taurus sixty million dollars to reach out of this world view from the orbital pleasure dome. and now back to libya in the wake of the rebel success and gaining control of most of the country there's been a lot of debate regarding nato's role in it. has asked a british m.p. who opposed intervention in libya about the role western powers should play in shaping the country's future. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very serious against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that gaddafi looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention the point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i queried in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was

right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the issue the issue was all this whether nato should then become involved as effectively the strikeforce for the rebel courts and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the brief that the united nations had given and it was wrong it was not the should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think what we should have seen is we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi to neutralize gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the strike force for the rebels david cameron said

a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment is it sounds. it was very clear in the original u.n. resolution it was very clear when our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. haitian force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled me all was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k.

we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading that advance group now that i think is where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of pursing peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i've seen that something you oppose but you know decimated country with no structures for maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there effectively to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally about it was about humanitarian protection now let me be clear i am very pleased to see the back of gadhafi who is a very evil dictator the sooner he is in front of international criminal court the better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end. i wish

the new regime well but i think it's important that they establish their regime they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong and unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is this very different it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under the chapter seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of all the clear chemical. biological weapons that he knew he had previously. he refused to do that even as late as february hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still

has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see or details to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iran given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would have happened if he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated into a far more major conflict into the in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was

a terrible situation and it was right that we took the action that we did not the fact that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that forty and forty one said it was the final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they don't do it and i say look i've told. once already please come up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with saddam hussein and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after that what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of this and what you saw certainly in iraq was

a complete failure of the occupying powers then to stabilize the situation and they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army they said you must go back to your villages but you can keep your weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position where what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless we equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think afghanistan is a very good example russia has very bitter experience of afghanistan as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone an occupying force is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato stepping in has made the situation

worse is it not then nato has responsibility to stay and clear up the mat you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves governments in fifth that lessons were learned from what happened in iraq but given the way that this conflict been conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government in my view and every army to be

fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learnt from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that be do you think. nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and.

all across the world people have had to learn to live. with the fact that we have different religious views different ethical views nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people of. the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately. will cause more trouble in the middle east region after all already deeply unstable no i think the most serious i think it will if it if nato stays there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen i think the really troubling conflicts in the middle east at the moment are within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not. and that

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i got out of the military in one thousand nine hundred sixty six i got over because it's the same so i saw the things i was doing and this reason we were given for doing it was a personal protest. during the vietnam war and to war movement emerged that altered the course of history this movement didn't take place on college campuses but in berets and on ships penetrated elite military colleges like west point and it spread throughout the battlefields of vietnam. today few people know about the g.i. movement against the war in vietnam. ask the army we always said free the army or fun travel and adventure but it really meant the army.

would be unravelled for japs colonel gadhafi is all for talks about the country's future the national transitional council says it wants to see him in jail and not paid table. in syria a new despite promises of press reforms but activists claiming at least five people were killed over the weekend the arab league has become the latest international body. russian president to end the violence. and the ultimate retreat a russian company plans to open the first ever space hotel in chatham five years it'll cost potential tourists sixty million dollars to enjoy be out of this world you know. the get the latest from the world of sport with you know neil and a big month for russia's basketball this gets going very shortly yes indeed we're

about to find. who is our national team for the european championships some surprises we're going to tell you why that is in just a sec. thanks for joining us this is sports today plenty of heads in moving the stories. spoil sure most fiery football darby ends up all square between sports and c.s. cup. final cuts russia's basketball squad for the fast approaching european championships in lithuania is enough to. raise a glass thomas bjorn windsor morrison five monthly off to claim the johnnie walker championship a plenty. let's kick off with football where sunday so a cracker of

a moscow darby in the russian premier league sports hosting the leading the luzhniki stadium went into the car shaming to keep a two month on be intact and it was ready to seize the initiative right before the break. heading home to beatrix come for a stroll scrum shant. got right back into it half a dozen minutes after the break not the greatest of the fending from the home side allowing steve you didn't be out to take full advantage. one would become to sixty nine minutes in again sports talk looking less than inspirational on the back zoran toss it's them on this time finding the net however a contender for strike of the weekend would guarantee very coffins charges a point in money well emanate letting rip for two two but it's hardly absorbing class finish. line meaning saskia have company at the summit for the first time in months and eight joining the army men on top

following a five nil rushing over f.c. krasnodar alexander persia helping himself to a brace before the how far mark incent petersburg after good work from dummy the final. minutes would then turn into a goldfish persia cough claiming his trick from the penalty spot before a brilliant volley from. me to five minutes from time be icing on the cake coming courtesy of downey a delightful chip making it with number three on the trot work cindy. elsewhere in the day to keep the pressure off on the leading third seated side. fellow. against other positions. while the rubin leapfrog some. fourth place with a one mil win at home to rock bottom. smiles all across in manchester today after both the red and blue house of the city rocked cricket

scores on sunday in their english premier league result of the day on doggedly appearing at old trafford where money united arsenal their heaviest defeat in eighty four years do not adjust your screen not score you're seeing is right eight to have ended wayne rooney trick in the absolute demolition job but he helped himself to four goals as. a way to pointless united on top of the table and points up to three games wins also on the day for stoke and you can see. the spanish premier league season kicked off this weekend champions barcelona in action later today against. they already playing catch up second favorites for the spanish title real madrid hitting sorry for six on sunday goal number one simplicity itself silting up christiane rinaldi who but with the scoring twenty four minutes in marcello would find the net minutes later with number three

arriving after the hour mark selby alonzo with a month on bringing home from outside the area. by the time the run naldo had netted his second on reality fourth it was much too easy for the visitors. this time taking full advantage of the space afforded in front of the sorry got the gold five nil the trick with julie rife for renaldo the easiest of toppings for the world's most expensive footballer six though the final score reel search for first me trying in four years was to write i david black has named his final russian squad for the twenty eleven european basketball championships the team leisure taking on a number to select in moscow before they headed off for whedon's to tournaments start in the few any n.b.a. stars to a famous golf or olenka are expected to run for the team but will have some new teammates nizhny novgorod small forward samuel i'm told off has been given on an old roll call up while yet feeney corona off is surprisingly absent b.c.'s his

shooting guard left thought that blew up despite having a solid i think the twenty ten world championships the side aiming for a second year a basket title in three years take on ukraine in their opener on august thirty first. two all versus best ice hockey players are set to face off against each other for a noble cause alexander ovechkin. each picking their teams for a charity match on wed and stay the game being hosted for the second straight year proceeds will go to the stable children in the moscow region time i'll certainly have a son presidential it's our colleague for instrumental in bringing the mission to life and he'll also be nice if he's straight if any malkan public that shoot down the roofs off the greens gallery just some of the names on the star list sure to be our revenge after losing the game last year. alex and i

believe in doing good deeds because we have lots of children in this country who need to hound this year's match to future two periods of thirty minutes each and the crew who get to see the nearest stars from outside to hawkie world as well. we want to help the kids because i think it's on grateful to be in a position to help others and not give back as far as the match we want to win unlike last year we should be able to find a way to take victory as well have done these are reports of another suit not for us. let's switch to golf for thomas bjorn held his nerve in scotland to secure the johnnie walker championship crown the danish veteran fending off the competition in a five hold playoff for a twelfth european tour when you're in finishing the day on three under sixty nine mark foster george kotsay byrne why is burger a problem. which meant five extra holes bjorn but he kept swinging away as he watched weissberg ball drop out of contention on the first and second hole

respectively foster exit next on hold for going closing in on its after kotsay missed birdie shots the forty year old the securing his second win of the season after also finishing fourth. and moto g.p. casey stoner was finally able to conquer the brickyard circuit at the indianapolis trumpery the extreme racing to a seventh win of the season after failing to reach the podium during his two previous outings in indy stoner when he was on pole for the race but it was dummy to do so who got off to one of his trademark start stealing the lead in the twenty five year old stick on his honda stablemates trail passing responded on the seven to do some intending that second position fending off yamaha rivals ben spies and forget lorenzo underwriters have now won three straight races held on the american tar which stoner earning his third win in a ruthless well is lead over reigning champion. three seems to forty four it's.

finally winter sports men are busy preparing for the new season including players of one of the most popular games in russia bundy but like the us it may be here every means overshadowed globally by more stoppage sports riches from port fleet to the story. if you ask anyone outside of russia or scandinavia what is bandy a vast majority wouldn't have a clue however the game is very simple it's just like field hockey played on ice that may not be as big as football and ice hockey the bandys still has a strong following in russia and sweden and one of the biggest stars around is mikhail's fish and of there's a household name in both these nations has been a big week for the russian canton as he rejoined his beloved deny my must go column to spare them the swedish league. and i believe it is more fun to watch bandy in russia as the game is a lot quicker and there is more emphasis on attack in sweden the game is more tactically based and is more defensively orientated though they are very good at

this is big business in russia where the sport is played professionally crowds for international matches can be upwards of thirty thousand players can expect to earn over one hundred thousand dollars a year whereas in sweden a monthly salary is in the region of just two to three thousand euros meaning many of the players have to take up second jobs you know the standard of bandy is increasing all the time the increase in salaries also helps but there are a number of other factors which are making the sport better and more and more popular in the likes of russia in sweden there are a number of factors limiting the development of bandy firstly it's not the olympic sport which means it difficult for associations in countries where the sport isn't as popular to get state funding also of it's a very fast and exciting game to watch when understands the sheer speed of the game isn't suit t.v. as before can be difficult to see as can sometimes be the case in field hockey at

the most we need to try to spread the game more globally and play tournament's in countries where the game isn't as developed or the big championships take place in russia and sweden we should try to play more in countries like finland norway and even in north america people read about the game in magazines. however it's only when they see on t.v. that they can understand what the sport is all about because it's got ice palace is one of the top bounty stadiums around the world and watching indoors can be of great benefit in the winter when temperatures outdoors dropped as well as minus thirteen however for hard fans of sports in russia and sweden both teams such cold is able to put them all fifth favorite pastime which is don't see moscow there really is a great game live bonding a lot it's all the sport for whether it's coming up in just the.

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how the libyan rebels just smiles to colonel gadhafi his offer of talks people in tripoli stronghold to bring their lives back to normal following last week's fierce finding. bloodshed in syria continues despite promises of press reforms are to go to see what's fuelling put on rest in one city torn apart by wild. and the ultimate retreat of russian company plans to open the first place hotel in just five years look at what exactly on earth and pleasure and go on still. and business also busy playing the world's financial markets pushed capital outflow to a five year high follows say foreign investors took almost five hundred million dollars out of russia and join us for more of that and other stories that are supported in .