option in the judiciary. those are the headlines up next our team mates the captain and navigator who saved all seventy two passengers when a plane's engines failed mid-flight. hello again a welcome to spotlight. on r.t. and today my guest is. six years ago two russian scientists. discovered a revolutionary material called. last week they were awarded a nobel prize in physics for what is likely to lucian ice. today. are packing their bags to collect their million pounds. is joining us. from england. born in russia he's thinking of us all of his father was an

engineer while his mother was a teacher after graduating with honors from the moscow physical technical university. at a scientific research center in the in moscow two years later he moved to the netherlands way he met another russian scientist on drug game and whose guidance he continues to work the do physicists later moved to the university of manchester in the u.k. to continue their research six years ago no less so if i'm game discovered graffiti for which they were awarded you're a physics prize there to receive the world's most prestigious scientific award the nobel prize for producing graphene which can rival silicon as a basis of computer chips so perhaps there's a sense in letting silicon valley stay american but making griffin valley a more russian creation at skolkovo. welcome to the show thank you very much for being with us. first of all have you

already got yourself a tuxedo maybe you got one. and of the too much too many of our other problems. i would i would appreciate some advice ok. well the russian government as far as you know i'm sure is attempting to create a sort of a silicon valley here outside moscow well do you think it may be a better idea now to to to create a new graphene value rather than silicon valley. from a graffiti is of called the a priority of words silicon valley would be you would be quite we would you would know you have published a paper describing the describing your your your invention your work well five

years ago right so. far five years what have you been doing since what will you now with your research is another good scene or is something else that was that was only the beginning and what we showed in that paper is that we can produce this this material apparently. this material got so many from passing properties that we were still stellar in for those six years i guess we're going to started or people use are going to started for the next ten twenty or you or you were more years or so so you still are working on graphene and the same on the serious subject you're so so you know moving you're not moving i'd be measured if i were from the subject. unfortunately nor there and the main problem is that i guess the most interesting experiment is still had a farce and of course this prize really. brings us

a little bit behind on this in this rush to get to those very nice experiments can you tell us what is this most that made experiment and frankly speaking for every single research. might be their own type of experiments because this this material or has a number of very different but very recent properties the mechanical properties the optical properties the. properties for me is the combination between mechanical and electronic properties which are the most interesting constantin you easier said than a minute ago that you were in this in this paper of yours for which you got the nobel prize you said that you said i quote we can produce good feeling but as far as i know you are not producing anything or you are interested in production or you just interested in research. well we do research on this

material bugs in order to start our experiments we need to produce those samples first so of course the sample production reproduction of all this material is quite a port and. very often the most important parts or for our research you said that you have to produce enough material for your research but one of your colleagues in the united kingdom i quote said in this age of complexity with the machines like the super collider these guys managed to get the nobel prize using just sellotape so. is it true did you really that's. yes that's absolutely true and furthermore i guess a cheaper sounds good eighty percent of researchers across the world who do graffiti and it's actually it's a seclusion subject no they but they still use this sort of tape methods issue

introduced introduced in two thousand and four and you also still use sellotape in europe. in most cases hear us and don't like it in greek. you have a year do you have enough sellotape now or you still i wasn't allowed to is still have to do to pick pick it out out of garbage beds. room got an exclusive supply from a few companies ok now. why are you called garbage scientists you know this label garbage scientists is it is it really because beer because you you pulled your first samples are the garbage bin or what is it. yes probably and i totally don't don't don't come although nobody tells us brave enough to say twenty to twenty phrases. totally totally foreign was being called like this it's an

interesting story we were gods the indians were looted our colleague electioneer city who was working with us at the time. during experiments on the way how he cleaned graphite in the throw in this cellar table with pieces of is a sort of graphite into the bin and basically what we've done we've picked a top and. made our first samples from from those that so so you don't regard this next day mad as being insulting to you now absolutely no i don't i don't care how people call and ok you know can you tell us when did you realize that what you were doing is really a revolution in physics did you ever realise it. well. you see we are quite lucky you know all that we can afford to

work result thinking about producing area lucian physics we can't afford to work just because we were really really like it and already the very first experiments are true we wish we had done it was was those samples made from those first tapes we realize that we have something extremely interesting in our hands and you took us to probably easier or you and more to god's the graph and samples bods the interesting physics we can see in the in the first experiments ok how many people except you and game contributed to this graphene research because as far as i know usually one or two people get the nobel prize but actually it's a it's a company of like dozens of people is that the case with here. oh yes here i will do the tours poor grades researchers of fantastic people who are doing those first

experiments you see i don't think that. the prize is due in just on the merits of the one experiment so rouer doing very interesting physics over the over the whole all over the years. in that we we. especially want to think of the morals of it in the gregorian who've been working with us for for quite a long time and. also have a great pool of from ta stupidness to the sun poles dogs who from all over the world with us but this science is no. it is this the scariest so vast now that we rely you know experiments not on the on the on our results we do rely on the results of all the community and it is you know it consists of probably hundreds of labs across the world so are you going to split

the million quid you hey going to get it yet is that. it's well it's million dollars leigh i. have so busy at the moment i didn't know a thought for its. thought about this and really come hard year ok you're eager to each year and now your colleague andrew again said i quote that graphene has all the potential to change our life the same way plastics did in the twentieth century so do you think that the twenty first century will be there the the age of growth feed the age of game and know myself. oh yeah absolutely griffin changed our lives to come completely dramatically so we've had from toss to time over the last few years and we arrive to

a very small one which is which is quite good as well but seriously i think. it does have a great for potential we still don't realize. how large of this full time show i don't want to speculate about its place and soon it can or griffin there are faults a wall can complicate and the question is that. as a side already there are quite a few properties of this material which are unique but it's mechanical up to code electronic and it will find its up locations because that you never sold off the nobel prize winner in physics this year spotlight will be back shortly right after the break so stay with them.

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welcome back to spotlight i am algor now and just a reminder that my guest today via satellite link from from manchester is constantin number still of the man who was awarded nobel prize in physics this year . consensus well i know that you both you. and ray game and the colleagues you have just mentioned telling us about. most of them are russians and i know that you even work at the so-called russian floor at the inverse of manchester although about stories now that by russians so you are a british citizen game is a dutch citizen but do consider yourself still to did to be russian or or british where i don't know european a what do you think oh. i definitely consider myself russian. i'm british as well and we of

a lot to russian education to. and it sounds absolutely. but you chose to go to continue your work in england because what. because the university you're in now gives you more research possibilities what else what if you compare well you already said in a couple of interviews that that the russian system of training in physics is the best in the world but after you trained compare russian and european british what are the differences. first of all let me let me tell you that it is absolutely normal practice that scientists draw from one lab to another to learn different techniques and obtain different skills i can tell you that if you got ph d. in holland for instance he warned be able to continue as opposed to get there

because you would have to while or you would have to go away from the counter where there are some some some some researchers of course applied. was the to measure difference or probably one of the one of the good things thing about. western system of science is its openness and so so easy to move from one university to to another and definitely help in transfer in the knowledge of the skills and the dick knowledge or and it's it's it's one of the key issues in more them science well president medvedev when he was speaking well a couple of days ago i think it was the national teacher's day was he was presenting awards to the best teachers in russia he he said a couple of words of a year to you and the game and he said well it's

a pity that those russian guys actually got their prize working abroad and he said i would like to see more and more russian scientists working in russia getting the same possibilities the same funny advantages and what do you feel the do you share the same concern with our president. i would say that it's did you should you should do it more broadly i should say that we were in the in wide. back to russia not only russian scientists but we should in the wide the best scientists. back to russia and that that includes russian british or american who was science is very different mission is international and you always got a war always want to get the best result and the best results are produced by the best people and you cannot rely on one nationality only in this in this process you

have to you master in white the bastion for us well the really mentioned results of brain drain from russia is that russian scientists are increasingly uncritically sighted in world scientific press and in world scientific publications but since all these scientists are now abroad most of them are abroad does it mean that the younger generation of russian scientists would may not be as successful as you are . two points just toward north all the russian side is broad there are huge number of from past and for good scientists who work in russia that's i totally disagree with you on this point and second as i said already exchange of scientists is not about things that's absolute can or practice brain drain is nor is not of both in the berthing is the is no

a real us promises that scientists are coming back to russia and shoot him a sure russia fantastic school of science we should share it with the war but we also have to get something back from the war and we need to unwired best the best people and i don't think that. makes a big issue here because that in the russian government the kremlin has been pretty much obsessed by nana technologies over the last couple of years and many people a journalist have been pretty sort of casting at their about this obsession with nanotechnology do you think that investing into nanotechnology is really the right thing to do for the russian government today. well i guess as you probably misread all this all this initiative. you always need a big flag and i call the the main idea behind this is it is to invest to

technology in general and it's the correct things it will be absolutely wrong of course to invest into knowledge of knowledge ian forget completely about micro technology and forget about. and concentrate only about on this time minus nine preference. so invest in technology as long as it was was some science is is a perfectly good idea e you said that she didn't even know the for the tell minutes ago the amount of the money will get within the prize does that mean that you are not at all interested in money and in business nature you are not at all you and your colleagues are not at all interested in the commercial they use of graphene of putting it into is into well real life into gadgets and whatever. well look what.

you cannot tell it's also from my colleagues who have students who own companies which are we produce graphene who have nothing to do is that they those companies do do exist so some of my good friends and colleagues they do have some interest in in business. why we're interested in having a good time in the lab. if it involves creation new type of devices from from graffiti we will do it so we are since we produced a prototype of liquid crystal display made of woman we had of it of graphene bought you are absolutely right it will be very extremely very boring for me to sit for here and try and sue. to make this this device work slightly better that will be

toward for me but that's an important part of or of jobs and you mentioned spending time having good simon the lab which we should say it is that it is well to really think for for for in life tell us about it what is having a good time with your friends in the lab what do you do what do you mean by having good time in the lab. ok don't take your honor. like picking up squash table and making make in first examples of graphene that's fantastic time. making some new type of devices there's a fantastic zero four for me the best one is a device which you can produce. in the day you just got an idea where you will produce a device and you measure it in the rain that's the. best one. and. any interest in arguments any unusual having

a good time for us constantin this graphene as far as i understand it is a unique unique two d. material a material with unique qualities is it really unique is it one of a kind or there may be other materials with similar or even better qualities yet to come yet to be invented. oh yes absolutely that's and i'm a little bit concerned about this but we are so so much concentration on graffiti i really would like to to look a little bit broader now but even griffin by itself already that he gives us so much fun that it's hard to. go somewhere else but i'm sure and probably we would suspect how to do it there are other materials there reads worse similar interests and problems as well russian kids have have lots of

sellotape and we call scotch well they're well well whatever so where where do we have to look for these new materials you said it may be other than graffiti where it what it is what does this do we have to look for it while we can you can think about combinations of graphene and some signals and that will produce you a new material and like just put into will gather on three or three rough interns who gather and the it will be a new material or together so there are so instead of using sellotaped to split grafin you just put it back or you just use some non the glue if you want to glue it back together so that's just one just i just corrine you ideas well last question i have read in the press that the military are already getting increasingly interested in your invention have you heard anything about that do you think that can that get. this interest from from

the side of the military can spoil your life make your life after. we were god i know if you guys from from the office of air force or us and from no research to the robber were nice guys and we do have funding from from them your goal for a conference you you see a top talk from from even told they did the show you a performance of high frequency but in this instance and half of the screen is bland because they say that it is its information so yes there is some. drive from the three as well i hate what it is and it is. classified by. the recent about a free service which is which is doing more than mostly by any three in the its

content you never see all of the russian russian scientists in manchester and no good guys would it that will need some help getting these coming couple days in buying a stick so you know we sound so please give the time to those that can thank you very much for being with us and just to remind us that there are plenty in the myself was our guest today and. will be back with more friends than comments on what's going on in and outside russia until then stay on party and take care.

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