out of this world view from the orbital pleasure dome. and now back to libya in the wake of the rebel success in gaining control of most of the country there's been a lot of debate regarding nato's role than it is laura m. it has asked a british m.p. who opposed intervention in libya about the role western powers should play in shaping the country's future. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i created in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was

right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the issue the issue was all whether nato should then become involved as effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not the should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think what we should have seen is we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the straight forward for the rebels david cameron said

a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment as it sounds. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong and one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled

out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that advance group now that i think is where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of pursing peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i've seen that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structure for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there effectively to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i am very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in from international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end. i wish

the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this very different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all the clear chemical. biological weapons that he knew he had previously and. he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x.

nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see or details to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iran given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations had the world done that then what would have happened is he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did now the

fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that fourteen forty one said it was the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please come up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they

let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army and they said you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position for what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato stepping in has made the situation worse is it not their nature his responsibility to stay and clear up the matter you

pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves government insists that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict been conducted do you believe that. it's always a danger for every government in my view and every army to be

fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learnt from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the faction inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and.

all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of other. the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately. will cause more trouble in the middle east after all already deeply unstable so i think the most serious i think it will if if if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen and i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not. and

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party's top stories libyan rebels were jacked colonel gadhafi is offer of talks about the country's future the national transitional council says it wants to see him in jail and not the negotiating table. bloodshed in syria continues just by promises of press reforms but activists claiming at least five people were killed over the weekend the arab league has become the latest into. national body to pressure president to end the violence. and the ultimate retreat a russian company plans to open the first base hotel in just five years it will cost potential tourists a million dollars to enjoy the out of the world view from the orbital. more details on all those stories coming up for you in fifteen minutes let's check in at the sports now we're standing by you're in and at last there was

a company ford sales called moscow at the top of the russian football's premier league yeah that's how to themselves for far too long for months and months and he said we were top of the table but now they're old friends from some petersburg they have joining the more enough happened in just a moment. thanks for joining us this is sports today we've got plenty to cover in cleaving the stories in brief. spoils shirred most fiery football darby ends up all square between spartak and c.s.k. . edging closer a second straight form no one problem now looks all but inevitable for sebastian vettel after victory number seven of the year out spot. on raising

a glass thomas bjorn wins a morrison fight monthly off to claim the johnnie walker championship at gleneagles . let's kick off of football where sunday saw a cracker of a in the russian premier league sports like hosting the leaving the luzhniki stadium spartak went into the clash aiming to keep a two month intact and it was the red white suits seize the initiative right before the break. heading home to retreat from bart's cross shot but sisko got right back into it half a dozen minutes after the break not the greatest of the offending from the home side allowing say dude to take full advantage. one would become to sixty nine minutes in again sports looking less than inspirational at the box around toss it this time finding net. however a contender for strike of the weekend would guarantee flurry carpenter charges a point among you all and meant for it to shoot ducks says how they have sold in

class would finish. on that score i mean serious to help the company at the summit for the first time in months joining the army men on top following a five minute rushing over a c. plus the dark alexander project off helping himself to embrace before the how far more in simply. it could work from only the final eleven minutes would then turn into a goldfish persian gulf to me was the trip from the penalty spot before a brilliant fully from what i'm unsure call for me to do or no five minutes from time the icing on the cape coming courtesy of dummy at the life full chip making it with number three on the trot. kept the pressure up on the leading per the third seeded side seeing off for technology. against southern russian opposition. group being leap frog.

into fourth went home to rock bottom. smiles all across manchester today after both the red and blue sides of the city rocked up cricket scores on sunday in the english premier league result of the day on the other glee occurring at old trafford or a man united hundred heaviest defeat in a tree. it is quite right you're seeing. how it ended up wayne rooney trick in the absolute demolition. helps himself to. run out five one winners away to point. while those four goals putting up high off the charts united on city top of the table no points after three games wins also on the day for stoke on newcastle united. the spanish for murder league a season kicked off this weekend champions barcelona in action later today against

on their already playing catch up second favorites for the spanish title l'oreal madrid headings oregon for six on sunday evening number one simplicity itself. being off christiane or nah luke feel the story twenty five minutes marcello would find the net minutes later with number three arriving after the hour market zambia loans of them on sunday. from outside the area i know by the time round though i'd never his second on the rails fourth it was much too easy for the visitors cock out this time taking full advantage of acres of space afforded in front of the store and got the goal by no. trick would julie arrive for the easiest of toppings for the world's most expensive for six the final story i'll search for first the trying for years to. to form a one where they all have shortened on sebastian vettel retaining his driver's title the german tightening his grasp at the top of the standings after leading from start to finish to claim victory number seven of twelve this season is red

bull team taking the top two podium spots for mark webber finish up in second place on the collins jenson button proved from a starting position of thirteen to third the night for the on some. steam it was helped and crashed out early on he had started to say first tell the crowd. that's a lot of leads where by ninety six points. in motor g.p. casey stoner was finally able to conquer the brickyard circuit at the indianapolis crown previous trillian racing to a seventh when of the season after failing to reach the podium during his two previous items in indy stoner on pole for the race but it was done for those who got off to one of his trademark start stealing the lead for the twenty five year old stay calm on his on the stablemates trail costumes on seven producing entailing not second position fending off yamaha rivals ben spies on the renzo underwriters

have now won three straight races held on american soil with stoner earning his third when this lead over reigning champion the reins are now increasing to forty five. david blot meanwhile has named his final russian squad for the twenty eleven european basketball championships the team having a little fun with a mature select and. moscow before they headed off for a wedding says tournaments start in lithuania and be a stars team a famous golf. are expected to run for the team but have some new teammates nizhny novgorod small forward samuel. has been given a little call up if you need for almost is rising me absent the shooting guard left by block the spike having a solid incompetent and world championships the country's best will be up here against amateur and through see it's much tougher competition awaits in the form of ukraine in the august thirty first. switching to golfer thomas bjorn held his nerve

in scotland to secure the johnnie walker championship the danish veteran fending off the competition in a five hole play off for a twelfth european tour when you were finishing the day on three under sixty nine tied with mark foster george put st bernard weisberg on club. which meant five extra holes bjorn while he kept swinging away as he watched the iceberg. of contention on the first second hole respectively i asked him to stay for with bjorn closing it out to after coots a missed the chance the forty year old the securing his second one of the season after also finishing fourth at the british open this year. they n.f.l. preseason is winding down with the new orleans showcasing the same high powered scoring attack which earned then the two thousand and nine super bowl title the oakland raiders defense with few months for drew brees and company in a twenty point factory for the saints the visiting new orleans struck first but

they are trying to write back to their a pagan day twenty six old telling the game at seven a piece in the ring lots of different tonight super bowl hero tracy for her on his way to the end zone plenty of running and passing in the game with a tight one jones again leveling the must jump out seventeen seventeen this time the twenty two yards down for the saints down twenty seventeen but spore three straight touchdowns when raised by chase down we'll get the field this question about riley three are caused by poor hungry forty twenty one free. finally winter sports men are busy preparing for the new season including plenty of one of the most popular games in russia bundy but as like as it may be here it remains overshadowed globally by more stylish sports richard from poor fleet takes the story. if you ask anyone outside of russia or scandinavia what is bandy the vast majority wouldn't have a clue however the game is very simple it's just like field hockey played on ice

that may not be as big as football and ice hockey the bandys still has a strong following in russia and sweden and one of the biggest stars around is mikhail sufficient of there's a household name in both these nations has been a big week for the russian captain as he rejoined his beloved denominate sco calling a spell in the swedish league. and i believe it is more fun to watch banned the in russia as the game is a lot quicker and there is more emphasis on attack in sweden the game is more tactically based and is more defensively orientated though they are very good at this sunday's big business in russia where the sport is played professionally crowds for international matches can be upwards of thirty thousand players can expect to earn over one hundred thousand dollars a year whereas in sweden a monthly salary is in the region of just two to three thousand euros meaning many of the players have to take up second jobs. the standard of bandy is increasing all

the time being crease in salaries also helps but there are a number of other factors which are making the sport better and more and more popular in the likes of russia in sweden there are a number of factors limiting the development of bandy firstly it's not the lympics sport which means it's difficult for associations in countries where the sport isn't as popular to get state funding also of it's a very fast and exciting game to watch when understands the sheer speed of the game isn't suited t v as before can be difficult to see as can sometimes be the case and field hockey are the most rational we need to try to spread the game more globally and play tournament's in countries where the game isn't as developed over the big championships take place in russia and sweden we should try to play more in countries like finland norway and even in north america people read about the game in magazines. however it's only when they see burned on t.v. that they can understand what the sport is all about it because it's got ice palace

is one of the top ninety stadiums around the world and watching indoors can be of great benefit in the winter when temperatures aren't there was dropped as well as minus thirty however for hard fans of sports in russia and sweden not even such a cold is able to put them all fear favorite pastime which is don't see moscow. that's how the sport ships up this hour i'll see you soon in two hours time in fact but now it's the weather here in twenty four hour party. hungry for the full story we've got it first the biggest issues get a human voice face to face with the news makers.

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