welcome to show or get the real headlines with none of the mercy working live out of washington d.c. now tonight we're going to take another look at the situation in libya just how reliable is the information coming from the rebels on the international criminal court and work with cut off in hiding then the school to prison pipeline as it's called is only getting worse with a look at the effects of criminalizing students and what should mostly be considered kids the kids and approval ratings for congress and president obama are at new lows so americans are obviously unhappy but we thought that you know what

that angry comedian can probably say better than the rest of us alone as monk is going to be on the program tonight we're going to all of that and more including a dose of happy hour but first let's take a look at the mainstream media has decided to miss. so on like one or two days ago today the libyan people who have been celebrating in the streets are back in their homes the fighting continued in tripoli rebels stormed the market office compound where the colonel himself is still to be found. filled with black smoke that you see in the skies there over tripoli coming from moammar gadhafi compound the fierce battle that is taking place as rebels are trying to overtake the capital there tripoli the question is where is khadafi another question is what about gadhafi has weapons. so today of course we're back to the on the ground coverage where yesterday the mainstream media was already turning their vision back to d.c. and birthparent bickering about how this could politically be a win or

a lose for president obama thanks in large part to nato forces and the united states libya will likely be free if a cruel dictator libya is celebrating all the shocking collapse of gadhafi regime after four decades of cool quiet critics who say president obama is leading from behind does the congressional displeasure with the way this war has been run by the administration does that go away or is that still to be investigated. and as i explained yesterday the problem with all that coverage is that no matter what ends up happening in libya no matter how long it takes for gadhafi to fall or what kind of a government is formed in the aftermath this will change the one simple fact that the president got us into this war illegally but he never asked congress unilaterally made the decision to devote our resources which at the moment according to the pentagon turns out it's cost us the taxpayers eight hundred and ninety six million dollars to be involved in libya and he never even asked so let me harp on this one

more time because as i mentioned yesterday it's not like this is something new something unheard of now quite obviously when it comes to some of the worst examples of the executive abuse of power which unfortunately we've seen a number of times now with this administration they don't bother analyzing or talking about it or asking about it they just have collective amnesia they move on who cares about upholding certain principles of the rule of law and what dangerous precedent could be set in the future for this country so i'm going to take it upon myself to remind you of another example now we reported to you before on the show. about the global settlement agreement that's been in the works for almost a year after attorneys general allen's investigations into robo signing scandal so the banks now the hope was that this would lead to a much wider investigation that maybe they will look into how banks inflated the housing bubble but it turns out in the settlement of the o.j. was trying to push wouldn't be doing that you know instead they would just make bank of america citigroup j.p. morgan chase and wells fargo pay twenty billion dollars and in exchange the

attorneys general would have to agree to be barred from bringing any further litigation and there's one figure that really stood out here new york attorney general eric schneiderman who is refusing to sign on finally we saw somebody willing to stand up save the banks do not deserve to get off scot free here now of course twenty billion is exactly scot free but considering how many millions of americans found themselves underwater with their home loans in their mortgages it's a pretty small number but this week we found out of the obama administration is in fact putting the new york attorney general under increasing pressure to drop his opposition to this settlement and they're not just pressuring him you know they're waging a campaign by contacting his allies including consumer groups and advocates for the borrowers. now does anybody else see something really really wrong with this picture the obama administration is using their muscles of pressure and attorney general to let the banks crimes be brushed under the rug and the sick thing is that they're trying to make this about the people they're claiming of this sort of that needs to go through to deliver much needed relief to hard pressed borrowers so

that's it we should just rush it through never investigate the banks involved in the housing bubble because let's face it washington and wall street are way too close so then they're just going to try to make it about the people give me a break that's disgusting that is as eve smith of naked capitalism was going to guest on this show called it corruption plain and simple the obama administration is corrupt this president abuses his executive powers to involve us in wars to place americans on assassination lists to push courts to get rid of warrants and of course to not investigate the bush administration or wall street for all of their wrongdoing but you know that's another thing that the mainstream media would rather not look into that's another thing that they are more than happy to miss. so today became very clear that libya is still in complete disarray and the images of rebel storming off his compound have been on every t.v.

screen so as images of those who looted the compound one man coming out would get off his hat and gold chain on but having gold chains aside let's continue to look at what we could see in the near future what's going to happen to the weapons and do some people have a clue as to where it off he might be hiding or discuss this with me is retired lieutenant colonel anthony shaffer senior fellow for center for the center of advanced defense studies and packed america excuse me ok. i messed up your title gaffers i can't tony so of course if we compare what we've seen over the last couple days to what we're seeing going on now it's pretty clear that something wasn't adding up to me we heard the rebels claiming that's it tripoli had been taken over that the gadhafi regime had fallen like a house of cards today we saw and you know i think we should bring in of course his sons into this hama it was so that sense who have been arrested turns out he's escaped right safe was also reported to have been arrested the international criminal court was the person to report this they said that they would be bringing him to the international criminal court he rolls out in

a white limousine to prove to everybody that he's still alive and to send a message there so where's the break well it's chaos and i think that's what we're seeing here no one is really in charge and i think that's what people should be most. anytime you look at a situation like this where you have a social structure completely gone and let's be totally honest it's sort of these points are really really relating to what's out there there are weapons out there a lot of weapons and more frightening is that khadafi for all of his giving things up never gave up all of his chemical weapons we're talking about i'm told mustard gas mustard gas and sarah two of two things which are huge bargaining chips so there's no surprise he's not been found i my sources told me that he's in africa somewhere but clearly not tripoli now let's talk more about these weapons he said there are some chemical weapons what else does he have of course he was he's not supposed to have any of these scud missiles that rosalie there are a lot of people a lot of confusion about that when it turns out they just fired and that's the tip

of the iceberg these are older soviet era weapons but they're very effective there's a yes a seven grail which is a surface to air missile there's tons of weapons relating to. just individuals having weapons and they could be a problem when you try to start settling people down one of the things i google is going to happen is you'll see a coalescing of groups. and tribes into smaller groups this is going to be a lot more like afghanistan then in iraq when we start settling things because a lot of these groups have grievances of the have and have nots and really what your guest earlier on the network was talking about the fact that most people approach against gadhafi because they were very unhappy they had grievances not because they were you know all that freedom loving i mean it but you know that's something that we've seen i think across the arab spring is you can say there's been a unity in so many of these countries because they are unhappy with mubarak right or event to leave it and once the revolution is over once you do pose this leader

then what happens then if people aren't exactly so united but so let's talk about this problem of weapons even more because what nato their mission for starters was only supposed to be protecting civilians right you could say that that already there's been a lot of mission creep into what's going on there so are they going to use this is some kind of leverage to have boots on the ground or whatever you want to call it to say that we need to protect these we need to see whose hands they get into but i really wonder how the people of misrata feel about how well they were protected since look literally tens of thousands of individuals either displaced or killed in the process of that place being protected with that said there's a real possibility now because the secretary of state hillary clinton said it that there will probably have to be some level of state department and defense folks go into quote unquote this are the individuals especially these of these surface to air missiles which could be used very effectively as a terrorist weapon so inevitably you're talking about some level of people on the ground now i can say this from what my research has indicated i don't think we

would libyan people really want boots on the ground so you're talking about potentially another afghanistan situation let's not forget afghanistan for the first couple years wasn't that big a deal the afghan people supported a limited footprint there because we were doing revenge they get there but the idea of us coming in to help them our case of afghanistan or now in libya i think that they would become much more problematic and that we would be calmer nato would become not very well liked they're very well liked right now because. but what's happened that that could change pretty quickly and why i think i'll see if you can test whether they're very well liked because of course there are pockets there's talk about the royalists out there as you mentioned there are thousands of people that could have been killed so the end of the day there's always going to be this is tinge right because there is violence occurring but what people need to disarm them of weapons that means that will come in and what it will take them for you will hold them for safe keeping the military term for this is called peace support it's either peacemaking or peacekeeping anywhere you cut it means troops on the ground and so this is this is something we talked about

a few months ago this is much like we're doing bosnia we are still in bosnia we were there still trying to help keep the sides apart and that's where this seems to be going because again the monarchy those who were loyal to the monarchy thirty two years ago in the east are the ones who are the have nots are the ones who rose up and from benghazi moved west it is they who have been ruling this national trial this national transitional council they just and this is nothing has not been well reported they had a purge about a week ago because they had too many people from the tribes in the east so there's really no cohesiveness within the the m.t.c. at this point in time so this is the worst possible time to not have a coherent team ready to take charge we do not have a government reading and that's why the situation i believe is more you know potentially violent now than it was you know what he said i'm really surprised about that right i mean that's the entire that's what happens when you get yourself involved in a civil conflict where there are a lot of you know tribal differences here it's obviously not going to be black and

white you can't possibly expect to start supporting or recognizing why i mean a rebel group called the trans national or excuse me the transitional national council and expect that you represent all libyans i was on the air with ambassador all utilities to record a master from libya on the nineteenth of march and i said then this is not going to be quick this is not going to kinetic so the question is if i knew that others knew that. why didn't the white house know that because president obama said the exact opposite so the question because days not weeks is not weeks here we are six months later and i think we're now entering the most dangerous period of the conflict and to say that we can declare victory now to me is a premature almost. silly recognition of victory one the victory is not always secure you have the most potential for civilians to be killed because of as you pointed out these pockets of khadafi loyalists are still aren't really believed even to lay down their weapons and just kind of you know walk up and say

i'm with you i don't think it's going to happen this is where we have to be much more real and what's going to happen next within the series it was a series of events coming up in the conflict now at the same time of course you can say that what we found out i think it was late march probably that there were already already cia operatives in libya of course the no boots on the ground game but we know that britain we know that france already sent in people to be called in special forces you can call them the trainers i bet that we have special forces there too somehow i don't know i just feel that all skeptical and i assume that we're there let me ask you this are running out and i'm actually one last question of course you are saying that from your sources say it often might be somewhere else in africa there is of course this hotel where journalists are being held and there have been some rumors floating around on the internet what better place for him to hide underneath this hotel where of course you know nato strike is going to hit no rebels you're going to attack because you have international journalists in there so always possible but i think he's much more fox like that but i think he's moved on i think he's got money here in the places we don't even know so i think

this could become a problem for the national community to track him down clearly you know one of the issues that led to this dragging on was not giving him an exit i think he screwed his own exit will move over the next few days what it will be in your judgment the same time he did have kind of an exit for a while there were a lot of countries that were offering him asylum he would take it right all right i want to thank you so much for joining us here obviously we will be covering this for a while and the pentagon today that we spent eight hundred nine. eighty six million dollars so far i just wonder how that's going to keep taking up and up and up and up thanks to you. now still to come tonight should miranda rights be given free with non u.s. citizens but is it a decision was made on that issue when given why not when we return also students in trouble with the law the growing trend here in the u.s. turning students into criminals rather valko senior writer an investigative reporter for the huffington post will join me in just a moment to discuss. it also gives you

a story of the siege so you think you understand it and then you glimpse something else here's you some of the part of it and realized everything you saw. i'm sorry is a big issue. and yet oh oh. fuck fuck fuck fuck.

let's not forget that we live in apartheid right. i think russia even wanted well. we never got the feds there for keep him safe get ready because their freedom. you have the right to remain silent anything you say can and will be used against

you in a court of law you have the right to speak to an attorney and to have an attorney present during any questioning if you cannot afford a lawyer one will be provided for you i've got an expense and whether you've been in trouble with the law before or if you watched cops law and order a million of other t.v. shows out there are probably familiar with that statement better known as miranda rights and there are even elements of this you could say in the constitution without fathers wanted to ensure that all people in america were protected from the government's ability to assume anyone skills after supreme court ruling in the sixty's it's mandatory for anyone placed under arrest to know these rights however a recent ruling by the board of immigration appeals decided that non-citizens arrested without a warrant do not need to be read their rights until after entering formal deportation proceedings and this ruling said the until an alien who is arrested without a war is placed in formal proceedings by the excuse me by the filing of a notice to appear the regulation does not require immigration officers to advise

the alien that he or she has a right to counsel and any statements made during interrogation can subsequently be used against the alien in other words if you're an immigrant a non-citizen meaning that you're an undocumented or a legal permanent resident and your detained by officers in ice or void patrol those officers are required to read your miranda rights however we should about law enforcement local law enforcement do still have to do this this like i said applies to border patrol and ice but despite the fact that most of the media has failed to cover this this ruling is a really big deal to arrest anyone despite their legal status without informing them of their ability to not incriminate themselves just because they're not citizens is absurd apparently you're only insured constitutional rights if you're a citizen no matter if you are here legally as a resident with documents that is ridiculous as somebody was a legal resident in this country beginning at the age or four and who didn't receive their citizenship until the age of two. anyone i find that very scary now

by now the government made no bones about their bias towards who they consider real americans and have been on the hunt for anybody who doesn't fit that profile but keep somebody in the dark not inform them of those rights when evidently to people incriminating themselves the exact thing our system seeks to protect you against so all obama's been working on immigration policies and deportation in recent weeks perhaps he should also question this latest ruling by the board of immigration appeals it's a dangerous president to create two tiers of justice for people in this country and it's time for the obama administration to stand up for the law and for what's right . now it seems like everything is being criminalized in today's society perhaps the most dangerous trends we see is the criminalization of students think of a five year old in st petersburg florida who was arrested handcuffed and shackled to a police cruiser for throwing a temper tantrum a twelve year old in forest hills new york who is perp walked out of her school and taken to the police station then handcuffed to

a pole for two hours after she doodled on her desk a twelve year old boy in louisiana with hyperactive disorder who was suspended for two days after telling kids in the lunch line i'm going to get you if they ate all the potatoes and he ended up being charged for making terroristic threats and then was jailed for two weeks while awaiting trial those are some the most extreme examples but we see suspensions taken citations being handed out for everything from truancy to senior pranks to non violent actions and i was talking about this before in the show this so-called school to prison pipeline but new studies so just how damaging the effects really are state of texas examined almost a million children and almost four thousand texas schools and they found that six in ten public school students were suspect who were suspended or expelled at least once between seventh and twelfth great and those who had been suspended or expelled were nearly three times as likely to come in contact with the juvenile system the following year one hundred start to begin with and what does that mean for young

people in this country joining me to discuss this is radley balko senior writer and investigative reporter for the huffington post rally thanks so much for joining us tonight this is this one really has my blood boiling this story makes me so angry but maybe you can try to rationalize for us a little bit and go back through history tell us how it is that we came up with this system with the zero tolerance policies. well i'm not i'm probably not going to get less angry. look i mean i think we are criminalizing everything in our society and we finally reach a point where we're criminalizing childhood look i mean kids need to be able to make mistakes and part of being a kid is making mistakes and they need to be able to make them in a way that doesn't affect them to the rest of their lives and you know the criminal justice system is a very instrument for correcting mistakes and you know i think we saw it starting with these texting excuse me sexting prosecutions where you know teenagers have been showing their body parts to one each other to one another or basically all of

human history. and technology into the mix and all of a sudden now we're protecting minors from being exploited or for exposing themselves i guess by charging them as child pornographers or forcing them to register register sex offenders for the rest of their lives i think it's it is kind of this march toward criminalizing everything you can't make mistakes be more is bad things can't just happen anymore somebody has to tell you that when i think we're seeing that now you know extended down to. you know. and you know it's unfortunate and i don't really. i mean i don't have anything to say they can make me feel better. i mean some of these things you're right the sense of they're criminalizing childhood because some of this is the mistake of temper tantrum as a five year old never really said a mistake i would say that that's just a normal part of growing up or you know the same way dealing on a desk sorry that's not i you know some criminal offense if you ask me but where do you think if we go into the schools where is it coming from is it because we have

zero tolerance policies and sometimes teachers even though they think the kids get in trouble just want to abide by those policies are because now you have campus police everywhere and maybe they're the ones that are deciding to be a little overzealous with giving out or could be both. yeah i mean i think it's all of these things i mean zero tolerance is certainly part of it but a lot of this i mean it comes down to discretion discretion on the part of school administrators to call the police in the first place i mean zero tolerance usually needs to suspension it doesn't need to calling the cops and shackling five year olds to police cars that's you know that's an abuse of discretion and used by the school administrators to call the cops and use but a cop and then when prosecutors charge these kids it's an abuse of their discretion as well you know their story a couple years ago in chicago where there's a food fight you know and these middle school kids are throwing theater to each other and maybe a dozen or so were arrested and charged with felonies i mean it's it's insanity i mean kids are going to make mistakes it's what they do and it's really it's a failure also i think of other community institutions to sort of step in and one

be outraged by this but also to you know step in and say this is you know desirable to correct its mistakes and your guidance your child but not the role of cops and prosecutors and prison so well let's talk about trying to get a community involved so here's an interesting story that i read coming out of texas today of course on the just recently released that study where they so how many kids of suspensions or or have been expelled and they actually are asking people at the schools are paying people attached to reports truancy help out the cops there i want to think about that i feel like then they're encouraging people to criminalize these students by would they just call out a good will and now they're saying we'll give you a classic. yeah i mean it used to be you'd call its parents right or you could ask the kid where he lives or you. can do that anymore because you and you accused of being a look at a file in the waiting list but no i mean it used to be that there were there were

community sort of family. solutions to these problems and i think again it's you know that you know the only way to show it is sufficiently show that we're serious about a problem is to make it criminal or to criminalize it in some way you see this all the time i mean there there ought to be a law phenomenon i mean it's not enough just that people show bad judgment and we can't show on them and say. it's not enough to say you're doing something bad it reacted we have to pass a law making criminal we have to give them a criminal record we have to arrest them we're not happy until we see people names out so i mean that's you know that's a larger kind of societal problem i think that will take so much i you know these are things that you and i started about all the time even when it doesn't come to kids we just talk about the prison system in this country in the fact that then you create a second class of citizens these people become disenfranchised then they can't get jobs so they end up filtering through the prison system over and over and over again and now studies have shown and numerous studies including this recent on this

came out last month there at the exact same thing happens to kids that right there are three times as likely to somehow be within the juvenile system the next year or that you're more likely to drop out of school if it doesn't work for adults why would they think that we're. yeah well. you know if it effects the much earlier in life questions there should be rippling repercussions you know go on for a longer period of time but you know i mean there are studies actually shown to harvard study done with a couple years ago showing in that i mean not only does it affect having a criminal record or the actual criminal in the person when they get out it makes it harder to get a job and you know your income is reduced for the rest of their lives their tax their family extra piers it's actually sort of spreads out beyond the individuals incarcerated when we have entire communities and neighborhoods that get affected from a single incarceration and you know in a country that's approaching now you know over one percent of the population to behind bars your own rule. you know really scary prospect i have course you know we've seen in the same way that we saw the cash for kids. there we saw everybody i

think saw the video we played on this show because our son ended up taking his life and she was basically blaming this judge for that state of mind i want to ask you to since you're so well versed with all the statistics there is this texas study basically showed in dallas that black kids make up thirty percent of the population and yet sixty two percent of the citations do you think that the race is an issue only here in texas or is that something was a nationwide. i mean it's certainly i think it's a problem nationwide and you know you don't have to believe that every cop in every prosecutor's where he says to believe that these laws have a disproportionate effect on blacks and hispanics and think lower income people in general tend to be disproportionately black and spend it you know the drug war doesn't you know you don't you don't see very many drug cops infiltrating opportunities or or you know cater to states although there's plenty of drug use going on both places it's you know in new york city when they're doing the stop and

frisks they're doing them in minority neighborhoods and low income neighborhoods so you have this is i mean certainly it's in a disproportionately affect those communities makes it more difficult for those communities to. migrate into higher income brackets and to me but escape the cycle of poverty of things so they have all of this pricing is supposedly trying to respond to this we have a chorus eric holder we have arnie duncan secretary of education saying of their lodging a new initiative to go after this what are your thoughts in terms of how high they will go whether it will actually. well i mean i'm not really sure what they can do i mean best thing that they can do to address all this is to reform the drug laws and particularly that you know stop sending federal grants out to local police departments in exchange for drug arrest and to call off the road work to be on marijuana which i think is really where a lot of this damage being done but in terms of you know what even with the clothes i mean they said that they're going to you know try to go after the zero tolerance policies to stop this school called the present i plan specifically. i mean i don't

i mean i really don't know what the department of justice can do in terms of telling local law enforcement i mean law enforcement is traditionally a an issue that's supposed to have left up to the states and left up to two. more. since and i'm not really sure i mean you want to consider an example they can all competent as they can encourage local commissions to show better judgment and how to do that be great but you know in terms of actual setting and actual policy i'm not sure there's a whole lot they can do other than maybe withholding federal funding maybe they can do that but i didn't really didn't or i'm going out of their way to see if we have they had a break but we'll see if the policy actually doesn't have a thanks so much for joining us tonight. also the gallery of art of selling sell and is that criticizing president obama and congress viro polonius month joins us in the studio. with us.