but without power all along the u.s. has turned same order as it slams into new york bringing high winds and heavy downpours and up next is the second part of our special report on the capital punishment debate in the u.s. and we meet the family of a sixteen year old boy who was executed in one thousand nine hundred nine don't miss it. sister debbie lives not far from the penitentiary town she too used to take care of her nephew quite a lot when volunteer was out on the road noel and laura knew her well. we're all for justice if it be anyone arabs you know we've been right there with bells you know ringing it because it's payback it's been it's you know whatever but when it's someone that that you haven't you care about and

you did the same you know. it's mixed emotions it's it's unexplainable. it's sad. it's. it's it was all in uncalled for. and. so waste. he was the last. part of me. and my sister and. he's gone or. he was my sister's child she's gone now he's gone now they're all. in that these. few i feel

responsible for helping in fusion yeah. do i feel bad about it you know. now do i feel bad for the grieving. jim. they lost. lost and sean i just lost my father. grandfather jim. debbie refused to come to the execution on february fourth one thousand nine hundred. six minutes to die.

is just so. person. because i want to. and i have great times for. it it's done it's. worth years had to worry. it's what is just as nappy what if he gets out of the kids out there and did

things i had no worries years. present a child's execution that night there were also those who had tried to save him. jones execution left scars on his lawyer steve presson.

to go to. steve still lives in the little town of norman near oklahoma city. rationalizing in final appeals of the condemned he has lost eleven of the men he has defended and succeeded in saving only two of them. and we hear so many people who support the death penalty saying well it's part of our system we have it. the only reason that we have it as part of the system is because they act to change it and they they support the system and it's wrong and they don't know why it's so they don't know first hand. or even second you know what. a horrible. process it is. i don't know until one of their own family members has to go through it and then

suddenly there. they see everything wrong with. that case and others that i've done but shawn's because i was pretty close to. destroyed my faith in the american legal system before doing death row cases i had the highest confidence in our courts and our law enforcement because i was a cop for ten years. and i practiced civil law and i worked in the courts. i thought that things were good and far and it was seeing the machinery of the state moving so venomously. vemma not only against these people on death row two to extinguish their lives and ignoring good evidence and ignoring constitutional violations.

that just took it out of me. made me it's made me bitter i'm burned out. i really dislike the system i dislike being a lawyer. that's what it is that. steve no longer attends the execution. many people in oklahoma claim that the executions are humane and painless. i'm heading to mcallister in the eastern part of the state where the penitentiary is located to find the man who executed shown sellers. in oklahoma the prison guards carry out the death sentences.

the simplest way is to run an ad in the local newspaper looking for officers who participated in the execution. problem or. you know a member shontelle or because he was a first guy that actually he was not adult at. work or when you first jamie jamie. thank you no xan.

thought of while i remember that exchange. when twenty plus execution. was involved in all morning. i was involved in approximately fifty two. proximately sixty execution. fred cooke who was in charge of sean's execution his father also executed prisoners in the electric chair fred is retired now

but brought johnny and then and he would yes of he had big he had but i mean you know he is guilty he he done it they were no two ways of bad it and. so nice interesting but they if and we kept him on death row nto such time as it was time to execute him and then we executed. once they come through that though were they no good. they don't have to get on that i will mail two ways about it and so there it is crawl up on title. what was going through sean's mind during his final moments. when an execution takes place says are injected from this room through these holes in the wall the state recruits three citizens to carry out this task the law guarantees that they

remain anonymous. during the entire execution only the guards are in direct contact with the condemned prisoners. tim guarded the inmates during their final hours. lane was one of the guards that would strap them to the gurney. dark as well. jane would bring the lethal chemical and see that the execution ran smoothly. for the oldest procedure.

eight nine minutes before the execution is scheduled we're moving from from they say oh take the men's add execution chamber with a payment of six. officers restrained all when they first come out of this they have this look on all your city if you've known for twenty years and be known for a long time they have this look. disbelief that you're going to be one of them that's going to walk i'm in there you know hank you know legard he anything golden or like a main they wish he was somebody else you wish he was somebody else. and bias said you walk mokhtar the gurney and they look at you because they don't know they've never done this before there's a sense of stress maybe nervousness but as far as you know same one individual that once they entered the door to the chamber

the nerves got to him so bad that they became weak in the knees you know that is canada and the strap down team just reached up and grabbed him by the arm and you know just held him up and assisted him own to the gurney and they look at you like for some direction you know sir can you lay on the gurney and i look at you like you can you know have come sort of empty and we want to do that. you know and they get up there in the will you when we do now you know when would you lay down here put your hand put your arms. and know ask why are you doing that you can tell nothing you can answer him you just got to keep doing it and once you get him strapped down and they look at you and you know i've had him look at me you know like they want to say bye or say some i just don't look at him just i would look at him and i would look at so much i don't one thing someone cries to mum doubt that

point toward oh say let the execution began before he says that he waits a little bit and that way if for the governor in case to governor call and that will last only way that the execution could be stopped if the governor calls at that point and at that time they will start administering the drugs into a system you have that moment of time to think you know how to talk to that individual forty five minutes ago that individual's dead now. and. it's a humbling experience i mean you. at times just disbelief you know . because some of them i know for ten and twelve fourteen years. you will never forget about it you think about it until the day you know. headed fix you how can that not affect you that you're taking some guy you know he's done

something to somebody did all this that you're taking some guy and stripping down and basically you're putting me to death because you're part of the whole process of doing it but yeah it bothers me to this day i had nightmares i wake up waiting i wake up with edible nightmares that he won't do no good to tell you because you would not understand it unless you've been there. twelve years after the execution of sawn sellers i met only one participant of the story who didn't seem to have the slightest doubts.

this is oklahoma county's district attorney the man who demanded the death sentence for sean. he held office for close to twenty five years he is known in the us for being the d.a. who has obtained the most death sentences around sixty. macy always claimed that the death sentence has a dissuasive effect and he reiterated that opinion joining sean's trial. this may not be the best way to stop the killing but it's the only way i know and i think these jurors are saying look you go and you kill three people in this county wouldn't give you the death penalty that hopefully somebody else will. do. the district attorney's arguments always had the backing of the public.

may see the onion olding d.n.a. is now retired and lives on his farm a few miles from oklahoma city. have you seen the execution yourself know what. much of what jobs a prosecutor bring the charges represent their lives and are you for the death penalty i don't think. so treasure joy. is a nurse or law hopefully. model law my fellow law enforcement people move to agree that his only target. goodness and if it isn't it is just

as you say you hope that it is a deterrent it brings it is not proven well if we are. the first no where i know of a figure when you stop someone of news of. the much fear district attorney who has never witnessed a single execution now admits that there has never been any perth's that the death penalty has a dissuasive effect on criminality. the facts of error in the twelve years since sean's execution oklahoma's crime rate has not decreased. right now no worry or who crime is on who was not impressed and

especially directed to young women and children and. i can explain to you of wives having. america crimes are very horrible crimes i don't know how to explain it. we've seen had several cases filed in this county were more friend her husbands used to smash the baby against a wall and i don't want to live. the person could do that until a baby. a crime was that we're dealing with i don't rehabilitate work. i think if you commit these horrible horrible crimes. almost beyond

redemption how he had teach somebody to. until later on. his. if people only each other there would be conclusion. can. eat. the.

meat. fish eat eat eat eat it was. the sabbath. for many citizens of oklahoma the bible offers an irrefutable justification for the death penalty particularly the verses which are subject to widely differing interpretations about an eye for an eye a tooth for a target we have pastor don't duncan accompanied sean and many other prisoners both men and women in their final moments now he no longer carries out this mission. does that scripture justify what we're doing today. now or are we

doing it today because we like punishing people in my life it's been. it's been eight years now. and now i can finally talk about fully talk about what i did. do i regret no help the person not that i was in favor of putting that person to death nothing was going to stop that i was there to help that person and so i was i would minister to the person i would talk to them i cannot do this any longer i can't put words in god's mouth but i don't think he would want the death penalty i think he would want us to share a laugh and how to have laugh in christ.

do you believe in god. much do you fear his judgment. why we're so. and so rush for him. using it as a chance that god is against death penalty. six

years after sean's execution the supreme court at long last ruled against capital punishment for minors. today three thousand three hundred prisoners are waiting on death row throughout the united states. in oklahoma the mortal remains not claimed by family are buried in the little cemetery in front of the penitentiary. it.

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