last year we voted for four hundred million barrels of oil the saudi arabia we will to stage it doesn't allow women to drive so don't america's oil independence then whine to the great white north well that's appends on who you are cuz it's a sticky situation we'll debate the inevitable x.l. pipeline and canada's tar sands. and it's been called america's most segregated city and now those tensions are turning into violence so is the economy to blame for this trouble in milwaukee wisconsin and where is the mainstream media when you need it. i wanted to write what i remembered about president well mr cheney it seems your recollection may be different than everyone else's place from talking

about the war on terror so with the bush administration's trilogy of memoirs on different pages whose version of history will the world remember. it's tuesday august thirtieth five pm in washington d.c. and christine for sound and watching our team starting off as our i want to talk about something that's been going on for the last several days just a few blocks from our studios outside of the white house every single day a group of protesters has been gathered outside speaking out against a proposed oil pipeline that appears to be in motion to be built it's called the keystone pipeline and would extend about seventeen hundred miles from alberta canada to the gulf coast in texas and would transport oil sands it's a seven billion dollars billion dollar project i'm going to parent we double oil and imports. canada now critics call this the dirtiest project on earth some saying

it's yet another example of big oil just getting what they want under ads including well known actors and scientists have been getting arrested protesting proponents including the white house say that this project would have minimal impact on the environment but if we don't build it someone else china well that's why she has a fellow at the institute for policy studies and has the major problems with this proposal and joins me now to talk about it let's talk first just in very simple terms some of the biggest issues you have with this tar sands project well as you mentioned it's highly polluting it's it would be like burning coal in your car the carbon intensity of tar sands it's not just that you're extracting this incredibly polluting tar from from the sandy soil of alberta north but it's the energy that's required to extract that bitch in them from the tar sands is

so great that you're essentially doubling your greenhouse gas emissions just by virtue of the fact that you have to produce so much energy to extract the energy combine that with all of the toxic by products of refining and extracting the oil from the sand largely on first nations territory and then transporting it across the ogallala aquifer in the united states to texas where it will then be exported likely to another country and it's essentially you know it's a resource that we should be securing for that. day when we may actually run out of oil we shouldn't be using these very scarce resources now in fact we should be shifting away from fossil fuels both in our interests of developing energy independence and in the interest of addressing the climate crisis i'll show you a recent ad that's come out that takes sort of a different position than you and so many others who have been protesting outside

the white house take a look. world a state that doesn't allow women to drive doesn't allow them to leave their homes or work without their middle guardians permission in the state where a woman's testimony only counts for a half of a man so why are we paying their bills and funding their oppression today there is a better way ethical oil from canada is or will sans ethical or will the choice we have to make. so what about this notion is that this is the ethical thing to do that we need to be weaned off of middle east oil so why not get it from canada a country that we get along with great out of the frying pan into the fires or so to speak i mean yes there are clearly problems with women's rights issues in a lot of the countries that have the largest reserves of oil and that's something that we should all be concerned about i find it ironic that this issue is now being raised when in fact native native canadians and first nations people have been

saying this is a very unethical project because it's killing not only the women but the children. all that all the first nations people that are downstream from this tours and project with extraordinary rates of cancers you have wildlife suffering as well and of course the ultimate consequence is all of us will suffer as as climate change spirals out of control i mean look at new york city was threatened by this very rare hurricane just last week you know hurricanes have been increasing in intensity and in frequency and when was the last time we had a hurricane that stretched up almost the entire east coast and sea level rises with climate change cities like new york are going to be even more threatened by hurricanes like irene regarding climate change i mean that is a global issue that's not something that you can you know control it based on various parts of the earth and clearly everyone has said that if we don't jump on board with this project that will apparently create thousands and thousands i think

are right twenty thousand jobs here in the united states. but china is just waiting in the wings to snap up this project instead if climate change is an argument how can you say that it will change anything if we don't do it someone else well well you know you know that's the same issue whether we're talking about coal or tar sands and yet time and time again in this country people have stood up and said in fact we've watched the planned construction of coal fired power plants actually be put on hold over the last few years as a result of popular resistance to coal fired power the united states needs to take a leadership position despite the fact that we haven't done so with the international level we need to lead by example if we expect china and other countries to follow our lead now let's face it you know that china would do the opposite of following our lead if we said no to this we'd not only turn down thousands of jobs we'd give them to a country that seems to be beating us elissa economically speaking well you know

china is let's let's step back from vilifying china because china has taken far more action in terms of addressing the climate crisis than the united states has while simultaneously trying to address the economic development needs of its population so whether it's a foregone conclusion that china will go in there if the united states really does take a strong position against this pipeline we'll just have to see how that plays out there are other ways of resisting the pipeline going through canada or maybe the canadian citizens want to take on that issue if they decide to build a pipeline through canada instead of through the united states but let's take it one step at a time and and really look at the ethical implications for all people involved in this and finally having i've just got to ask you and i know that you're certainly not alone and your opinion hundreds of already been arrested for this cause but you know frankly we're at a time when unemployment is more than nine percent the economy is still very bad

president obama's approval rating is low piers bigger fish to fry than this in. higher mental issue in this country why should people care about the tar sands when they're out of work when their employments going to run out and you know we do need to be talking about job creation and let's look at the numbers in terms of clean energy jobs in the amount of jobs good paying jobs that you could create for the long term not for the short term as would be the case with the tar sands because the tar sands will eventually run out what we need is a long term economic growth opportunity that's been put forward by the president and it really is in the hands of the president the state department has weighed in in favor of the e.p.a. has basically issued very strong criticisms of the tar sands project that really advances the economic development agenda that we all care about all right daphne why show a fellow at the institute for policy studies thanks so much for joining us and sharing that perspective. well i want to turn now to some other things going on in this country you know perhaps he was

a feel for the pulse of the nation these days there are of course a number of fact a number of factors to consider but i want to look i just mentioned president obama's approval rating for the third week in a row it is that it's lowest in his presidency you take a look you can see forty percent this includes a two day low of thirty eight percent during a couple days last week the economy of course of primary concern for people from both parties in many cities across america the struggle is manifesting itself in the form of extreme violence especially from young people who feel they have no prospects for jobs or otherwise in the future one of those cities is milwaukee wisconsin where earlier this month there was massive violence in the form of riot. you're looking now at cell phone video taken at the wisconsin state fair in milwaukee county court it was the nine one one calls that came in that night witnesses say hundreds maybe thousands of young black people were attacking people in the streets one call from someone saying his mother had been attacked some say

they were pulled from their cars or off their motorcycles i don't know about you but i really didn't think much coverage of this i mean these were race riots in a major city the news on major other and major networks mainstream media often seemed to look more like this nancy grace will reportedly be competing on the new season of dancing with the stars let's talk about the drafts or should i say dresses we are expecting a child and she made that announcement that the video music awards were all right so what's the deal here why are problems like this race right still happening to try to figure that out i spoke earlier to milwaukee's own alderman bald bob donovan he talked about how it is the most segregated fabricated city in america and i asked him to give me his thoughts on the issue of race in the walky and how it's led to some of these problems. well i think christine that with the adult the law

has been labeled and continues to be all the years of a segregated community i think that's changing to some extent but certainly when you look at the city and want to compare urban suburbs which are largely white the suburbs the large areas most definitely segregated we're seeing a greater movement toward other parts of the city but more and more it's becoming the minority community couple that would be a huge problem in the black meal of the employment in the walk in center city some placing it at close to fifty percent that has its problems that unfortunately there are far too many individuals in milwaukee who were chosen to ignore it so when you act all these when you have fifty percent of

any kind of population unemployed that can certainly lead to a host of problems i'm wondering though i mean is this a play if people visit now watching is this a place where you see you know interracial couples walking in the street or is it simply kept so separate that people don't even acknowledge each other oh you certainly see getting interracial couples and i mean i you know i want to paint the picture that isn't realistic malarky is a good steady we have a great downtown we have many great amenities i mean said that we've got some problems but certainly has interracial couples and you know those hyper segregated days. are long gone we're seeing a significant numbers of blacks broke the city and a large of disparate collation walkies a very very diverse community but i've got to say that i mean this is really surprising to me to hear about. hundreds of young black people mostly guys i.

consciously attacking people inside and outside of the state fair a few weeks ago one of the calls i heard was from somebody calling in saying there's a black on white fight in the middle of the street where does this sound from well you know that's a good question i'm simply saying we need to first admit we've got this problem and i think this whole community was really it was a wake up call what occurred at state here is at the same time i will tell you it is problems here or not in milwaukee i believe for whatever reason there is an urge to keep some of it under wraps. and that concerns me that we are julie. many elected officials and walking who choose to ignore this because it's such a volatile issue i'm simply saying you know come out with a ten point plan to try and get to address the problem first by admitting the

problem exists and then taking steps to address it i think that's a really interesting point i know that you have said this before that when it comes especially to race and youth violence a lot of people simply throw their hands in the air like you say they choose to ignore it they don't want to talk about it and they certainly don't want to think outside the box when it comes to dealing with that. i want to hear about some of your plans in a second but just in terms of people kind of choosing to avoid it in making this sort of the elephant in the room what have you encountered. well frankly we have a very close community with my opinion this just does not go indicating because our as it may sound that what occurred at state there was not racial well that's absurd it was that we as a community need to come together and. and then. work together in

bashing a plan to deal with it but with meds coming from the mayor it becomes very difficult to. to begin to galvanize the community and when you've got the number one leader saying no nothing to see here not there certainly not as the mayor as well i know that when i've been reading about this has been looking for something from the police department there in milwaukee and it just seems to be a series of no comments we're not talking about right now when the mayor and the police are not addressing this problem how is there any hope of it being fixed. well you're right although i will say this i think there are scores you're going to see some leadership coming from some other segments and malarkey and it's about time i've had some very productive meetings with other individuals who are open community that are indeed going to stand up and say hey we've got some problems

let's explore how we can work together to solve them and fortunately when you're dealing with politics we have been far too many individuals in this community who wait to see which way the parade is handed and then run to the front to lead it well so be it but some of us are going to take the bull by the horns and do what we can do it for us and scrubland sadly bob that's not just happening in milwaukee in terms of people knowing that some of the wind blows whichever way the wind blows talk me a little bit about now we don't have time for all ten of your points but just one or two things that you think could really change the tide there. well i'm moving three things so right off the bat number one we seriously need to look at our juvenile justice system i think it's far outdated and there's that nearly a thrust seeing the reality of growing up in an urban environment this way and so

number one we need some significant changes to the movements to the jew dozens of them secondly i'm hoping to what's critical in my estimation is that people who are are on the beds are facing real challenges taken out of the environment that is causing that those problems gotten into boarding schools even took the boy to of resurrecting orphanages if necessary to provide a more stable environment every kid is served to grow up in the same secure nurturing environment and for a variety of reasons that are simply not occurring here in milwaukee and i might add in many many other large urban centers throughout america god ask you i mean you've said it changing the juvenile justice system that's a process that could cost millions of dollars and millions of dollars that most

cities and states don't have right now you've talked about taking children out of their homes i mean i don't think that's really going to fly with a lot of people whether or not you think their parents are doing a good job of raising them you know some of these kids live with their parents and plucking them from those environments just seems like a hard idea to sell. well and you're right i don't necessarily advocating it that at the same time we've got a lot of kids in the boston care program that is largely a broken system i say of were able to take some of them into or the school environment or in order for their kids and certainly not advocating taking kids from good families yet but also say this there are a significant number of families will admit they chant handle the burdens of that their children are presenting i got if we need to we need to offer those kids

something better at the same and i regarding the juvenile justice system regarding . your finances regarding a boarding schools this state this community this bedroom government spends of origin of money in here in the. correctional systems and education i'm not necessarily advocating spending more but let's redirect the monies we're already spending into some so. pilot projects that could indeed make a difference you had mentioned christine before they can go to the box we chant be afraid to do that we've got some serious problems and we need to be the sort of thinking outside the box because the status quo isn't getting the job done and that was alderman of the eighth district in the wanky done time. well we're coming upon

the ten year anniversary of the terrorist attacks of nine eleven and when it comes to what led up to that and let's not all of some of the key players involved they're starting to come forward with their version of history as it unfolded during the last hour i spoke to former cia analyst ray mcgovern about that and in particular the in times of many of these versions of history clashing with one another. well they're totally self-serving of course surprise surprise and the worst thing is that there are very few people to put that into context and perspective. dick cheney was the one from early responsible for storing war or for real war of aggression. defined by of course it's the supreme international crime differing from other world crimes only and so for as it contains the accumulated evil with the whole case humiliating people were going to be without torture kidnapping would be putting people with black holes with code words with children

much worse with requests so that's what they were progression of beliefs would be a mystical illegal eavesdropping all kinds of stuff mostly at the behest of dick cheney there was nobody to stand up to him but he doesn't seem to be you know denying his significant role in starting many of these things the reason for that is that our current president has chickened out and speaking out on one side and what sentences from the look ahead when. it's as though you know something he's so key was sort of making burgers ok and then he said well you know if it happened in the past we're just going to look ahead this is a total total avoid some sort of criminal war and they should not be allowed to see it's not just i mean it was so obvious we pick cheney did was visit cia headquarters regularly now when they asked their you trip for intelligence how many times you know like between one of them and the attack on iraq how many times you

go there and she said well it was about someone between five and eight now they don't know records of how many times the place for you know people say something unusual for the president of the business so it's not it's not unusual that's unprecedented oh wow i served with the twenty seven years and never once did a person to come visit us to help us with our analysis complete break if if we. i mean you know we were compared to him so he was there at least five people see it multiple times and it was to be a pose it's and to his discredit church george tenet p.c. you know i don't mean politically correct i mean. you know that. you're craven he thought his job was to use the president's the whim of the president to start a war and so george tenet but the history of dick cheney served up at the senate intelligence committee later called intelligence that was uncorroborated country

take to the air and sometimes existing. what's not exist it's always been slow but that's the approaches that came from dick cheney had a sense of trouble deep within the middle east and they've been saying just staying on dick cheney for us for one more question it's not just the book that that's going on here it dick cheney is now making the rounds i think mostly on n.b.c. it seems like he's defending his book promoting it and i want to take a look at just a piece of an interview he did this morning with n.b.c.'s matt lauer on this day so given the fact that he had severely damaged our reputation around the world and there were no stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction you still think it's worth it you know sure i don't. think damage her reputation around the world i just believe i think you know the critics here at home are are you there but in fact i think it was sound policy to have very serious problems and that he limited saddam hussein from. a problem for. so dick cheney doesn't

believe that this impacts our reputation because a lot of our what do statements like this what impact a statement like this half go through degree they're not contradicting the medal i don't know what he said after that but you know when i was interviewing interviewing cheney's boss bush and said you still think torture was right and bush said oh my lawyers said it was all right and lower left it at that you know so you have to chop down trees people when i challenged them spoke in public but when i was i was called immediately by a very high person and c.n.n. saying aren't you free. and i said. you're asking me if i would say actually it was really hard you know you might want to do your homework good question a real question. is for a rude question you find it's a real high it's. interesting i want to talk now about another book that's getting

ready to come out this one written by a former f.b.i. agent ali soufan who's having a different sort of problem his memoir it's called the police manners the inside story of nine eleven and the war against al qaeda he was out some significant information that no one is disputing the accuracy of insead instead of the cia is demanding that a large portion of the book be cut they're saying that a lot of the information here is classified but the author is saying not only is it not classified it's available for anyone that looks for it to talk about this very different problem about truth being kept out of the public like what's your purchase problem person what is truth here the agency has its own group of events here and they contend that these enhanced interrogation techniques which were really torture were always from foreign knows better than anybody else that they didn't know the metaphysically were counterproductive to the degree to get any information over these suspects and it was through the interrogation techniques

which i did if i were a poor people person some simply to believe that he could confide in person information and you know the head of the i have already told you some time so that you know no good intelligence and so we're going to come from harsh interrogation techniques that pass shows that in the last five years before coming also show that that was the head of for me and told you and so you have you have the f.b.i. and cia in the middle well unfortunately in the position of being able to question supervision when somebody in the white house summons up the courage to say look this is ridiculous some fun knows what this. and it was part of our shows that were more good student goes in the past and says look for professionals are the real professional you guys were hacks no guys were contractors that you were hired to do the job and you did it really wrong way you thought you were a board. that are going to be three times give you

a very what does it mean. you were an analyst for the cia for many years i always this for me some of us that we're seeing coming out of these books from rumsfeld to george w. bush to dick cheney and these mistakes or looking back regarding iraq regarding afghanistan how do these different versions of history kind of play into what's going on now in libya in syria how do these different versions affect the decisions that will that have been made since and will be made in the future it's a really good question for you for it to correctly ok take libya now let me put it this way if libya's mean export were to moments instead of oil they paid no chance would be in there who's responsible for their rights the french just as they were responsible for the sewers you know from taking over the sewers back in fifty ok what they need is that you very pure oil because you're from would be the same

right and so the british the french and italians came to bush and bush there is a presence and words i would say the difference can put borders or can you help those who were you know i don't want to get around but yeah you can have all my bombs or missiles and my cruise missiles and stuff so billions of dollars are going to that price that should be going to the schools and the courthouse incidents of the civil structures of this country it's very very interesting so you think that that there is and will be contained will continue to be i direct relation between some of our intelligence that's sort of being spun in some different directions and terms of the future i mean how do we stop that well. you know we have this constitutional you know. more the not the constitution you used to have you know they say that george bush called it just a piece of paper but it's not and i swore a solemn oath to protect and defend the constitution and so did those people so did president obama and the constitution allots to be to the people i'm sure would be

representatives of the house of representatives and super i would have to declare war ok president can't can't make a war without the congress that's what he's done so well it's not a war we just bombing people here we just were defending civilians we're in reality and killing more civilians than this differently so we have here is a typical were to acquire or attain control over their natural resources which of course in this case whatever it's part and parcel left at afghanistan or iraq and now syria little bit syria will see incredibly strategic part of the world we want to be their own boss including put a permanent military base there why because of the way it will cause the natural gas people say afghanistan don't make any sense will look just good north of afghanistan ok going to start up as a more hands as natural gas into the ministry and worth more than all the oil in iraq the only problem.