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we're watching our to you live from moscow our top stories this monday water and food shortages bring libya to the brink of a humanitarian crisis as the opposition again says it will not negotiate with fugitive colonel gadhafi. and. more violence is reported in syria amid governments of tabs to implement reforms last fall of pollution from the country's long standing crisis becomes an apple of discord between russia and its western partners . and the e.u. calls a special meeting of the blocs top level financial officials to resolve growing differences on how to hold this cat from qasem sweeping them long. and now back to
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libya in the wake of the rebel success and gaining control of most of the country there's been a lot of debate regarding nato its role in it i am asked the british m.p. who oppose the intervention in libya about the role western powers should now play in shaping the country's future. today i'm talking to barry gardener who's a labor member of parliament and one of the very few m.p.'s to a very against the intervention in libya mr gardiner thanks for talking to r.t. today now we see that the rebels if we can still call them that have practically taken tripoli and that exactly looks like he's lost the fight have you changed your mind about the libyan intervention point is the legitimacy of it and that's what i read in the beginning and i think most people would agree that it was right to intervene on humanitarian grounds to save the people of benghazi that was never the
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su this it was all whether nato should then become involved as effectively the strikeforce for the rebel corps and that's what it's been and that of course was in my view way beyond the grief that the united nations had given and it was wrong not that this should have been about regime change a civil war in libya is something for them it's not something for the rest of the world to intervene how do you wish it could have been different then what would you have done if you'd been in charge i think we should have seen these we should have seen an intervention by the forces that went in to stop that attack on benghazi. gadhafi and to make sure that he then did not conduct any aggressive sorties as he had previously been doing but not that they should then become the air on the strike force for the rebels david cameron said a few days ago that nato would lend support in libya for as long as civilians need
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protecting what was your reaction to that is that open ended commitment is it sounds. it was very clear in the original un resolution it was very clear our prime minister spoke in parliament here that there would be no. occupation force that would be totally wrong one of the things that troubled new york was this ambivalence as to whether there should be troops on the ground and of course that wasn't expressly prohibited by the resolution but but it was something that i think all of us were very concerned about. what we saw as the rebels were going into tripoli the other day certainly on the radio programs that were broadcast in the u.k. we would go left go left go left these instructions being yelled
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out by what were obviously british soldiers british personnel who were leading battered vons group now that i think is where we've overstepped the line there's also now talk of putting peacekeeping forces on the ground in libya i seen that something you were. decimated country with no structures maintaining order now is that not the only way i don't believe it is i don't believe it's right that we should be staying there effectively to establish the new regime that's that's not what this was originally but it was about humanitarian protection well let me be clear i'm very pleased to see the back of. a very evil dictator the situation is in front of the international criminal court better. and i'm very glad that his days are now at an end. i wish the regime well but i think it's important that they
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establish their regime that they prove to the international community that they have the capacity not to tear themselves into different factions and to libya as a strong unified government but that's their responsibility you supported the invasion of iraq back in two thousand and. three why is there a difference it's very different. the invasion of iraq was because. saddam hussein had refused to reveal as he was obliged to under attack to seven of the united nations resolution whether or not he had got rid of holds to clear chemical. biological weapons that he knew he had previously embarked upon he refused to. even as late as every hans blix was saying we do not know whether he still has these he listed a whole load of v.x. nerve gas mustard gas different agents chemical agents so we didn't know and he was
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not willing to allow. other countries to come to interview the scientists to see the audit trails to know whether he got rid of them or not in that situation it would have been ludicrous to have had a million strong army that was on the doorstep of iraq simply go away when the resolution fourteen forty one had given iraq given him a final opportunity to comply with his obligations how the world done that then what would have happened if he would have simply rebuilt those programs with impunity knowing that he was absolutely untouchable and the world would not do anything against him we would have then been precipitated to a far more major conflict and to them in the middle east between iran and iraq with devastating consequences destruction of the world's oil supplies it was a terrible situation and it was right that we took action that we did not the fact
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that the united nations didn't sanction it in terms of a second resolution does not change the fact that fourteen forty one said it was final opportunity for him to comply now i'm a parent i have children i know that if i tell my children please come and do the washing up and they can do it and i said look i've told. once already please cover up if you have twelve years of that which is what we had with set up and saying and you then come to the point where you say this is your final chance and he still does not comply then it's important that you take the ultimate sanction after what about what happened afterwards there in both iraq and afghanistan the real violence began after the dictatorships were toppled do you see that happening in libya i think there is a danger of that and what you saw was certainly in iraq was a complete failure of the occupying powers and then to stabilize the situation and
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they let the the iraqi army keep their weapons but they disbanded the army they said you must go back to your villages you can keep their weapons this was insanity absolutely insanity and we must not be in a position where what we've done is created greater instability in libya that is absolutely clear. but nonetheless equally must avoid is becoming an occupation force i think again this time is a very good example russia has very little experience of a camera stand as does britain of being an occupying power and you start off being a friend of someone and you end up being hated by everyone not the pine forests is a very dangerous place to be and you should get out as quickly as you can what's the middle way that some would argue that nato is stepping in has made this situation worse is it not then they say its responsibility to stay and clear up that you pose the question that really is how do you get to where you want to do to
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be and of course the answer is well i wouldn't have started from here but you're right we're now in this situation and therefore what we have to do is to ensure that we provide support for stability without our cells being that stabilizing. military force it must not be that the new government relies on the military of britain and nato in order to maintain power they must be able to do that on their own we can give advice we can give help to help them stabilize the situation but we must not assume responsibility ourselves governments and if if fact lessons were learned from what happened in iraq given the way that this conflict has been conducted do you believe that it's always a danger for every government to my view and every army to be fighting the last war. what you do is you learn lessons from one
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conflict which you then take on to the next but usually what you forget is that the context of the situation is different the next time and therefore the lessons that you've learned from the previous experience may not be appropriate in the conflict that you are now fighting you mentioned the factions inside the national transitional council we now know that some of those factions are religious groups who hope to establish an islamic state in libya what will the attitude to that b.d. thing with from nato and from the libyans themselves will they get a voice in this new democracy well it's not for nato or for the else to allow but it's for the people of libya to decide what they want to do it's for them to decide their own future. in this country and. all across the world people have to learn to live. with the fact that we have
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different religious views different ethical views and nonetheless we have to live together we have to spine some means of sharing a society sharing the country and making it work for all of us i believe the people of libya are no less capable of doing that than the people who are. for the people of the united kingdom do you think that ultimately nature is it's a faction will cause more trouble in the middle east a region that is after all already deeply unstable no i think the most serious i think if nato space is there as an occupation force but i don't think that is going to happen and i think the really troubling conflict seen in the middle east at the moment talk within syria i think if you look at bahrain and the way in which saudi arabia went into bahrain to prop up the oligarchy there against the wishes of the people these are the flashpoints in the middle east that still have not first asunder and that is going to happen. once people have scented
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revolution once they have seen that freedom and a better life is possible i don't think they will go back on the yoke of the prosy very god no thank you very much. nearly a million people in the world are going to come free and free. in the united states even our trash cans are food the food you just have to go get it all of these perfectly good eggs because one was cracked in even get all over the other ones just thrown away my shoes from the german oh you know we really like to set up a fire. in the dumpster at one am this morning three pm
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a scepter noon on the grill. one dozen times tr. delicious breakfast for the family ate some toast for about a week every year in america we throw away ninety six billion pounds of. this is nature and discover is abusing. communicate with the why don't we. test yourself and become free and. see what nature can give you. i got out of the military in ninety sixty six i got over because it's the same so i
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saw the things i was doing and this reason he said we were given for doing and there was a personal protest. during the vietnam war a nation war movement emerged that alter the course of history this movement didn't take place on college campuses but in berets and on ships penetrated elite military colleges like west point and spread throughout the battlefields of vietnam it today few people know about the g.i. movement against the war in vietnam. ask the army we always said free the army or fun travel and adventure but it really meant the army. in the united kingdom is available in the house bill and the forty one hotel the old waverly hotel they can hold certain of the mill stone hotel some of the old country house full of a in the pool the old guild mattel's the rim bronze the
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crimson the chesterfield the most acute hotels the world full the rueben search no . water and food shortages bring libya to the brink of a humanitarian crisis and the opposition against it will not negotiate with a fugitive. more violence is reported syria made government time thing. implement reforms that's all institutions in the country's long standing crisis becomes an anthem of discord three in russia and its western partners. and the e.u. called a special meeting of the blocs top level financial officials to resolve the growing differences on how to halt that contagion of this we've been dumped on and all the latest from the world of sports is next with the question.
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thanks and he's there watching these spores mylan r.t.l. headlines fast spoils shad moscow's most fiery football dobby ends up all square agadoo in smart and says scott. final contributions basketball school for the foster approaching european championships in the third any is announced. and also raises last almost a year on wins a marathon five man playoff to claim the johnny walker championship at gleneagles. golf with sunday saw a crack all the most in the russian prime elite spartak hosting the leading says scott evolution of the stadium start up went into the glass following a disappointing exit from the euro cups last week but it was their other whites who seized the initiative fried before the break while it's on heading home made the come borrow scroll shop but since god tried back into its after the break mold the
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greatest all depending from host spartak alone so you do be out to take full advantage. and one will become to sixty nine minutes and against partick looking less than inspirational at the bags are on the mound this time finding the nets is however the following strike the goal of the whole weekend probably would guarantees far but at least appliance n l n n e t a let's sing report to you all with a beautiful output and that's the way it would stay between the seats it rivals. the school line meaning says can have company of the summit for the first time in months as in the joining the army battle top following a five meals rushing all have secrets not darker i like somebody gets up or helping himself to brace before the hall full of all king st petersburg to do what from donnie the final eleven minutes will bend into a goal fest get a chuckle claiming he. patrick from the battle to spa before a brilliant volley from m one should all go from
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a dude who until five minutes from time the icing on the cake only could see a delightful chip making its win them but for you on the chart wasn't. elsewhere see the denominator of the pressure on those leading to you all to sing off spartak knowledge to nail the almost who was looking mighty of also want to gain. of being leapfrogged sound at seoul's fourth place will be wanting a win at home to create a bit of. now smiles all across a man just on sunday after both the red and blue halls of the city erects of cricket schools online the english premier league result of the day undoubtedly occurring at old trafford where man united handed also know there have is that people in eighty four years don't adjust your screen the score is quite right eighty two how it wayne rooney never again had tricky absolute demolition job there and then jacko meanwhile held himself to full goals as much the six zero now five
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one win as a way to pointless spurs united and saves you both top of the table with maximum points off their three games wins also on the day for stoke and think also. now the spanish primarily good season kicked off this week and champions barcelona are in action later today against really arreola and they are already playing catch up second favorites for the spanish title real madrid hitting so of course a full six on sunday goal number one simplicity itself most of all is wilting up christian or an all that opens the scoring twenty four minutes and marcello would find that minutes late so with number three arriving off to the alamo covey alone still the man found during home from outside the area. by the time rinaldo had method his second and reels fooled it was much too easy for the visitors this time taking full advantage of the space in front of these articles a goal. five nil to his effort to have trickled julie arrive for a no go then the easiest of tappings for the most expensive of blocking the well so
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six nail the final story also a story firstly grounding for all still flaws. meanwhile david clarke named his final russian school for the ex-wife eleven european basketball championships before they headed off a wednesday stoneman stop in lithuania and the stars to my famous golf and on the take him car expected to add to the team they'll have some new team mates. a small forward this email thought of has been given an inaugural call up while you can use water enough is surprisingly absent it's a sky shooting god left out by blood despite having a solid outing out there while finals last year the country's best warming up here against and the tank museum sparked up a commission of weights in the ukraine on the face of festival dust. meanwhile to russia's best hockey play as a side to face off against each other for a noble cause that exam going to be. big but it seems for a charity match on wednesday again being hosted for the second straight and
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proceeds will go to disabled children and the whole school region town of said you . presidential aide out of the water for which instrumental in bringing this initiative to life and he'll be only saying up this case as well you gain your malkan pavol that so i don't see models are found in the uk as gallup just some of the names on the all star latest a total of thirty five players is limited but seem as if it is no good school to build a king to get one back from a year ago. i believe in doing this because we have a lot of children in this country who need our howard kurtz this year's match from a few to two periods of thirty minutes and you can even get to see the nearest stars from my side as well it's a pleasure to want to help because because i think it's on grateful to be in a position to help others and not give back as far as the match we want to win them like last year we should be able to find
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a way to take the big three as we'll have more also needs the report. and other suitors for us. switching to golf now it's almost bjorn how to secure the johnnie walker championship title the dennis rodman fending off the competition and if i will blow for his twelfth european to victory you're on finishing the day on three on the sixty nine side with borstar george. w. trance cause extra holes and kept swinging away as he watched was big ball drop out of contention on the first and second respectively for the next on hold on go full with your clothes went out after that said mr birdie chance the forty year old securing his second with the season he also finished for the british open this year . now and move the g.p. cases though it was finally able to conquer the break here at circuit indianapolis grand prix the australian racing to his seventh win all the season after failing to
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make the podium during his two previous attempts in the indy stoner own poll for the race but it was dani pedrosa who got off to one of these trademark false starts stealing believes stoner stayed calm though eventually passing his honda teammate on the seventh and also maintained that second for that position as you arrive spies and or yellow round so so what arrived as of now won three straight races held on american soil with stone or any of his third consecutive victory his lead the reigning champ in the run so now in praising to forty four points overall. and that the russians would be finally where nineteen goals have been schooled in the premier league over the weekend in case you missed any of those heroes our weekly goals galore. such a. well you look at. the lead. lives and live
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