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stories our panel tonight at. conservative strategist and associate at blueskin solutions she's got blogging at their servo dot com democratic strategist erica and brian darling i'll call mr human events contributor to red state dot com and director of government studies at the heritage foundation welcome you don't let's get started. that's official it's official dick cheney has a new book out in my time in it he's bashing rice tenant paul he wanted to attack syria. this this is the probably the most aggressive dr who ever got five deferrals from from the draft that i've ever heard of in my entire life here he was in an interview with n.b.c. not only admitting to work right seemingly to brag about this in your view we should still be using enhanced interrogation yes no regrets no regrets should we still be waterboarding terror suspects i would strongly support using their baby

and if circumstances rose even though so many people have condemned it people call it torture you think it should still be a tool just. and then george w. bush in his book decision points basically said the same thing you said three people were water boarded i believe that decision saved lives so is it time to convene a war try and war crimes tribunal and try these guys for the crimes that they've confessed to after all we put people to death japanese to death for doing this to our soldiers. how do you look like you're going to take the whole why don't you try president obama continued many of the same policies that the left condemns on the war on terror he seemed older teen i'm torturing you but he detaining individuals are going to talk i don't i mean does that still actually trying to close down guantanamo bay in the republicans filibustered the funding necessary to show that he did not he never shut it down like he promised he said he was going to democrats

had full control of congress for two years and he didn't do so so it's on him not only that did he start a military conflict in libya i mean has he not attacked and use drones throughout the world and i get that you're trying to make this about broader problem i'm talking about dick cheney and george bush i mean. it's interrogation techniques we used one of them interrogation techniques and of torture equate that with what happened to our people by the japanese they're the same here with a terrorist state of the water torture putting. was over people's families and i think a lot of it back to conservative columnists christopher hitchens went and himself was water boarded and as previously stated it was more about it came back and said this is torture i mean i think that it is entirely inappropriate it is. it's a disappointing part of our foreign policy of our defense policy and that's a disappointing moment in our personal history how that are and also i would like

that i think. i fear radical ideal world with unicorns and poppies i would like to see cheney held accountable for a lot of the things that he's done you know outside say the valerie plame. because another thing that threatened this country in terms of you know violating some of our laws and what i can but i also i want things to go out it came to having an affair and like the leaking a cia agent are what i care so here's a here's a follow up to this just very quickly president obama want it to cairo and he had this talk here's what he had to say there are some who advocate for democracy only when they're out of power. once in power they're ruthless in suppressing the rights of others so no matter where it takes hold government of the people and by the people. so it's a single standard for all who would hold power. you must maintain your power through consent not coercion over and over and over again in the middle east this

speech is being cited by people on the ground as the thing that inspired them to take on the barak and take you know what's his name and in tunisia to to now or now what we're seeing in libya this is what j.f.k. did when he went to use berlin it's been under lunar and berlin and this is what ronald reagan did when he said tear down this wall and weave and barack obama with the speech is taken down three dictators george w. bush with a war has produced five million refugees killed over one hundred thousand people thousands of american lives and two to three trillion dollars in u.s. dollars has and this isn't don't we now have a complete repudiation of the bush policy you know and rather spend it on a regular motion to reagan's policy was a rock has a constitutional democracy that had elections and afghanistan is a democracy you can say about about yet you can't say a bit about libya and we don't know we are going to happen if you could say that about the soviet states after the first right now as you say hearts and minds has

always been incredibly important part of our foreign policy i think obviously you know there's bush didn't do it as much but we do it with aid we do it with the state department that poem is a secretary clinton has been phenomenal in this and it has been very effective because when you put in and you put in more pressure you put in more violence and then you become kind of a triangulator and like we saw in iraq and definitely seen that in afghanistan where it becomes there's no exit strategy from a lot of these conflicts and modern warfare particularly in the middle east where you have thousands and health and hears of people fighting for the same territory you have to you can't be another additional triangulator and i think that's some of the problem that that violence in front of tacks and you know a lot of these other things do when you've got to go you can go in with a speech and you can inspire people to rebel but then you never know what kind of government going to come about. as a result of that no you don't so you made. it was worse opposition to come in

that's right wrong you know ronald reagan said tear down this wall he might have been you know something horrible but it turned out well and good yet it took it was all going to take a while i mean we had it was you know it will soon be printing or integrate and i actually you know what i'm what i'm pointing out is that what obama did in egypt standing next to a dictator and basically saying tear down these dictatorships is the same thing that reagan gets all this credit for for doing and i'm going to take i would i think nobody wants to give obama the crown i'm astounded but i would also say that i would like to see obama live out more of what he said here to ok you know now i see that because i seriously he was elected here and he got in and i would say he has forgotten right he's there and he's ruled us more as a dictator and then as a ruler of it was this here toward. obama campaign person. all right rick perry his between. mitt romney no who has been campaigning for the republican nomination for what twelve years not. just in the least in the press but really who is more

there when there you go but this week we learned more about rick perry he thinks the private health insurance is a huge problem. extending private health insurance to all americans a huge problem he compared homosexuality alcoholism he signed a pledge to only appoint pro-life judges to federal judiciary positions it's been revealed he's executed more people than any governor in modern history including an innocent man his own gun probably great well. he would if you could if he's opposed to the sixteenth amendment he's previously called social security a ponzi scheme is this really the guy and obviously i'm directing this what is this really big guy that you you think the republicans and i'd like to you take up of course but let's remember and beat obama let's just remember i mean i think he's into the race and he's he's definitely gotten people excited let's remember in april donald trump was at the top of the heap too so. about a week i'm just chilling here is only been in the race for how long you two weeks

so i mean i'm just saying you know we're going to learn more about him we're going to see if we like him but the reality is he is the most scintillating character that's entered the race he's put excitement into it and you know i i want to know learn more about him and he has been reelected many times of texas you know. going to. texas governor be president he was pro-life. and he supported the right to keep and bear arms and he did pretty well and so we're seeing somebody who's maybe a similar but very different from president george bush but to say that because somebody is against gay marriage because somebody is pro-life that makes them not qualified to be president i don't agree with that he had written a book should be american people could read the book find out exactly what the guys are going to do to social security has also started this himself from this book i mean the fact that he is surging ahead in the polls is not at all surprised first of all i think everyone has been you know willing to admit that the g.o.p. field at this point has not been particularly exciting or resonated with

republicans kind of at large so the fact that now we've got a new guy and there's something that you know maybe could be hopeful for people i think he's obviously going to have a big boost in your secret back down once people get to know him a little bit more and they can kind of compare and contrast and with some of the other people that are already in the field and i think in terms of like what rick perry brings i mean he's in my mind i think it's crazy he's talking about secession and will be the first republican to say that abraham lincoln was wrong the founder of the party that we should know where the union but more so i think the thing is that he's going to be exciting to a lot of the evangelicals he has more government experience and running a state and his agenda good politician i mean. it might be the grifter part of him or it might be some brilliant politician part of the reason it was your two terms in congress. perry is certainly the out there statesman so speaking of republican politicians and republican politics the minnesota republican committee

just got busted they took this thing down for putting up as you can see this web site they got ok i call it busted they they had six republican senators members of congress the elected officials up on a basically an eeg bidding starts at two hundred fifty dollars you too can buy this member of the house or the senate so put your legislation through paul ryan has taken the habit of writing legislation that specifically helps his campaign donors is number one donor as he johnson actually ran on the floor of the house and said i stand here to spawn behalf of s.c. johnson and son asking for their tariffs on their air fresheners to be reduced so that they could be more profitable he's he did the same thing with a national bureau wholesalers the fraternity and sorority pac i mean it which isn't even in his state you know is national i mean certainly the thirty's and forty's he's not holding any free open zone halls he's starting to get some serious

blowback from his constituents for of his district offices all four of his district offices you know threat of being occupied so is the republican party now officially the best political party money can buy. i mean is this is that a problem that is this pervades politics i mean you pointed out some republicans i could easily point out a lot of democrats this same thing because it's nasty who are right in raising money who are writing who are doing it who are going some questionable things yes we all know now that you donate he's expected to raise about a billion dollars in his reelection bid when he ran for office the last time you refuse public financing so we could raise more money from lobbyists are you joining me brian in my call for public financing of election no i think there should be no public financing but full transparency i think public financing is probably one of the only ways to actually even the playing field the problem is what's the what's the alternative if you don't raise the money then you don't get your. voice out your constituents don't hear what you have to say i mean at this point we've made

it so that money is hand in hand with this political process i think if absolutely tasteless that they would put big even next to elected officials name and that's disgusting where there are the democrats who do it at the exact same thing democrat they're also running away from their constituents during this august recess just like republicans and that's also why the solution is transparency yours is public funding of abortions what's your solution no i agree with brian i don't i don't think that we should have transparency about what is it means how do you how do you institute how do you improve what i think we have to mean we demand that you have to show your donors are i mean is that then in court has said you don't have to that's unconstitutional that's not true if you campaign money for an election bid you have to disclose your donors there may be organizations that help you out that don't have to disclose donors in fact they know they are spending more money in this in the cycle that we just saw in wisconsin the i was there is a sions that are invisible but these like twenty pools or whatever you want to call they spent more than the parties so unaccountable money is more of

a political force in america no than accountable money so how do we make that accountable with the supreme court saying nothing wrong with you if you want a full transparency you should have good men you can get rid of the campaign limitations on the amount of money you can get through a candidate maybe that would solve the problem then you could give unlimited amounts of money to a candidate you agree with i think the problem with the modern information age that we have here is that we know that money equals the ability to get out and to speak and it is a lot like speech in this in this fashion but it controls speech it is a barrier to speech as well if not all the times bought up by somebody else or if you can't read as much money and put as much literature out as many ads are out and so at this point transparency i don't think is enough i don't think it is enough of an answer i think we're going back to kind of what's happened with paul ryan and some of these other guys on paul ryan call the cops on some people who are trying to meet with them. that worse then the money is when you flat out cannot access your representative and i think that as

a representative in congress you have an obligation to be accessible to the people and the moment that you're not at the moment you should look for another job and fifty four percent of the republicans are refusing to hold open to sixty one percent of the democrats are refusing democrats there is no time that you have got to see that it's an african clique i mean you have a systemic problem i mean we have a breakdown of democracy in america and i think we can point we can we can drive it all back to the supreme court not just citizens united but boston versus bloddy buckley versus the late zero all the way back to santa clara county nine hundred eighty six and and democracy is breaking down we've got to figure out how to put it back together you know in the united kingdom if anybody spends more than one hundred thousand pounds to get one person elected. that you know that's the end of it it's a crime they have term limits well the problem is that if we do we are called elections more for him to talk to the owners than to constituents to actually winning that's the problem and it is right now i mean you we look at we look at our members that are running and i mean we've we've all worked on these races. where

you're scheduling out a candidate you're blocking out all time and that's amazing call time that they're not even let's not knocking on doors if they're funded by the government a government funded speech in their love to run and you're going to read them but when they're spending half of their time on the phone or a nice fundraisers as opposed to meeting people and greeting people listening to their grievances you know they have there now are at this time there's a bird and a fundraiser in maine and arizona went to public we thought of elections all of a sudden you know literally you know average working people and housewives showing up and getting elected people who you know couldn't have done it otherwise and it was a great thing the supreme court knock that down this year because if you think about this i mean it's just challenging because you want to get the message out your constituents too so to get the money that you need to hear commercials but if we made political advertising on t.v. the same as cheapest backward can't do it again well there should. be a really good i'm not siding with brian on that. let's go to our group for

a question last to our last question hurricane irene is headed for us or near us and a scientist we've all heard of knows will take a look. at. this . next morning after they've had several months to crank on the data to work on the data and he will be able to show that storms are connected with climate change as are the floods in the midwest of the united states a north american strong this is. very mind. people in the us are the only big government not without a policy for climate change so this is this is something so is climate change responsible for irene or is it something like you know god thumbing his nose at eric cantor for telling the people in joplin missouri that they had to cut payments to their schools if they want to get federal relief to rebuild their homes that's

the deal. but with pat robertson's not going to face the gays you know i don't know if i might just be the debt deal and all of that dirtiness that try to wash it all away but then i can't really explain what they're doing. i don't trust anybody in a boat tells me that once this happens we will learn it's all about global warming but we're not going to know until after it happens it doesn't sound like sound science to me don't phrase name a science guy he is the general i generate it is that it appears to be you know the relationship well i think that the media is doing a great job of scaring irene away as the more they talk about it in a more broader and chips and beer weaker irene get and so i think that the ideas have a great power. stimulate the economy by more. black eyes are. bright thank you all thank you for the wisdom it's been great after the break tears

of the freeloaders in the us economy in my daily take out call out those persons have been writing the gravy train too long without paying their fair share. drives the world the fear mongering used by politicians who makes decisions. through who can you trust no one who is you know view with the global machinery see where we had a state controlled capitalism school sections when nobody dares to ask we do our tea question more. feel.

free couldn't take three months for chargers free arrangement free. three stooges free. download free broncos to mediocre for your media projects and free media don carty dot com. we need to go after all the free loaders living in america you know those guys addicted to welfare that's bankrupting our nation those same guys who don't pay their fair share in taxes those guys are just dirty up the place to exploit that expect the people around them to clean it up it's time to tell them the free ride

over so are you listening g.e. exxon mobil citigroup because i'm talking to you and i'm talking to you as a person is after all according to mitt romney that's what you are. corporations are people my friend we can raise taxes that of course they are everything corporations are also that goes to people so what do you think it goes. tragically the supreme court agrees with it and ever since the high court handed personhood over to corporations and us giving them the same rights as we the people to meddle in politics and influence lawmakers the one area these corporations of focused most on is tax dodging as i point out my book on equal protection these corporations on leash in army of corporate lobbyists to wriggly american tax code was so many loopholes that you'd be hard pressed to find one just one corporation in america it

pays any amount even close to the official top corporate tax rate in this country which is between fifteen and thirty five percent of course republicans who are wholly owned by the corporate persons argue that corporations are taxed far too much already but that's a lie as this chart shows as a percentage of our g.d.p. corporations in the united states already pay less in taxes than in any other developed nation in the world except for iceland. but that's not good enough i guess as rick santorum points that he thinks corporations should pay no taxes at all well but the big thing of good prose is to take the corporate rate which makes us uncompetitive particularly extorting goods take the corporate rate and cut it to zero for me factures well ricky wake up and smell the coffee of many corporations already a no corporate taxes in fact they pay less than no corporate taxes they get welfare

but she which earned more than fourteen billion in profits yet somehow paid no taxes and even managed to get a three point two billion dollars tax rebate or horizon his workers are on strike because the corporation is trying to cut their benefits which earned more than twenty four billion dollars in profits last year and like g.e. paid no taxes but instead got a tax rebate over the last two years of over a billion books not to mention bank of america boeing exxon mobil citigroup wells fargo some of the biggest corporations in america paid no nada none zero zip taxes in the united states and twenty or so and news corp the parent company of fox so-called news they also escaped without paying any taxes last year yet the million are talking heads over there still paying their taxes or dare why i guess that's

why they hired ricky santorum as a contributor earlier this year it wasn't always like this in america though there was a time not too long ago when corporations did pay their fair share during the one nine hundred sixty s. back when america was booming and the middle class was growing corporate taxes made up twenty two percent of all the revenue going into the government but today it's about twelve percent as in corporations have managed to get their taxes cut in half . coincidentally millionaires and billionaires by and large the c.e.o.'s of these corporations have also managed to cut their own income taxes in half and today enjoy the lowest levels of taxation in america in more than fifty years corporations pay less in income taxes they pay less in property taxes and they get hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies also known as corporate welfare and all of this is paid for by you and me but most americans

struggling day in and day out to make men and meet all the very same corporations were getting tax breaks to ship our jobs overseas for even more tax free province and it's not like corporations exist in their own little bubble free from government services they use all the same stuff that we as people use roads and railways the court system our police and firefighters our military they use it but they don't pay for they like us use all the commons they just don't pay for it these guys are moochers so now is the time to cut the free riders loose we've seen for the last thirty years what corporations do with their tax breaks and that's pay their c.e.o.'s mind boggling amounts of money screw over their workers ship jobs and factories overseas and even crash our markets well the gravy train ends today and it ends by declaring once and for all that corporations are not people that

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