oh i'm sorry marvin in washington d.c. and here's what's coming up tonight on the big picture ten celebrations continue in the streets of tripoli as rebel forces seize could our fees compound today the well it's become a game of where's waldo are. in the middle east so how long will the ells to dictator be on the run and what's next for libya plus the days of ask your congressman seem to be gone and members of congress are spending their august vacation here's a hint they're avoiding their constituents. you

need to know this rebel forces are now declaring victory in tripoli saying their six month fight for the nation is over but danger is still lurks gunfire blanketed the streets of tripoli today as rebel forces tighten their grip on power in libya moammar gadhafi his military one of the last remaining strongholds of pro-government forces was overrun today and looted in a violent offense that gadhafi himself is still nowhere to be found although his infamous that has turned up. i may say wouldn't be a view had colonel gadhafi. only had me feel you've got my hat and my you know i didn't think you were going to be one of the really three heart oh you just went

through five years of which if you know is there yeah get out of the bedroom and i know it was there was a really i was like oh my god i mean that's reasonable. but then there. i think i think i probably did i was like oh my goodness i have to you know i'm having this thing how do you how do you live you can press the brighter side of the revolution and while celebrations erupted in many parts of the city there is still an an ease among residents as groups of procrit of the forces roam the streets and nato bombings continue to stamp out the last pockets of gadhafi hour in tripoli and the early euphoria of rebel fighters as the end of the gates of tripoli has subsided as they recognize that there are likely will be more bloodshed along this road to revolution so are we nearing the end game in libya and what will it look like and where the heck is all market off joining me now for some answers as allies

a gripe a senior fellow at the new america foundation or porter at the daily beast eliza welcome thank you for having me thanks for joining us so people are celebrating in tripoli is the worst over or is it about to begin. who at no kentucky appeared on radio about fifteen minutes ago saying he was going to intimidate thight aggression but where is he no one knows and the question you know we've been kind of bringing this up all week but it it bears i think repeating when egypt fell the institutions of civil society were there there you know the various departments of government were not just cronies of mubarak they were actual departments with bureaucrats who actually knew how to do their jobs and they stayed there even though most of them were affiliated with the military and institutions of civil governance survived the revolution for lack of a better word in libya those institutions have been stunted for forty three years

it's basically been government by mafia what is there any indication at this point who's going to step into this massive power vacuum and what the nature of the group or the people will be who do so. here's what we know we know this transitional government has really said and really is likely to stand by the fact they are purely transitional within thirty days they promise to hand over the country really to elections now some of the people who are parts of the transitional government who mocked logy brill as one who actually worked under the dock a regime reluctantly for many many years this is a guy who's quite well educated and holds a couple of different degrees from the university of pittsburgh this is not a man looking to seize power and commit more atrocious human rights abuses so i think although it's far too early to say that we're out of the woods i think in

terms of actual intent of the transitional government we do see that libya has a shot toward a more peaceful future i just know as twenty four hours thirteen hundred people have been killed in libya the actual number of deaths in this whole bombing campaign of the six month campaign i've seen numbers all over the chip all of the my map you know all of the charts. at the end of the day is a is a worth of broadly speaking and b. is this is there any history of this being a particularly more or less effective way of bringing democracy to a nation than the basic bottom up uprising. well here's the thing well one thing that we've been smart about is not putting nato troops or u.s. troops on the ground and so that means that the rebels as well call them loosely don't have to rise up now in some kind of parallel bathurst kind of rebellion

because they're foreigners on their soil there's nothing to defend from outsiders really so that in itself gives us some peaceful hope was it worth it you know khadafi is a region lunatic and his son state who we thought was arrested has just appeared in the rixos hotel and is saying you know victory they're not giving up so he isn't worth getting a regime like that out of libya absolutely what is the u.s. role in terms of transitioning toward democracy that's a stickier question what is what effect is this going to have on the situation syria with mr assad it's definitely bringing more pressure on on president assad without question and that really is syria is the next domino in this domino effect we've seen happening throughout the arab spring now saudi arabia. few months ago took a whole bunch of oil money and past my recollection is it was an average of about

ten thousand dollars per citizen to basically you know keep their society closed but also keep it stable is that strategy going to work for saudi arabia and for some of the other control are the emirates some of these other. fairly hard fisted autocrats that have put the velvet glove you know will provide a social safety net over their iron fist. it's hard to know i you know i got off the phone from a friend who lives in jeddah about ten minutes ago and this sort of uprising is the farthest thing from her mind in a she's a housewife and mother of three she's looking to go back to work do i think that most of the people in saudi arabia right now are concerned with leadership in as in the same way they are say engineers are absolutely not i do think that the policies in the gulf states are going to be successful of course as long as the oil keeps flowing yet and so it's it's it's going to be

a matter of who ends up with her toilet and hard place. well yeah i mean it's almost eerie in this kind of desire twist of history about eighteen months ago i was sitting with my grill you know who's now the transitional prime minister talking about libya's future at the time he worked for this board of entrepreneurs under the gadhafi regime because essentially what cannot be spent trying to do for a while is as we know right by him sell back into us good graces and use his son say allison to do that why and this is a little bit freaky that much energy real said to me it's illicitly could be doesn't want to end up in a hole like is france and the same and now we have exactly where is he most likely right now probably in the network of tunnels and really irrigation tunnels thousands of miles beneath aaa so that's almost eerie but the other thing muhammad real said to me is you know libya has more than a drop of oil we need

a government we need education and i do think from a man on the street there is much more of an awareness of what libya could be than say in it and that is a man. very well said eliza thanks so much for being with us tonight thanks for having me we're now in a wait and see mode with regard to libya not just i'm going to work at garfield's but with the libyan people will do in his absence let's hope democracy wins that it . crazy alert pour in activism america's most notorious animal rights group peta may have just found the best new way to reach a wider audience they're starting their own porn site that's right the group whose ads have previously featured nude women posing in cages to protest wearing fur and women swallowing along vegetables to promote not eating meat is now going all the way and just doing straight porn in a conference call with the prosecutor confirmed that they are lindy looking into

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a state controlled capitalism school sessions when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. how do you keep your job if your employer gives you only a fourteen percent approval rating. maybe you avoid him or her that's exactly what congress is up to during this august recess avoiding their constituents and the organization no labels is reporting sixty percent of the members of congress are not holding any sort of open town hall meetings all their cation during the month of august a vacation that's supposed to be spent talking to constituents or some republican members like ryan and ben boyle are hosting closed corporate funded town halls that charge constituents as much as forty bucks a pop to expand and ask a question but the vast majority of members aren't even doing that much and the few

that are are probably regretting it like congressman steve shabbat of ohio who faced with this from constituents at his town hall meeting. nah. nah. nah us sort of like the t.s.a. and police all over the country he later banned constituents are bringing in cameras to the town hall hoping to avoid embarrassing you tube moments like his other republican colleagues who felt the wrath of their constituents. yes. that's true i don't. really. think that that that would get that says a wealthy person but i think that they were there and you know. that's really

the beauty of if. you want to take the public we administer programs such as medicare and turn it over to a private corporation tell me how my gramma's going to benefit from a peak season here. i guess american people aren't buying what the republicans are selling but even for the roughly half of the members of congress who are not holding town halls i go out all in here and guess that one hundred percent of them are hosting at least one fundraiser that's because to get reelected today you don't need to meet with your constituents but you must meet with deep pocketed corporate and wealthy campaign donors so what do the say that congress is cowering from angry voters and just how badly wounded is our democracy is

a consequence of for more on this of joined by william a goss. as the chair and senior fellow in governance studies at the brookings institution and a former policy adviser to president bill clinton welcome good to be here rather have you with us are first of all this is bipartisan in fact it looks like the numbers of democrats who are not holding to town hall meetings a slightly higher than that of republicans it's absolutely correct sixty something versus fifty and change. what in your mind is this a symptom of in the largest sense. and if i may how unique is this at this point in time versus say a decade or two or three ago well we're at a nearly unique moment in modern american history where trust in government is at an all time low or pretty close to it and so is the public regard expressed in public opinion surveys for the congress of the united states and this is truly on

a bipartisan basis the approval rating for republicans in congress is rock bottom but it's not much better for democrats and the american people right now have a very simple sentiment which i can sum up as follows a plague on both your houses and so the vision of the people back home is on a bipartisan basis. the. to what extent do you think that that is the consequence of. it in fact let me back this up and put a frame around this question. during the coolidge or during the harding coolidge and hoover administrations the mantra was less government business more business and government for forbid quote from coolidge. people was their faith in government in in the twenty's in the late twenty's in the during the who were ministration f.d.r. basically brought that faith back and that held through the eyes not republican

eisenhower administration i think in many ways even during the nixon administration although they lost their faith in nixon but then ronald reagan came along and campaigned on government as the problem and for the first time since coolidge we had heard a president and basically a montreux that government was broken government was the problem and i haven't heard much pushback on that in the thirty years since that time to what extent is that responsible for this distrust of government versus actual policies that seem to be working or or not. well there has been and india logical sea change in american politics since the late one nine hundred seventy s. there's no doubt about it but at the same time if you look at trust in government since ronald reagan took office it is very closely correlated with conditions in the country and specifically economic so the economy stupid well it's not only the economy but that's a good place to start when president clinton took office in one nine hundred ninety

two trust in government was down in the twenty's late in the one nine hundred ninety s. after six very good economic years trust had gone back up to the mid forty's now in the early and mid one nine hundred sixty s. when i was a kid trust in government was roughly seventy five percent and we haven't been back there in decades and we're not going to get back here any any place any time soon but still objective conditions have a lot to do with this sentiment and right now the objective conditions in the country are terrible and everybody knows it. to what extent is is the fact that our elected officials are not holding town our means that the having to spend in some of heard this from members of congress that they have to spend as much as half literally half their time talent for dollars raising money just if they're going to get reelected to what extent is that a symptom that our democracy has been broken and probably the death blow was citizens united. well are democracies in tough shape there's no question about it

one of the big reasons for that is that the poll racial polarization between the two major political parties is at a level that we have not seen since the one thousand ninety's that's not the one thousand nine years that's the eighteen nineties and so the decline of civility the inability to compromise the preference for any a logical point scoring at the expense of practical problem solving these are symptoms of a democratic disport or a democratic. dysfunction small d. and one of the big problems our country faces is that institutions and nations around the world are beginning to see us as dysfunctional what that means is that the things that they have to pendent almost for since the end of the second world war or now being called into question this is a really big for the united states in that it's not just a domestic problem or a crisis for democracy i hope bush will absolutely thank you so much for being with

pleasure i think joy it ernest to make sure there's a simple way to make members of congress responsible to their voters again and it's quite getting corporate money out of politics like most healthy democracies if figured out various ways to do money is to politics what cancer is to our bodies and with a time freed up from from praising the members of congress could begin to listen to we the people. phrase that the constitution begins with their constituents and in fact to take it a step beyond that you know the constitution it says members of congress can't be arrested you know unless they commit treason or felonies this could be basically their head there are no responsibilities there are no members of congress must do this laid out the constitution i'd like to propose one but you know it's maybe idealistic but i'd like to propose a. this comes out of the fact that john boehner the rules are we were two weeks on one week off in four days a week by the way so there's plenty of time to back in the district so how did

suggesting that you have to use at least half your vacation days which are about a half a year old town hall meetings to talk to your constituents if you're going to hold public office now the fact of the matter is oh and by the way you can't privatized them and you can't charge for them what paul ryan and ben quayle are doing you know forty bucks a pop if you want to ask a question and then basically tom has become fundraisers let's make them real town halls now the fact of the matter is that congress is not going to vote this rule for themself the you know they haven't two hundred some odd years and they're not a. today but we can push that each one of us have most of the district of columbia have two senators and one member of the house of representatives those three representatives in congress might be interesting to call them up and just say each one of them are you holding town hall nearby that i can visit you know if so where and if not why not us and just you know let him know that you'd like to be speaking with him and in fact you know senator bernie sanders in this program isn't just to

set up a town hall meeting with the local auditorium in your high school the local high school for example libre you usually get them for free get forty or fifty people to commit to show up and then tell your like representative we've got a meeting waiting for you you're going to be there tell the media bring them in and make it happen. america's biggest transnational corporations have a secret they don't want you to know about they're refusing to release just how many jobs they have created in the united states and how many jobs they've created over see over fears that if the american people saw just how much outsourcing they've been doing then they'd miss out on their tax breaks that corporations promise will help them create more jobs when it comes time to report hiring to government statisticians these transnationals do so under anonymity under the

promise or the promise that only the aggregate amount of job creation numbers will be released and not job creation on a company by company basis that aggregate number is troubling in and of itself for example between two thousand and two thousand and nine trans national corporations cut two point nine million jobs here at home and hired two point four million workers overseas and since lawmakers can't figure out which companies are actually creating jobs here in america and which ones aren't then it's impossible to determine who should get the tax cuts that are going to incentivize them to make matters worse the guy heading president obama's job creation council c.e.o. of general electric jeffrey immelt is one of the biggest jobs sorceror outsourcers around with over half of his workforce made up of foreign workers so why are we letting corporations get away with shipping more and more u.s. jobs overseas and what policies especially in regard to so-called free trade need

to be enacted to stop the exodus of american jobs here offer her take on the issues karen us prof executive director of work in america karen welcome thank you great to have you with us what's going on here i thought that the corporations were supposed to be. the the what's of this new frank let's throw you a job creators. yeah there are they get a sweet deal i have to say they're getting tax breaks for creating jobs here in the united states while they're shifting the majority of jobs overseas all under a veil of secrecy so it's a pretty good deal they've got money coming in every which way and we don't know what the what what's really going on behind it because they were used to disclose you know i mean one of the things that i found really interesting is that they refuse or refusal to disclose but let me back up just a little bit for our viewers who don't know. it work in america.

you work in america it's just you know it's a great resource for people who think you know who would like to be in a union but can't or even are unemployed and they want to have access to these resources if they put this thing together and working america dot org and this tremendous resource you have a job tracking database i spent about half an hour with this thing i saw after just playing with it and in fact we're going to we may be showing it on the screen right now yes we are right here and so you can see this is an actual animation of making hoops making the thing work and putting it in he put in a zip code and what comes out is the companies here is like ten companies that have been reporters exporting jobs you know what's going on how it's working and even naming the companies and how this is happening how did you put this database together and what kind of response you get to it well working americans just say is the fastest growing organization for regular working people who don't have the benefit of a union on the job we've got three million members and we talk to twenty thousand

people at their doorsteps every night and they most often talk about the way they feel the jobs crisis as being around outsourcing it's a really concrete way that they experience what someone fair and they know. that these corporations are reporting profits not investing in jobs in their communities and they suspect that they're going overseas so you can't find this information and we're still working america decided to go look for it ourselves we searched databases all over the place we had to match companies because none of the companies will use a single identifier when they have to report to the government and what we put together with information on four hundred thousand companies and whether they're sending jobs overseas or they're violating labor laws or occupational safety and health laws fair employment practices. and it's only touching the surface because

employers are not required to divulge most most of this information but it does mean that if you suspect that there are evil doers in your community on the corporate side you can go to job tracker at working american board slash job tracker and find out just what's happening in your community it's addictive. by putting my website first and there's like you know there's ten companies right around me that are outsourcing that's right and then i put in i grew up in lansing michigan and so i put in you know my my parents they're both deceased but i remember there's a code i put their zip code in and. you know it's. anyway. a lot of this is coming out of the fact that our lawmakers started drinking this so-called free trade kool-aid back you know reagan was promoting it herbert walker bush was the big debate with ross perot you know ross perot got twenty percent of the vote just on a so you know with the with the vice presidential candidate was like whoa what am i doing here and he still got twenty percent of the vote because he was saying and

this is nuts and i think most americans think so right and. you know at that time it was ron fifty percent popularity and that was with a lot of hype from both bush and clinton where is so-called free trade at now i keep saying whatever party. starts campaigning on get out of nafta get out of the p.t.o. is never ever going to lose an election again but i haven't seen stats on it what are you learning well we know from talking to people every night that they believe that jobs should be made built in their communities that if you've got government procurement for example government buying uniforms or flags for the uniforms and the flag should be made in this country that if we're going to be buying putting up windmills the windmill should be made in this country and that we can begin to create an industrial policy here where we're not subsidizing companies to go overseas which we are right now we're not only allowing companies to just move jobs

almost one for one overseas under a veil of. secrecy you know we we need to there's knowledge is power in the american people want a little bit more knowledge and a little more power and you guys are leading the way and people can join working america whether or not they have a union even if they don't even have a job they can join working america that was right where the organization for the for the rest of us there you go ok so much of a drop of blood and a great singer the problem here is that our lawmakers for almost two decades have been drinking these so-called free trade kool-aid and it's now the stronger economy we need to get back to common sense economic policies that protect american industries and american workers from greedy transnational c.e.o.'s but there's an even bigger picture here and it has to do with the myth of the so-called job creator part of this phrase come from job creator i mean wired job creator this is a focused just sees me just the whole concept of jobs as

a commodity has been focused and this is what's come out of it we've turned a jobs into a commodity like like it's something that you know you can buy or sell there that exists. and it doesn't you know but but frank luntz and console or republicans. you know to call rich people job creator oh we don't start the job creators and they can say that government doesn't create jobs you know these are these are nonsense phrases because the reality is what we used to say is hire fire and layoff like as in g.m. just hired thirty or fired thirty thousand people or the you know that kind of thing and and on it goes but the federal government frankly the federal government thousand jobs this month are chain sell saw al dunlap inspired twenty thousand people or mitt romney's company fired americans and hired people overseas but now from now on the upside is it's all create a.