even if it is on fox or news a bad senator and lindsey graham the two republicans really. so the apparent victory of the rebels in libya congratulating all of those forces that made it happen. except the united states the strange statement from these two united states

senators read we commend our british french and other allies as well as our arab partners especially tar in the u.a.e. for their leadership in this conflict but we regret that the success was so long in coming due to the failure of the united states to employ the full weight of our air power. i almost forgot the republican president obama cannot receive any credit under any circumstances if a republican were in the white house on the other hand and mccain and rand would be hosting it there to a parade for him or her and a very very ugly the donald. trump is david letterman likes to call it was on fox so called news this morning to give his advice on what our military should do now that libya is under control of the rebels. so why don't we get out of it i don't we take you well i mean why are we reimburse you guys so if you know the old days when you went to war you can get a picture belong to spoils right. because it's their oil that's why we're not

taking it. is because our military dropped a few bombs in tripoli doesn't mean we now have the right to loot libya of their most precious natural resource if you're really interested one in take your crackpot team of investigators who are still looking for president obama's birth certificate and why over to libya and drop plans to take their oil sure they'll be very welcome that's actually very true. coming up millions of americans continue a desperate search for jobs so will the nation for the president silence dissipated jobs plan for a much needed relief or will republicans block that to. what drives the world the fear mongering use. politicians who made the decision couldn't break through get through it if you made who can you trust no one who has you in view who would have global machinery see where we had

a state controlled capitalism is called satchels when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. welcome back to the big picture i'm starvin coming up in this half hour the curtain

on the obama administration's jobs plan hasn't even been lifted and the g.o.p. is already throwing water on the idea so is it becoming clearer and clearer that republicans just don't care about the millions of unemployed americans or our fragile economy and from jobless to homeless the housing crisis is still ripping home so we from the american family meanwhile guess who's doing just fine thanks there's a tale of two recoveries coming up. president obama is not expected to unveil his job creation plan for another few weeks the republicans are already lining up against it as for the idea of more spending on infrastructure bush's brain karl rove railed against it yesterday morning on fox.