bari atwan for his views on recent events. i'm talking to abdel bari atwan who's the editor of the london based newspaper al could be he is obviously going to talk to me about libya and he says that there's a huge potential for libya to turn into another afghanistan i missed out on thank you for talking to r.t. today now explain to me what the fact is all play all comparable between libya and afghanistan. there are a lot of similarities here between afghanistan and libya we have the need to intervention military intervention it is through this intervention is not actually sending troops on the ground but the same. way or another. change is that name of the game in both countries so that's why actually i compare

the two countries and try to say libya could like afghanistan the other point is you know leave where we could turn to a failed state like what happened in afghanistan nobody can predict what will happen after that we know it would be removed from power because he cannot actually fight the and he hasn't got backup abilities but the big question is you know whether that transitional council which is the representing that liberal will be able first to contain. differences huge divisions in its second whether it is capable to run the country and to keep you believe as a united states that seems like an excellent overview of the issues in libya but let's talk about the more specifically first of all where do you think gadhafi is that there may be what's he going to do you think you'll fight to the bitter end qaddafi is a very cunning despite to many people in their words you know describe him as

a crazy mad i met him three times in my life he is you know i shewed a politician whether we like it or not he calculates very well we don't know where he is actually hiding it took the need to under american fifteen years to find osama bin laden and kill him i don't know how many months how many weeks how many years you know that it will take them to capture. nobody can kill where about he's hiding or he could be in allies. barracks military barracks in paper only he could be in sirte where his hometown he could be in the south where it is there you know where his tribes actually situated so we don't know but definitely he's still alive and definitely you still in libya for his son or his sons actually to to be here to be implicitly itself i think is a clear indication is that if you could be there you could be in tripoli itself and

as far as the mood on the ground goes what do you think will happen when and if the rebels catch him will they kill him will they they talk big about the international criminal court what do you think will happen it is a huge question is we don't know what will happen if he is captured we have a very bad experience when a better bill actually tried to capture. the human is the chief of staff or that they will army you know they shoot him dead they have burned his bodyguards probably so maybe the same thing could happen to put their feet we know that there is a you know a sense of revenge and spitting on the rebels and libya so it depends who is going to capture him if he is captured by fanatic. groups without there are secret almost no you could be sure that you mention gadhafi. is really his favorite son and was the heir apparent how much power do you think he will it's at the moment he

still actually popular among the loyalist of his father and his father supporter actually so he is an important figure he knows how to communicate to meet with the media itself he's still a very prominent character among their feet interact fiji so whether he has military power i don't believe so he has some political part but you know i don't believe that feeling. i've been there i think the most he can actually try to negotiate for a safe exit for him and for his family a good death these presidents or not libya is obviously key particularly because up till now the rebels have really been united by a common hate deathy how likely now do you think a violent splits in the transitional council i think the problem after that free

post got there fair could be more actually problematic than the problem before before the removal of could very cheap because there is a huge slick split among. themselves the factions who are participating in this fight that needs combat. there are united by the hate to cut that feed but if that is captured if he's killed i think you know now we will turn against each other and we know that some brigades you know who are fighting with their bills. by the extremist muslim groups and they wouldn't fight with the secular in the same time even belief used to talk to those secure those or to those actually liberals and they can say that they. are part of the western conspiracy so maybe those people will turn against each other but also we knew that you know the majority of the people who are fighting the muslim extremists or actually you know people who

believe that they should slip mixtape and so how that the two is going to deal with those people after the mobile of chemical that they are they going to legitimize them consider them illegitimate illegitimate after but part on the future libya so there are huge question marks here. personally i believe the post gadhafi era would be more problematic than that. david cameron has been talking about sending british troops to libya as a peacekeeping force but will that be enough to keep a lid on what is potentially a nation at war if david cameron sent. it's. army puts personal on the banner of keeping peace in post gadhafi era this will be seen in libya and also in the arab words as a foreign intervention exactly like what happened in afghanistan and iraq and this

would complicate the whole situation it could actually make some of those muslim extremists among the rebels to turn against the turn signal council and also to turn against nato so now we are fighting gadhafi the troops after be finished his job actually they might turn against that but it is or french troops who will be sent to keep and all that in and post gadhafi and i so it could be a huge mistake from from parents and from sarkozy to to to actually send troops to leave this takes massive out there now nato and the u.k. specifically is talking about democracy by the libyan people how realistic do you think that is talking about democracy is very easy option actually practicing democracy. it is a very complicated process democracy cannot actually parachuted to the people in the dark or in afghanistan democracy is a culture it is

a process first you have to start this process in a country like you know for the last forty two you never had a multi-party system they never had the parliament been ever had institutions democratic institutions or any institutions so to start the democratic process actually it will take a long time but it is very sweet talks about about democracy and we know that under the banner of democracy the west intervened in afghanistan iraq look what happened for example in august we are going to celebrate that tenth anniversary of that invasion and occupation of afghanistan the west now is part two. to true to reinstate taliban in the beginning ten years ago they went there to. remove taliban from power. to destroy there and first lecture nowadays you know there are throwing the poll there are talking to taliban and they want to have an exit from

afghanistan they lost or they are losing seven billion dollars a month the same thing in iraq you know now iraq is a completely different story there is you know that democracy in iraq is very valuable democracy do you think the rebels basically sold off the oil when they accepted western military support there finitely the need to bombardment played a major role in the success of their able to capture most of the cities of libya and to advance toward tripoli so. presumably there was a deal struck between that libyan rebel that need to put it in france in particular we no need to is not a charitable organization we know britain and france there are looking for contacts for people business in libya libya is destroyed completely undercut there for the

team there is no infrastructure at all so i believe that libyan kick is very lucrative you know that they want to share how much. business actually was agreed to by the transitional council transitional council they need two companies especially britain france we don't know yet but definitely that me too is looking for a price and the libyan future government should pay and will pay a very heavy price for it is not. a free service no definitely there is something behind that. i suspect the need to would like to have military bases in libya i suspect that you know british and french company is looking for exploration contracts the presence of nato in libya is looking more and more like an open ended commitment david cameron has said that it's nature forces will stay for as long as

civilians need protecting today that's the kind of in parry list logic now you know after the removal of beverage if this happened could happen soon why the need to should continue its presence in that part of it you know if combat feet leaves with his interact his government collapses or for it to collapse i believe we should leave that libyan people alone to be with them and their future without any foreign intervention but if we are going to stay this is a type of imperialists. i don't believe they need people or part of the libyan people will accept this imperialism and i think they would fight to the will of the afghani for that we need to use the way that iraqi for the that american that the troops and their kind what does the future hold in your opinion for libya and the libyan people. very worried about the future of libya doesn't mean that i am really

supporting could defeat egypt and that he is a brutal dictator no question about that but. the future of libya could be could be actually very depressing yeah if these division. that's a pro did in the fighting or infighting among. the rebels themself. i am scared you know libya could be divided maybe it would be my feeling state that nobody can predict what will happen nobody predicted for example after ten years old ok patient off going to stand the american will talk to the taliban nobody predicted that after after actually seven or eight years of. invading and occupying iraq you know iran would have the upper hand and the americans want to go marginalized or sidelined but nobody would predict that you know. yemen will have a huge appreciations like this nobody predicted egypt actually will start to have. you know some divisions would be israeli camp david agreement nobody can't.

believe you know they're facing a very very ambiguous future and there are a lot of question marks and it depends on that. transitional council the future government whether they are going to sit out all model of transport or see democracy human rights and rule of the lou we don't know it is a huge challenge and i hope they can meet abdel bari atwan thank you very much.

previous revenue forces have stormed girl gadhafi compound in tripoli and once again claim to athan troll the city enough to boil as continue their armed resistance was their leader vowing insights to the death of. a major breakthrough in a holocaust or murder case as a former senior police official was held on suspicion of masterminding the crime probably chunk of was also a key witness in the investigation of the killing of a prominent russian journalist five years ago. and north korea's leader is in russia for the first time in almost a decade with an unusually open floor in visit to myanmar el who is touring the country on an armored train is to meet the russian president a little later on wednesday. time now for sports update with andrew.

hello there good to have you company you're watching the sport and these are the headlines almost a done deal angie agreed terms with him to man to the signing of cameron striker samuel. while there are some imaginary demands to city on the eve of a crucial champion's league qualifier against recognizing. the russian side to share celebrate success of the tour spaniards general marino win states all in the mind to. the first time and he will undergo a medical today as he prepares to join russian premier league side angie they've agreed to buy the cameroon striker from into milan the thirty six million dollars subject to passing the medical p thirty year old is set to sign a three year contract and his jew to arrive in russia on thursday and could even play against rostov on saturday the african star has been offered half a million dollars a week after tax that's a salary of nearly thirty million dollars a year or around

a billion rubles angy was bought by billionaire silly man kenny marvin january he's already bought the legend bit carlos rusher playmaking colt and incidentally a fourth in the league. but it's an important day another russian club rubin are trying to qualify for the group stages of the champions league but they have it all to do in the second leg of their play off against leon in kids and needing to overturn a three one deficit from the first leg however they would have to do it with that defender having these men who's injured is also the doubt over the fitness of midfielder allan cus i had. the pressures also on the arsenal boss asked him vanga here his depleted side travel to naisi after a narrow one zero win at the emirates in the first leg the gunners do so without midfield this time as three he was sold to manage the city for forty one million dollars yesterday. subject to a medical that's on the back of the recent departure of c'est la vie gas to barcelona one bit of good news is that bangor will be able to sit in the dug out

tonight after all after breaching a tax line banned last week the have suspended a third ban until the ag come of an appeal so a turbulent few days for the club believes arsenal can qualify for the group stage for a fourteenth season in a row despite the loss of a player. i never forced. been injured which to live comes year when doctors have asked me about questions there's no sort. of the same question do you feel under pressure to qualify of course we want to qualify and do that to not depend on no one they depend on how we replay our football the whole way we play the game or we know to play. but. one player in the team. well in contrast of knows they have only reached the champions league group stage once that was five years ago and although they finished fourth in syria last season they too have lost some key plays notably alexis sanchez to barcelona their good chance

against aston low who failed to win the opening two games in the english premiership and other games tonight then twenty after the sides drew the first leg to well let's see copenhagen have an uphill task there despite making the last sixteen last season they need to overturn a three one against czech side to twenty pulls in a body of go to austria to post in good hours in the final game there and last night's separate side up well made the group stage beating restart kharkov three one to go three three two one aggregate by munich quarter progress beating is your it three no and i get the numbers to grab make the group stage take despite losing to know the swedish champions malmo they scraped through four three over the two legs belgian champions gang defeated mccarthy high for on penalties progress bar spanish side are safely through their bouncing back to methe first leg defeat to danish side advance. or chelsea are already through to the group stage and have

unveiled their two new teenage signings at their training ground it covers belgian striker their male luke luke coombs eighty has arrived from and a leg and he was joined by nineteen year old spanish we feel that ordeal romo from barcelona is arguably the happier man is he can now read shell this with his boyhood didier drogba play in what he calls the biggest leak in the world. first of all. from the blues. and out of the jungle just want to do sure to coach. it's really. good first of all to train him to be responsible. now in spain further meetings have failed to resolve the stalemate between plays and representatives and the spanish league meeting players from the top two divisions are still set to strike for the second week in a row the issue is a pay dispute is around two hundred plays not being fully paid by their cash

strapped clubs and are demanding a wage guarantee from the league and the right to break their contracts if they're not paid for three consecutive months these proposals have been rejected by the league ensuring destruction of the spanish football calendar for the first time in almost three decades. the news now a russian cycling team continues you have got there for this win it this year's tour of spain their spanish write it down your marino winning a grueling mountain stage in fact it was too tough to summarize this tour de france green jersey winner mark cavendish here unable to keep up with the pellets and as it crossed the mountains between pad threat and to your tana and here band in the race with the round forty kilometers of the stage to go no such programs though for marino he caught up with the ladies over the last case and in the end it was a fight between to the line between himself and chris. banks and god but they could too should man did enough to win by three seconds. now to the overall leader's red jersey. not

a sport that has been paid for thousands of years polo the tradition of playing a sport that had been lost into believing in russia over a century but it's now being revived with help from the sports historic powerhouse argentina. as the story. horses count among the most trusted friends of mankind in wildlife but this is why polo is one of the most popular sports this game was first played in persia more than two thousand years ago and has only slightly changed since then. it still takes the same skills to score goals with a long handled mount on the field that's twice as big as a football pitch. the most important thing in polo is probably the so-called chemistry between the man and the horse they should be sympathetic to each other also it's crucial to learn the equitation in childhood although even adult persons who come to the sport late can reach pretty good results in terms of training hard

every day back at the turn of the twentieth century polo was quite a popular sport in russia but after the revolution the tradition was broken it was only brought back to life several years ago and the most skilled pole club which was established in two thousand and six by alex syria is now one of the major centers for the sport it also hosted the russian open championship which was being held for the sixth time you need a lot of players you need a lot of horses you need a lot of competition as in any sport you need to practice practice practice you need to invest invest invest and so far we're we're doing what we can but it's all private and it's all based on the enthusiasm of the players themselves and their money. in terms of price he says are like cars it's not only about how expensive it is it's very important to choose the one that would suit you in this respect you

should always take an expert's advice as with the. price it may be from eight to ten thousand dollars saved argentina and up to five hundred thousand dollars its emotions and human resources are always a crucial factor in this respect fall in russia as a competitive advantage the traversal brothers to grandmasters from the sports powerhouse argentina this term around glamorous russian fans of this elite sports have get you nick opportunity to get up close with their known for a short masterclass on the secrets of polo and witness the russian open finals where the tournaments top player and a hundred let his team beluga to victory. however there is still a lot to do to make question pull competitive on the international arena these alone now because it's new york is a new sport here and we need a lot of work. and we need. people to know what the sport or because

a little bit doesn't know what is. but i think he's improving. with a publishing deal with this he's possible to become more prepared to play polo has never been only about winning and losing with another member of the winning team russia's top ball book titian or me how you were drunk or being the best proof of it. the better you treat your horses the better they perform i don't care if i lose or win i just enjoy it it's a team sport and first of all it team here means the horse and the rider and that's the best thing about it. and that idiot which often leaves the fastest way to success. for it but in your own party school region. it's good fun but expensive as that is our sport from i would say the weather is coming.

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libya's rebel forces have stormed colonel gadhafi compound in tripoli and once again claim to have been trolled the city to fight to the death. machine of. children and think that these are these nice little folks who want democracy and freedom and mcdonalds experts warn of a new struggle for power that might emerge between the rebels wanted out this regime is toppled. a major breakthrough in the case of former senior police official is held on suspicion of masterminding the murder of a prominent russian journalist five years ago. and the leader of the world's most close date comes out into the open north korea's visits russia for the first time in almost a decade.