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international news and comment live from our headquarters here in moscow where it's now just past midnight and ten pm in tripoli where libyan rebels say they have. surrounded but in a new order message purportedly from the colonel he says he's still fighting on the front line whatever the truth italy is promising to transfer millions of dollars of frozen libyan assets over to rebel authorities. as the latest force. you know we've heard on the back of the information released today when the italian government met with the head of the rebel council mark me to brill that happened just behind me in this building here earlier today and we had the announcement that italy plans to release half a billion dollars of phrase and live in assets and we then heard that the rebels had apparently been able to locate it at a bend from his so i explained it as the spokesman saying that that wasn't the case and then we've heard that there's a good duffy himself releasing information speaking to an extremely confusing time
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and this is really pulled into focus what a lot of critics have been saying which is is this really the right time to be releasing money to the rebel council they're not so sure it's still very unclear exactly who's in charge with the russian foreign minister spoke today on the phone to the u.n. secretary general saying that really what he wants to see now what should be happening is that any post-war settlement happening regarding libya should be done under the monitoring very close monitoring of the u.n. another situation has arisen today with this money being released by sleigh is the question mark over just who this money belongs to it's very unclear at this point in time whether this money is libyan money or whether this money belongs to the gadhafi family is a very confusing as he said a lot of business interests here in the country but whether you like it or not as we said oil is certainly going to play a very big part in libya's future not been right over the past couple of days
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talking some people about their. will to the heart of most motor was and you'll strike oil whether or not that's sayings true when it comes to libya well it's going to play a pivotal role in the country's future here we have two very strong interest deadmeat the western interest to tell you to join. also to rebel to ordinary. if you're trying to cover interest to restart show me how this possible is stranger to the concept of friends with benefits berlusconi's being quick to k.z. up to the new transitional council inviting the public face of the group major brill to italy. was conduct these closest european allies when the native bombing campaign began back in april police switch sides and began courting the rebels in full the war almost a third of italy's daily energy needs were imported from libya an oil giant any was
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the largest foreign operator in the country the government here have been doing all they can to safeguard these contracts but the if they will be able to maintain these previously close business cause it's by no means a given in a post gadhafi libya the future looks extremely uncertain and there are little guarantee one of the biggest problems italy and other western countries since the beginning of the war has been the struggle to adequately understand the internal workings of the rebels themselves. among the rebels there are many factions genuine people. and many of these groups of rebels are from the politicians with gadhafi and then they completely change their face with the wind as they say and you to me i think corrupt politicians. of almost gadhafi personally on a number of occasions three business transactions less than a month ago
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a sure turn from a fact finding trip to libya with a handwritten letter she says was written by gadhafi to berlusconi in it he allegedly says he was surprised by your decision to join the coalition against libya especially after we signed the friendship and cooperation treaty between our two sides the treaty he's referring to he was signed just two months before the libyan uprising the letter goes on to ask. why did you join our enemies without any diplomatic dialogue or investigation fellas gainey now seems t. busy making friends that may be the final chapter that deathy many conflicts will continue i would dare to see this kind of stuff you can talk to you for which he's among the rebels so there is no such. consensus no consensus holton need to be an internal. meeting who will be actually the person to talk to.
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who will be. preparing foreign media now is silly along with many in the west could well find that previous lucrative relations may turn out to be just as they were in full the french there for. a while to discuss developments in libya we can now cross live to american political journalist alexander coburn he's in california thank you very much indeed for being with us here in order to you know millions of dollars a streaming into the rebels pockets well they certainly will be very shortly now these rebels are now seen as the guarantee of security and prosperity of the future of libya all they worth the trust being put in them. well no course they're not i mean this is a new program has been pointing out there are many different factions there are many different international interests there's the above all is the question of oil the council has said. traction of the consulate on a previous contracts i don't know how true it is. in my view i mean the whole thing
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has been deplorable and start nato interventions almost always are some matter of fact and i think what libya can really look forward to is a very prolonged period of instability probably growing inequality and a loss of what benefits the less well in libya of which they certainly did have in the gadhafi era and i didn't if you could say anything conclusive about the history of libya for a long time well you were there in the u.s. and according to the pentagon the total cost of the operations there in libya nearing a billion dollars and that's of course in time since have been economic problems your reaction to what's going on there is very negative how is it being justified then by washington what are they saying to the people of america about it. oh they're saying look at that they're continuing on this business that they had to do a humanitarian intervention which you know very rapidly became a joke as it became clear that nato was simply you know engaged in the effort of
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getting rid of gadhafi by whatever means possible by covert intervention with commandos from the british and so forth there's been stories in england that the in the final storming of the the famous compound the guitar a special forces were involved of course qatar is the home of al jazeera which has been very anti gaddafi all along. in america i would have to say that libya has not been a headline piece of information really for the last month particularly given all the economic battling in the congress and so forth it really was the initiative of secretary of state hillary clinton allied to you know you. had the u.n. and samantha powers in the white house and i think american people see how many wars you know they're here they are in afghanistan which is a disaster. situation is very bad and now we go to libya as well i think they're fairly fed up with it myself it's not being
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a headline item i should add that the left has been richard on this issue instead of treating it in a decent way as another nato exercise which should be deployed they've been rather on board for its so-called humanitarian intervention it's very hard to see. you know what is it ten thousand sixteen thousand raids in libya can be justified as humanitarian well it's been a bad business throughout and i actually personally very much deplore the position that russia took in the initial security council votes they should have been against it from the start. i just want to ask you about u.s. foreign policy though in two thousand and eight the u.s. open the door to gadhafi three years later it's one of the main players of course in the campaign to bring him down what does that say about america being a loyal ally and what message does that give to other countries. gives gives a message nuclear weapons look like north korea then they're going to invade you
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north korean leader salut talking about interesting enough north korea now talk about they will go back to the table and talk about maybe not developing their nuclear weapons but you know you raise a good point saying that actually you know it's the leader of syria has been running around in russia or excuse me has been running around russia. i didn't quite catch what you said that actually but i took it back i would want to insert that. but not until now of course the u.s. is determined to go warm with this campaign until it can guarantee the safety of the civilian population of course looking at the latest pictures coming from libya and i know that you have firsthand experience or you've got somebody there in libya who knows what the situation is like at the moment extremely volatile i mean how long do you think it will ever take to get some sort of normality there i mean you mentioned iraq and afghanistan are we looking at a similar situation. well look you can see things developing in heading in the direction of beirut you know i mean a lot of people have guns now in tripoli this is historic antipathies between
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benghazi and tripoli you've got berbers who want to have a cut of the cakes and say bora a lot of the brunt of the fighting. you know probably if you analyze where money goes from oil producing. the money that came into libya which is gigantic. as the world bank attested as recently as two thousand and nine i think distributed with some degree of equity which should be the envy of people in the united states just to start with them now the other thing is the whole question of preached at the press here has been appalling and in england too and in france and in italy i can't speak for russia but. you know the justification was the supposed genocide of conduct against his people the human rights organizations amnesty international human rights watch have completely independent to be refuted these accusations the accusations of mass rape and so on and so point so the actual very basis of the
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intervention has been discredited not that the press is about the point this out so what you've had no is a situation where really nato is engaged in a regime toppling operation very like a nineteenth century imperial exercise by britain and xander i'm really sorry about this but we are actually out of time now and i'm so sorry to cut you off because it's been so interesting talking to you and thanks so much for considered thoughts but we are up against time so i thank you for joining us live there in california thank you. the u.s. and the e.u. are pushing for more sanctions against syria's government with an embargo on oil sales likely by the end of the week russia and china are opposed the move but of call for an end to violence and for the massacres to start social reforms of the two thousand people are believed to have been killed in syria since march but as a team or a financial reports what's really going on is hard to verify. to get it worked out in the morning and this is how the world has been watching the unrest in syria through mobile phone cameras and to footage from the war stricken country has flood
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that international news or rather blog. killings and executions supposedly at the hands of president arsons military filmed on cell phones have become a trademark of the regime syrian officials though insists the scenes are staged the you tube is not credible and i witness account is not credible after become requests now and shout help they're killing us next door. these are not credible ways to assess the situation the un has condemned over the violence against his people but damascus emphasizes from afar until recently no un mission has crossed the syrian border hyundai's a correspondent with saudi arabia based at rb international news channel in syria he says the government should blame itself for the country's image and the. foreign journalists and fact finding missions from coming in and they don't allow us to work cannot just take a camera and go filming even here in damascus and you should and i would never wait
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till the government made a statement there are ten million reporters in the country everyone has a phone why should they wait with the lack of access to information many people have used their cell phones to film what's been happening and to share it with the rest of the world. but this is what going against censorship is a double edged sword while mobile video can give anyone everest and perhaps help save lives it can just as well be used to transform the truth and that could come at the cost of people's lives martin not his real name is the man behind the camera is a freelance journalist currently working for a western media outlet he cannot tell more and he doesn't want his face to appear on screen hiding the truth about himself it tries to reveal the truth of another kind. from into the book what's going. there are some armed forces i don't think are going to believe.
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in most of the cities that security forces are shooting and killing. unarmed. civilians and went out to broach the christian freedom. muslim isn't afraid of being thrown in jail has been there three times already he's afraid of being killed or friends in doom where you go. during the process because he was filming it was the only one who was thirty. but you have brought this and others are very courageous that syrian state t.v. brings their evidence to support their leader. they should be cheerful mother crying over her body apparently dead they said that was in the homes but here it is same picture indeed that was made in the iraq in two thousand and nine they condemn the surge but they just play one of the most oppressive
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regimes in the world food and all the press has never been serious strongpoint because this is all we ask all we ask is for the truth to come out for both sides of the story to be told not just one side all the time the fact that not as many foreign journalists are allowed in. the western world once does not give the right to the western world to grab any story. and put it as true but that doesn't look to be among them it is goals and this conflict the press is not just about coverage it's a war and as in every war they go is to win refuse to damascus syria. a major overhaul of russia's space agency has been ordered by prime minister vladimir putin that's after an unmanned resupply vehicle in the on its way to the international space station was lost in the skies on wednesday a search operation is underway although it's thought the craft may have burned up
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in the atmosphere there's still concern that some toxic materials may have come down on. this report. the problems occurred for this mission around five minutes after the launch when one of the booster rockets carrying the progress module failed resulted in the whole spacecraft breaking into several pieces and to sending it back towards earth they have cordoned off an area of southern siberia underneath where this incident took place now that cordoned off area is being tested for any toxic elements that could be there the progress module did have on board around one tons of toxic feel now scientists testing the rocks the soil and the water and preliminary results suggest that this being no contamination on the ground for the astronauts on board the international space station who are waiting for the supplies the progress module was supposed to top them up with fuel and food they still have some supplies on board in the worst case scenario and extra so you
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could be sent up to act as a second escape pod already one soyuz module attached to the international space station a soyuz module though only seats three people or six people on board it would take that extra module being sent up to be able to evacuate everybody from the space station but that of course is a last resort scenario something that isn't really being looked into at the minute as a viable option this incident involving this unmanned module isn't the first in recent times it's in the fourth that's occurred in the last nine months now a full investigation has been ordered we have heard in the past the president medvedev wants to see the russian space program updated to bring it right up to the modern era the soyuz rocket is the only way we have now of getting crews from the earth to the international space station and back down again now that since the the nasa space shuttle program was scrapped earlier this year leaving the so you struck
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at the only lifeline we have between people on the i.s.a.'s on the ground. we could see the soyuz program temporarily grounded until what caused this problem is discovered now what we are hearing from roscoe's moscow is that they are fully committed to providing every single bit of supply of the supply network which they said they could give to the i.s.a.'s now they're saying that they can they can come through on everything they promised and that this is just a blip in the road. of reporting that syria is not the only country caught up in the web of media misinformation conflicting reports have been coming from libya as to what's actually going on there when it starts he has from a member of a western fact finding mission who recently returned that special interview is next and then i'll be back with a recap of our top stories in about ten minutes from now stay with us here in moscow.
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the old. it's been described as the file chapter three gadhafi but was the end to the war in libya same as saying the the realisation now setting in that still remains a little tough battle ahead we're joined now by yvonne de vito he's just come back from libya where you were compiling an independent dossier on what was happening on the ground as a thank you very much for joining us there you've been saying that it's because certainly here in italy the news reports about what was happening in libya were
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very confusing a lot of conflicting information secure tell us what you saw what you found was do you with this in mind that we went to libya on the twentieth of july and we came back on the seventh of august and we found a totally different situation because nato was bombarding civilians and the bombings were not only carried out to military targets are not but they almost hit houses hospitals schools vital television centers and this was totally against the humanitarian reasons they said they were funny or i believe they were doing this to bring panic in the city and that's why they were bombing the things that people use daily like places with food and essentially activities like hospital isis that this was a very difficult period for muslims not because of ramadan and that is why they do time varying their house went to tripoli and to the town and we saw huge protests with thousands of croker dump with apartheid is turning out to get out of town and these demonstrations were not shown in. italy also visited to endure and since we
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were there and found a lot of women that were screaming at us asking why you would turn in for bombing us what did we do why are you killing our children that was the main question when she did it on the same day they bombed the heils and this house taught children were killed while we tried to show the pictures of these children that were dead but apart from us no one else did the same except the times that was done with our own noise visiting these places that were bombed we have so much material that press offices and journalists from little you gave to us as destiny to our dad from the nato bombing this after all the things that i do still we have one question where is this a humanitarian are they really helping the civilians better because i believe that all this is because of economic reason money or at least there are other reasons why there's more happened to try only on the run of these requests and also visited libya before through august and what we found was a normal situation where people were finally differently from other countries that went through a revolution us a liberal is considered to be the switzerland of the african continent and is very
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rich and school of the three for his people and on hospitals are free for the political at that and the conditions for women are much better than in other arab countries ok that you've personally met at the theatre self-will a number of occasions what you think post war and post gadhafi libya is going to look like your own television stations are showing people fighting and demonstrating against gadhafi i personally saw many people demonstrating. i don't know why so many journalists are not sharing that because they're manipulating the situation and have a sort of money independent media show these videos on the internet because there is no freedom element from what we saw personally rather in libya from the documents he thought we saw the rebels as disorganized groups others other fizzles the people that the rebels coming to power will prefer a continuation of the volatile situation better. well i believe that the rebels will not be able to do
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a good job after gadhafi among them there are many groups tunisian people that i don't know why they are there al-qaeda rebels from libya the just you wanted to change it but there is too much as organization to make the majority by is the people we interviewed were very afraid to imagine that iran was could take power because they think that they are not able to govern the country or to take control in a proper way the chief of these groups the rebels are actually politician was former politicians that's before while with gadhafi and then they completely changed their fate they went with the wind as they say in italy when we talk of the nato mission for humanitarian reasons do you think that justification for the war in libya stands up to scrutiny. and i believe it's not a valid justification because most of the targets were civilian one and many people say the people were targets on purpose to create panic on the ground hala should the discrepancy. between what later was saying or you're saying i think that many
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many discrepancies every day the first day that nato bombed a civilian target i apologized saying it was a mistake but the day after they kept bombing civilian targets and when the libyan government was asking why are you bombing civilians nature we're denying it saying it was gadhafi compound that was untrue or you saw it this is being described by years a war of this as a nation how much of that did you see on the ground who can see us still how much the media are manipulating the situation when they say that gadhafi sons have been arrested was this done correctly on true the reports that all of tripoli have been taken over by the robbers and this also occurs on true a friend of ours who is a businesswoman who lives in tripoli and all of the created a commission to make an investigation into the facts of what happened in libya she told me she found some journalists who were making false reports saying that the rebels were behind them. when in fact the city behind them was empty we saw
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pictures of green square that is completely full of rebels but if you compare those pictures to other pictures of green square it's completely different it seems like a set was created on patmos to make the public think that all of tripoli was taken over by the rebels and all the gadhafi family was dead was think this is a mentor tactic because they want people to think that the rebels have taken power and i believe they're doing this because nato has an hari to show this before the start of the focused because they don't want to have to provide for the financing for the rule other theories amongst the people that the rebels coming to power will prefer a continuation of the volatile situation this was not a popular demonstration but a huge military action against gadhafi but i think after gadhafi it will be very difficult and may to one leave the national transitional council to govern as they have put a lot of money into the schools so probably they will want some of that power and to be in charge that there was just an excuse or justification that they want to
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