it's been called america's most segregated city and now those tensions are turning into violence so is the economy to blame for this trouble in milwaukee wisconsin and where is the mainstream media when you need it. i wanted to write what i remembered about these events while mr cheney it seems your recollection very different than everyone else's at least when talking about the war on terror so with the bush administration's a trilogy of memoirs on different pages whose version of history vocal world remember. that we are protected by law which allows us to live according to our customs is the brutal started a lot has changed and it's not the change people in syria are looking for so after years of religious acceptance and serious political unrest paving the way for

religious intolerance. play there it's tuesday august thirtieth four pm in washington d.c. i'm christine for is out and you're watching our team. i want to start off today sort of by taking a bird's eye view of america how does this country look from the outside and what's the pulse of the nation these days there are of course a number of factors to consider but let's look first at president obama's approval rating for the third week in a row it's at the lowest in his presidency if you take a look you can see it's at forty percent but this also includes a two day low of thirty eight percent during a couple days last week that is the lowest since he took office now the economy of course the primary concern for people from both parties and in many cities across america the struggle is manifesting itself in the form. extreme violence especially

for young people who feel they have no prospects for jobs or otherwise in the future and one of those cities is milwaukee wisconsin where earlier this month there was mass violence in the form of riots and you're looking here at cell phone video taken at the wisconsin state fair earlier this month and was in milwaukee county and according to several nine one one calls a witnesses hundreds maybe even thousands of young people were attacking white people on the streets one of the call came from someone saying his mother had been to tact others who said they were pulled from their cars or off their motorcycles and i don't know about you but i don't really see much coverage of this race riots in a major city the news on major networks seems more often the look something like this nancy grace will reportedly be competing on the new season of dumb thing with the stars let's talk about the drafts or should i say dresses we don't expect them to

try and she made that announcement at the video music awards. all right so what's the deal here why are problems like this still happening local milwaukee officials there's some no one here fishel that thay something needs to change and one of them is joining us now for more his name is bob donovan he is the alderman of the eighth district of milwaukee has evolved let's start our guy i just want you to talk a little bit about race in your city according to the u.s. census no longer he is the number one most segregated city in america paint a picture for us of what this actually means how it looks and how it has led to problems. well christine with all of the overboard here has been labeled and continues to be your be yours a segregated community i think gets changing to some extent but certainly when you

look at the city of milwaukee compare it with its suburbs which are largely white the suburbs malarky is segregated we're seeing a greater movement toward other parts of the city book more and more it's becoming a minority community couple that would be a huge problem and black neal conan employment in milwaukee center city some placing it ad close to fifty percent that has its problems that unfortunately there are a power tool when the individuals in milwaukee who are chosen to ignore it so when you're. okies when you have fifty percent of any kind of population unemployed i can certainly lead to a host of problems i'm wondering now i mean is this the play is that if people visit milwaukee is this a place where you see you know interracial couples walking in the street or is it

simply kept cell separate that people don't even acknowledge each other oh you certainly see a racial couples and i mean i you know i wouldn't one of the people it sure that isn't realistic but walking is a good city we have agree pound we have many greed amenities having said that we've got some problems i could certainly use in a racial couples and you know all those hyper segregated these. are long gone or we're seeing a significant numbers of blacks broke the city and who are jerks hispanic population what is a very very impersonal beauty but i've got to say about i mean this was really surprising to me to hear about hundreds of young black people mostly guys. consciously attacking people inside and outside of the state fair a few weeks ago one of the calls i heard was from somebody calling in saying

there's a black on white fight in the middle of the street where does this sound from well you know that's a good question i'm simply saying we need to first admit we've got this problem and it because ward community was really it was a wake up call what a current student perceiving time it will tell you these problems here are going on and it morkie i believe for the reason there is an effort to keep some more people under wraps. and back concerns me but we largely. many elected officials in the war he who choose to ignore this because it's such a bold top issue i'm simply saying you have come out with a ten point plan to try to be geared to address the problem first by admitting a problem exists and then taking steps to address it i think that's a really interesting point i know that you have said this before that when it comes

especially to race and youth violence a lot of people simply throw their hands in the air like you say they choose to ignore it they don't want to talk about it and they certainly don't want to think outside the box when it comes to dealing with it. i want to hear about some of your plans in a second but just in terms of people kind of choosing to avoid it in making this sort of the elephant in the room what have you encountered. well quite frankly where you have a very good scrutiny with my opinion is in denial indicating as bizarre as it may sound that what occurred at state for was not racial well it's absurd it was and we we as a community need to come together and it meant there and then. work together and bashing a plan to deal with it but one that's coming from the mirror it becomes very difficult to work to be given to galvanize the community and when you've got the number one

leader saying no nothing to see here not there certainly not as the mayor as well i know that when i've been reading about this kind of been looking for something from the police department there in milwaukee and it's just seems to be a series of no comments we're not talking about it right now when the mayor and the police are not addressing this problem how is there any hope of it being fixed. well you're right although i will say this i think there is support you're going to see some leadership coming from some other segments in milwaukee and it's about time i've had some very productive meetings with other individuals rope the community that are indeed were willing to stand up and see it we've got some problems let's explore how we can work together to solve them and unfortunately when you're dealing with politics we have been part of many individuals and in this

community who wait to see which way the parade is headed and then run to the front to lead it well so be it but some of us are going to take the bull by the horns and do what we can do it for us this problem sadly bob that's not just happening and no walking in terms of people going whichever the wind blows whichever way the wind blows on talk to me a little bit about now we don't have time for all ten of your points but just one or two things that you think could really change the tide there. well i'm hoping three things right off the bat number one we seriously need to look at our juvenile justice system i think it's our own deeded and is that nearly a thrusting the reality of growing up in urban environment this theory and so number one we need some significant changes that improvements to the jew who killed dozens of them secondly i'm hoping to what's critical in my estimation is to go

people who are are on the beds are facing real challenges be taken over to be environment as cop cars into those problems gotten into boarding schools even to the point though of resurrecting orphanages if necessary to provide a more stable environment every kid deserves to grow up in a safe secure nurturing environment and for a variety of reasons that is simply not occurring here in milwaukee and i might add in many many other large urban centers throughout america but i've got ask you i mean you've said it changing the juvenile justice system that's a process that could cost millions of dollars and millions of dollars that most cities and states don't have right now you've talked about taking children out of their homes i mean i don't think that's really going to fly with a lot of people whether or not you think their parents are doing

a good job of raising them you know some of these kids live with their parents and plucking them from those environments just seems like a hard idea to sell. well i and you're right they don't necessarily advocating that at the same kyra we've done a lot of kids in the foster care program that is largely a broken system i say of we're able to take some a pound into a boarding school environment or an orphanage i'm certainly not advocating keeping kids from good families yet we will also see this there are a significant were families will admit they care and handle the burdens. that their children are presenting and i got if we need to we need to operate those kids something better at the same time regarding the juvenile justice system regarding. your prodigious regurgitating of boarding schools this state is community because

federal government spends of fortune of money engaged here in the. correctional systems of education i'm not necessarily advocating spending more but let's really interact the monies we're already spending in twos so much. pilot projects that could indeed make a difference you have mentioned christine before they can go outside the box we can't be afraid to do that we've got some serious problems and we need to be given the start they can go outside the box because the status quo isn't getting to job done my last question for you bob and these are all really interesting ideas certainly on to think about early sense and consider for the long term but what about the short term i know i just in about a few days a protest is planned from his milwaukee wisconsin it's called in the in defense of

white america protests this is a neo nazi group the national socialist movement they're planning that and you know they're saying it's going to be peaceful but how are city leaders that going to prepare for something like that. well yeah this is a currying. suburb of walky but i know a bit of walking police will be involved there will definitely be another police presence presence at the end of bad so unfortunately. you know we live in a society where you have individuals who simply. drive on your heath that some fortunate. will be given an opportunity with freedom of speech to see the garbage they're going to say. there will be a significant police presence here and certainly we're all hoping that it does remain peaceful but beyond that first and poor horse it's. objective of government or it needs to be number one to ensure of an arse citizens are kept safe and i have

a law that says that simply by virtue of the disorder and the pains we're seeing here in milwaukee we do need a greater police presence we need to fill a one hundred fifty please speak unseen is dead exists and we need to find the money to do that and provided there's still. so that our piece of people in milwaukee can feel safe in every neighborhood would be city well nice to hear that you're speaking out about all this when it sounds like a lot of people are not we do appreciate you speaking out to us now as alderman of the eighth district of milwaukee bob donovan. all right well let's talk now about the way america will be perceived in the future try to somewhat pivotal time when we're starting to have the gift of perspective when it comes to some pretty significant events in recent history certainly in my lifetime and in a lot of yours we're coming upon the ten year anniversary of the terrorist attacks of nine eleven and just how the six year anniversary of hurricane katrina and we

have some perspective about the way that of the wars that were involved in the way they got started and in the last year or so this is interesting some of the key players in all of those events have come out with books their versions of history as it unfolded well here's the problem much of those so-called historic accounts are at odds with one another i want to bring up a few different examples and have a discussion that centers around this question how can we make it so our society is one that promotes truth and accuracy above all else all former cia analyst ray mcgovern is here in our studio ray thanks so much for being here probably no big surprise i want to start with dick cheney's book it came out today this is the book called in my time where among other things cheney makes no apologies it seems and he talks about how the starting the war in iraq getting involved in that war was justified he describes going hunnam over a as

a you know safe secure and humane facility you know i don't lot of things he writes about even disagree with you know what his boss george w. bush came out with in his memoir talk a little bit about the impact of these historic coal. not books coming out by these high powered people. well they're totally self-serving of course surprise surprise and the worst thing is that there are very few people who put that into context into perspective. dick cheney was a woman from early responsible for starting with war or for a real war of aggression turned very fine about the course of the supreme international crime differing from the war crimes only and so for as it continues to make a movie and it will go to the whole ok if you believe in evil whatever you want to torture to be kidnapping people to put into a black holes with pretty words and children which was a record so that's what the world progression on leash where we get the most likely

to go eavesdropping ohl kinds of stuff mostly at the behest of dick cheney there was nobody to stand up to him but he doesn't seem to be you know denying his significant role in starting any of these things the reason for that is that our current president has chickened out and second on one side and what sentences from the look ahead when. it's as though you know somebody sort of can use the sort of million voters ok and he said well you know if it happened in the past we're just going to look ahead as a total total void and sort of criminal war and they should not be allowed and see it's not yours i mean it was so obvious i would think cheney did was visit cia headquarters regularly and i wanted to ask them to penetrate for a television so many times you know like between man or woman and the attack on iraq how many times you go there and you say well it was about somewhat between

five and eight. they don't it's about how many times the price of bread now people so you said unusual for the first president to visit he said it's a nice name that's unprecedented oh wow i served with twenty seven years never once the president come and visit us to help us with our analysis giving a very if we thought he needed help we would come down to him so he was there at least five people said multiple times and each was to get those units and to his discredit to which george tenet p.c. and i don't mean politically correct i mean pain during the. craven he thought his job was to. use the president as the whim of the present to start a war and so george tenet but at the behest of dick cheney served for the senate intelligence committee later called intelligence that was uncorroborated contradicted and sometimes not existing now that's not existed and thousands look

like it's the intelligence that came from dick cheney and he got a sense of trouble deep would be middle east and they've been saying just staying on dick cheney for us for one more question it's not just the book that that's going on here it dick cheney is now making the rounds i think mostly on n.b.c. it seems like he's defending his book promoting it and i want to take a look at just a piece of an interview he did this morning with n.b.c.'s matt lauer on this next hour and given the fact that it severely damaged our reputation around the world and there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction you still think it's worth it and i'm sure i don't. think to damage her reputation around the world i just don't believe that i think the man and the critics are at home or are you there but in fact i think it was sound policy and the very serious problem and that he limited saddam hussein from. from kind of probably present before. so dick cheney doesn't believe that this impacted our reputation those who are why

do statements like this what impact a statement like this half way through the degree they're not contradictory and that's why we're going to what he said after that for you know when he was interviewing interviewing cheney's goss bush and so. you still think torture was right and bush said oh my lawyers said it was all right and lower left it at that you know so you have to challenge these people when i challenged them armstrong and public you know when i was there i was called immediately by a very high person and c.n.n. saying weren't you free and i said. you're asking me if i would say i actually was a real hard you know you might want to do your homework good question a real question and sperms for the real question you find it's real high something . interesting i want to talk now about another book that's getting ready to come out this one written by a former f.b.i. agent ali soufan who's having a different sort of problem his memoir it's called the police banners the inside

story of nine eleven and the war against al qaeda he lays out some significant information that no one is disputing the accuracy of instead and said the cia is demanding about a large portion of the book they cut they're saying that a lot of the information here is classified but the author is saying not only is it not classified it's available for anyone that looks for it to talk about this very different problem about truth being kept out of the public line or mostly all purchased by the question what is truth here and agency has its own. group of events here and they contend that these enhanced interrogation techniques which are really torture right now is to fund those anybody overseas that we didn't metaphorically were coming productive to get really good at any information that would be so specs it was through the traditional interrogation techniques which are to develop a rapport give a person some people believe that he can confide those of information and you know

the head of the head of army intelligence at the time said you know no good intelligence and so we're going it's called for harsh interrogation techniques the past shows that in the last five years come a difficult years problem will also show that it was the head of army intelligence so you have army you have the f.b.i. and you have cia in the middle but unfortunately there's a position of being able to question of the supervision of when somebody in the white house summons up the courage to say look this is ridiculous you're going to fund those with the sky. as i was probably our show's a good student has been in the past and has work for professionals as a real professional you guys were hurt as were contractors and were hired to do the job and you did it in the reasonable way you tortured water boarded. if you return home you agree with that name you know what you were an analyst for the cia

for many years i am always this for me some of those that we're seeing coming out in these books from rumsfeld to george bush to dick cheney and these mistakes or looking back regarding iraq regarding afghanistan how do these different versions of history kind of play into what's going on now in libya in syria how do these different versions of fact the decisions that will that have been made since and will be made in the future it's a really good question would be for it to correctly ok take libya you know let me put it this way if libya's mean export were moans. instead of oiled paper you know chance would be in there who's responsible for for that it's the french just as they were responsible for the sewers and the fucking of the sewers back to the ok what they need is the very pure boil of the thing from would be to use the same area and so the british the french immigrants came to bush and bush there are lots

of words of what's the difference came to obama so can you help us if we were you know i don't want to get involved in a ground the but yeah you can have all my bobs are my business and my cruise missiles and stuff so billions of dollars are going to that enterprise and should be going to the schools and the courthouses into the of the civil structures in this country it's very very interesting so you think that that there is and will be considered will continue to be i direct relation between some of that intelligence that's sort of being spun in some different directions and terms of the future i mean how do we stop that well you know we have this constitution you know. more than how the constitution used to have you know the favored george bush quote in just a piece of paper but if not i swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the constitution and so did those people so did president obama that constitution are not to be to the people but eventually representatives of the house of representatives the saw prerogative that the clear

war came president can't can't make war without the congress that's what used to so it was not a war we just brought me here we just were defending civilians would reality not holy war civilians interest for me so we have here is a typical world war two will acquire or take control over the natural resources which of course in this case will go towards port and partial if it afghanistan or iraq and now syria this sort of about syria we're also incredibly strategic part of the world we want to be their own boss including people permanent military bases and why. most of the world because of the nature of because people say afghanistan good in the sense will look more if you have cared to share it meant islam has more as has natural gas and for british the worst of war all we know with iraq you would produce you get here from there so the tradable the pipe going through initially talking to those choices or who you. want very interesting

perspective as always because you appreciate you weighing in giving us that unique insight former cia analyst fran mcgovern will quickly. want to take a deeper look now inside syria earlier this month president obama and several other leaders called for syrian president bashar al assad to step down as islands there continues just today another six anti-government protesters were killed while process often start out in the name of politics or wanting a new regime they're starting to evolve into so much more according to r.t. course ironical show she's in damascus and has this report. protests in syria start out with political slogans. and violence breaks out people come to blows over issues of faith not politics. but more than four thousand years of history damascus like the rest of syria has been home to multiple faith for centuries but with an increasing call the gun rests many are starting to wonder

whether this could upset the delicate balance of religious tolerance in the country for now who is enjoying the quiet comfort of her hold like most christians in the country it's a life she's been used to since her childhood but i was growing up in a place with christians jews muslims and everyone got along just fine we still do actually but it's not like this everywhere more than seventy percent of syrian population are muslim and just like christians most muslims here belong to different branches of the religion take for example the president himself bashar al assad is a follower of the al with branch or islam who are a minority among a predominantly sunni population so some of those dissatisfied with the current regime spread there in a more city towards all of its if someone a problem with the government. some people believe this because of this belong with the stick and we have the slogan is sick and this can be

a bloody battle over them you don't know why my son was killed he was just working in a shop and his killers knew that he was not politically active but he also knew he was an alawite and that must have been the reason for his murder so she violence is something that's new to syria where religious minorities have a special status largely because the country's leader is himself a member of such well we are protected by law which allows us to live according to our customs since the protests started a lot has changed and it's strange for us it must be coming from the outside and. whoever is rocking the boat to see really great is tolerance we aren't reaching their goal just yet the building attitude on the streets is still bad of acceptance but if political unrest worsens the lives of many religious minorities in syria could be at stake even if. the muskets. and coming up in our next half hour here on r t a slick battle is brewing in front of the white house

right down the street on one side and viral mental activists. harmful to our environment and if different initiatives are put into place you know. we could employ a lot of people very quickly doing doing clean technology and green technology jobs instead of instead of. putting it's paying the economic development into something that's such a risk for multiple states across america well on the other side of that argument the obama administration and its future decision regarding the planned seven billion dollar keystone x.l. oil pipeline. hundreds of environmentalists have been arrested for their demonstration against the proposed pipeline in front of the white house they've been asking obama what he'll do to stand up against big oil but with china's slick moves to get in on the deal is this an investment the u.s. can't risk losing we'll hear from daphne wash a fellow at the instant.