also struck a deal on the transit of russian natural gas for north korea something. to show spotlight is up next in the trend of this style. ones exiled from the soviet union is not considered one of russia's greatest contemporary artists. talk about. cold one of.

his paintings can be found in top museums around the world his sculptures landmarks in. new york. and of course moscow and st petersburg there's also a producer a filmmaker and what my guest. is. a legend. painter he's explosive. one of the most acclaimed contemporary russian artists worldwide. he was expelled from the art school for failing to. she was expelled from school for failing to. work with him. he was subjected to. a logical time in.

the return of work to russia the first to. continue to work in russia. political report. and to the architects and builders of st petersburg to painting segues a bit into national museums cultures and all the squares in venice in francisco new york in moscow. is our guest on spotlight today. this is mr chirac you know and thanks for coming to our program and the ignition let's walk down memory lane a bit as we all know that you were expelled from the soviet union the in one nine hundred seventy one i was also very stripped you off to citizenship so. what was an explanation of what was your fishel reason for expelling your from the country.

since i was not one of the chosen people my expulsion was quite a complicated one. i was arrested and then taken to the kind of state security for a so-called chat. explained to me that i had three options. first option if it was to go to a man to asylum where i spent half a year. now it was the also of clinic us which was an experimental clinic actually one of the most horrible wants as it was under the jurisdiction of the state security services. they tested new psychotropic medication on us. did help. my mom hadn't gotten out on bail as a disabled i think i would have spent three years there she was told that she should be expecting her son back no sooner than three years later he would actually i wouldn't have the honor of talking to you today b.c. of the usually people left that place in a state of deadheads to go straight into the hospital for people with chronic

diseases. would you feel when you took those medications no if you're well it's not that we actually took them it was different all the time and i was in an almost twilight state when they said various experiments for example they would who'd had phones on my head and shout out the names of western artists which withdraws mistakes. instead of picasso for example but they would say because. my sense of humor help me i mean conscious. so they would shine the names together with things like motherland the land followed by a bride it flashes of light i was seated in front of a huge color screen with some stripes moving on it in different ways. there could be complete darkness and then suddenly the screen would burst with right if such were some of the experiments. don't you think there's something like that yes but

that's why when i got to france my friends advised me not to watch that movie because they knew my story though when i did watch it i found many similarities. so basically if they wanted to see creepy over your personality and your intellect . you see they try to catch us i mean the young people and to help us stick to the truth cough they first tried to crush us in certain organizations and read us. but them when they saw that you didn't give in a psychiatrist would give a cue if. the kid should be considered as if you were to version two was true principles or not. your denial of socialist thrillers or something else then you weren't a dissident as such right now but i have always protested against being called a dissident no no it wasn't like that i don't like it when someone says that she

can is a dissident dissenting i was actually involved in very simple things like studying russian icons but it was considered as interest and mr says though it was also into group there was a book called match his group written by an author from the german democratic republic at those it was a very distressing fascination i don't know if you know anything about his books but he writes a lot about crucifixion to me using a very expressive catechism etc the main crime was my interest in rented. in sicily and it was considered a crime yeah even if you were interested in impressionists because they praise the buddha ideology moreover every want to. make it a pain to the naked and gay people so when you were expelled from the soviet union nine hundred seventy one. before we start talking about organ the more. the socialist liberalism that you basically denied. your words you sanction the soviet union which is now becoming very trying to special in the west its words

fashionable in moscow and actual in russia people like that kind of warred that's trials genes. that doesn't make you said i was there. you see i have never been opposed to socialist realism. on the contrary when perestroika began peace more knowing the russian nature i was one of the first to write a letter to the ministry of culture warning them against bringing down the monuments all over russia and suggested preserving the ones that are made by some real lost as. like any. bill and tomsky as works of ott. so if you know that people started to smash down stalley monuments and monuments of a different political leaders. and the difference but those were done by some real. i actually seriously defend the school of socialist realism.

because i had teachers like an amazing illustrator it was illustrations collaborating on. the tremendous long to come with him. my author teacher was you know she was an amazing theatrical master. i have always admired for. so i think what happened back then was a big mistake. russia is known for its extreme decisions. but if you could solve its union collapsed it was tragically what happened too quickly. and immediately everything that it was connected with it was it was declared very bad. well. it's well deserved when its. people also destroyed all the. destroyed tortures. that's what they call shield you know it's in the old world. that's why i suggested not to denounce

it so quickly because those sculptors were true masters of the school a socialist realism. if you can't decide special order things which are clearly trouble again. the school of socialist realism world even if the world doesn't you know about it yet greet a number of truly great. britain russia has all the rise to be proud of that and. that's cool like a world of meet a lot of and so. for instance in the distorted linnean hugging mickey mouse and the marilyn monroe kissing stalin. or an almost pornographic by comrade. stalin on the top of a naked lenin with little girls there as well. it's a nasty takeoff on what was going on. on the one hand it might be needed but it

really has nothing to do with the serious school of socialist realism in. your story with fifty dollars or twenty has already be comically share. it with fifty bucks and. i didn't go to america i went to france. fifty dollars in your pocket when you got to france which was what hundred fifty francs at the time. was it hard to find your place you had to find in any local already seen the artistic establishment yes did you feel like no one needs you over there. my fate was a difficult one in the sense. that but almost nine hundred seventy won. i was admission of mine it was held by dean yvette and his gallery and you know there is a well known gallery going to my old school my muse who because she was his muse. his entire property. to some litigation but she laid her hands on all his houses.

everything he had ever created in his lifetime. something of a lady's anything. but poor good out. of our own stalk if you use it right now. well we did she was in love with me and my work. came to france she saw me and gave me as a gift a small shutoff and from here. three days later she came to the chateau with a contract for ten years even though i was an absolute good. russia today that is a market. i was wise enough to see she was out to milk me. under its terms i was supposed to do as i was told. i had to give up my quest in the area of metaphysical synthetics as i was only allowed to do gallons scenes and still lives because they were sold better than anything so on and so forth. do you mean you.

refused to sign your contract. if you know i gave out the chateau de up when i returned and three days later after reading the contract i said to my dear girls. my wondrous creature my sweet roly poly i'm giving you back the key. blue and dreams of us travelling in india me seeing the world and not for me. i want exchange a plane or a gilded one. left for the great wide world to the screams about any crawling back in three days on my knees. for him she was yelling i was a soviet but not in the west jungle i would soon learn what it was like. but i said to her proudly precisely because i'm a soviet my pride is a special one that i won't come back to you either on my knees or otherwise. you.

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back to spotlight i am now doing our than just a reminder that today we're talking about all right and my guest on the show is. that. you had come to france with something francs in your pocket and you and your reach compared to presented you with a. contract for twenty years but he declined and you would through.

with what was left of your friends is that yes the states where you sure you didn't make it was little or was it because of something green in your ability. five years i had handled some. and nested jobs. i was a menial work at the hematological and that implied that you did the dirtiest and hardest jobs. i was a hand to the city scrap yard. with a pair of rubber boots on and a pitchfork in my hands i had to move restaurant and saw that eating house waste. so what i was handling those heavy after the first of may but it's because the first of my padres were held in the palace where i live and eleven guys were in charge of the palace square of what they do with it so it was absolutely out of the question that i'd be scared of hard physical work the most important thing for me was my freedom and when the name closed up on the holy of holies my creative

freedom which was my conscious choice after all i could have joined the artists union i could have made good money as a black and white artist i think but did you really feel part your first encounter with non freedom in the sheeple that contrary to your really feel that you warn the free world after all that the west did truly boast the freedom with which the soviet union left yes of course absolute freedom i wasn't seeing portraits of landing on a. non-standard. everywhere you know still beyond that numerous as lenin. and for another i knew fairly well that the conditions where i live but just to poland there was no heating the windows were smashed and i hammered some plywood on and painted the walls as good as i managed. there was no kitchen at the well known generally anything. it was an abandoned me where i began my new life but i was happy i was happy for one simple reason because i knew that no one would invade my

friend mrs without even a search warrant and no one would drum machine to my books drawings easels and letters at six in the morning and you knew that i wouldn't be take. van with the word up read on it as it happened in the past and most importantly i wouldn't be confined to a mad house they didn't get me with god knows what. i was walling and happiness. and where money or poverty was concerned i wasn't frightened at all i didn't come to pass from the sky i didn't think i was a genius so you. know it's because you said i didn't. know i'm describing the frame of mind i was in shock. and i felt the other way about it . nor would i make a new shows a ball. and be just marking time the big problem with some guys because at that time we were all nonconformists and had the same status regardless

of how good. a stick skills were but when we began making it to the west became clear that some were not quite so good painters others are not so good sculptors and it's natural if i differences cropped up for me knowing full well that if i had to take or annoyed to take it without thinking twice i even have an article entitled. hand i keep it in my archives. by the way the latest project. based on. fairy tales. details. this fantasy world is coming though i have a new. idea. in mind in six days the stream has turned into the biggest project that they were. this worked

on since the collapse of the. new computer animation or special effects on the notion that it's unique atmosphere to. did she make you had to first make sketches for the one hundred fifty characters in the seventy eight minute film. huffman's world is want to be trusted the russian audience has never denied the chairman of wages in france. hoffman who is the main character in the new cartoon during his lifetime he found refuge in the weightroom work likewise the animated hoffman is travelling in the mystical world of his own tales which is produced in his own imagination. this particular fairy tale for children has also become in the philosophical dramas something they were on the escapism for life. you've been working on for some time now in the small orange film about there's the you know. the fairy tale rider so many eddie as you call it you promised it would

hit their screens in two thousand and nine recently received any time soon got chewed up over the problem as usual. were making piece by piece ten to fifteen minutes a film and then wait for the sponsors should all wait for the government to shell out it was not mostly the entire project has been stalled for several years because the russian government lacks the money to sponsor the project at all it's that it is a truly good experience or what is a ballpark figure that goes into fooling third soon just peanuts i don't even say how much it was really never let me know but i know the conditions we've been working in so little why don't you invest some of your and money spent that it already it's way usually i have nothing but debts to. be quite happy for what i have in my pockets nash my lane. because it used to the not going to occur in the marine ski future. not only that stage five bali's also.

yes. why do you like this german officer so much. well. let me explain the son of a very jealous when i did company and possibly even half of the family would my actress model and when he fell in love with her. hand in marriage under the condition that she'd follow him to the battlefield. for two and a half years my mother served with my father's cavalry division it was during the war during the war. but when your humble servant was conceived to the rule of cannons and the time came for my mother to give birth i was sent to moscow where i was born. after my birth mother again went to join father taking me along and would follow the division of the baggage train and thus reach

the counties berry today's a kaliningrad where i grew up. at the. beginning. my father was the military commander after cunningsburgh became kaliningrad and the germans were removed my father was sent for further service to saxony. grew up in germany till nine hundred fifty eight. my mother well educated person was fond of the german romantics. and it was the german dramatics writings. of the fairy tales . in my mind. not their brothers. to the green brothers to their not quite in the romantic category well they retailed quite cruel . there is little romanticism in them and much fantasy. you handle many productions including in years a theatrical designer. what is your attitude

more than music you seem to be a man who'd rather use something composed in our day our age or would. more than music there's a stylistic vice. that. you know you're not quite tried there because my second larry. the magic not and elaborates as it were not correct . it is its first act at the y. and not cracka became the not correct but it was used of several choreographers to fit it into a tchaikovsky score the most but it was unbearably to think that it was illegible in each it stood a story of the prince's spittle a part of the story of the magic of not a cracker to what he had decided to make a new scenario and i wrote a new libretto. eve and i asked a friend of my youth is in a very good you have a hard poser in the positive sense of the word sergei slim's. try to score to my

libretto for his wall-e. but the more. system some unimaginable sounds and you. simply didn't know it. was like me secured for not writing all the right way. when you were made an appearance in moscow i mean those with children people started saying that she not. supposed to give people education. here really believe in this. week or are you more supportive for all the art for art's sake approach. he wants. to read. they would not have been such tyrants. but the truth is it's

a nice phrase and an interesting one. sometimes say that god can change mankind i did it in change some individual people may have a better more involved. interested. but cannot position itself is a sort of messiah. and i don't think of myself as a missionary here yeah. i think that we do things that are required by the present hasa saya to live in. my society or yourself. but i cannot live without tot you know there were times when i was painted at night and worked as a menial work enjoying the day time where you and your bulldozer clearing snow you got it you knew for sure that my paintings would not be exhibited and i would not make any money and i could not and still cannot live without it as a real artist. thank you thank you very much and just a reminder that. the world renowned artist was my guest on this show today and

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